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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Anyone who knows Spanish want to translate the main tweet?
And re: snapshot - no I don’t believe Zippo. I just want to know what the Spanish guy is saying
Just what we already know. Zippo says two directs. Doesn't know the dates, but thinks Animal Crossing is the 20th. Literally just a direct translation of Zippo's post, more or less.
 

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Anyone who knows Spanish want to translate the main tweet?
And re: snapshot - no I don’t believe Zippo. I just want to know what the Spanish guy is saying
I want it to be true as unlikely as it seems. All I want to know what to expect for 2020 please Nintendo.

The dude is just repeating what Zippo said in Spanish.
 
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Friendly advice: don't get your Hope's up fellas . I usually try and not trust anything leakers say, so save your hype for the official announcement of a direct instead of potentially getting disappointed if one doesn't come out for another month or two
 

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Ah, fighting over Fire Emblem.

Anyway, here is a fun game: smash has games that span from 1980 to 2020. Ignoring skins, 1988, 1995, 2000, 2008, 2011, 2014 and 2018 are not represented by a fighter.

Who would you pick to fill each year?
1988: Ryu Hayabusa

1995: Crono

2000: Joanna Dark

2008: Selvaria (Valkyria Chronicles)

2011: Demise (as a Ganondorf echo)

2014: Shovel Knight

2018: You know what came out in 2018? Smash Ultimate. That's right, Galeem gets added to the roster!
 

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2018: You know what came out in 2018? Smash Ultimate. That's right, Galeem gets added to the roster!
You know I've been thinking about this. What if Sakurai made a completely original character for the Super Smash Bros series and was like birthed from the defeat of Galeem and Dharkon? That'd be kind of cool if it was like one of the DLC characters and it gets like Galeem and Dharkon powers. I'd like to see that.
 

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How do we know Zippo knows anything at all? Does he have a good track record? He could just be making things up for all we know.
The guy's source(s) were apparently verified by ResetEra mods, a site that's notoriously harsh when it comes to fake leaks (perma bans iirc). Said moderators also have their own proven sources, and are known to tease the odd thing here and there, so they should know if a contact is legit or not.

For now I think Zippo's word is just something that's worth keeping in mind, without taking it as gospel.
 
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The guy's source(s) were apparently verified by ResetEra mods, a site that's notoriously harsh when it comes to fake leaks (perma bans iirc). Said moderators also have their own proven sources, and are known to tease the odd thing here and there, so they should know if a contact is legit or not.

For now I think Zippo's word is just something that's worth keeping in mind, without taking it as gospel.
To be fair, ResetEra at this point has lost virtually any means of verifying if someone in the industry is legit or not. Zhuge and Emily Rogers are gone, so assuming Zippo is legit, he would have had to be verified before that.
 

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Ah, fighting over Fire Emblem.

Anyway, here is a fun game: smash has games that span from 1980 to 2020. Ignoring skins, 1988, 1995, 2000, 2008, 2011, 2014 and 2018 are not represented by a fighter.

Who would you pick to fill each year?
1988: Ryu Hayabusa
1995: C(h)rono
2000: The Grinch Paper Mario
2008: Lego Batman Amaterasu
2011: Steve or Dragonborn
2014: Freddy Shovel Knight
 
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Good morning and...

*stretches arms*

I kinda wanna trust Zippo for a bit as long as he isn't leaking character identities. That way I can jist schedule myself over being depressed.
 

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IIRC isn’t Zippo the same guy who said DLC 5 was similar to Bayonetta in that it was a third party series that was revived by Nintendo and then shoehorned in why Byleth still applied to his infallible reasoning within his leak saying ‘Nintendo doesn’t own fire emblem’ despite suggesting they were third party as that literally is what bayonetta is? Long story short I wouldn’t trust Zippo at all.
 
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IIRC isn’t Zippo the same guy who said DLC 5 was similar to Bayonetta in that it was a third party series that was revived by Nintendo and then shoehorned in why Byleth still applied to his infallible reasoning within his leak saying ‘Nintendo doesn’t own fire emblem’ despite suggesting they were third party as that literally is what bayonetta is?
If memory serves, he went back on that statement after a while. Still before the actual reveal, mind you.
 

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If memory serves, he went back on that statement after a while. Still before the actual reveal, mind you.
I don’t think I caught that. Then again I don’t really trust Zippo so I haven’t been paying attention to his ‘leaks’ and I’m fairly certain he did then try to apply to Byleth to it. If he withdrew his leak and then tried to apply Byleth to the leak he claimed false then it wouldn’t look good on a budding ‘leakers’ track record.
 
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One thing we can agree on. Zippo can be more trusted then MandyCan as much as I'd love for Crash to be the first fighter of the second pass.

Crash or 2B/Elma I'm fine with whoever is FP6.
 
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One thing we can agree on. Zippo can be more trusted then MandyCan as much as I'd love for Crash to be the first fighter of the second pass.

Crash or 2B/Elma I'm fine with whoever is FP6.
I just wanna see FP6 first so I can judge on the direction Sakurai will take the pass.
 

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If FP6 started even with Amaterasu or Phoenix Wright that'd be just as great.

They along with 2B, Crash, Master Chief (Due to Doom Slayer being out of the running), Elma and Nightmare are my most current wants.
 
