Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[DevaAshera]

what about that geralt dude from the witcher while we're at it

Geralt is a different beast than Dracula or Henry Fleming..both of those characters are from books in the public domain that were adapted into series that weren't adaptions of their original content.
The Witcher is still very much owned by its original author and even its video games are still highly tied to the original books.

Alternately, thoughts on Emil?
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He'd be a good representative of both Nier games since he's become the mascot of sorts and would be a good LGBT representative.

I'd..rather not have Emil. I was never really that attached to the character while playing NieR, though I liked him, and I really didn't care for him in NieR Automata.
Now an Emil Mii Costume would be brilliant..maybe 9S & Nier costumes as well for that matter.

 

[Krankees]

The only people that care about that is FE fans. And Smash fans don't care about FE fans. They care about those gameplay gimmicks. Other than the Marth clones, Ike is the least interesting FE character gameplay-wise.

I would say Marth is the least interesting as Ike has his own moveset and the Marth clones at least have their own alternate gameplay gimmicks that make them more satisfying and fun to play. There's a reason why you don't see much Marth mains anymore.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Having played a decent amount of time in Nier Automata, I’ll chat more about 2B tomorrow. It’s a tad late here, but there’s a lot to talk about.

I’m super, super down for her in Smash!

 

[osby]

I would say Marth is the least interesting as Ike has his own moveset and the Marth clones at least have their own alternate gameplay gimmicks that make them more satisfying and fun to play then Marth.

Lucina is literally Marth without his gimmick.

 

[Krankees]

Lucina is literally Marth without his gimmick.

And that's why she's better.

 

[osby]

And that's why she's better.

Marth clones at least have their own alternate gameplay gimmicks

Pick one.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

All this talk of 2B reminds me of something...hmmm.

It's on the tip of my tongue...

oh yeah Nier Automata is a good game and y'all should play it.

 

[Krankees]

Pick one.

Her gimmick is that her attacks are more adjusted to the entire sword rather than the tip or more towards the hilt.

 

[Idon]

I would say Marth is the least interesting as Ike has his own moveset and the Marth clones at least have their own alternate gameplay gimmicks that make them more satisfying and fun to play. There's a reason why you don't see much Marth mains anymore.

The reason you don't see Marth mains is because they ****ing butchered him this game, not because Lucina is more satisfying to play. Did you forget the near 20 years of Marth FE dominance before Ultimate came out? In fact, it's quite the opposite in fact as she has no highs or lows to speak of, just simple consistency.

Her gimmick is that her attacks are more adjusted to the entire sword rather than the tip or more towards the hilt.

That's... that's not a gimmick. Most attacks are like that. That is literally the opposite of a gimmick. The removal of a gimmick... standardization.

 

[osby]

Her gimmick is that her attacks are more adjusted to the entire sword rather than the tip or more towards the hilt.

Yes, that's how sword hitboxes in Smash work, with the exception of Marth and Roy.

 

[Krankees]

The reason you don't see Marth mains is because they ****ing butchered him this game, not because Lucina is more satisfying to play. Did you forget the near 20 years of Marth FE dominance before Ultimate came out? In fact, it's quite the opposite in fact as she has no highs or lows to speak of, just simple consistency.



That's... that's not a gimmick. Most attacks are like that. That is literally the opposite of a gimmick. The removal of a gimmick... standardization.

Yes, that's how sword hitboxes in Smash work, with the exception of Marth and Roy.

My bad then. I guess I looked at it a bit too optimistically.

 

[Garteam]

Hello, it is I, Mashiro Sakurai. Little did you know, this was my account. I'm proud to give Smashboards the exclusive reveal of the entirety of Fighter's Pass 2. We were very happy with the reception of Joker's "Gun" special, so we decided to choose Fighter's Pass 2 exclusively using characters that could wield gun-like objects for their neutral specials:

Spoiler

First is Master Chief, who wields a generic sci-fi gun for his neutral special. We would've based it on a gun from Halo, but Reggie still has my Xbox so I couldn't do research. Reggie, if you're reading this, please send my Xbox back. I miss it.

Second is Crash Bandicoot, who wields a megaphone to reference his most iconic appearance, his green screen video.

Third is Shadow, he's an echo of Sonic with Joker's Gun as a neutral special. Yes, he's still $5.99. If you have an issue with this, you should have listened to me and not blind bought the Fighter's Pass. To quote a classic Sonic fan, when will you learn that your actions have consequences?

Fourth is DMC Dante, he uses whatever the equivalent of Ebony and Ivory are in the reboot. I didn't play it, but Capcom said they're contractually obligated to have only this form of Dante for crossover fighters.

