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SpectreJordan

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Okay, you guys can add additional 3rd party characters only from franchises already represented in Smash. Who do you choose? Only one from each.

Sonic: Dr Eggman/Robotnik
Metal Gear: Raiden
Megaman: Dr Wiley (Or maybe Zero instead)
Castlevania: Dracula
Pacman: Pinky, duh
Final Fantasy: No idea
Street Fighter: Guile
Banjo: Gruntilda
Dragon Quest: Slime
Sonic: Dr Eggman
Metal Gear: Raiden (Revengeance)
Mega Man: X
Castlevania: Alucard
Final Fantasy: Terra or Tifa
Street Fighter: Chun-Li
Banjo: Gruntilda
Persona: Persona 4 Protagonist
Fatal Fury/King of Fighters: Geese Howard
Dragon Quest: The Heroine (Different moveset from Hero)

I don’t think Pac-Man or Bayo have any good choices for a second rep that’s not an echo.

I came up with a new game. What is your favorite song(s) in Ultimate. Only rule is that the song must be in Ultimate, new song or old one. You can count Three Houses if you want. We should also probably stick with links for this one.

Some of mine are:
Vega Stage - New Remix
Mega Man X Opening Stage - New Remix
Beneath the Mask - New Remix
Stormy Saxophone 2 - KOF '96 - New Remix
Big Blue - New Remix

Yes they are all new remixes but I can't help it, they're too good.
Soy Sauce for Geese
Guile’s Theme
Banjo-Kazooie Theme
Lights, Camera, Action!
Wake Up, Get Up, Get Out There
Id (Purpose)
Luigi’s Mansion Theme
Gang-Plank Galleon
Bloody Tears
Megalovania
Final Destination (Brawl)
Lifelight
 
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Question: if you had to have another character be a dual Boss & Assist Trophy like Rathalos, who’d you pick?

Black Knight’s currently an AT, but I would have liked for him to be a Boss in addition. Also, Sephiroth was the dream for another dual boss/AT. Sadly he became neither because Square Enix...
Personally, I think all of the Bosses should be able to appear as Assist Trophies. In fact, there should be a Boss Trophy item that's like the Master Ball item that just spits out a random boss.

But if you mean some of the current ATs that I'd like to see get promoted to bosses, then:
Mother Brain(Super Metroid version as the boss)
Andross(N64 version as the boss)
Dr. Wily(Wily Machine 8 as the boss)

Sephiroth and Black Knight would be amazing as bosses.
I think that Kraid from Metroid and a Metal Gear could be very cool as well.
Black Knight would make an amazing Ike echo.
Sephiroth would make an amazing playable character, while Safer Sephiroth would make an amazing boss.
Metal Gear REX would make an amazing boss.
Mother Brain would make a better boss than Kraid.
 
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Okay, you guys can add additional 3rd party characters only from franchises already represented in Smash. Who do you choose? Only one from each.

Sonic: Dr Eggman/Robotnik
Metal Gear: Raiden
Megaman: Dr Wiley (Or maybe Zero instead)
Castlevania: Dracula
Pacman: Pinky, duh
Final Fantasy: No idea
Street Fighter: Guile
Banjo: Gruntilda
Dragon Quest: Slime
Metal Gear: Liquid Snake
Sonic: Eggman or Shadow
Megaman: Proto man
Pac man: Ms.Pac Man
Street Fighter: Chun Li
Final Fantasy: Tifa
Bayonetta: Masked Lumen
Castlevania: Alucard
Persona: Akechi
Dragon Quest: Villain lul
Banjo: Mumbo
Fatal Fury: Geese or Rock Howard
 

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funny that people listed their favorite trailers reveals in order and even when they listed all of them even the ones from smash 4 bayo's trailer was left off every list. lol.
my top 5 reveal trailers

1.cloud (music intro for the fans of the series knew what it was immediately.
2. bayonetta surreal moment for me. and the trailer while not cinematic like many others still captured it perfectly
3. joker a surprise reveal and the trailer made everyone do a double take. even sash envelopes are iconic now.
4. ridley. yeah he gave mario a fatality. it goes on my list.
5. belmonts luigi got messed up and the trailer was reallycool.
hon mention terry.
 

