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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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dezeray112

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If we get another Street Fighter rep, we're getting Chun-Li. Smash is literally the ONLY crossover where Ryu is playable but not her, let alone Ken. And she's probably one of the most iconic fighting game characters of all time alongside Ryu.
I would probably take that 4chan leak with a grain of salt, but if we are getting another character from the Street Fighter series, then it would be Chun-Li since she is not only one of the most iconic fighter within the series, but she is also one of the most iconic female fighters within fighting games.
 

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If we get another Street Fighter rep, we're getting Chun-Li. Smash is literally the ONLY crossover where Ryu is playable but not her, let alone Ken.
Well, that's just because Smash has yet to add a fully unique secondary third party character. Ken and Richter get by by being clones or "echo fighters" that are treated more as extensions of pre-existing characters rather than their own individual fighter with a number.

I think the problem is that when you include someone like Chun-Li, it kind of opens Pandora's Box. Because now people are going to be asking "Where's Dr. Eggman?", "Where's Alucard?", "Where's Tails?", "Where's Gruntilda?", and so on.
 
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I think the problem is that when you include someone like Chun-Li, it kind of opens Pandora's Box. Because now people are going to be asking "Where's Dr. Eggman?", "Where's Alucard?", "Where's Tails?", "Where's Gruntilda?", and so on.
You're making it sound like they don't already do that.
 
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Why are we even still talking about the Akuma leak? It straight up looks like a Smash 4 mod, it goes against Akuma's signature characteristics, and it's 4Chan where leaks are fake 99% of the time.

btw can I get a Fighters Pass 2 template?
 

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Why would someone try to fake an Akuma leak? Smash fans are pretty adamant about each character being unique and Akuma doesn't add many new attacks to the shoto moveset. (He's got like, a teleport, the Raging Demon, and his fireball is aimed downward when used in the air and that's it.)
 

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Assuming the next event will be a FE Online Tourney... that would make the next Spirit event happen around two weeks from now, right? Considering the extended amount of time in character development, the Spirit events will probably be what shifts speculation around the most.

I still think the Kunio Spirits point to an Arcsys rep. It's just a really odd choice compared to the other third party Spirits:

- Tecmo has Fatal Frame, but if I'm not mistaken, the Spirits are from two games that were co-developed with Nintendo.
- Marvelous is in a similar situation with Daemon X Machina.
- The Tetris Company doesn't have anything besides... well, Tetris. So it's not like they could get anything else in Ultimate besides that.
- Capcom got RE, but they already had two series with playable characters before.

Meanwhile, all Arcsys gets is a bunch of Kunio Spirits? I get it: River City is influential in Beat-'em-ups, which later inspired the fighting game genre itself, and it had a lot of its history in Nintendo consoles. But it didn't even belong to Arcsys originally. It's like if Sega's only content in Smash was some Puyo Puyo or Persona Spirits or Bethesda only had some Doom Spirits.

"But then why wouldn't Kunio content come with the Arcsys rep?" Well, because it's an aquired property. We didn't get Persona content with Sonic back in Brawl. Terry got Spirits from other series, but they all belonged to SNK.
Isn’t Atlus also associated with the series? I thought I read it somewhere.
 

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Alucard and Chun-Li would both be deserving to get in one being the first lady in fighting games although I may not be right and the other being the style shift that changed the Castlevania series forever Chun would be funny especially because she has a footstool move that she could use and Alu is so versatile in what he can do that it's sad that he's an assist because that's a waste of so much potential.
 

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Alucard and Chun-Li would both be deserving to get in one being the first lady in fighting games although I may not be right and the other being the style shift that changed the Castlevania series forever Chun would be funny especially because she has a footstool move that she could use and Alu is so versatile in what he can do that it's sad that he's an assist because that's a waste of so much potential.
Yeah. Alucard and Chun-Li would be neat additions. I don't think they have any chance for DLC but for the next Smash? Maybe. I'm at least confident in Ryu/Ken returning.
 

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Yeah. Alucard and Chun-Li would be neat additions. I don't think they have any chance for DLC but for the next Smash? Maybe. I'm at least confident in Ryu/Ken returning.
with Alucard I'm hopeful for an upgrade but if they do upgrades if the series is isn't new I don't want them to be in the pass Alucard could just be a character with a few songs although the series is perfectly represented musically as is but Chun-li would fill the void because she's alwasys with Ryu and Ken at least when new games come out
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The sword and shield dlc looks fairly complete in trailers and that suggests this has probably been worked on well before fp2 which still gives urshifu or someone else a leg up
To be fair this is mainline Pokemon, something like that most likely took less time than the actual game (especially since they most likely got the full team back after Town finished development and release), though there's really no way to know for sure.
And again, the spirit event still stands. If it was pitched for DLC (even if it's for pass 2) they wouldn't have given it a spirit event in the middle of pass 1. If anything I can see Nintendo approaching TPCi just for the spirit event alone and TPCi didn't think of further promoting with DLC which in turn would mean that we won't have a gen 8 Pokemon during FP2 (and very likely not for FP3 either as the DLC would've already surpassed the expected sales by then meaning they wouldn't think of the promotion as necessary… again).
 
