Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

I'm not saying I hate it!

...Just thought I'd clear that up.

Of course. Didn't mean to tie people who didn't hate it into my post.

It's not as all surprising that the guy with the Meowth avatar would tonedeafly support more Gen 1 representation over everything else.

He has a bias people, just accept it and move on.

He's the same bloke who went into one thread of people wishing for female alts for Hero and just said "deal with it" until the thread shut down because of it.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Gen 4 is the best Gen. Because that's the gen where they gave a bunch of old Pokemon new, super-rad evolutions.

And permanent ones too. None of this Mega Evolution/Gigantamax bull****.

And Honchkrow is the best Pokemon, period.

 

[WaddleKing]

I mean Gardevoir is my favourite Pokemon of all time, and I still think Meowth is more deserving to join. I don't care for Eevee at all and I think it's the most deserving Pokemon to join alongside Meowth and more than Gardevoir.
Preference and beliefs don't immeditately mean bias.

I don't believe for a second Meowth is less popular than the likes of Muk or Magnemite either as well, especially when I can find recent Meowth posts on Twitter coming up nearly every minute with the latest ones being about 25 minutes ago scrolled all the way down in one page, while the last Magnemite post was about 4 hours ago in one page.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Gen 4 is the best Gen. Because that's the gen where they gave a bunch of old Pokemon new, super-rad evolutions.

And permanent ones too. None of this Mega Evolution/Gigantamax bull****.

And Honchkrow is the best Pokemon, period.

We got my boy Gliscor and I love him immenselt.

 

[Deleted member]

Gen 4 is the best Gen. Because that's the gen where they gave a bunch of old Pokemon new, super-rad evolutions.

And permanent ones too. None of this Mega Evolution/Gigantamax bull****.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. The best way for Pokemon to pay respect to the older generations is to take old Pokemon and expand upon them to be ****ing rad.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

One of the reasons gen 1 does so well is how simple the designs are, they aren't complex like later gens are (look at Incineroar for example) but are good enough to look awesome like Charizard or the Eeveelutions.

That is a good point. Generation 1 Pokémon are pretty good introductions to what Pokémon are. If you were to show a kid something like Kyurem or something they'd be more likely to be confused. I mean, give it a different artstyle and you could pass it off as a random RPG boss to non Pokémon fans.

The people who buy Pokemon games aren't real fans they only care about gen 1 and don't care about anything else, they only care about Pikachu and Charizard, hence why Leon has a Charizard as his main instead of a Gen 8 mon.

Well I wouldn't say that, but they are definitely more casual. They like the gameplay loop and have fun catching the dice bug and the red pupper and the pink panda, etc.

Gen 4 is the best Gen. Because that's the gen where they gave a bunch of old Pokemon new, super-rad evolutions.

And permanent ones too. None of this Mega Evolution/Gigantamax bull****.

And Honchkrow is the best Pokemon, period.

I like gen 5 because Pokémon Black 2 was my first Pokémon game and it has the most of my the Pokémon I liked. Gen 4 is a close second though.

Also, I think Mega Evolutions were great until they became flavor of the month. I don't have much of a reason to care about Gigantamax because I know it's just going to not exist anymore so it's not special. Also I find the entire Dynamax gimmick to just force me to bench a super effective Pokémon until the opponent's last Pokémon comes out hope it doesn't have type coverage (why the heck would you teach your Charizard Grass Knot?) but that's neither here nor there.

 

[KillerCage]

For curiosity sake, I looked up Senran Kagura and I hate it already.

Thanks Gwen. You brought this upon me.

that is the the grossest and creepiest **** I have ever seen. W H Y is there a little girl there

There was a reason why the Senran Kagura series was banned on Twitch for a time.

 

[Proceleon]

But you see, none of this disproves my point. Only 4 spirits, none of them were the Starter Evolutions (which are the ones that are actually made into characters), and even then we can still get gym leaders and the rivals for spirits.

We don't need to put a distinction between DLC and base game here. If Nintendo and Sakurai want Gen 8, they'll put it in and wont give any crap about some minimal-effort spirit event blocking off potential content. In no circumstance ever did we get a character because Nintendo wanted to advertise DLC of all things.