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I came up with a new game. What is your favorite song(s) in Ultimate. Only rule is that the song must be in Ultimate, new song or old one. You can count Three Houses if you want. We should also probably stick with links for this one.

Some of mine are:
Vega Stage - New Remix
Mega Man X Opening Stage - New Remix
Beneath the Mask - New Remix
Stormy Saxophone 2 - KOF '96 - New Remix
Big Blue - New Remix

Yes they are all new remixes but I can't help it, they're too good.
Imma just stick with new remixes to make it that much easier for me

Galaga Medley (Galaga) I promise the link ain't Bloody Tears lol
Ice Man (Mega Man)
Snake Man (Mega Man 3)
Opening Stage (Mega Man X)
Out of Time (Castlevania)
Divine Bloodlines (Castlevania: Rondo of Blood)
Battle! (Trainer) (Pokemon Sun and Moon)
Battle! (Elite Four)/Battle! (Sogaleo/Lunala) (Pokemon Sun and Moon)
Guile's Theme (Street Fighter II)
Beneath The Mask (Persona 5)
Kurikinton (Fatal Fury 2)
Psycho Solider Theme (Psycho Solider)
Banquet of Nature (Samurai Shodown)
Megalovania (Undertale)

I'm telling y'all, Smash has an outstanding soundtrack
 

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Okay, you guys can add additional 3rd party characters only from franchises already represented in Smash. Who do you choose? Only one from each.

Sonic: Dr Eggman/Robotnik
Metal Gear: Raiden
Megaman: Dr Wiley (Or maybe Zero instead)
Castlevania: Dracula
Pacman: Pinky, duh
Final Fantasy: No idea
Street Fighter: Guile
Banjo: Gruntilda
Dragon Quest: Slime
:ultsonic:: Amy
:ultbayonetta:: Jeanne
:ultjoker:: Makoto
:ultsnake:: Rising Raiden
:ultmegaman:: Tron Bonne
:ultryu:: Chun Li
:ultbanjokazooie:: Master Chief
 

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I know my favourite part of every Banjo-Kazooie game is when Bottles teaches you how to use the Spartan Laser.
I was mainly using him as an overall Microsoft rep...y u gotta meme on Mii :sadsheep:
 

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Does anyone have that image of Japanese fans commenting on the possibility of Doom Slayer in Smash?

I was thinking about it & the fact that multiple people mentioned Halo/Master Chief is pretty interesting, given how Xbox isn’t popular in Japan. Despite that, Master Chief is still semi-known in Japan.

Master Chief could be a reverse Hero. An icon in the west but only semi-known in Japan.
 
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Does anyone have that image of Japanese fans commenting on the possibility of Doom Slayer in Smash?

I was thinking about it & the fact that multiple people mentioned Halo/Master Chief is pretty interesting, given how Xbox isn’t popular in Japan. Despite that, Master Chief is still semi-known in Japan.

Master Chief could be a reverse Hero. An icon in the west but only semi-known in Japan.
Thought you meant the reverse RNG thing at first and was confused how that was possible
 

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Yeah, I still don't understand Verge. He was correct on all the base stuff. And his rumor about Minecraft made me think with Microsoft's involvement, B&K could happen--and they did, but it was done after his leak, and Minecraft or Microsoft stuff outside of B&K and Cuphead didn't happen. Despite those datamined Rare spirits that went no where (so far). It's all confusing to me still.



While it was misread, to answer that question genuinely... As a kid I genuinely could not tell the difference between all the human characters, when there's all these colorful, different shaped/designed characters all around. Characters like Mario and Luigi are more differentiable because they're more cartoonish and exaggerated. Even Shulk, who I now respect their design, just looked like another "human character." Snake, while a human, was identifiable because of how unique he was in being this mature, modern military guy, but hung out with these colorful characters and had cartoonish elements to his actions. It's all about expectations, and how new information is incorporated.

