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Yeah, Yuris sex is maleI didn't remember his gender and didn't want to call him a guy and be wrong.
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Yeah, Yuris sex is maleI didn't remember his gender and didn't want to call him a guy and be wrong.
As someone who bought Taiko no Tatsujin on Switch yesterday after a joke conversation about Don-chan in Smash and promptly fell in love I would be so pleased. This is a Don-chan stan account now.Implying Namco would choose Heihachi or Lloyd instead of DonChan who is the only Namco character that has crossed over with Mario that is not in Smash yet (except for a cameo) and would definitely push Taiko's international sells now that they decided to localize it, plus way more unique than those two and representing rhythm games.
AYY Another Taiko Switch player!As someone who bought Taiko no Tatsujin on Switch yesterday after a joke conversation about Don-chan in Smash and promptly fell in love I would be so pleased. This is a Don-chan stan account now.
Didn't Bandai Namco decide to put Yuri in Project X Zone 2 instead of Lloyd? It seemed interesting to bring up for the topic of how popular each of them are.It aldo boggles my mind how people thing Lloyd would get in over the more popular and more known Yuri
A link to this artwork please? Just want to see it.Yeah... KOS-MOS is not gonna be chosen by either Nintendo or Bandai-Namco, Xenosaga as a series is not seen as profitable to both companies and neither are interested in reviving the series or the character. If she gets chosen it would be entirely on Sakurai's hands (and I heavily doubt this since Nintendo are the ones choosing the characters apparently).
Look at it this way. Back in Smash 4 we had Monolith Software and Bandai Namco collaborate together on the same game, yet KOS-MOS didn't make a single appearance in that game, not even as a Mii costume. Bandai Namco just had their 2020 new year collab art of their IPs and KOS-MOS didn't even appear in it. Harada just said recently Xenosaga is not seen as profitable enough to revive. With all of these information put together, why would either Nintendo or Bandai Namco choose KOS-MOS?
Comparing KOS-MOS to Banjo-Kazooie is ignoring the context of the duo's inclusion, Banjo-Kazooie had ridiculous amount of fan demand and Phil Spencer himself wanted to put the duo in Smash. KOS-MOS doesn't have either strong fan demand or a person at Bandai Namco who wants to push the character to Nintendo. I fail to see how KOS-MOS measures up to Tekken or Tales in terms of priority.
From what I can tell it's basically like this.Didn't Bandai Namco decide to put Yuri in Project X Zone 2 instead of Lloyd? It seemed interesting to bring up for the topic of how popular each of them are.
Unfortunately, you can't boost backwards nonstop: there's a gauge which indicates your mech's cooldown levels. If you overheat it, you'll take extra damage and be unable to back dashdash for 15 seconds.
Metal Wolf's back special is an anti-air move that functions like a down smash (hitting in two directions) that turns him around. Great for hitting airborne opponents directly behind you.
Input for Metal Wolf to slash opponents directly in front of him with a familiar looking weapon (heh). Can pin opponents at the tip. Press the button again for him to follow-up with a projectile beam from the blade.
While using the gatling guns to shoot below himself. Touching him causes damage on impact. The bullets from the gatling gun also deal minor damage and have long range.
He spins around handguns akimbo. Disjoint attack that doesn't count as a projectile. If the Genlock intro can reference this, so can the President! Freeeedom!
Mr. President's taunts are intercom messages from sadistic secretary Jody Crawford. Push the button to overhear Jody casually say crazy stuff like:
Dodge animation: Metal Wolf boosts towards the screen like:
I mean, I don't blame you. I thought he was a chick too until I played the game. He has a very effeminate design to be honest. There are lots of guy characters out there with long hair but rarely do you see it so straight and smooth combined with a baby face. Then he opens his mouth and you're left saying, "Oh, of COURSE I knew it was a guy..."I didn't remember his gender and didn't want to call him a guy and be wrong.
Right hereA link to this artwork please? Just want to see it.
Ok... and why would he certainly be the next Namco rep, as that one guy claimed?I didn't remember his gender and didn't want to call him a guy and be wrong.
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Why didn't they just put "Just according to plan." then?
The drum guy from the (at least mostly) Japanese exclusive Taiko no Tatsujin series.
My experience with the Tales of series is essentially soft locking on Kilia when I tried to play Tales of Symphonia. I couldn't beat her and you can't leave town to go grind. Even if I did grind I don't think I would have had enough money to heal up and certainly wouldn't have enough for replenishing the party's mana. Needless to say I was awful at the game.All I know about Yuri is that he's the most androgynous twink on the planet and his game's story is basically "Murder is ok". I'll admit, I'd be somewhat annoyed if he got in due to my only real Tales experience being my 30 hours into Berseria
It could be a "He's the face of the franchise but fans prefer another" kinda like Ryu and Ken.From what I can tell it's basically like this.
Symphonia was the big one in the west so western people tend to take Lloyd in high regard.