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To be fair this is mainline Pokemon, something like that most likely took less time than the actual game (especially since they most likely got the full team back after Town finished development and release), though there's really no way to know for sure.
And again, the spirit event still stands. If it was pitched for DLC (even if it's for pass 2) they wouldn't have given it a spirit event in the middle of pass 1. If anything I can see Nintendo approaching TPCi just for the spirit event alone and TPCi didn't think of further promoting with DLC which in turn would mean that we won't have a gen 8 Pokemon during FP2 (and very likely not for FP3 either as the DLC would've already surpassed the expected sales by then meaning they wouldn't think of the promotion as necessary… again).
I agree with this and I find it extremely doubtful that we will get a Sword and Shield Pokemon as DLC.
 

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Well, that's just because Smash has yet to add a fully unique secondary third party character. Ken and Richter get by by being clones or "echo fighters" that are treated more as extensions of pre-existing characters rather than their own individual fighter with a number.

I think the problem is that when you include someone like Chun-Li, it kind of opens Pandora's Box. Because now people are going to be asking "Where's Dr. Eggman?", "Where's Alucard?", "Where's Tails?", "Where's Gruntilda?", and so on.
Where are they though? These are characters that should be no-brainers at this point. Especially egregious is Sonic being in for the majority of the series and not getting another character.
 

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Where are they though? These are characters that should be no-brainers at this point. Especially egregious is Sonic being in for the majority of the series and not getting another character.
I think that Sonic is definitely important enough to warrant another character. Sonic also has an ongoing crossover series with Mario himself so there's that.
 

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This Akuma fake has been fun because I think it really does show how people are open to fan favorites from existing series' being added even now. Obviously I want Chun-Li or Bison over Akuma but also the Shun Goku Satsu would literally be the coolest Final Smash ever.

If Vol. 2 was all about fleshing out existing series' even more I'd be a little bummed since I love the "new worlds" aspect of Vol. 1 but at the same time could I really complain about characters like Eggman, Alucard, Chun-Li, Tifa, Sephiroth, et. al? Naaaah.
 

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Rex and Pyra wouldn't really be a spirit promotion and more of a loophole.

Spirits deconfirm right? But there is no spirit that feature both Rex and Pyra together sooooooooooooooooo they are technically a viable fighter option.

XC2 doesn't have a stage, there are plenty of songs not in the game, while the main characters are all in spirits a few antagonists and swords are not......
 

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Rex and Pyra wouldn't really be a spirit promotion and more of a loophole.

Spirits deconfirm right? But there is no spirit that feature both Rex and Pyra together sooooooooooooooooo they are technically a viable fighter option.

XC2 doesn't have a stage, there are plenty of songs not in the game, while the main characters are all in spirits a few antagonists and swords are not......
Except, Rex’s Mii Costume is wielding Pyra’s sword so I guess that soft deconfirms Pyra too...
 

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I think as far as Street Fighter characters go, an ideal cast would probably be Ryu, Ken(Σ), Akuma(Σ), and Chun-Li. We could add Guile as well, but with so many characters at similar levels of importance it would probably cause a huge slide of "Ok then why not Zangeif? Ok then why not Dhalsim? Ok then why not M. Bison? Ok then why not Blanka? Ok then why not Alex? Ok then why not Sakura?" ad infinitum.

Though I suppose this scenario isn't too bad so long as we're not getting endless shotos...

Alucard's absolutely next in line for another CV character seeing as we almost got him instead of the Belmonts
Plot twist! Death joins the battle instead.
 

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Akuma I would see at most being an semi-clone maybe. I can't see a fighter getting two Echos though knowing Sakurai he could pull that off.

Damn double posting...
 

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Akuma I would see at most being an semi-clone maybe. I can't see a fighter getting two Echos though knowing Sakurai he could pull that off.
It would definitely break a precedent, but since Akuma's differences from Ryu and Ken would mostly be property based (like Chrom except the changes would be a bit more complicated) I could see it done. At most he'd be an Isabelle tier Echo Fighter, which doesn't sound nearly as exciting to me for some reason.
 

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Finally we got a name to talk about. What's this about Akuma?
 
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> Feeling very certain in a Pokemon because disappointment is always an eventuality, I just don't know what it could be because I don't know the Pokemon Company's plan. So I went with the new fighting type that's the Mythical in the first dlc since it probably fits in smash pretty easily.
Doesn't Gen 8 have an Spirit Board? If anything I feel that rules them out.
Master Chief is pretty crazy. I think that would pretty Snake/Cloud levels of what?!?!
I'm pretty sure Master Chief would be more then Snake/Cloud levels of hype tbh.
 
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Well, that's just because Smash has yet to add a fully unique secondary third party character. Ken and Richter get by by being clones or "echo fighters" that are treated more as extensions of pre-existing characters rather than their own individual fighter with a number.