Tl;dr It's Gen 8 or nothing when it comes to Pokemon DLC newcomers.

And yet you do not disprove my point about about Three Houses. Look, there's undoubtedly a pattern here with the way Spirits are being handled and it's not something I'm going to ignore. Besides, why would we get a Rival or Gym Leader? Point is Spirits are being handled with the utmost care here so I have reason to believe there's a method to it.

One of the reasons gen 1 does so well is how simple the designs are, they aren't complex like later gens are (look at Incineroar for example) but are good enough to look awesome like Charizard or the Eeveelutions.

That said it doesn't explain why nobody ever brings up gen 2 which has the same kind of designs to it.


^You know like those guys up there.^

You really think Incineroar's design is complex? Might I refer you to Gen 5?
And no one brings up Gen 2 because the majority of them are babies, i.e. useless and forgettable.

 

[Deleted member]

And yet you do not disprove my point about about Three Houses. Look, there's undoubtedly a pattern here with the way Spirits are being handled and it's not something I'm going to ignore. Besides, why would we get a Rival or Gym Leader? Point is Spirits are being handled with the utmost care here so I have reason to believe there's a method to it.

Fair enough. I'll agree to disagree for now.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. The best way for Pokemon to pay respect to the older generations is to take old Pokemon and expand upon them to be ****ing rad.

It's also why I hate Regional Forms. I don't like any new form/evolution that doesn't come with it's own name and Pokedex number. Regional Forms are, in every way, totally new Pokemon. They have different types, moves, stats, but because nostalgia, we named them after old Pokemon.

Pokemon like Alolan Raichu and Alolan Exeggutor should have just been new evolutions. Pokemon like Alolan Sandslash and Alolan Vulpix should have been divergent evolutions(like Polywrath-Polytoad).

And of course, all the Mega Evolutions should have just been new regular-ass evolutions. Make that Mega Charizard Y into Charvern, and Mega Charizard X into Charagon and give them their own Pokedex numbers dammit!

 

[Schnee117]

Gen 4 is the best Gen. Because that's the gen where they gave a bunch of old Pokemon new, super-rad evolutions.

And it was a decent spread over the prior generations too.
Gen 1 got a fair amount, Gen 2 got a fair amount and so did Gen 3.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. The best way for Pokemon to pay respect to the older generations is to take old Pokemon and expand upon them to be ****ing rad.

I'm glad Gen 8 went back to doing this, even if it's a lot more limited.
Obstagoon is pretty ****ing cool.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

There was a reason why the Senran Kagura series was banned on Twitch for a time.

Curious as to why they unbanned it... I think you can skip the risqué bits with a button press so maybe that’s it

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

And no one brings up Gen 2 because the majority of them are babies, i.e. useless and forgettable.

OBJECTION!!!

Furret, Crobat, Ampharos, Marill, Azumarill, Sudowoodo, Espeon, Umbreon, Wobbuffet, Scizor, Heracross, Scarmory, Smeargle, Raikou, Entai, Suicune, and Tyranitar are all memorable Pokémon of varying degrees of usefulness.

 

[Deleted member]

It's also why I hate Regional Forms. I don't like any new form/evolution that doesn't come with it's own name and Pokedex number. Regional Forms are, in every way, totally new Pokemon. They have different types, moves, stats, but because nostalgia, we named them after old Pokemon.

Pokemon like Alolan Raichu and Alolan Exeggutor should have just been new evoltions. Pokemon like Alolan Sandslash and Alolan Vulpix should have been divergent evoltions(like Polywrath-Polytoad).

And of course, all the Mega Evolutions should have just been new regular-ass evolutions.

My greatest critique with regional forms is that I'll never be able to get them in another game unless I trade. Feels like a cheap way to make your generation more unique. Sir Fetch'd is badass, but you're telling me it's exclusive only to Galar? Get outta here with that.

And yeah. Megaevolutions look badass most of the time. Gen 6 should have just introduced 4th tier evolutions. That would revolutionize the entire series alone and give X & Y something more original than just... roller skates.

