Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[GuiltyGyarados]

Hate them all you want

Will do.

 

[Ivander]

If there's anything to regard about poor timing, it's more the fact that the Devil May Cry twitter decided to tweet about an announcement that was to happen on the same day as the Reveal....like would people have thought about Demon Marth had the twitter not decide to announce stuff on the same day as the reveal?

 

[Garteam]

Will do.

Everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion, but trying to pass your opinion off as the "correct" one when you really have no arguments to back it up is pretty lame.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Rank the DLC

Joker = 10/10. I adore Joker and played P3-P5 and will be playing P5R and P5S when they come out so when he came out, I was super hype seeing Him with that envelope. He plays fun.

Hero = 10/10. DQ 8 was my first Dragon quest and while i havent played 11 yet at the time, i loved DQ 8 so seeing them appear as a new hero was sweet and it's so cool to see RNG in smash.

Banjo = 5/10 initially to 7/10. Never liked Banjo or his game. Was bigger into LoZ 64 (and Majoras mask) DK64, mario 64 and Megaman 64 and even then, I didn't like it. I was stoked for people who loved him and he does play great.

Terry Bogard = 10/10. I played Fatal Fury 2 when I was a kid, along with Mortal Kombat, Samurai Shodown and street fighter. Those games shaped my love of fighting games but out of my favorites of Ken/Chun-Li, Galford and Poppy/Ukyo/Charlotte, johnny cage/Kitana/Kung Lao/Scorpion, Terry and Joe reigned as my favorite fighters of all time. Especially after the Fatal Fury 2 OVA. Seeing Terry in Smash was my Banjo wish.

Byleth = 9/10. When I first played Fire Emblem Three Houses, I knew the game had beaten P5 was my favorite JRPG. Having all these complex stories on 4 (soon to be 5) storylines were beautiful to me. I also knew that either Byleth or Edelgard would be in smash and while I wanted 2B in this spot, still getting my second pick with all the weapons made me happy.

I didn't buy the pass but I will be buying the second pass because this one was ****ing solid for me.

Pass grade = A rank

Joker: Admittedly, I was quite upset with this choice. Still doesn't really feel right, but guess he's part of the SEGA family? 4/10

Hero: Cool choice. Very iconic. Fits into Smash well, and Dragon Quest has a long history with Nintendo. Too gimmicky to be my cup of tea however. But belongs right there I feel. 7/10

Banjo: My childhood!!! Best decision ever for a 3rd party character. Very fun to play as too, and the nostalgia is just too much. Having them on Nintendo again feels like a dream. 100/10

Terry: Didn't know who he was, but for crossover purposes he makes sense. Guess it's kinda cool like with Ryu and Ken they basically transferred his moveset over. I can appreciate him, in hindsight. 5.5/10

Byleth: I love Three Houses, best possible candidate I thought was anywhere remotely likely. I think it's kind of strange they opted to put Byleth in with this sort of move set however. But I love how they made Byleth the representative of the weapon triangle system, and basically also represent each House Leader. It's real clever. Haters can suck on a thick, fat banana. 10/10.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Waluigi is a side character who exclusively appears in Mario spin-offs.

I don't consider him a necessity by any means, I didn't consider Daisy one either but she got in because she could easily fit over Peach.

Well, regardless, he still has a chance as DLC, even if it is a slim one.

 

[Icewolff92]

Gonna go ahead and bet that I know more about it than you do. The stuff that matters, anyway.

I don't care. Whether it's an axe or a spear, it's the same **** from a gameplay standpoint.

Just another big disjointed hitbox for my Puff to struggle with avoiding. Big whoop. So hype.

Yes.

First off, no they are not the same playstyle as most of the crew (or are you calling yourself more knowledgeable about the game then the likes of ESAM and MVD?), and no Fire Emblem is not a niche tittle anymore no matter if you like it or not. Not as big as pokemon granted, but its certainly not a niche tittle anymore

 

[krokotopia101]

So...is Inkling only in the game solely for promotion bait for Splatoon?

 

[Dee Dude]

Before any of you put words in my mouth thinking I should condemn attacking Sakurai, I don’t understand why the man doesn’t just develop a FE game if he’s such a big fan.

Byleth itself is a fine inclusion, there was nothing wrong with them getting in as DLC since Three Houses is a well-received and popular game.

