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wynn728

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It shows that they are in touch with fans out of hardcore Westerns Smash fans, too. Honestly, people's definition of "fan requests" are so close-minded that it's no surprise they are never satisfied.

A lot of fans were asking for a Three Houses/Dragon Quest character. You don't get to ignore them and whine about how Nintendo never listens to their fans.
Guess what, they put in Byleth before Three Houses was even released, and around the time it was revealed people were wanting Edelgard. Don't act like they put in Byleth because people wanted him when they decided upon it in advance.
 

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I guess that’ll happen after the next reveal? Why talk about ALL six fighters at once though...?
He'll probably just talk about the process of deciding Fighters Pass 2 i.e. if the characters were negotiated for from Pass 1 and were on the original list, if new negotiations occurred, and if so, when they occurred, etc.

We're not getting a reveal anytime soon.
 

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It shows that they are in touch with fans out of hardcore Westerns Smash fans, too. Honestly, people's definition of "fan requests" are so close-minded that it's no surprise they are never satisfied.

A lot of fans were asking for a Three Houses/Dragon Quest character. You don't get to ignore them and whine about how Nintendo never listens to their fans.
Quite a few people have a case of Tunnel vision when it comes to potential Smash reps. To them if they ain't Sora/Geno/Waluigi/Doom Guy/Master Chief/Hayabusa, they don't have a chance to be in Smash and they get pissy if someone else gets added in.

This is why I'm open to all kinds of characters, even the more niche choices: You will never know with Sakurai and Smash. Smash is one of the biggest wild cards in Fighting games, hence why people seriously talk about characters like Monokuma, Reimu, Saber, Kazuma Kiryu, etc etc. They may be unlikely but Sakurai has added in unlikely picks to freshen things up before.
 

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I guess that’ll happen after the next reveal? Why talk about ALL six fighters at once though...?
Yeah I'm just gonna go ahead and assume Smash news won't exist till E3.
Wait a minute...

does this mean... a GRAND BLOWOUT OF ALL SIX FIGHTERS AT ONCE AT E3?!

it would certainly explain why there’ll be a drought THAT long... still kinda a **** move to keep us waiting THAT long though
 

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I would personally put Metal Gear under Action-Adventure.
Same case for Metroid and Castlevania.
Pikmin would fall under Strategy.

I take it you love to mess with people?
I play Hero solely to cause ragequits yes
I'm still salty Hubert isn't on the three houses map. Was he too scary to put in or something? Every other house has their main cheese and then they kinda just shove in Petra.

It doesn't really matter but I like Hubert and they gave my man the shaft like that when Dedue and Hilda just waltz in
He's going to get added in a patch, Sakuraidelgard sent him on a mission to assassinate the guy who made Cacomallow
 

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So the whole "We'll talk about Pass 2 next column" REALLY seems to imply that theres going to be a reveal by then. I mean, what is there to talk about Pass 2 that he hasn't really addressed already when talking about Pass 1? Getting real strong reveal vibes right now, especially since everything seems to be pointing to a direct next week.
 

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Anyway here's the full column : https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr4sfq
He says that he'll talk about the next sixth fighters in the next column
It sounds like Byleth had lucky timing on their side, just like Corrin. Only this time with a better-received game.

Also, the parts about swords makes me think any future sword fighters will have very unique movesets like Hero and Byleth, so that's neat.
 

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So the whole "We'll talk about Pass 2 next column" REALLY seems to imply that theres going to be a reveal by then. I mean, what is there to talk about Pass 2 that he hasn't really addressed already when talking about Pass 1? Getting real strong reveal vibes right now, especially since everything seems to be pointing to a direct next week.
I think at most all we would get is a Joker like teaser.
 

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We don't even know who the first character is of the second pass.

