Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Renmazuo]

Previous interviews showed that Sakurai has veto power over Nintendo if he doesn't think the character is realizable. If he didn't want to work on Byleth, he could've just said no and Nintendo would've gave him something else.

Sakurai literally says that his veto is only used to deny characters who are not realizable. Why not simply accept what he says instead of accusing him of abusing his power for his own benefit.

 

[Herocin]

One thing I think people don’t realise about why they love a character coming to smash so much is how beautifully the moveset is crafted. Obviously certain characters are undeniably lacking but those are characters who haven’t really stood the test of time. The beauty of characters joining smash in the modern era is not only to see them here in the first place but also just how well designed they are to make them feel like they stepped right out of their own series into smash. I don’t expect people to be aware of it at first as it’s not that obvious but if the right amount of attention is paid, you can well and truly see all the hard work that went into making these characters. The detail is just one of the standards you should expect from the Sakurai touch because it never really disappoints

 

[Guynamednelson]

The only thing that Byleth fans and haters seem to agree on is that wanting just 1 or 2 more FE characters makes you worse than Hitler.

 

[Flyboy]

Sakurai: Nobody knows at Nintendo who the next fighter is! (Reference to Byleth reveal)

Also Sakurai: Nintendo picked all the characters.

That's literally not what he said, he said that the character has been kept secret so many global Nintendo employees (like, for example, Intern-kun, or your uncle who works at Nintendo) wouldn't know who it was.

He's been saying that Nintendo picked the lineup since day one of the pass being revealed.

This article is going to make the critical thinking problem in Smash speculation and reporting even worse, huh.

 

[MooMew64]

This article is going to make the critical thinking problem in Smash speculation and reporting even worse, huh.

This fanbase does critical thinking?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

This fanbase does critical thinking?

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Unfortunately yes. I've seen so many good people lost because of it. But you can help! For just $1 a month you can help stop the poor people of SmashBoards from suffering the 3x psychic damage caused by critical thinking.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

punchy-kicky character

The latest cereal box mascot retort. Now in the market near your local fire emblem house.

 

[MooMew64]

Okay, all jokes aside, this article is gonna get hecka misconstrued, and that's unfortunate, as the Byleth hate was just starting to quiet down. Oh well.

Look, I'm not sayin' people have to like swords, but to say they're taking over the roster like some have? Nah, nah, not when they don't even make up a quarter of it. Like, why are swords specifically bad? What makes another character who punches and kicks instead good?

 

[Sestetz]

I think putting Byleth as the last one in the dlc picks roster was kind of a bad move, because now people are automatically assuming "oh if they weren't more dlc characters then Byleth would of ended it, how lame is that?". I think they're a good pick, better than Corrin at least and they fit in pretty well. But people are always gonna be disappointed whenever they don't get what they want.

 

[Garteam]

Sakurai literally says that his veto is only used to deny characters who are not realizable. Why not simply accept what he says instead of accusing him of abusing his power for his own benefit.

I'd accept that point said if Sakurai said "Nintendo made me choose Byleth", but he didn't. Instead, Nintendo chooses the character and he decides if they can be made into a fighter. The first implies coercion, the second implies partnership.

Likewise, there's no quote that says Sakurai's only means of shutting down a character is if they are not realizable. The exact words are "if a character can be made into a fighter". There's numerous reasons in the past that Sakurai said characters couldn't become fighters, such as Villager and Nintendog being too peaceful, Chrom not bringing anything new, and Ridley being too big. Sakurai just simply not thinking Byleth is interesting would undoubtly fit this criteria of who can and cannot become a fighter, and thusly would not be an abuse of power.

 

[Opossum]

The latest cereal box mascot retort. Now in the market near your local fire emblem house.

I mean, it's describing a fighting style present in many characters on the roster.

 

[MooMew64]

The latest cereal box mascot retort. Now in the market near your local fire emblem house.

It wasn't a retort nor an insult. I was simply describing the characters in a general sense, like how you'd refer to the sword users as Swordies.

Like, dude, I play those punchy-kicky characters, lol. Inkling is my favorite Smash character and I like Banjo, so no, I'm not saying one is better than the other. It's just amusing to me people still freak out about swords when compared to other types of fighters, they do not outnumber traditional Smash Bros. punchin' and kickin'. Like, these are the same people who want Sora and Dante and they're mad Byleth uses a kind of sword as a few of their moves, when those characters would too.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Okay, all jokes aside, this article is gonna get hecka misconstrued, and that's unfortunate, as the Byleth hate was just starting to quiet down. Oh well.

Look, I'm not sayin' people have to like swords, but to say they're taking over the roster like some have? Nah, nah, not when they don't even make up a quarter of it. Like, why are swords specifically bad? What makes another character who punches and kicks instead good?

because..sword users seem to be the easiest thing for people to complain about (especially when they come from Fire Emblem), but at the same time will ask for more swordfighters

 

[Metal Shop X]

Sword aside, It's still a bit weird a FPS rep hasn't show up yet, considering how big the FPS genre is with many classic out there.