Yuri's banned from official popularity polls because he keeps winning with significantly more votes than the runner ups
I've seen pictures of him about twice, so all I remembered was that he wore purple and had long black hair...Or am I just thinking of Mia?I mean, I don't blame you. I thought he was a chick too until I played the game. He has a very effeminate design to be honest. There are lots of guy characters out there with long hair but rarely do you see it so straight and smooth combined with a baby face. Then he opens his mouth and you're left saying, "Oh, of COURSE I knew it was a guy..."
Google is your friend.I didn't remember his gender and didn't want to call him a guy and be wrong.
I think in general, I think smash fandom does ignore a ton of characters in favors of others (Joker and Terry before reveal for instance) and I agree in general that Yuri has more of a shot then people give him credit. However, I still think Lloyd has the edge for one reason alone, he IS popular within the smash fandom and Yuri isn't. When you look at all of the characters who have been added in ultimate, the belmonts, ridley, dark samus, chrom, King K rool, Banjo and even Hero; all of these characters Sakurai has said they were "popular requests" or referenced the smash ballot when talking about them. And as you stated, Lloyd definitely has the edge when you take the ballot as a metric. Meanwhile with Yuri's greatest strength, that he is super popular within the Tales fandom, may not even be a factor considering I don't think Sakurai has ever talked about adding a character because "they were popular within that fandom" (correct me if I'm wrong). If that was the case, we would have Yu over Joker, and Alucard over Simon. Tales as a whole is also too niche to have a character with "mainstream popularity" like Cloud. Again, not saying that Yuri has no chance, in fact I put it 60/40 in Lloyds favor, just saying my opinion on the matter. It will probably be a agree to disagree situation.I always bring this up, and people keep on posting the same interview from 2015 about "Sakurai says Lloyd is the only choice". This was when Yuri's games had never released on the Switch; and Sakurai was split on Cloud because "he doesn't have a huge presence on Nintendo". Keep in mind Cloud is basically the poster boy for the entire genre. Even Itsuno said Dante wasn't possible last year, because of no Nintendo presence.
I accept that it's more of a 50/50 chance of Yuri vs Lloyd getting in. It depends on if Sakurai prioritizes the base series, or the Smash fanbase more. But so far only the most popular characters of each 3rd party series have gotten into Smash. However, I understand that the big difference is that Yuri is more popular, while Lloyd is more requested (within the Smash fanbase).
That said, I just want more people to know that both characters have just as good of a shot as each other. Most of the "evidence" for Lloyd works just as well, if not more so in Yuri's favor.
Idk, Lloyd being the 'face' seemed to be a mostly western thing from what I can gather. Yuri's still the main character of his game and again, got banned from official polls to give other characters a shot. That's like an official Pokemon popularity poll removing Pikachu, Mewtwo and Charizard from the listMy experience with the Tales of series is essentially soft locking on Kilia when I tried to play Tales of Symphonia. I couldn't beat her and you can't leave town to go grind. Even if I did grind I don't think I would have had enough money to heal up and certainly wouldn't have enough for replenishing the party's mana. Needless to say I was awful at the game.
It could be a "He's the face of the franchise but fans prefer another" kinda like Ryu and Ken.
I've seen pictures of him about twice, so all I remembered was that he wore purple and had long black hair...Or am I just thinking of Mia?
I couldn't agree more. I can't see KOS-MOS as a likely pick.Yeah... KOS-MOS is not gonna be chosen by either Nintendo or Bandai-Namco, Xenosaga as a series is not seen as profitable to both companies and neither are interested in reviving the series or the character. If she gets chosen it would be entirely on Sakurai's hands (and I heavily doubt this since Nintendo are the ones choosing the characters apparently).
Look at it this way. Back in Smash 4 we had Monolith Software and Bandai Namco collaborate together on the same game, yet KOS-MOS didn't make a single appearance in that game, not even as a Mii costume. Bandai Namco just had their 2020 new year collab art of their IPs and KOS-MOS didn't even appear in it. Harada just said recently Xenosaga is not seen as profitable enough to revive. With all of these information put together, why would either Nintendo or Bandai Namco choose KOS-MOS?
Comparing KOS-MOS to Banjo-Kazooie is ignoring the context of the duo's inclusion, Banjo-Kazooie had ridiculous amount of fan demand and Phil Spencer himself wanted to put the duo in Smash. KOS-MOS doesn't have either strong fan demand or a person at Bandai Namco who wants to push the character to Nintendo. I fail to see how KOS-MOS measures up to Tekken or Tales in terms of priority.
Dunno. I thought he was kidding. I just know that he's a cute little drum guy and the goal of the game is to smack him in the face to make people dance.Ok... and why would he certainly be the next Namco rep, as that one guy claimed?
And laziness isn't but here we are.Google is your friend.
