Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[GillyGrime]

I don't think we'll get five third parties people talk the most about. I'm 90% sure Nintendo will add three or four relatively nicher characters and Sakurai will be like:

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I would argue that Rayman and Master Chief, while popular, are nowhere near the most talked about 3rd parties. Doom is way more speculated than Halo and Rayman is considered too much of a "literal who" for Japan, so if anything Sakurai could educate Japanese gamers on Rayman should he become a character.

I'd argue Ninja Gaiden, Doom, Kingdom Hearts and hell even Shantae are more popular than those two picks.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I have a really bizarre feeling that since Sakurai said these were “extra” characters, it’ll mostly be characters that aren’t particularly highly requested, and most likely more first than third parties too

I don’t know how you drew this conclusion.

He clearly was referring to them being more than originally intended, AKA bonus characters.

 

[pinshadow]

I have a really bizarre feeling that since Sakurai said these were “extra” characters, it’ll mostly be characters that aren’t particularly highly requested, and most likely more first than third parties too

Why?

I don't see Nintendo suddenly saying "ok, we're going to do more DLC, but theres probably going to be less people interested than the first time around because the game is a bit older, so we are going to pick characters that aren't very exciting or news worthy and won't get people interested in the game again?"

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Why?

I don't see Nintendo suddenly saying "ok, we're going to do more DLC, but theres probably going to be less people interested than the first time around because the game is a bit older, so we are going to pick characters that aren't very exciting or news worthy and won't get people interested in the game again?"

“Not particularly highly requested” as in no HUGE BIG NAMES like Dante or Master Chief, but you know the phrase “one man’s trash is another’s treasure”

or in this case, what may be “meh” to some are “HELL YEAH” to much more people

if Crash really is in the pass he’d be the sole BIG NAME probably, rest are characters with a slightly smaller but more dedicated following

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Things that I think probably deconfirm characters:

* Not being the posterchild of at least one game (Doesn't have to be the main protag, like Nightmare for Soul Calibur or Geno for SMRPG).

* Having a spirits/mii costumes from their game added as post-launch spirits (For example RE, Pokemon Sw/Sh, etc.).
- To a lesser extent, being a base-game Spirit, Mii costume, or AT.

* Being an indie character (looking like those are gonna be 'deluxe' Mii's at this point).

* Being partially owned/associated with Disney.

* Not being a video game character.

* Not being for good boys and girls

That's pretty much my list of doubt criteria. Anything you guys think deconfirms?

 

[Lamperouge]

“Not particularly highly requested” as in no HUGE BIG NAMES like Dante or Master Chief, but you know the phrase “one man’s trash is another’s treasure”

or in this case, what may be “meh” to some are “HELL YEAH” to much more people

if Crash really is in the pass he’d be the sole BIG NAME probably, rest are characters with a slightly smaller but more dedicated following

So more third parties like Joker and Terry, then?

 

[HansShotFirst20]

So more third parties like Joker and Terry, then?

I'd argue Joker was pretty big.

That said, the 'big' characters of this pass will probably the FP6 and whichever 2 are revealed at E3 2020 and 2021.

Biggest names that are likely are probably Crash and Dante, smaller characters I can see getting picked are Geno and Heihachi

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Things that I think probably deconfirm characters:

* Not being the posterchild of at least one game (Doesn't have to be the main protag, like Nightmare for Soul Calibur or Geno for SMRPG).

* Having a spirits/mii costumes from their game added as post-launch spirits (For example RE, Pokemon Sw/Sh, etc.).
- To a lesser extent, being a base-game Spirit, Mii costume, or AT.

* Being an indie character (looking like those are gonna be 'deluxe' Mii's at this point).

* Being partially owned/associated with Disney.

* Not being a video game character.

* Not being for good boys and girls

That's pretty much my list of doubt criteria. Anything you guys think deconfirms?

A lot of this is subjective, and some of it’s very pointed. Truth is no one knows. It’s all just conjecture, wishful thinking, and tinfoil hat fan speculation.

 

[Garteam]

To be fair, last pass we only got one REALLY big name: . Relative to other franchises in Smash, Persona, Fatal Fury, and Banjo-Kazooie are relatively niche.

I'm expecting this to be the case of Fighter's Pass 2. There'll be 2 big characters at most, with the rest being requested or recent Nintendo characters and smaller third parties. My bet's on Crash and Heihachi personally, but there's numerous characters who could fill this out.

 

[Schnee117]

I don't know if I'd want that, because there's the chance that Harada would pull a Negan.

This fanbase needs a Negan tbh
But it'd also mean we pay extra DLC for basic features like Framedata.