While Shulk's design grew on me as I got older, unfortunately all the FE designs still come off to me as uninspired and same-y medieval swordsmen design, where often the non-protagonists look more interesting than the ones in Smash. The fact three out of eight characters have blue hair (and Byleth's Smash design looks more blue-ish than green-ish) doesn't help that. People can tell the difference if they care to look close enough--but there's no reason to if you're not a fan of that series. Now I have been able to tell the differences, but only because I look at, share, and manipulate Smash character art a lot... prior to that, yeah they looked like "blue haired anime swordsmen." The fact one's muscular and one's slender is a minuscule difference compared to the more basic, superficial elements. Even Marth vs Lucina--obviously they're a different gender, but to a non-fan the question is, "Out of all the characters, why do they all have to have the same superficial appearances?" JustJesss did a good video on that topic just the other day.

I have the same bias against another fire/water type Pokemon being in--there's so much variety to choose from (in both FE and Pokemon), but the ones that get in Smash, on a superficial level, look the same, or have the same basic attributes. But, it is what it is, and I respect the fans of FE to get the characters they want in--not mine, since, I'm not the audience for those characters.
As a kid I used to think that Marth, Ike, and Pit were all from the same franchise because they all looked anime. So I can relate to this post.
 
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Does anyone have that image of Japanese fans commenting on the possibility of Doom Slayer in Smash?

I was thinking about it & the fact that multiple people mentioned Halo/Master Chief is pretty interesting, given how Xbox isn’t popular in Japan. Despite that, Master Chief is still semi-known in Japan.

Master Chief could be a reverse Hero. An icon in the west but only semi-known in Japan.
Halo is literally half-dead in Japan (unpopular genre, tied to the deadest console over there) so i wouldn't draw the Halo/DQ comparisons anytime. At the very least DQ is niche rather than a non-factor.
 

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As a kid I used to think that Marth, Ike, and Pit were all from the same franchise because they all looked anime. So I can relate to this post.
I used to think most of the characters were only from Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon...or real life
 

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Halo is literally half-dead in Japan (unpopular genre, tied to the deadest console over there) so i wouldn't draw the Halo/DQ comparisons anytime. At the very least DQ is niche rather than a non-factor.
Hm...
Media Create states that this is the first time an Xbox 360-exclusive title (Halo 3) has entered the chart in the number one slot. The 360 itself also saw a relative spike in sales to 5,215 units--as compared to the 1,687 reported last week--no doubt another part of the Halo 3 effect.
Up until the Xbox One Microsoft, and Halo, had a pretty solid presence in Japan. Even now it has a solid niche within Japan, just like Dragon Quest does in America.

DOOM is dead, but Halo certainly isn't.
 

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I came up with a new game. What is your favorite song(s) in Ultimate. Only rule is that the song must be in Ultimate, new song or old one. You can count Three Houses if you want. We should also probably stick with links for this one.

Some of mine are:
Vega Stage - New Remix
Mega Man X Opening Stage - New Remix
Beneath the Mask - New Remix
Stormy Saxophone 2 - KOF '96 - New Remix
Big Blue - New Remix

Yes they are all new remixes but I can't help it, they're too good.
My picks:
Gang-Plank Galleon (Donkey Kong Country) - New Remix
Beneath the Mask (Persona 5) - New Remix
Battle!! - Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Still, Move Forward! (Xenoblade Chronicles 2)
Boss Fight 1 - Kid Icarus: Uprising
Bomb Rush Blush (Splatoon 2) - New Remix
Shooting Star (Mega Man Star Force)
Ring a Ding (New Style Boutique 3)
Battle! (Steven) (Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire) - New Remix
 

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Halo is literally half-dead in Japan (unpopular genre, tied to the deadest console over there) so i wouldn't draw the Halo/DQ comparisons anytime. At the very least DQ is niche rather than a non-factor.
Eeeeeh I dunno. Dragon Quest XI S was the first time I've actually seen someone excited for a Dragon Quest game. Though this could just be me not knowing things as I often do. I mean we did get the port after all. That and Halo hasn't stopped releasing on business days because people keep skipping work/school...
 