But WHY on earth would anyone defend such a stupid idea of introducing four brand new third party worlds Persona, Dragon Quest, Banjo-Kazooie and Fatal Fury that people never expected to be Smash and then end it off with ONE Nintendo franchise that people absolutely WOULD expect getting to Smash based off it’s representation in the past?

I’m aware Smash cycle end on low-notes but this may be the most baffling one yet, and before anyone points out “HOW COME NOBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT MARIO OR POKÉMON THEN?”

What is it with people thinking that a series that started off obscure in the West that nobody knew until Melee and still became a niche series until Awakening absolutely believes they should be on par with the literal Flagship of Nintendo and the highest grossing media franchise of all time with about 900+ characters to choose from?

Call this a “Fire Emblem bad” post all you want, Byleth should’ve either been base roster, bonus like PP, or in Fighter Pass Vol 2. Not this one.

That said, I still look forward to them and hope they’re a great character to play.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

So...is Inkling only in the game solely for promotion bait for Splatoon?

is literally based off a Wii U title though.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So pass 2 will also have music and stages, which is honestly really awesome

wonder if they’ll have Spirit Boards too?

which brings me to this: make some Spirit Boards for your most wanted! I’ll do some of mine:

Spoiler: Neku Sakuraba (The World Ends With You)

1. Shiki Misaki - represented by red haired and
2. Yoshiya “Joshua” Kiryu - represented by Melia-colored
3. Beat & Rhyme - represented by and
4. Coco Atarashi - represented by purple
5. Yodai Higashizawa - represented by
6. Sho Minamimoto - represented by black-clad
7. Mitsuki Konishi - represented by
8. Koki Kariya and Uzuki Yashiro - represented by and
9. Megumi Kitaniji - represented by brown haired
10. Sanae “CAT” Hanekoma - represented by

Spoiler: Octoling (Splatoon 2 Octo Expansion)

1. Off The Hook (Octo Expansion) - represented by Narwhal Lilac Female Octoling and
2. Cap'n Cuttlefish (Octo Expansion) - represented by (idk why)
3. C.Q. Cumber - represented by
4. Iso Padre - represented by gray
5. Sanitized Octarian - represented by
6. Octobot King II (DJ Octavio feat. Callie)* - represented by and
7. Mysterious Telephone** - represented by
8. NILS Statue - represented by who frequently uses his final smash?
* = yes I know that’s the base game Hero Mode and not Octo Expansion. I just felt like including it (if we get Tidal Rush with it it’s a double win)
** = evolves into Commander Tartar

Spoiler: Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles X, POTENTIAL SPOILERS)

1. Irina Akulov - represented by
2. Gwin Evans - represented by
3. L’cirufe aka L - represented by
4. Celica (Xenoblade Chronicles X) - represented by black dress
5. Secretary Nagi - represented by
6. Ga Jiarg and Ga Buidhe - represented by and
7.

Spoiler: BIG SPOILER YOUVE BEEN WARNED

Lao (Chimera) - represented by

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

Everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion, but trying to pass your opinion off as the "correct" one when you really have no arguments to back it up is pretty lame.

I never tried to pass mine off as the "correct" one, but I can start doing that if you want me to. Despite what you just said, I've presented countless arguments. More than anyone else I've seen on the other end of the debate, and nobody's been able to adequately refute them.

First off, no they are not the same playstyle as most of the crew,

They pretty much are. Disjointed hitboxes. That's your entire gameplan made for you right there.

Not as big as pokemon granted

Then it's not big enough to deserve having eight characters.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Gonna go ahead and bet that I know more about it than you do. The stuff that matters, anyway.

If you think Marth, Lucina, Chrom and Ike are blank state avatar characters AND you've played Fire Emblem, then no. You don't. I play Fire Emblem. This shouldn't even be an argument. If you claim to know more about a video game franchise that I've been playing since the moment it came to the west, you are probably obsessive about a thing you hate. Great way of wasting your precious time. But who am I to tell you that anyway.

Great way to make yourself look stupid.

Also people are allowed to like what they like. Three Houses is one of the best games on the Switch too.

 

[I.D.]

What is it with people thinking that a series that started off a literally what in the West that nobody knew until Melee and still became a niche series until Awakening absolutely believes they should be on par with the literal Flagship of Nintendo and the highest grossing media franchise of all time with about 900+ characters to choose from?

Something about a rotating cast of characters and a mobile gacha that is a blip in the radar compared to the actually big gacha games.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

If you think Marth, Lucina, Chrom and Ike are blank state avatar characters AND you've played Fire Emblem, then no. You don't. I play Fire Emblem.

