I would put Ace Attorney above fate because having ace attorney in smash would serve to promote future ace attorney games. Has fate ever been on a nintendo platform? Not that its a factor but if nintendo is choosing i am not sure what business purpose fate would serve.
Aside from that i think fate is too ecchi.
Fate/Extella & Fate/Extella Link are both on Nintendo Switch in Japan and the West..doesn't quite matter though considering we got Cloud & Joker, the former only having relatively minor appearances on Nintendo consoles prior to Switch and the latter of which had no appearances on Switch outside of a colour reference for Yu in BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle before his announcement (and now only 2 spin-off titles on Nintendo, one on 3DS & 1 coming to Switch) with costumes in Sonic Forces and Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, the latter of which only came out recently.
Fate is a massive success in Japan, far more than Ace Attorney to be honest (don't get me wrong, I love both).
For example, the most Tweeted about Video Game worldwide for 2019 was Fate/Grand Order, beating out the 2nd Place game, Fortnite, and the 3rd Place game, the Final Fantasy series (likely mostly due to Final Fantasy VII Remake).
https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tec...er-was-2019039s-most-tweeted-about-video-game
They also have huge events for the series..Fate is BIG in Japan and still very popular worldwide.
Legit the only reason we haven't got the original Graphic Novel (or, more specifically, the censored Réalta Nua release that has replaced it) is due to the game having more words than The Lord of the Rings, making it a massive undertaking to localize for a not-so-popular genre in the West. We got the anime adaptions though, so its not like the story is foreign to Western fans. We've also got most of the Fates media localized in the West.
Fate would serve a similar business purpose to Joker from Persona 5. Its a popular series and could bring a lot of its massive fanbase not only to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate but the Nintendo Switch in general, which could then get them interested in other series included in the game as well, which is often the case when it comes to Smash..just look what it did for EarthBound and especially Fire Emblem.
Fate, in its current incarnation, is honestly not that much more ecchi than Fire Emblem (especially Fire Emblem Heroes, which I feel may have been inspired by Fate/Grand Order due to a lot of similar elements, particularly those not part of the main FE series) or Bayonetta. Only the original release of the Visual Novel was an Eroge and subsequent releases of it on PS2, PS Vita, and PC have been the censored Réalta Nua version.
Beyond that, Saber would be the character included and she's likely the tamest female character the series has to offer, being fully covered in a long gown and armor. Even her figure is extremely tame, being small chested and not particularly curvy.
Yeah, you got one fan requested character out of the five newcomers. Vol 2 is TOTALLY going to be different, just look at how they end the entire thing with Byleth. It really shows that they listen and are fully in touch with what the fans want.
You're disingenuous at worst or ignorant at best. Dragon Quest, being a massive success in Japan, has always been a heavily requested franchise in Japan and various parts of the West similarly to how Banjo-Kazooie was more requested in the West in Japan, so we got 2 heavy requested characters, not 1.
Beyond that, Joker was too new and seemed too unlikely to many to really be heavily requested, but to act like Joker wasn't an incredibly popular addition is just false. Terry was also very popular in Latin America and other places.
Even Byleth, or Three Houses in particular, was a popular choice, even if not the most popular choice amongst fans.
Beyond that, not all DLC characters are meant to be for fans of Super Smash Bros, some of them, such as Joker, are meant to bring in fans from other series who may give Super Smash Bros. a look-see if a character from their beloved series was included.
Fate has a couple of games on Switch. The original VN is on Switch I think but only in Japan, Extella and Extella Link are on there, and that weird cooking spin-off we're getting.
And honestly, Artoria/Sabers design is one of the tamest for females in the game and she is the one everyone would expect to get in if we somehow got a Fate rep. I imagine Spirits would be a different issue since I can see characters like Tamamo, Nero, Jack, Abigail, maybe Mordred not even getting spirits or a cameo at all despite them being popular but the vast selection of Servants are enough to make that a non-issue.
For all we know they could just stick with the Stay Night cast.
Just my two cents on the whole Fate/Smash thing.
Honestly, they could easily censor ones like Nero, who I expect would be the only Fate/Extra series character. I could see Saber Lily, who's also fairly tame, and Mordred would likely be full armored minus helmet rather than her unarmored appearance. The rest would likely be only Fate/stay night characters, like Shirou Emiya, Rin Tohsaka, Archer, Illyasviel von Einzbern, Berserker, Lancer, Gilgamesh, Sakura Matou, and possibly a slightly censored Rider...though considering Mai Shiranui wasn't even given a Spirit despite popularity, I could also see Rider not being used.
Not really interested unless she gets her whipsword or has a ton of wind moves.
I actually edited her Fate/Grand Order Stage 2 artwork to include her Stage 1 artwork's Wind Blade for the alts I included in it honestly and considering how she plays in Fate/Unlimited Codes, Fate/Extella, and Nitroplus Blasterz along with Sakurai preferring something new with characters, especially sword fighters, I definitely think that Sakurai would choose the 'invisible wind blade' with Excalibur appearing in her Final Smash. For her Saber Alter alt, she'd probably just have the wind effects visually made purple 'darkness waves' while the sword is visible since it wouldn't alter her hitboxes or anything.
I wanted Byleth.
I did too..and considering that the Reveal Stream has more likes than dislikes, we're not alone.
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is an option, it's relevant again and has no content in Smash.
Sadly, with how generic most Pokémon content has been (just look at the Spirits) and lack of any content not from the main games, aside from the Pokémon Snap vehicle in Melee, I'm willing to believe that the Pokémon Company wants to keep to just the main series in Smash for some reason.
While this may be true as of now, Sakurai said that Smash is a celebration of gaming not just Japanese games.
Over the past year there’s been an increase of Western content in Smash. We got our first truly western character (Banjo), we got Assassin’s Creed & Rabbids as Mii costume & we got the introduction of Premium Mii Costumes that have solely been western characters so far. Even though a Japanese character like Mega Man X would’ve been perfect for a Premium costume.
Actually, I think I remember Sakurai mentioning he saw Smash Bros. as a Celebration of Japanese Gaming, but that could easily have changed or the Western stuff could be outliers.
That said, Sakurai, being Japanese and living in Japan, would likely, consciously or not, still focus on Japanese things. It doesn't help that Sakurai prefers talking with the character's creator or series head before including them to make sure they are accurately represented and any changes are acceptable.