I think the problem is that when you include someone like Chun-Li, it kind of opens Pandora's Box. Because now people are going to be asking "Where's Dr. Eggman?", "Where's Alucard?", "Where's Tails?", "Where's Gruntilda?", and so on.
Well the leak claims that Akuma would be unique so it would already do that. And tbh Chun Li is the one character that could be made an exception for, alongside Tails. Those two are pretty much the only unique secondary 3rd Parties we need in this game, honestly, because they’re a tier above the rest in terms of their series and character importance. Especially since Zero and Alucard are already Assist Trophies.

Also people where already asking stuff like “Where’s Shadow?” and “Where’s Ms. Pac-Man?” after Ken and Richter were revealed.
 
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>Still talking about Akuma leak.

Why? It looks fake to begin with...
Eh, no one's talking about it as though it's real, it's more that Akuma is a cool character and it's fun to talk about stuff we don't often, which is Street Fighter reps.

I think as far as Street Fighter characters go, an ideal cast would probably be Ryu, Ken(Σ), Akuma(Σ), and Chun-Li. We could add Guile as well, but with so many characters at similar levels of importance it would probably cause a huge slide of "Ok then why not Zangeif? Ok then why not Dhalsim? Ok then why not M. Bison? Ok then why not Blanka? Ok then why not Alex? Ok then why not Sakura?" ad infinitum.

Though I suppose this scenario isn't too bad so long as we're not getting endless shotos...
Obviously I'd take the whole damn SF cast, but I think Ryu, Ken, Akuma, and Chun-Li is a solid selection. We get the three most iconic characters plus a fan-favorite villain. It's hard to decide whether I'd want Bison or Akuma...probably Bison, just because he is a more unique villain and I love him but man, Akuma really is super cool...
 

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I think that Sonic is definitely important enough to warrant another character. Sonic also has an ongoing crossover series with Mario himself so there's that.
Completely agreed, but for now it seems like SEGA only wants to have their newcomers in Smash come from different franchises (Sonic in Brawl, Bayonetta in 4, Joker for Ultimate)
 

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I think that the Sword and Shield Spirit event completely deconfirms a Sword and Shield Pokemon altogether.
 

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I think that the Sword and Shield Spirit event completely deconfirms a Sword and Shield Pokemon altogether.
I really would hate if they added another Pokemon after Incineroar. I think they missed the shot for having the fire water grass trio with picking Incineroar over Decidueye. But I wanted Incineroar more than him anyways honestly
 

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I think if we got another sega rep the most likely picks would be another Sonic character (because of course sega would want that). Or a Yazuka rep. I'm not really sure how it would work, but Yakuza is giant in Japan, and it gets to the top of the sales on the charts easily. It's the last franchise I could see Sega adding besides like, Valkyria Chronicles? Everything else they have it pretty dead sadly, no Jet Set radio character T-T. But even then having a character like Kiryu would be mad difficult, I can't really even come up with a recovery for him. Would be fun to at least have a stage though.
 

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I think if we got another sega rep the most likely picks would be another Sonic character (because of course sega would want that). Or a Yazuka rep. I'm not really sure how it would work, but Yakuza is giant in Japan, and it gets to the top of the sales on the charts easily. It's the last franchise I could see Sega adding besides like, Valkyria Chronicles? Everything else they have it pretty dead sadly, no Jet Set radio character T-T. But even then having a character like Kiryu would be mad difficult, I can't really even come up with a recovery for him. Would be fun to at least have a stage though.
The only other Sega character I hear being talked about here is Arle Najda from Puyo Puyo.
 

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If Street Fighter (or a different third party series) had as many characters as the Super Mario (8 characters and 1 Echo Fighter), Pokémon (10 characters), or Fire Emblem (6 characters and 2 echo fighters) series, who would you pick and why?

For Street Fighter, I'd go with what Fire Emblem's got:
Ryu
Ken (Σ)
Akuma (Σ)
Chun-Li
M. Bison
Guile
Zangief
Menat

This covers the big names of the series, adds some important characters, and throws in a completely unique character just for fun. I didn't add Sakura or Segat because I felt that since Ryu, Ken, and Akuma all have the same moveset it would be imperative that the rest of the characters don't even remotely resemble the shotos to avoid "most of the characters are just Ryu" complaints.
 

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I think if we got another sega rep the most likely picks would be another Sonic character (because of course sega would want that). Or a Yazuka rep. I'm not really sure how it would work, but Yakuza is giant in Japan, and it gets to the top of the sales on the charts easily. It's the last franchise I could see Sega adding besides like, Valkyria Chronicles? Everything else they have it pretty dead sadly, no Jet Set radio character T-T. But even then having a character like Kiryu would be mad difficult, I can't really even come up with a recovery for him. Would be fun to at least have a stage though.
I could see Yakuza maybe getting in but I think you're forgetting Puyo puyo. It's bigger than Yakuza in sales and have a bigger history, and it's more closely affiliated with Nintendo.
 

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The only thing that makes me think Pokémon might not be in pass#2 is because Sakurai said how TPC are the hardest party to work with (much worse than any 3rd party). Don’t remember what interview that was from though.

And also, no Pokémon has ever been DLC except for Mewtwo only he 1) Might have been meant for base roster like PP, and 2) Was a veteran character. (And 3) Huge demand for him to return?)
 

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Puyo Puyo or Yakuza has at least a chance
 
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