You don't need to play Fire Emblem to understand these characters. They're nothing.

Also people are allowed to like what they like.

And I'm allowed to hate what I hate.

You still haven't shown me how Byleth isn't a bad choice "at all."

 

[SpectreJordan]

I can think of another option.
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I wouldn’t call Dead Rising a horror series but I love it & Frank, so I’d be down lol

 

[Icewolff92]

I never tried to pass mine off as the "correct" one, but I can start doing that if you want me to. Despite what you just said, I've presented countless arguments. More than anyone else I've seen on the other end of the debate, and nobody's been able to adequately refute them.

They pretty much are. Disjointed hitboxes. That's your entire gameplan made for you right there.


Then it's not big enough to deserve having eight characters.

Yesh dude... it's just a game. No big deal. You act like its life or death. But whatever

If you think Marth, Lucina, Chrom and Ike are blank state avatar characters AND you've played Fire Emblem, then no. You don't. I play Fire Emblem. This shouldn't even be an argument. If you claim to know more about a video game franchise that I've been playing since the moment it came to the west, you are probably obsessive about a thing you hate. Great way of wasting your precious time. But who am I to tell you that anyway.

Great way to make yourself look stupid.

Also people are allowed to like what they like. Three Houses is one of the best games on the Switch too.

Exactly and agreed.

 

[Schnee117]

why are we still feeding the troll

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

Yesh dude... it's just a game. No big deal. You act like its life or death. But whatever

No arguments, then?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Before any of you put words in my mouth thinking I should condemn attacking Sakurai, I don’t understand why the man doesn’t just develop a FE game if he’s such a big fan.

Byleth itself is a fine inclusion, there was nothing wrong with them getting in as DLC since Three Houses is a well-received and popular game.

But WHY on earth would anyone defend such a stupid idea of introducing four brand new third party worlds Persona, Dragon Quest, Banjo-Kazooie and Fatal Fury that people never expected to be Smash and then end it off with ONE Nintendo franchise that people absolutely WOULD expect getting to Smash based off it’s representation in the past?

I’m aware Smash cycle end on low-notes but this may be the most baffling one yet, and before anyone points out “HOW COME NOBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT MARIO OR POKÉMON THEN?”

What is it with people thinking that a series that started off a literally what in the West that nobody knew until Melee and still became a niche series until Awakening absolutely believes they should be on par with the literal Flagship of Nintendo and the highest grossing media franchise of all time with about 900+ characters to choose from?

Call this a “Fire Emblem bad” post all you want, Byleth should’ve either been base roster, bonus like PP, or in Fighter Pass Vol 2. Not this one.

That said, I still look forward to them and hope they’re a great character to play.

'Byleth is a fine choice, just not alongside the others on this Fighter Pass, because I think it doesn't make sense.'- the post.

If you're fine with Byleth, you're fine with Byleth being on the Fighter Pass. Whoever else you think SHOULD'VE been on it can be the next DLC fighter.

There's literally no problem here, except your expectations and what you feel is right and wrong.

The SALT IS REAL.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

why are we still feeding the troll

I don't think they're trolling. Some of them genuinely do seem to like Byleth.

 

[Louisacommie]

Zelda please

 

[Guynamednelson]

how? Pokemon actually have the possibility to have incredibly unique movesets, even if Sakurai would probably just add another boring starter again. FE is much more restrictive when it comes to design and moveset potential.

Except Byleth did away with a couple of cliches regarding FE reps. Rillaboom/Cinderace/Inteleon would not.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

xcept Byleth did away with a couple of cliches regarding FE reps

.............Like what?

 

[Opossum]

Guys just report him and move on, lol.

 

[RetroBro]

See, I disagree about the "saturation" debate when out of the whole 82 character roster, these are the characters that use swords:



16 out of 82. That really isn't a whole lot when compared to the rest of the roster, especially when four of them are semiclones that require less work, and 2 Echoes that require minimal work.

After that, our roster of swordies that are 100% unique and not based on anything from another character is this:



Heck, Byleth doesn't even use their sword like a sword, (it's basically a whip) and they use other weapons as well. I just can't get behind this "too many swords" argument when these are the same people asking for other characters who use swords, or more punch and kick characters in a game where there's a lot of punch and kick.

However, they aren't FE, which makes them immune to these supposed criticisms.