Fifth is Duke Nukem. Unfortunately, a cease and desist from numerous film studios has forced us to make him silent, lest we get sued for copyright infringement on his quotes. Sorry gang.

Sixth is Kiran from Fire Emblem Heroes. He wields Breidabilk, summoning other Fire Emblem characters for attacks, because it seems like everyone and their dad desires a very specific Fire Emblem roster, so you can now make it yourself. To use Kiran, it will be a $10 monthly subscription.

 

[Deleted member]

Hello, it is I, Mashiro Sakurai. Little did you know, this was my account. I'm proud to give Smashboards the exclusive reveal of the entirety of Fighter's Pass 2. We were very happy with the reception of Joker's "Gun" special, so we decided to choose Fighter's Pass 2 exclusively using characters that could wield gun-like objects for their neutral specials:

Spoiler

First is Master Chief, who wields a generic sci-fi gun for his neutral special. We would've based it on a gun from Halo, but Reggie still has my Xbox so I couldn't do research. Reggie, if you're reading this, please send my Xbox back. I miss it.

Second is Crash Bandicoot, who wields a megaphone to reference his most iconic appearance, his green screen video.

Third is Shadow, he's an echo of Sonic with Joker's Gun as a neutral special. Yes, he's still $5.99. If you have an issue with this, you should have listened to me and not blind bought the Fighter's Pass. To quote a classic Sonic fan, when will you learn that your actions have consequences?

Fourth is DMC Dante, he uses whatever the equivalent of Ebony and Ivory are in the reboot. I didn't play it, but Capcom said they're contractually obligated to have only this form of Dante for crossover fighters.

Fifth is Duke Nukem. Unfortunately, a cease and desist from numerous film studios has forced us to make him silent, lest we get sued for copyright infringement on his quotes. Sorry gang.

Sixth is Kiran from Fire Emblem Heroes. He wields Breidabilk, summoning other Fire Emblem characters for attacks, because it seems like everyone and their dad desires a very specific Fire Emblem roster, so you can now make it yourself. To use Kiran, it will be a $10 monthly subscription.

Here's another one to make my day...

 

[DevaAshera]

The reason you don't see Marth mains is because they ****ing butchered him this game, not because Lucina is more satisfying to play. Did you forget the near 20 years of Marth FE dominance before Ultimate came out? In fact, it's quite the opposite in fact as she has no highs or lows to speak of, just simple consistency.

Maybe its just that Lucina is a better character than Marth.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Maybe its just that Lucina is a better character than Marth.
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Isn't that pretty much what he's saying, as Marth got nerfed to **** whereas Lucina didn't?

 

[Diddy Kong]

I would say Marth is the least interesting as Ike has his own moveset and the Marth clones at least have their own alternate gameplay gimmicks that make them more satisfying and fun to play. There's a reason why you don't see much Marth mains anymore.

Marth was always beloved because his status as Top Tier. Now that Lucina, Chrom and Roy are better, people cling to them. It's very logical.

 

[DevaAshera]

Isn't that pretty much what he's saying, as Marth got nerfed to **** whereas Lucina didn't?

I was being a smart alec and I meant Lucina is a better character than Marth is..as in as a character (personality, design, etc) not a series of functions and gameplay.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I was being a smart alec and I meant Lucina is a better character than Marth is..as in as a character (personality, design, etc) not a series of functions and gameplay.

me rn

This is what I get for trying to read before 7AM


Also while the whole W101 thing will have zero impact on Smash, I'm wondering if we'll see some partnership with Sony and Nintendo sooner or later, they still own W101 but now it's heading to PS4

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I would say Marth is the least interesting as Ike has his own moveset and the Marth clones at least have their own alternate gameplay gimmicks that make them more satisfying and fun to play. There's a reason why you don't see much Marth mains anymore.

or they left him because the others became better fighters with little to no nerfs affecting them as much as he's been...or they don’t like Yuri Lowenthal

Her gimmick is that her attacks are more adjusted to the entire sword rather than the tip or more towards the hilt.

so her gimmick is...not having a gimmick? That’s some WWE type **** right there

I was being a smart alec and I meant Lucina is a better character than Marth is..as in as a character (personality, design, etc) not a series of functions and gameplay.

You’re not even close to wrong

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Her gimmick is that her attacks are more adjusted to the entire sword rather than the tip or more towards the hilt.