At the very least, hold your judgment until then. Maybe you'll be surprised. Maybe not. Either way, don't rob yourself from enjoying speculation.
We got the First Fighters Pass to off of. I'm 100% that there's going to be a Fire Emblem Heroes characters added in so they can say that there's a mobile character in Smash Bros.
 

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So the whole "We'll talk about Pass 2 next column" REALLY seems to imply that theres going to be a reveal by then. I mean, what is there to talk about Pass 2 that he hasn't really addressed already when talking about Pass 1? Getting real strong reveal vibes right now, especially since everything seems to be pointing to a direct next week.
When the fighters were chosen, clarifying if pass 2 was planned all along and simply announced later or something they decided afterwards, etc.
 

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We got the First Fighters Pass to off of. I'm 100% that there's going to be a Fire Emblem Heroes characters added in so they can say that there's a mobile character in Smash Bros.
Dragalia lost is more likely, they added a music track for heroes and I think they'd rather introduce something totally new
 

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So the whole "We'll talk about Pass 2 next column" REALLY seems to imply that theres going to be a reveal by then. I mean, what is there to talk about Pass 2 that he hasn't really addressed already when talking about Pass 1? Getting real strong reveal vibes right now, especially since everything seems to be pointing to a direct next week.
This is what I am thinking.

-More than likely, a tease of who the 6th fighter will be is coming.
-Give us an idea what to expect for FP2 and how they came up with the idea of "More money = Good"

Curious to know if a "Rule" will be broken with this reveal.
 
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It shows that they are in touch with fans out of hardcore Westerns Smash fans, too. Honestly, people's definition of "fan requests" are so close-minded that it's no surprise they are never satisfied.

A lot of fans were asking for a Three Houses/Dragon Quest character. You don't get to ignore them and whine about how Nintendo never listens to their fans.
Haven't you heard? Only character that have been requested since Brawl are worthy of the title of "fan favourite". Every other character that got popular and/or was created after 2009 is either a shill pick or a literally who.

/s
 

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This is what I am thinking.

-More than likely, a tease of who the 6th fighter will be is coming.
-Give us an idea what to expect for FP2 and how they came up with the idea of "More money = Good"

Curious to know if a "Rule" will be broken with this reveal.
The rule of 'obligatory Nintendo character' as Sakurai was offended by how people demanded first parties after getting first parties and a DLC character who caters exclusively to Nintendo purists
 

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The origjnal is on nintendo? Really? Isn't the game an Eroge? Isn't that too much? Is it censored? That's surprising.
I was thinking the main problem wasnt the skimpiness of some of the characters but the principle behind the thing.
The genre represention might be too inclusive if we start adding ero games. Would nintendo add it? Would they really?
 

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it only feels like yesterday people were automatically declaring the first fighters pass a dud before we knew any of the characters, after the double blow of Incineroar and Plant in base.

then Joker happened, and most of us pretty much shut up at that point,

that is until byleth

I feel like this'll be the same song and dance

people will be going in with wicked low exceptions, then they'll hit us with a whammy out of nowhere, that'll bring most of us on board pretty much instantly,

then one of the last fighters may or may not be super controversial, and people will automatically then declare the pass awful solely because of them
 
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I'm gonna go ahead and assume that them saying December 2021 may of been a place holder date. Or maybe they just don't want Smash to take up all the hype in every direct it's in...
 

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Yeah, you got one fan requested character out of the five newcomers.
Two actually. You are dismissing Hero as a request from Japan, I guess.

So the whole "We'll talk about Pass 2 next column" REALLY seems to imply that theres going to be a reveal by then.
Indeed.

In predicting a future character I could look to the middle aspect and choose Steve as Sakurai is a big Minecraft fan. After all Minecraft is a huge deal, and has a strong presence on Nintendo platforms, but I lean on the third aspect the most.
I'm a fervent believer of Steve in Smash, not because I want him, but because Sakurai likes Minecraft. Minecraft is undubitably a piece of history in gaming, and Sakurai likes that kind of reference. That and Microsoft is already in the game with Banjo and, apparently, easy to work with.