It's not even like I want a specific FPS character, but for a game that celebrate gaming like Ultimate, I hope the next pass will be able to fix that.

And in case someone say it, no, Samus doesn't count because the franchise didn't start with Prime & Metroid in general is more know for the Metroidvania genre than being a platformer or FPS game. In my mind, the character need to come from a franchise who was a FPS since it's start & still is to a extent.

 

[Deleted member]

Sword aside, It's still a bit weird a FPS rep hasn't show up yet, considering how big the FPS genre is with many classic out there.

It's not even like I want a specific FPS character, but for a game that celebrate gaming like Ultimate, I hope the next pass will be able to fix that.

And in case someone say it, no, Samus doesn't count because the franchise didn't start with Prime & Metroid in general is more know for the Metroidvania genre than being a platformer or FPS game. In my mind, the character need to come from a franchise who was a FPS since it's start & still is to a extent.

Well I already know who

doom is out so he is our last chance for a FPS rep

 

[Herocin]

Well I already know who
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doom is out so he is our last chance for a FPS rep

Dark Samus or Gordon Freeman. Who is to say he can’t happen. If Chief can have a shot why can’t Gordon

 

[Metal Shop X]

Dark Samus

Having a character you don't even play in it's original game and is a echo fighter of a 64 era character isn't the rep the FPS genre deserve, and that come from who love Dark Samus and is fine with her being a echo fighter.

 

[Sestetz]

Well I already know who
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doom is out so he is our last chance for a FPS rep

Nah dude, Minecraft Steve is gonna be our FPS rep!

 

[Herocin]

Having a character you don't even play in it's original game and is a echo fighter of a 64 era character isn't the rep the FPS genre deserve, and that come from who love Dark Samus and is fine with her being a echo fighter.

And that was coming from someone who was being sarcastic...

 

[pinshadow]

I can't believe we have literal confirmation that
A.Nintendo 100% picked the characters
B.These were NOT Sakurai's choices
and I'm still seeing people (not just here or anyone specific) saying that he's lying or that he has more control over the roster than he says. Seriously, how many times does he need to say it?

 

[Herocin]

I can't believe we have literal confirmation that
A.Nintendo 100% picked the characters
B.These were NOT Sakurai's choices
and I'm still seeing people (not just here or anyone specific) saying that he's lying or that he has more control over the roster than he says. Seriously, how many times does he need to say it?

I don’t remember seeing it be confirmed. It may have been implied but I don’t recall seeing anything that proved Sakurai said ‘Nintendo picked the DLC again’. If someone has a source please prove me wrong

 

[Evil Trapezium]

It wasn't a retort nor an insult. I was simply describing the characters in a general sense, like how you'd refer to the sword users as Swordies.

Like, dude, I play those punchy-kicky characters, lol. Inkling is my favorite Smash character and I like Banjo, so no, I'm not saying one is better than the other. It's just amusing to me people still freak out about swords when compared to other types of fighters, they do not outnumber traditional Smash Bros. punchin' and kickin'. Like, these are the same people who want Sora and Dante and they're mad Byleth uses a kind of sword as a few of their moves, when those characters would too.

I apologise for being an ass and being condescending with that post. You just unintentionally hit me where it hurts but there was no reason for me to act like that.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not a man but ok

Pokemon is literally the largest multimedia franchise on the planet, meaning there are more fans of Pokemon than literally anything else including Star Wars, Marvel and DC, etc

See, you're making the assumption that the people who aren't buying 3H would have done so had Byleth not gotten in, those 'lost customers' were never buying it to begin with. This is like me saying that Pokemon Home's price point is what's going to stop me from buying SwoShi when we both know I never intended to buy Swoshi

Did I say man? Weird way to spell woman. Must be autocorrect. My bad.

Speaking of Byleth, I think the character would still have been worthy if she used the Sword of the Creator alone. There's a lot they could do with the weapon, and I feel it's somewhat underutilized just because people complain about Fire Emblem and swordfighters.

I mean, Byleth could've been the "distance demon" she is now with the Sword of the Creator alone. The character was already worthy without having to rely on the Relic gimmick.

 

[Pinguino21v]

if he doesn't think the character is realizable

I want to argue this assumption with this other sentence of you.

If he didn't want to work on Byleth

Basically, what Renmazuo says:

Sakurai literally says that his veto is only used to deny characters who are not realizable.

"Realizable" and "wanted" are different.
Nintendo still has the last word.

 

[Metal Shop X]

And that was coming from someone who was being sarcastic...

Think I saw once before someone saying Dark Samus could rep FPS, so that's why it made me raise a eyebrow on the moment.

That and you just said Dark Samus in that post, so I thought for what it was.

That all said, if you were just sarcastic, my apologize.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't think that this pass will have any FPS characters.

 

[Herocin]

Think I saw once before someone saying Dark Samus could rep FPS, so that's why it made me raise a eyebrow on the moment.