I swear to god I'm tired of Smash fans calling every tiny little thing a gimmick but getting irrationally upset if you say their favourite character has an actual gimmick without putting any feelings or opinions about their fav

 

[Krankees]

or they left him because the others became better fighters with little to no nerfs affecting them as much as he's been...or they don’t like Yuri Lowenthal

so her gimmick is...not having a gimmick? That’s some WWE type **** right there

You’re not even close to wrong

I swear to god I'm tired of Smash fans calling every tiny little thing a gimmick but getting irrationally upset if you say their favourite character has an actual gimmick without putting any feelings or opinions about their fav

I already backed off from that. I was being too much of an optimist. I'll be more careful about what I say next time.

My bad then. I guess I looked at it a bit too optimistically.

 

[Jomosensual]

I swear to god I'm tired of Smash fans calling every tiny little thing a gimmick but getting irrationally upset if you say their favourite character has an actual gimmick without putting any feelings or opinions about their fav

Everyone is either a stupid gimmick, a cereal box mascot, or a generic anime swordsman now. The weapon triangle of Smash fans.

 

[osby]

Everyone is either a stupid gimmick, a cereal box mascot, or a generic anime swordsman now. The weapon triangle of Smash fans.

People don't even use cereal mascot that much. It's started as a backlash against fans who complain about all human characters being the same.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

People don't even use cereal mascot that much. It's started as a backlash against fans who complain about all human characters being the same.

Especially as all the cartoony platformer mascots use punches and kicks, a fighting style used in Smash more than swords but nobody complains about punches and kicks either

I already backed off from that. I was being too much of an optimist. I'll be more careful about what I say next time.

My bad, I'm just tired of seeing it as I got jumped by like 5 people for saying "Banjo cannot use 6 side bs without dying, a feature no other character has, meaning he has a gimmick" as if the word 'gimmick' inherently means "This thing is objectively bad" when gimmicks can and have been handled very well in Smash

 

[Idon]

or they don’t like Yuri Lowenthal

The real nerf to him.

If only games brought this back...

 

[PSIGuy]

Lucina’s not much of a character. She’s a bit too... flat.

 

[Krankees]

Lucina’s not much of a character. She’s a bit too... flat.

It appears you don't believe in the three words that true men of culture follow.

flat is justice

 

[DarthEnderX]

How many people do you see praising the fact that he turns into a dragon? Going to go out on a limb here and say an amount not even remotely close to the people chanting "We Like Ike" and "Roy's Our Boy."

Well, since there's no way to prove otherwise, I'm going to say the opposite is true.

 

[N3ON]

The only people that care about that is FE fans. And Smash fans don't care about FE fans. They care about those gameplay gimmicks. Other than the Marth clones, Ike is the least interesting FE character gameplay-wise.

Your argument is predicated on the Smash fanbase caring more about gameplay nuances than characters, which is something you might hear from someone who a) is solely a competitive Smasher or b) hasn't been paying attention to the fanbase for the last twenty years.

Well, since there's no way to prove otherwise, I'm going to say the opposite is true.

Ah, the SmashChu defense.

 

[Idon]

Lucina’s not much of a character. She’s a bit too... flat.

Well, since there's no way to prove otherwise, I'm going to say the opposite is true.

Yes, you can feel free to believe that Byleth and Corrin are the most beloved Smash characters to ever get into Smash and will definitely outlast their seniors when it comes to legacy and likability. I won't stop you, not like anyone can.

 

[GoodGrief741]

People don't even use cereal mascot that much. It's started as a backlash against fans who complain about all human characters being the same.

Of course, we all know it's fine to insult characters if you're doing it ironically

Man, I love the internet.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I would say Marth is the least interesting as Ike has his own moveset and the Marth clones at least have their own alternate gameplay gimmicks that make them more satisfying and fun to play. There's a reason why you don't see much Marth mains anymore.

Setting aside the clones, I'd say if you were comparing Marth and Ike directly, Marth is the more interesting of the two, as they're both fairly generic swordsmen. But Marth is the "agile" one while Ike is the "slow and strong" one, which makes him inherently interesting.

Your argument is predicated on the Smash fanbase caring more about gameplay nuances than characters, which is something you might hear from someone who a) is solely a competitive Smasher or b) hasn't been paying attention to the fanbase for the last twenty years.

My argument is that the Smash fanbase doesn't care about FE, and thus is incapable about caring about the FE characters AS characters. And in the absence of knowing anything about the characters, they default to caring about how they play instead.

Yes, you can feel free to believe that Byleth and Corrin are the most beloved Smash characters to ever get into Smash and will definitely outlast their seniors when it comes to legacy and likability.

I don't believe that. But I also don't think they're disliked because of their movesets OR their characters. They're disliked because they're FE character 6 and 8 in Smash. Ike is liked more because he was only number 3.