Steve is probably the only character I put at a 99+% chance to happen in this pass.
 

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Haven't you heard? Only character that have been requested since Brawl are worthy of the title of "fan favourite". Every other character that got popular and/or was created after 2009 is either a shill pick or a literally who.

/s
Take a shot of alcohol every time someone calls a character a "Literally Who" pick.


In all seriousness the Smash fanbase made me hate that term since it's not even a good argument. It simply amounts to "I don't know this character so therefore no one else does!"
 

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Haven't you heard? Only character that have been requested since Brawl are worthy of the title of "fan favourite". Every other character that got popular and/or was created after 2009 is either a shill pick or a literally who.

/s
Funny thing is, a lot of fans think like this unironically.

Characters like :ultchrom::ultpalutena::ultinkling: were super popular before their addition but since they are not dead mascots with twenty-year-old fanbases, they are treated as marketing or Sakurai picks.
 

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He'll probably just talk about the process of deciding Fighters Pass 2 i.e. if the characters were negotiated for from Pass 1 and were on the original list, if new negotiations occurred, and if so, when they occurred, etc.

We're not getting a reveal anytime soon.
Even the examples you brought up sound very insightful, we usually only hear about those kinds of details after the content has come out. If the second Pass is really going to be the main topic of his next column, then it's worth getting excited about imo, we know so little about it that just about anything he could say would give us something new to chew on.
 

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Okay, I was being a little cheeky before, but in all seriousness: I wanted Byleth before even playing Three Houses 'cause I thought they looked cool.

Ramen Tengoku Ramen Tengoku also wanted 'em.

To just blanket statement say "Every FE fan wanted Edelgard/no one wanted Byleth" is cherry picking and just plain rude. :/
 

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Take a shot of alcohol every time someone calls a character a "Literally Who" pick.


In all seriousness the Smash fanbase made me hate that term since it's not even a good argument. It simply amounts to "I don't know this character so therefore no one else does!"
"Literally Who" annoys me too. There's few things more obnoxious than people who're unironically proud of their ignorance.
 

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Dragalia lost is more likely, they added a music track for heroes and I think they'd rather introduce something totally new
Yeah, they totally want to introduce something new *look at Byleth*
 

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If you don't know who a character is, why not just Google it? Like, it takes all of 5 seconds.
Try telling that to the part of the fanbase that hates everything.
Still I like it when there is a character I don't know. Researching characters and games are pretty fun. When Hero got announced I spent a few hours looking up Dragon Quest III and IV to get an idea. Same with Terry and now I'm gonna get an SNK game soon.
 

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Okay, I was being a little cheeky before, but in all seriousness: I wanted Byleth before even playing Three Houses 'cause I thought they looked cool.

Ramen Tengoku Ramen Tengoku also wanted 'em.

To just blanket statement say "Every FE fan wanted Edelgard/no one wanted Byleth" is cherry picking and just plain rude. :/
I would've been pretty disappointed with Edelgard since she's easily my least favorite of the lords. Byleth really was the best choice they could've made to rep Three Houses, IMO.

Dimitri would've been sick, tho
 

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Even the examples you brought up sound very insightful, we usually only hear about those kinds of details after the content has come out. If the second Pass is really going to be the main topic of his next column, then it's worth getting excited about imo, we know so little about it that just about anything he could say would give us something new to chew on.
Honestly that's what I'm most excited about. We really know nothing in regards to Pass 2, so any information can help clarify speculation further.

I'm looking forward to seeing if this adds any more credence to my predictions or not.
 

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you kind of sound like a broken record right now.
Not really any different from any other day ITT, Wynn or no Wynn. FE bad, old character bad, first party bad, third party bad, etc.
 