Fair enough (It's currently 75 characters at the moment, not 82). But here's some possible perspective on why people are sick of sword characters:


Smash 64: 1/12 Characters was a sword user. (8%)
Melee: 4/25 Characters were sword users. (16%)
Brawl: 5/35 Characters were sword users. (14%)
Sm4sh: 9/58 Characters were sword users. (15%)
Ultimate: 17/75 Characters were sword users. (22%)

It is a lot to be fair. Don't have time to keep posting here (at work). Have fun with the numbers at least lol.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

Guys just report him and move on, lol.

I need to be sure if he's actually trolling. Once he starts saying "hoes mad" and ****, I'll know for sure.

 

[Dee Dude]

'Byleth is a fine choice, just not alongside the others on this Fighter Pass, because I think it doesn't make sense.'- the post.

If you're fine with Byleth, you're fine with Byleth being on the Fighter Pass. Whoever else you think SHOULD'VE been on it can be the next DLC fighter.

There's literally no problem here, except your expectations and what you feel is right and wrong.

The SALT IS REAL.

I mean it’s my opinion, so because I’m fine with an inclusion, I should absolutely be ok with how they’re included? That’s incredible black & white mentality right there.

You don’t find it ridiculous that there’s a row of 3rd parties and they end it off with a 1st party that’s infamous in the fandom when they could’ve just developed it another time?

Guess I should’ve toned down the cap letters in that post otherwise it would’ve been misworded as “lol salt” instead of criticizing something while acknowledging they’ll be an interesting character to play.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Honestly I like Byleth and I don't understand why people are making such a big deal of some other being disappointed. Everyone knew that the fighter 5 would not please everyone and disappointment is normal. Sure toxic behaviour is annoying, but there's a lot of toxic behaviour around Byleth fans too ("the salt is real xDD" "Hoes mad" "Dante fans btfo" ). Just let people say what they think without attacking them.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

It's currently 75 characters at the moment, not 82)

Echo fighters count.

Even when you account for those, that brings the number of swordfighters to just over 20%, which is such an obnoxiously large number.

I mean it’s my opinion

My advice: Don't post here if you dislike Byleth. You'll be labeled a toxic troll, just for that opinion. This place is a cesspit of fanboys.

 

[Schnee117]

Fair enough (It's currently 75 characters at the moment, not 82).

75 leaves out the echoes.

 

[SvartWolf]

Echo fighters count.

Even when you account for those, that brings the number of swordfighters to just over 20%, which is such an obnoxiously large number.

My advice: Don't post here if you dislike Byleth. You'll be labeled a toxic troll, just for that opinion. This place is a cesspit of fanboys.

Or maybe just don't say it with empty arrogance, points that have been discussed to death, absolute ignorance regarding the subject (Byleth) and dissing everyone as people that don't know nothing?

just saying that maybe you would get a better reception.

 

[Diddy Kong]

You don't need to play Fire Emblem to understand these characters. They're nothing.

Your argument is literally nothing. Fire Emblem characters have a lot of persona that's absent in a lot of the other franchises in Smash. They are young Lords or in Ike and Byleth's cases mercenaries who are thrown in the midst of war against their will. Thar sort of **** is character building. You HAVE TO HAVE a personality showcased in the characters to make this **** work. And the characters show drastic different personalities, literally all of the FE cast.

You just proved my point: you actually don't know a single ****ing **** about Fire Emblem. Your argument is literally 100% based on sodium chloride.

And I'm allowed to hate what I hate.

Couldn't care less. You just make yourself look stupid. It's more amusing to me than for your believe me.

You still haven't shown me how Byleth isn't a bad choice "at all."

-From a very well received game that even made it to the Video Game Awards.
-Represents core Fire Emblem game mechanics
-Great unique moveset in a game with loads of sword fighters.
-From a game that's mostly very well loved by Smash fans because most Fire Emblem fans are Smash fans by default (wonder why?)

Don't ever bother try replying even. Byleth is a FANTASTIC choice.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

C'mon guys, the ignore and report buttons are there for a reason. Utilize them.

 

[RoboFist]

Fine, I'll play this game, you rogue...

Joker: 7/10 - I've never played a Persona game, and Joker's playstyle straight up isn't for me, but even I can't deny that he brought a ton of STYLE to an already stylish game. The music tracks he came with and especially that dope Momentos stage were all more than worth it. You can really tell that Sakurai poured his heart and soul into this first Fighter Pack.