 

[Krankees]

“Not particularly highly requested” as in no HUGE BIG NAMES like Dante or Master Chief, but you know the phrase “one man’s trash is another’s treasure”

or in this case, what may be “meh” to some are “HELL YEAH” to much more people

if Crash really is in the pass he’d be the sole BIG NAME probably, rest are characters with a slightly smaller but more dedicated following

I'm not really sure if this is the case but I'm gonna say it anyway.

Spoiler

This is how Phoenix Wright can win.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I'd argue Joker was pretty big.

That said, the 'big' characters of this pass will probably the FP6 and whichever 2 are revealed at E3 2020 and 2021.

Biggest names that are likely are probably Crash and Dante, smaller characters I can see getting picked are Geno and Heihachi

>Imagine unironically saying Heihachi/Tekken is as small as Geno

Quite the echo chamber this place is, huh.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm not really sure if this is the case but I'm gonna say it anyway.

Spoiler

This is how Phoenix Wright can win.

Holy ****! Yes!

Spoiler

Also helps too he's an "honorary" Nintendo character.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

>Imagine unironically saying Heihachi/Tekken is as small as Geno

Quite the echo chamber this place is, huh.

Welcome to SmashBoards. Where nothing anyone says matters, but they sure think it does.

 

[TheCJBrine]

“Really extra” could also be interpreted as “extra characters to please the fans including big names” if we don’t just treat it as saying the characters originally weren’t going to happen.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

“Not particularly highly requested” as in no HUGE BIG NAMES like Dante or Master Chief, but you know the phrase “one man’s trash is another’s treasure”

or in this case, what may be “meh” to some are “HELL YEAH” to much more people

if Crash really is in the pass he’d be the sole BIG NAME probably, rest are characters with a slightly smaller but more dedicated following

Just say you are reaching for Neku and KOS-MOS.

There is literally no reason to think why “extra” would mean anything other than “bonus content” unless you are intentionally trying to draw a conclusion that isn’t there.

 

[pinshadow]

I feel like we all have a different idea of what a small or big character actually is. Like obviously some characters are bigger like Master Chief or Crash, some characters are smaller like Geno or Travis, but I see people saying HEIHACHI, from LITERALLY THE BEST SELLING FIGHTING GAME SERIES IN THE WORLD (or atleast was, Mortal Kombat might have beaten it now) is somehow niche.

 

[Garteam]

I'm not really sure if this is the case but I'm gonna say it anyway.

Spoiler

This is how Phoenix Wright can win.

Phoenix actually fits this descriptive extremely well. He's not a massive character by any means, but he's big enough and is a huge crowd pleaser. Plus, he would come with an extremely unique moveset.

On the inevitable Courtroom stage, I want the gallery to start rabbling amongst themselves whenever a KO happens, only for the Judge to slam his gavel down and call order in the court.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I feel like we all have a different idea of what a small or big character actually is. Like obviously some characters are bigger like Master Chief or Crash, some characters are smaller like Geno or Travis, but I see people saying HEIHACHI, from LITERALLY THE BEST SELLING FIGHTING GAME SERIES IN THE WORLD (or atleast was, Mortal Kombat might have beaten it now) is somehow niche.

Speaking of Mortal Kombat has anyone shared this?

https://www.shacknews.com/article/116358/ed-boon-talks-mortal-kombat-11-smash-ultimate-dlc-more

Not saying Scorpion's guarantee or anything but figured I'd share. Heihachi I think is far more likely.

 

[osby]

I'd argue Joker was pretty big.

That said, the 'big' characters of this pass will probably the FP6 and whichever 2 are revealed at E3 2020 and 2021.

Biggest names that are likely are probably Crash and Dante, smaller characters I can see getting picked are Geno and Heihachi

Hey, Dante fan here, in which universe Devil May Cry is bigger than Tekken?

 

[DarthEnderX]

I've no doubt some of the choices will blow the socks off of some fanbases.

I'll even go out on a limb and say that six very specific fanbases will have their socks blown off.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I don't get why people are trying to find hints about the "extra characters" quote. It literally means that there's more characters coming and that's it. I don't see how that hints toward more first party or more niche characters.

 

[I.D.]

There is literally no reason to think why “extra” would mean anything other than “bonus content” unless you are intentionally trying to draw a conclusion that isn’t there.

Well why the **** did you ask then, nobody even tried to ascribe a hidden meaning to that line until you brought it up

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm not really sure if this is the case but I'm gonna say it anyway.

Spoiler

This is how Phoenix Wright can win.

Don’t forget

Spoiler

Neku!

 

[pinshadow]

Well why the **** did you ask then, nobody even tried to ascribe a hidden meaning to that line until you brought it up

What are you even talking about? Are you even following the conversation?