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Well, I wanted Byleth and I love them, so my opinion about the character hasn't changed..plus I already knew Nintendo picked Byleth and I do feel that they were the best choice for the game since they are a big part of the path regardless of who is chosen.
Not really interested unless she gets her whipsword or has a ton of wind moves.
Anyway here's the full column : https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr4sfq
He says that he'll talk about the next sixth fighters in the next column
Sakurai seems to contradict himself in this translation:
"The new fighters are not decided by my own favorites, it’s Nintendo that brought in the talks. Anyway, the theme this time is a high degree of freshness. At any rate, characters from titles with a history of their own tend to get chosen as Smash fighters. The likes of the Hero from DQ, Banjo & Kazooie, and Terry from Garou had around 20~30 years since their debuts. That’s where I want to have a broad swing width.

This time, it was important to deliver an experience of playing as a protagonist of a title being played now right away. So I’m trying to work on a title where the original game was still in development by the time I started working on the production.

I don’t know what Nintendo is planning to sell in the future, so I look up at the decision. And the one that came up at that good timing was Three Houses."

Also, is "the next two weeks" two weeks from now?
 
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Admittedly, I like the idea of lesser known characters getting into Smash as opposed to the "Biggest of the big" names. It adds more diversity and personality to the roster and the smaller characters benefit more than the heavily requested/large names.

Don't get me wrong, I totally expect we'll get at least one of the big names for potential Smash characters but I also imagine a majority of them will be smaller names.

Most people need to remember that there's a ton of factors for character inclusions beyond popularity or requests, which is still admittedly a bit of a big thing but should not be THE factor. Negotiations is one, moveset potential is another, whether they attract new audiences to Smash, and whether they could be truly viable.

If we went with just mere "Top requests" the only character off the first DLC pass we would have gotten was Banjo and that's it. It'd be a radically different roster.
 

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Admittedly, I like the idea of lesser known characters getting into Smash as opposed to the "Biggest of the big" names. It adds more diversity and personality to the roster and the smaller characters benefit more than the heavily requested/large names.

Don't get me wrong, I totally expect we'll get at least one of the big names for potential Smash characters but I also imagine a majority of them will be smaller names.

Most people need to remember that there's a ton of factors for character inclusions beyond popularity or requests, which is still admittedly a bit of a big thing but should not be THE factor. Negotiations is one, moveset potential is another, whether they attract new audiences to Smash, and whether they could be truly viable.

If we went with just mere "Top requests" the only character off the first DLC pass we would have gotten was Banjo and that's it. It'd be a radically different roster.
My favourite thing about this line of thinking is that people usually end up screaming about how awful it is when modern characters get in and then proceed to scream again because they don't know SNK, then they whine about how sales should reflect the roster to cut down the FE cast, not knowing that swords are weak to lances and thus need to be stabbed instead of being cut
 

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I'm gonna go ahead and assume that them saying December 2021 may of been a place holder date. Or maybe they just don't want Smash to take up all the hype in every direct it's in...
It's probably more of an inflated estimation. I'd say we'll get the last character about a month early tops.

If you don't know who a character is, why not just Google it? Like, it takes all of 5 seconds.
This isn't really a helpful argument. A 5 second google search only puts a face to the name. It doesn't tell you why you should care, and if you don't care, you're not gonna dig any deeper. On the other hand, asking people on the internet does all that and could potentially entice you with the premise or fun facts about the character or game in question.

Thinking about it, "literally who?" is likely more of a question of "why should I care?" than just "who?" most of the time. Should that be the case it's probably better to just answer the question regardless of how annoying or arrogantly it's put.
 

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idk why this process is so confusing. Nintendo says "Here Sakurai, do these characters for DLC." Sakurai says "Okay cool. Wait, Zelda from BotW won't work, sorry. Give me someone new." "K. Here's X character." "Okay, they'll work." That's literally what he's been saying.

And to the people who are implying that he'd veto a character because he didn't like them, that's just assuming Sakurai is a petty dude who does whatever he can to get what he wants.
 
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