That and you just said Dark Samus in that post, so I thought for what it was.

That all said, if you were just sarcastic, my apologize.

Nah that’s ok. I should be apologising for making an unoriginal joke.

I don't think that this pass will have any FPS characters.

Whenever someone has a discussion about something you don’t think will happen, you always just drop a short reply saying ‘I don’t think it will happen’ or something along those lines. Although there is nothing inherently wrong with that, it is kind of needless and constant. If people see your predictions and it lacks a certain something then people will know that you don’t think it will happen. I suppose I’m saying it doesn’t need to be as constant

 

[Deleted member]

Nah dude, Minecraft Steve is gonna be our FPS rep!

i didn’t know Minecraft had guns

 

[Herocin]

i didn’t know Minecraft had guns

Has Bows and Arrows tho.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

You know what I haven’t seen a lot of lately? Roster Predictions. I miss those. I know they are time consuming, but it’s always so fun to see visual representation of what people predict/want.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

honestly, i think the lack of FPS characters just boils down to japan not really caring about that genre

 

[Herocin]

You know what I haven’t seen a lot of lately? Roster Predictions. I miss those. I know they are time consuming, but it’s always so fun to see visual representation of what people predict/want.

There are fighter pass predictions if those count. Roster predictions aren’t really done nowadays because they are more of a base game thing.

 

[Deleted member]

Has Bows and Arrows tho.

Doesn’t count. Minecraft isn’t FPS. Just sandbox

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

As anyone who played the main game and multiplayer sections in Tooie can attest, Banjo-Kazooie was in fact the FPS rep:

 

[wynn728]

I can't believe we have literal confirmation that
A.Nintendo 100% picked the characters
B.These were NOT Sakurai's choices
and I'm still seeing people (not just here or anyone specific) saying that he's lying or that he has more control over the roster than he says. Seriously, how many times does he need to say it?

We're never going to have the full details of how characters were picked so we can only go off of what Sakurai said with no real evidence. But the thing is game developers lie, look at how EA say that lootboxes are meant to give a sense of pride and accomplishment or how Capcom say that characters are functions so it's okay that X-Men characters aren't in MvCI when in actuality it was because they couldn't obtain the rights due to Disney & Fox. It's all PR talk, just because Sakurai said something doesn't mean it's 100% truthful, that applies to everyone. The only thing people have is Sakurai's words, you can choose to believe him at his words or not.

This is also the same guy who said that there will not be a story mode in Smash 4 because people uploaded the cutscenes on YouTube when in actuality it was mostly because they were working on two different versions and tried to match them up as close as possible which lead to a bunch of difficulty. But saying that wouldn't be good PR.

 

[Herocin]

Doesn’t count. Minecraft isn’t FPS. Just sandbox

Didn’t you catch that it was a joke? No one in their right mind would count Minecraft as FPS. This is probably a testament to how the smash community takes things too seriously.

 

[RileyXY1]

honestly, i think the lack of FPS characters just boils down to japan not really caring about that genre

That's my reasoning as to why we are not getting any FPS reps.

 

[pinshadow]

We're never going to have the full details of how characters were picked so we can only go off of what Sakurai said with no real evidence. But the thing is game developers lie, look at how EA say that lootboxes are meant to give a sense of pride and accomplishment or how Capcom say that characters are functions so it's okay that X-Men characters aren't in MvCI when in actuality it was because they couldn't obtain the rights due to Disney & Fox. It's all PR talk, just because Sakurai said something doesn't mean it's 100% truthful, that applies to everyone. The only thing people have is Sakurai's words, you can choose to believe him at his words or not.

This is also the same guy who said that there will not be a story mode in Smash 4 because people uploaded the cutscenes on YouTube when in actuality it was mostly because they were working on two different versions and tried to match them up as close as possible which lead to a bunch of difficulty. But saying that wouldn't be good PR.

But WHY would he lie about this?

 

[StarBot]

I can't believe we have literal confirmation that
A.Nintendo 100% picked the characters
B.These were NOT Sakurai's choices
and I'm still seeing people (not just here or anyone specific) saying that he's lying or that he has more control over the roster than he says. Seriously, how many times does he need to say it?

BUT THE ZZS BAYONETTA FIGHTER BALLOT THO!!111

 

[Metal Shop X]

honestly, i think the lack of FPS characters just boils down to japan not really caring about that genre

Japan didn't care for Punch-Out, and yet we still got Mac.

Sure, you could say he is a retro rep (tho the Wii game could make that argument debatable), but while he was popular pick pre-confirm in the west. In Japan, lots of peoples were like "who's that dude?" once he was confirm, due to the first Punch-Out being only playable in Japan via a contest for another game, with limited copy of the game at that. It's thanks to his popularity in the West that he got in as a character in Smash 4.

Soooo, while it doesn't help FPS characters, I think it's not impossible for one to get in if the puzzles pieces fall in places.