 

[DarthEnderX]

My greatest critique with regional forms is that I'll never be able to get them in another game unless I trade. Feels like a cheap way to make your generation more unique. Sir Fetch'd is badass, but you're telling me it's exclusive only to Galar? Get outta here with that.

I mean, that's not really a problem for me, since I have a Living National Dex. But I sympathize.

My Pokemon Home is:
30 Boxes of Living National Dex
1 Box of Alolan Forms
1 Box of Galarian Forms
2 Boxes of Mains from my various playthroughs
2 Boxes of spare Legendaries
1 Box of Dittos of different Natures(now kinda obsolete with the introduction of Mints)

 

[Proceleon]

OBJECTION!!!

Furret, Crobat, Ampharos, Marill, Azumarill, Sudowoodo, Espeon, Umbreon, Wobbuffet, Scizor, Heracross, Scarmory, Smeargle, Raikou, Entai, Suicune, and Tyranitar are all memorable Pokémon of varying degrees of usefulness.

Out of those 17, about 6 would make good Smash Fighters.

 

[Curious Villager]

Aside from gen 1 oversaturation, you know what's also oversaturated as far as pokemon characters go?
Starter pokemon and Humanoid/Anthromons.

Can we get some more variety on that front as well please? No? Oh well I tried.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[DarthEnderX]

Aside from gen 1 oversaturation, you know what's also oversaturated as far as pokemon characters go?
Starter pokemon

There shouldn't be more than 3 Starters in Smash, and they should all have been different types. Pokemon Trainer was a mistake.

and Humanoid/Anthromons.

Nah. Anthromons just make the best fighters.

 

[Proceleon]

Aside from gen 1 oversaturation, you know what's also oversaturated as far as pokemon characters go?
Starter pokemon and Humanoid/Anthromons.

Can we get some more variety on that front as well please? No? Oh well I tried....

I mean I could go for a Sylveon.

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

And yet you do not disprove my point about about Three Houses. Look, there's undoubtedly a pattern here with the way Spirits are being handled and it's not something I'm going to ignore. Besides, why would we get a Rival or Gym Leader? Point is Spirits are being handled with the utmost care here so I have reason to believe there's a method to it.

I kinda disagree with the bolded. Otherwise I wouldn't be having half of the issues I have with Spirits in and not in the game.

Besides, Smash has contradicted its own rules all the time. We know nothing of the scope of Pass 2 and for all we know, it could be nothing BUT spirit upgrades... I don't really want this, but it is a possibility.

 

[N3ON]

Some of you don't seem to realize that if you just swap out a few key words regarding Gen 1 vs. other Gens in you guys are voicing the exact arguments you decry when people use the very same rhetoric for FE vs. other series.

I mean, it's all there: "we'd like more variety", "it's oversaturated", "people don't hate it, but they're tired of getting the same thing", "it's successful but so are other options", "if you disagree you're biased".

So I guess the response in kind is to call you haters? Either that or to restate how "but Gen 1 is good". I could mention "but Gen 1 has unique/popular characters!" as if the others don't as well. Or I guess I could just make some "drinking tears" jokes. A bit reductionist, as obviously the other side makes valid points, but it's what seems to be accepted in the other example.

Frankly I think it'd be nice if they just decided Pokemon based on popularity. There is a pretty even spread across Gens when it comes to fan-favourites. At least of the remaining candidates.

 

[Firox]

It's also why I hate Regional Forms. I don't like any new form/evolution that doesn't come with it's own name and Pokedex number. Regional Forms are, in every way, totally new Pokemon. They have different types, moves, stats, but because nostalgia, we named them after old Pokemon.

Pokemon like Alolan Raichu and Alolan Exeggutor should have just been new evolutions. Pokemon like Alolan Sandslash and Alolan Vulpix should have been divergent evolutions(like Polywrath-Polytoad).

And of course, all the Mega Evolutions should have just been new regular-ass evolutions. Make that Mega Charizard Y into Charvern, and Mega Charizard X into Charagon and give them their own Pokedex numbers dammit!