I have a really bizarre feeling that since Sakurai said these were “extra” characters, it’ll mostly be characters that aren’t particularly highly requested, and most likely more first than third parties too

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't get why people are trying to find hints about the "extra characters" quote. It literally means that there's more characters coming and that's it. I don't see how that hints toward more first party or more niche characters.

Never underestimate how goddamn desperate some people in this fandom can be, remember, people always make conspiracy theories here

 

[I.D.]

What are you even talking about? Are you even following the conversation?

What does everyone here think Sakurai meant by the characters being “really extra”?

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I don't get why people are trying to find hints about the "extra characters" quote. It literally means that there's more characters coming and that's it. I don't see how that hints toward more first party or more niche characters.

Well people just need to find out how to level their expectations by finding out what Sakurai means.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Never underestimate how goddamn desperate some people in this fandom can be, remember, people always make conspiracy theories here

Well, desperation is subjective.
Specifically, it's people who want characters you don't care about who are desperate, and people who want characters you do care about who are reasonable. (Saying this in a general sense, not "you" in particular).

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I.D. The straw grasping post came after everyone had cleared it up to me already.

 

[BernkastelWitch]

A lot of this is subjective, and some of it’s very pointed. Truth is no one knows. It’s all just conjecture, wishful thinking, and tinfoil hat fan speculation.

Some of those listed there are ones that can be easily dispelled. And really, after a ton of previous fan rules being broken, I won't be surprised if more of those fan rules get broken. We had a lot of rules broekn already last DLC cycle.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I can only just imagine the ****show this will be once we get to the 6th and final DLC character...The entire fandom biting at each others necks...

 

[Nemuresu]

Being extra doesn't mean jack **** as far as these guys are concerned. Remember back when Sakurai said that 4's DLC characters would be fanservice and the we got Corrin? His perception of stuff like that is different from what fans may think.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Well why the **** did you ask then, nobody even tried to ascribe a hidden meaning to that line until you brought it up

Right? He was basically like, "Everyone, tell me what you think this means, cause I got a whole stack of "**** you, idiot!" responses ready to use."

 

[Lyncario]

smaller characters I can see getting picked are Geno and Heihachi

I'm impressed that a train of though leading to Heihachi benig a small character, much less on the level of Geno, can exist.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Heihachi small? As much as Geno?

Since when? I thought Tekken was up there with Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter as the most iconic fighting games.

 

[JudgeHeihachi]

I'd argue Joker was pretty big.

That said, the 'big' characters of this pass will probably the FP6 and whichever 2 are revealed at E3 2020 and 2021.

Biggest names that are likely are probably Crash and Dante, smaller characters I can see getting picked are Geno and Heihachi

"Smaller"? Last time I checked Tekken sold 49 million copies while Devil May Cry only sold 21 million copies. Putting Heihachi on the same scale as Geno and calling him small is not genuine.
But kudos to you for chosing him as the Namco rep and not the literal who named Lloyd like some deluded Tales fanboys often do (heavily overestimating their niche series).

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Some of those listed there are ones that can be easily dispelled. And really, after a ton of previous fan rules being broken, I won't be surprised if more of those fan rules get broken. We had a lot of rules broekn already last DLC cycle.

That’s what I’m trying to get at.

 

[SKX31]

How would they even make a Rayman Mii Costume though? If anything I think the Ubisoft costumes coming in a random pack and not with a Ubisoft character is like the opposite of a huge sign, it feels like a death sentence.

A couple points:

While it seems really unlikely - what with Altair's trailer having AC2's main theme over it - I'm personally not going to call that a death sentence. Partly out of principle - "death sentence" feels weird to say when a game series gets any reps, especially one that was never seen as likely. I'd never call a Dota 2 Mii Costume a death sentence, even if it means one of my favorite games gets deconfirmed. And Dota 2's really out of the radar. Nor would I call Lloyd's Mii Costume a death sentence despite him being waaay more likely in peoples' eyes. Sure, it ain't what a lot of people here want - but even if we assume 6 fan favorites it's gonna be some tough competition and some fan favorites that wind up not playable. Mii Costumes are better than being left out completely. I'm also personally the "never say die" kind, but that's another thing entirely.

If we want to be technical Mii Costumes are not included in the Challenger Packs per se, and they can be separate negotiations from the CPs (Sans / Cuphead etc). It's also not a death sentence for the company since Ubisoft still has characters like Prince of Persia - AC's potential inspiration. Now that's a major dark horse.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Right? He was basically like, "Everyone, tell me what you think this means, cause I got a whole stack of "**** you, idiot!" responses ready to use."

The person I responded to didn’t even directly reply to my post, lol.