Basically, each FE character is hated more than the last because people don't want more FE characters! Not because the newer characters are worse than the old ones.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Setting aside the clones, I'd say if you were comparing Marth and Ike directly, Marth is the more interesting of the two, as they're both fairly generic swordsmen. But Marth is the "agile" one while Ike is the "slow and strong" one, which makes him inherently interesting.

I don't believe that. But I also don't think they're disliked because of their movesets OR their characters. They're disliked because they're FE character 6 and 8 in Smash. Ike is liked more because he was only number 3.

Basically, each FE character is hated more than the last because people don't want more FE characters! Not because the newer characters are worse than the old ones.

Wow, you somehow managed to misunderstand the pre-Awakening FE fandom, the Awakening fandom, the Fates fandom (if it exists, I'm assuming it has to), the Three Houses fandom, the pro-FE Smash fandom, and the anti-FE Smash fandom.

I think you're pretty much the only person in the world who thinks that.

 

[DevaAshera]

Setting aside the clones, I'd say if you were comparing Marth and Ike directly, Marth is the more interesting of the two, as they're both fairly generic swordsmen. But Marth is the "agile" one while Ike is the "slow and strong" one, which makes him inherently interesting.

I don't believe that. But I also don't think they're disliked because of their movesets OR their characters. They're disliked because they're FE character 6 and 8 in Smash. Ike is liked more because he was only number 3.

Basically, each FE character is hated more than the last because people don't want more FE characters! Not because the newer characters are worse than the old ones.

I honestly feel you're right on both counts.
If Ike had been dropped like Roy was and Corrin was the 3rd FE in Smash 4, more people would be fine with her..same for Byleth if they were only the 4th FE character in Ultimate.
Granted, then we run into the issue with playable characters in Smash..they'll always have their fans, whether they are included in the game or not. People would ironically be calling for cut characters, even Fire Emblem characters, to return to Smash while simultaneously bemoaning the amount of Fire Emblem characters in the game. In short, a lot of these people want the familiar and will shun the new because its not the character they liked before.

Wow, you somehow managed to misunderstand the pre-Awakening FE fandom, the Awakening fandom, the Fates fandom (if it exists, I'm assuming it has to), the Three Houses fandom, the pro-FE Smash fandom, and the anti-FE Smash fandom.

I think you're pretty much the only person in the world who thinks that.

I'm actually Pre, Awakening, Fates, Three Houses, and Pro-FE in regards to those fandoms and I think he pretty much nailed it.
I honestly believe that Roy nor Ike would be that popular had it not been for their appearances in Super Smash Bros. Most people will tell you that Roy is one of the less interesting Lords and Path of Radiance & Radiant Dawn didn't sell that well, so his popularity could easily have gone to someone else like Hector or Ephraim.
And yes, Fates does have a fandom..its more popular than people like to give it credit for..not to mention a lot of times you get criticized if you admit to liking something that is seen as 'bad'.

 

[Mamboo07]

What's with the cereal mascot thing i'm seeing here?

 

[TheYungLink]

What's with the cereal mascot thing i'm seeing here?

"Cereal mascot" was a term made up by fans of anime human styled characters who were tired of people constantly insulting their favorite characters as "generic anime swordsmen". Seeing as these insults were usually made by fans of cartoony mascot characters similar to Banjo-Kazooie or Rayman or Crash, it was made as a countermeasure by """generic anime swordsmen""" fans who have had enough from the others at this point.

The terms aren't equal as "generic anime swordsman" is still flung around far FAR more than "cereal mascot" is. Bonus points from several Banjo & Kazooie fans who said things like "I'm fine with whoever Sakurai adds after Banjo & Kazooie because I'm so SO grateful they actually finally made it in!!!!11!!" but ended up going back to complaining about Byleth using the same "generic anime swordsmen" insult.

Edit: no, I'm not saying it's wrong to be disappointed with Byleth. I'm only saying that reducing them to "generic anime swordsmen" is oversimplifying them as much as calling BK or Rayman or whoever as a "cereal mascot", yet the crowd who likes the latter kind of character is generally the one that hurls these insults to the former group, only to act surprised and dumbfounded when they retort back with an insult of their own.

 

[I.D.]

Pretty sure "cereal mascot" is a term from the Steve-Banjo wars

 

[StarBot]

What you guys thoughts on that rumor that Super Smash Bros. is gonna be represented in Universal Studio?

 

[DarthEnderX]

I thought cereal mascot was a term used to insult Scorbunny...

 

[Krankees]

What you guys thoughts on that rumor that Super Smash Bros. is gonna be represented in Universal Studio?

First time I'm hearing about it.

EDIT: Just checked out the Wonderful 101 Remastered Kickstarter. Looks like it will be coming on Steam and PS4.