That's a good point, why confine pokemon to only three evolutionary forms? Why not make Megas into a permanent fourth form? Also, I agree, regional pokemon will only make this new "cutting culture" that much worse. Why invest anything in a pokemon you know can never leave that region? Or at least with little guarantee that it will?

 

[Guynamednelson]

I think what Sakurai is doing now works best. Focus mostly on the latest Gens for every new Smash game and add a few small things for the Gens already represented, like how we got Abra and Scizor as Pokeball Pokemon.

I know this sounds like more Incineroar salt, but when Pokemon got multiple newcomers per gen, they appealed to multiple audiences each. It's kind of selfish to want them to only appeal to one, don't you think?

 

[DarthEnderX]

That's a good point, why confine pokemon to only three evolutionary forms? Why not make Megas into a permanent fourth form?

I mean, devil's advocate, I guess it's a balance issue. As a lot of the Pokemon that got Mega Evoltutions were already strong, and giving them a 4th evolution with even higher stats could be game breaking.

But if that's the case, I'd be totally okay with lowering the stats of the earlier evolutions so that the 4th evolution doesn't become so OP.

 

[Proceleon]

Some of you don't seem to realize that if you just swap out a few key words regarding Gen 1 vs. other Gens in you guys are voicing the exact arguments you decry when people use the very same rhetoric for FE vs. other series.

I mean, it's all there: "we'd like more variety", "it's oversaturated", "people don't hate it, but they're tired of getting the same thing", "it's successful but so are other options", "if you disagree you're biased".

So I guess the response in kind is to call you haters? Either that or to restate how "but Gen 1 is good". I could mention "but Gen 1 has unique/popular characters!" as if the others don't as well. Or I guess I could just make some "drinking tears" jokes. A bit reductionist, as obviously the other side makes valid points, but it's what seems to be accepted in the other example.

Frankly I think it'd be nice if they just decided Pokemon based on popularity. There is a pretty even spread across Gens when it comes to fan-favourites. At least of the remaining candidates.

I don't see your point. I don't think anyone's saying Gen 1 doesn't have unique options or that it's bad. People just notice when a roster has a lot of the same. We said the same thing when we noticed all the StarFox crew had the same moves... which they still do!

 

[Hadokeyblade]

And here I am sad that Gen3 will never get proper representation on smash. Even the Rayquaza boss battle was removed.

My beloved Hoenn always gets the shortest end of the stick.

 

[DarthEnderX]

People just notice when a roster has a lot of the same. We said the same thing when we noticed all the StarFox crew had the same moves... which they still do!

They really need to give Falco the sniper rifle and Wolf the machine gun from StarFox Assault to differentiate them more from Fox.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

My greatest critique with regional forms is that I'll never be able to get them in another game unless I trade. Feels like a cheap way to make your generation more unique. Sir Fetch'd is badass, but you're telling me it's exclusive only to Galar? Get outta here with that.

They should reintroduce the tourist trainer class, and have them trade or gift you their regional variant after you beat them.

Out of those 17, about 6 would make good Smash Fighters.

That's ok. We don't need 6 Gen 2 Pokémon in Smash anyways.

They really need to give Falco the sniper rifle and Wolf the machine gun from StarFox Assault to differentiate them more from Fox.

Then Falco becomes SSF2 Crystal. lol

Giving Wolf a machine gun would make him more like Fox though.

 

[Mamboo07]

And here I am sad that Gen3 will never get proper representation on smash. Even the Rayquaza boss battle was removed.

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My beloved Hoenn always gets the shortest end of the stick.

I really want Rayquaza for Smash to rep Gen 3. (A serpent character would be unquie and awesome.)

 

[Proceleon]

That's ok. We don't need 6 Gen 2 Pokémon in Smash anyways.

I'd have either Feraligatr or Miltank.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I really want Rayquaza for Smash to rep Gen 3. (A serpent character would be unquie and awesome.)

*Imagines Rayquaza being the size of Ridley*

I'd have either Feraligatr or Miltank.