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One thing we can agree on. Zippo can be more trusted then MandyCan as much as I'd love for Crash to be the first fighter of the second pass.

Crash or 2B/Elma I'm fine with whoever is FP6.
If Zippo really didn’t withdraw this stuff about fighter 5 being similar to bayonetta then it’s probably better to trust mandycan than him. At least can hasn’t got anything wrong thus far and I am fully aware of the twitter trick btw
 

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If Zippo really didn’t withdraw this stuff about fighter 5 being similar to bayonetta then it’s probably better to trust mandycan than him. At least can hasn’t got anything wrong thus far and I am fully aware of the twitter trick btw
Thing is given the whole "Vergeben Sucks" makes it hard to take him seriously and for all we know he could be piggybacking on other sources.
 

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When you think about it...Kid Icarus is probably the most minor Nintendo IP to actually get a fully unique secondary character (and not a deriative in the way Wolf and Lucas are) in the form of Palutena. Dat Sakurai bias I suppose
And what a good bias. We don't deserve Palutena.
 

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Thing is given the whole "Vergeben Sucks" makes it hard to take him seriously and for all we know he could be piggybacking on other sources.
But would you rather trust someone with a seemingly spotless track record who has a particular distaste to say the least for another leaker or a leaker who came out of nowhere, hasnt really leaked anything, if memory recalls correctly is ridiculously cryptic with leaks and has made a leak, had it semi debunked but instead used the character that was announced as a door stop to shoehorn in why they really were right about their hint which was probably fake in the first place? Not that I trust any of them but I’d rather trust Mandy than Zippo
 
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I also expect to see a lot of the same "types of characters" as we saw in Volume 1 in Fighter's Pass Volume 2. In that I feel like a "huge third party with a legacy", the fan favorite, the first party, the new and somewhat more niche third party, and new and exciting third party all feel like similarly full of potential categories to satisfy lots of Smash fans with another character on top of them. I don't think it'll be an obvious 1-to-1 thing in regards to how Volume 2 will be handled, but I could easily see them going back to similar wells.

I also think that we'll see Sakurai make a couple of additional never-evers happen. And no I'm not necessarily referring to the characters people label as such, but rather the types of character you never expected to actually get into Smash happening in a big way like Joker, Hero, and Banjo & Kazooie were all for this specific cycle. They were all three to some degree impossible picks (Dragon Quest being such a complicated IP that Square Enix is protective of still should definitely earn Sakurai more credit than he gets for its inclusion) that even if they weren't all the biggest fighters, really brought some incredible dreams to reality.

It's kind of weird, Terry and Byleth are the only two of the Fighter's Pass that seemed more realistic as picks considering what they were, and even Terry is a big maybe considering SNK's relative place in the industry.
 

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But would you rather trust someone with a seemingly spotless track record who has a particular distaste to say the least for another leaker or a leaker who came out of nowhere, hasnt really leaked anything, if memory recalls correctly is ridiculously cryptic with leaks and has made a leak, had it semi debunked but instead used the character that was announced as a door stop to shoehorn in why they really were right about their hint which was probably fake in the first place? Not that I trust any of them but I’d rather trust Mandy than Zippo
Keeping expectations low because again MandyCan could be piggyback riding.
 

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Keeping expectations low because again MandyCan could be piggyback riding.
I never actually said I trusted Mandycan though. All I’m saying is if you don’t trust mandycan you shouldn’t really trust Zippo. And anyway the reason mandycan could be fake has absolutely nothing to do with piggybacking it’s just because they could have done the Twitter trick
 
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I never actually said I trusted Mandycan though. All I’m saying is if you don’t trust mandycan you shouldn’t really trust Zippo. And anyway the reason mandycan could be fake has absolutely nothing to do with piggybacking it’s just because they could have done the Twitter trick
Or he could have just kept himself obscure, made a bunch of predictions and then made his account known once he picked and chosen which predictions he made right.
 

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And this is why I call them the higher-ups. They're just a step ahead of everyone else.
Yep Vergeben predicted Everyone coming back, Ridley, Belmonts, Ken, Incineroar and such.

IAmShifty predicted Piranha Plant as well as Dracula and Marx as bosses.
 
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Ah, fighting over Fire Emblem.

Anyway, here is a fun game: smash has games that span from 1980 to 2020. Ignoring skins, 1988, 1995, 2000, 2008, 2011, 2014 and 2018 are not represented by a fighter.

Who would you pick to fill each year?
1998 - Wood Man (Megaman 2)
1995 - Kamek (Yoshi's Island)
2000 - Paper Mario
2008 - Galacta Knight (Kirby Super Star Ultra)
2011 - Magalor (Kirby's Return to Dream Land)
2014 - Shovel Knight
2018 - Melmetal (Pokemon Let's Go)
 

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Has IAmShifty said anything since Hayabusa?
Nope. I’m also fairly certain they were wrong about Hayabusa since they backed him coming before 2020 but nothing materialised so even that throws into question whether you can trust shifty
 

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Nope. I’m also fairly certain they were wrong about Hayabusa since they backed him coming before 2020 but nothing materialised so even that throws into question whether you can trust shifty
I still say he's worth keeping an eye on again he predicted Piranha Plant and Dracula and Marx as bosses.

Not as credible as say Vergeben but still has gotten things right.
 
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