Hero: 3/10 - I've dabbled in the DQ franchise and I definitely understand and respect Hero's place in video game history. And I love how they tackled the alts. But damn, guys, he's my absolute least favorite DLC fighter. His playstyle is annoying to play as and against, I literally hate all of his music tracks, and his stage feels like the least inspired. I haven't touched him since his release date.

Banjo-Kazooie: 10/10 - Look, I'll spare you the whole "I've literally been wanting him on the Smash roster for the past 20 years" speech, even though it's true. Just know that I'm a huge fan of those "cereal mascots" collectathons of the N64/PS1 era, especially from Rareware. The second I first tried them out, it felt like I already knew their entire moveset because they were so faithfully recreated. Between the long-awaited announcement, their familiar playstyle, the overwhelming nostalgia, their great selection of songs, their gorgeous stage...look, I'm a satisfied fanboy, so this was a no-brainer.

Terry: 8/10 - I'd never heard of Terry before. I'd never heard of King of Fighters before. Hell, I'd never heard of NEO-GEO or SNK before. I straight up couldn't care less about Terry...until I played him. He's an absolute blast, one of my new favorites to just play for fun. And that music selection! And that STAGE! His stage quickly became one of my favorites in the whole game. Terry was the perfect example of a very pleasant surprise.

I'm stoked for Byleth, but I can't properly rate them without playing them. She LOOKS incredible, and I'm glad we got a proper 3H rep. I JUST started playing the game a week or two ago, ironically enough, so I'm in that honeymoon phase where everything 3H is exciting to me haha.

All in all, definitely an ECLECTIC first Pass, but more than exciting enough for me to put money down on the entirety of the next one!

 

[Icewolff92]

Fair enough (It's currently 75 characters at the moment, not 82). But here's some possible perspective on why people are sick of sword characters:


Smash 64: 1/12 Characters was a sword user. (8%)
Melee: 4/25 Characters were sword users. (16%)
Brawl: 5/35 Characters were sword users. (14%)
Sm4sh: 9/58 Characters were sword users. (15%)
Ultimate: 17/75 Characters were sword users. (22%)

It is a lot to be fair. Don't have time to keep posting here (at work). Have fun with the numbers at least lol.

If it weren¨t for people still pushing for the likes of Dante, Monster Hunter, Sora (who is technically a sword user), I would have agreed with you. Now, its more in line with "hurdurr fire emblem" because its popular to hate on it. To qoute Aaronitmar.

"People would have been hyped about this moveset if it weren¨t for the fact that Byleth is a Fire Emblem character"

 

[krokotopia101]

So, I'm confused here. No one is supposed to like Blythe?

 

[Diddy Kong]

I mean it’s my opinion, so because I’m fine with an inclusion, I should absolutely be ok with how they’re included? That’s incredible black & white mentality right there.

You don’t find it ridiculous that there’s a row of 3rd parties and they end it off with a 1st party that’s infamous in the fandom when they could’ve just developed it another time?

Guess I should’ve toned down the cap letters in that post otherwise it would’ve been misworded as “lol salt” instead of criticizing something while acknowledging they’ll be an interesting character to play.

What difference does it even make if the next batch of fighters are probably gonna be first and 3rd party owned anyway?

 

[Goombaic]

Rewatched nearly every trailer, and Byleth's is easily one of, if not the worst one. It didn't have any surprise factor, the dialogue was corny, and overall it isn't hype inducing at all. It's disappointing, Robin/Lucina's trailer was awesome and Corrin's was at least a bit funny for the absurdity of Corrin leaving their families to fight in Smash instead. Byleth's just wasn't fun.

 

[Icewolff92]

So, I'm confused here. No one is supposed to like Blythe?

That depends on who you ask.

Rewatched nearly every trailer, and Byleth's is easily one of, if not the worst one. It didn't have any surprise factor, the dialogue was corny, and overall it isn't hype inducing at all. It's disappointing, Robin/Lucina's trailer was awesome and Corrin's was at least a bit funny for the absurdity of Corrin keaving their families to fight in Smash instead. Byleth's just wasn't fun.

I argue that Terry did not have any surprise factor either concidering Terry is a no-brainer for an SNK rep. But yeah, even as someone that is hyped about Byleth, his was easily the worst one

 

[I.D.]

"People would have been hyped about this moveset if it weren¨t for the fact that Byleth is a Fire Emblem character"

No ****? Imagine if this was a monster hunter instead or something.

Characters aren't functions.