Feraligatr's cool. It'd be neat if it drew inspiration from its Pokédex entries and played nothing like a heavy (or at least more like Bowser). Miltank I'll allow under the condition that we don't get the cursed image of it using Milk Drink on itself...

 

[Proceleon]

*Miltank I'll allow under the condition that we don't get the cursed image of it using Milk Drink on itself...

Miltank's easy.
Attract as a stunning Neutral special.
Rollout as a Side.
Stomp working like Dedede's Up.
Milk Drink pulling out Moomoo Milk for a healing down.
Done.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Rollout as a Side

Okay, Whitney.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

All this Pokemon talk has finally got me thinking of a decent game.

If there was a fighters pass that had six Pokemon, who would you want them to be?

1. Decidueye
2. Salamence
3. Swampert
4. Bisharp
5. Gliscor
6. Darmanitan

 

[ARandomFruit]

I kinda wish we'd gotten victini or marshadow as fighters, mostly because of bias because they are some of my favorites but any mythical pokemon would be neat honestly.

 

[Goombaic]

Just gonna bring that back for a bit since we're on Pokemon again. More non Gen 1 reps would probably be the best to many people, but Gengar and Snorlax would be sick fighters regardless.

If there was a fighters pass that had six Pokemon, who would you want them to be?

The top 6. Maybe swap Deoxys with Zygarde and Scizor with Golisopod to even out generation representation.

 

[Guynamednelson]

All this Pokemon talk has finally got me thinking of a decent game.

If there was a fighters pass that had six Pokemon, who would you want them to be?

1. Decidueye
2. Salamence
3. Swampert
4. Bisharp
5. Gliscor
6. Darmanitan

1. Eevee
2. Blaziken
3. Dewott
4. Mimikyu
5. Dusk Lycanroc
6. Sirfetch'd

 

[Arcadenik]

It's not as all surprising that the guy with the Meowth avatar would tonedeafly support more Gen 1 representation over everything else.

He has a bias people, just accept it and move on.

Oh yes. Just because I specifically want Meowth means I support more Gen 1 representation over everything. Well, I have to be on the “more Gen 1 representation” side because people unfairly hold the “Gen 1” label against Meowth.

I don’t want any other Gen 1 Pokémon just because they are Gen 1 Pokémon. If I want a Pokémon that happens to be a Gen 1 Pokémon, it is because I like that specific Pokémon and I think that specific Pokémon would be fun to play in Smash.


I really don’t care about if there are more or less Gen 1 representation in Smash. After all, a Pokémon is a Pokémon regardless of which generation it is from.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Some of you don't seem to realize that if you just swap out a few key words regarding Gen 1 vs. other Gens in you guys are voicing the exact arguments you decry when people use the very same rhetoric for FE vs. other series.

I mean, it's all there: "we'd like more variety", "it's oversaturated", "people don't hate it, but they're tired of getting the same thing", "it's successful but so are other options", "if you disagree you're biased".

So I guess the response in kind is to call you haters? Either that or to restate how "but Gen 1 is good". I could mention "but Gen 1 has unique/popular characters!" as if the others don't as well. Or I guess I could just make some "drinking tears" jokes. A bit reductionist, as obviously the other side makes valid points, but it's what seems to be accepted in the other example.

Frankly I think it'd be nice if they just decided Pokemon based on popularity. There is a pretty even spread across Gens when it comes to fan-favourites. At least of the remaining candidates.

Eh, call me biased but I'd say this is more comparable to the criticism of Awakening getting 3 characters when other installments only got 1, the criticism is that one installment of a franchise gets a significantly larger slice of the pie when compared to the rest, the rest in this case being the other Pokemon/FE games

 

[Mamboo07]

All this Pokemon talk has finally got me thinking of a decent game.

If there was a fighters pass that had six Pokemon, who would you want them to be?

1. Decidueye
2. Salamence
3. Swampert
4. Bisharp
5. Gliscor
6. Darmanitan

1. Rayquaza
2. Chandelure
3. Toxtricity
4. Heracross
5. Guzzlord
6. Zacian/Zamazenta