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ceterisparibus

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Hm...

Up until the Xbox One Microsoft, and Halo, had a pretty solid presence in Japan. Even now it has a solid niche within Japan, just like Dragon Quest does in America.

DOOM is dead, but Halo certainly isn't.
That's....less than 10k copies sold. Even Halo 3 barely broke 50k during its first week before petering out in its high. Whereas DQ have had entries which broke the million copy benchmark in the West.

Don't get me wrong, as someone who played Halo extensively, MC would be amazing. But i think people overestimate his chances compared to a Minecraft character or Crash
 
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I can’t wait for the Sora Sword Mii fighter costume :)
If anything, that would be ghe worst case scenario for Kingdom Hearts Content in the game, same as what happened with Undertale and Cuphead. A costume and a music track. Though I wouldn't recommend holding back.

Pray that Sakurai gets his stuff together with both Square and Disney.
 

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If anything, that would be ghe worst case scenario for Kingdom Hearts Content in the game, same as what happened with Undertale and Cuphead. A costume and a music track. Though I wouldn't recommend holding back.

Pray that Sakurai gets his stuff together with both Square and Disney.
I think that would be a great scenario either way!
 

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Random, but the more I think about it the more I'm a little sad Mimikyu didn't make the cut. Could have been a really fun moveset of him doing things to copy all of Pikachu's moves. IDK if it would have been an echo or not but either way I would have had a lot of fun seeing it. I guess in a non everyone is here game this probably would have been more feasible, but I'm going to pour one out for what it could have been
 

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If Nintendo bothered involving Disney solely for a Mii costume, I'd be shocked.
Eh, I wouldn’t put it past them. Sora isn’t likely in my opinion. Nintendo/Sakurai is unpredictable, so you really can’t go with thoughts like that. But again, that’s my opinion hahah
 

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That's....less than 10k copies sold. Even Halo 3 barely broke 50k during its first week before petering out in its high. Whereas DQ have had entries which broke the million copy benchmark in the West.

Don't get me wrong, as someone who played Halo extensively, MC would be amazing. But i think people overestimate his chances compared to a Minecraft character or Crash
Agreed. I could only see Sakurai adding Master Chief if he wanted to go the "icon of gaming" route, in this instance, being the face of Xbox, as it would certainly be a risk when it comes to Japan, a demographic they care more about. And I just personally don't see Sakurai picking characters in that way (and, I think Nintendo's picking the characters, so I find it even more unlikely, unless MCC for Switch is true and they want to have a connection there). If they do, it would be purely a pick for Western audiences, knowing that it would blow up big (bigger than Banjo & Kazooie, since they're often associated with their N64 games, whereas Halo is purely Xbox).

Though, I think that Master Chief has a higher chance than Minecraft--from a character perspective, there's more to Master Chief as a character than a Minecraft character. Though, I don't want to re-open that old debate, especially since I'd be fine if either one got in. My personal hope is for Crash, if there's a Western pick.
 

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Random, but the more I think about it the more I'm a little sad Mimikyu didn't make the cut. Could have been a really fun moveset of him doing things to copy all of Pikachu's moves. IDK if it would have been an echo or not but either way I would have had a lot of fun seeing it. I guess in a non everyone is here game this probably would have been more feasible, but I'm going to pour one out for what it could have been
Like, it's Pikachu, but slower, with different hurtboxes, and all of its attacks are malicious parodies of Pikachu's? Sold!

I just realized something...Mimikyu's "head" isn't real so it wouldn't have a hurtbox. This means it would potentially have been harder to hit than Pichu.
 
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