Fair point.Idk, Lloyd being the 'face' seemed to be a mostly western thing from what I can gather. Yuri's still the main character of his game and again, got banned from official polls to give other characters a shot. That's like an official Pokemon popularity poll removing Pikachu, Mewtwo and Charizard from the list
Wonder if they'll add Yu in a sequel at some point...If that was the case, we would have Yu over Joker, and Alucard over Simon.
"Sorry, but I'll have to cancel that. I'm heading out to save America!"Now you might not know who Michael Wilson is, but I assure you, he needs no lengthy introduction. He's the President of the United States and he fights in a mecha and has a shark gun.
Yu's final smash is electric shock therapy to force his opponents to conform to society while Yosuke says bigoted ****, can't waitDunno. I thought he was kidding. I just know that he's a cute little drum guy and the goal of the game is to smack him in the face to make people dance.
And laziness isn't but here we are.
Fair point.
Wonder if they'll add Yu in a sequel at some point...
I'm not denying that Lloyd is decently iconic in the Tales franchise, because he is. But what I'm saying is that Yuri is a bigger money maker (and more well known inside JP), and it makes more sense to include him in terms of sales. As a bonus point, Vesperia is actually on the Switch unlike Symphonia; meaning that there is a higher chance of cross promotion for both Namco and Nintendo.Nintendo presence isn't a hard rule, though.
It wasn't about Cloud having a huge presence. What he said was he wasn't sure if he'd have added him if he had no appearance on a Nintendo console, something he thought of in hindsight(meaning it wasn't really on his mind at the time). It wasn't really a big factor. He already wanted Cloud. Having a Nintendo appearance is a boon because it makes negotiating with a previous contractor a bit easier, but for the most part, it doesn't always do a lot. FF being heavily with Nintendo in itself was probably more important in comparison than a tiny few appearances.
Lloyd is severely popular and well known in the West. Symphonia was a breakout game for Tales of. There's a reason it's held in high regard. Yuri's Nintendo presence isn't going to actually help much to begin with. That's not a heavy factor. There's more to it than that. Lloyd's is also a bigger Nintendo presence as is, which if you want to include a Nintendo factor, it favors Lloyd way more. But being as that's not a big deal in itself, it's a pretty close tie between the two characters. Besides that, you do know when it comes to "being on Nintendo", he was solely talking about 3rd parties and specifically them being playable as a full character, right? Costumes were not really part of that context. They could potentially correlate, but it doesn't make them causation either. I wouldn't take the statement to mean any content as is. Especially when some content can literally be a preview for a game that isn't out yet(Shadow Moses Island had a Metal Gear Solid 4 preview content as a bit of a bonus). MGS being decently known on Nintendo is one thing, but the content itself is non-Nintendo, so it's not as simple. For a lot, Lloyd is pretty much the icon of Tales of(though there's no question Nintendo bias is a part of it. But see Banjo for a similar thing, plus, it did help get him in since that's the core reason for the huge fan demand).
If KOS-MOS does get in, then she will be entirely Sakurai's choice, as most likely Nintendo and Namco Bandai have no interest in her or her series.In response to the "Why would KOS-MOS get in over Lloyd or Heihachi" thing earlier, one factor from what I've seen is Gameplay reasons for a characters inclusion. It is one of the Top three big reasons why I imagine Sakurai picks a character(Other than popularity and possible costs) and sometimes that can overtake popularity.
If Sakurai picks her over those two, it'd probably because she brings in a gameplay niche not filled in Smash yet or one that has few characters in. Though that's my thoughts. And I do remember Sakurai saying he considered Heihachi but didn't know how to make him work in Smash, though I bet you that likely changed if Heihachi is DLC.
Just some food for thoughts.
I guess gameplay is one reason why I'd see Sakurai pick KOS-MOS, I still have my doubts over her since nothing really is pointing towards her besides a couple of fake leaks that were debunked.In response to the "Why would KOS-MOS get in over Lloyd or Heihachi" thing earlier, one factor from what I've seen is Gameplay reasons for a characters inclusion. It is one of the Top three big reasons why I imagine Sakurai picks a character(Other than popularity and possible costs) and sometimes that can overtake popularity.
If Sakurai picks her over those two, it'd probably because she brings in a gameplay niche not filled in Smash yet or one that has few characters in. Though that's my thoughts. And I do remember Sakurai saying he considered Heihachi but didn't know how to make him work in Smash, though I bet you that likely changed if Heihachi is DLC.
Just some food for thoughts.
EX moves wouldn't necessarily be input commands. It'd be something like pressing A and B at the same time, as well as a direction depending on which special you wanted to EX. It'd still be pretty simple.Whatever makes the "smash players are scared of input commands" meme disappear
I did consider those. Since the EX move mechanic is basically Cloud's limit break made universal for everybody, he wouldn't really change all that much. Down+B would probably do nothing once he was at full meter and only EX down+B would be finishing touch. However, you'd have two EX meter stocks, so in a way Cloud would be buffed from having it since he'd be able to perform two EX moves instead of one, but so would everyone else.EDIT: This made me realize EX Limit Breaks or EX Menu need to be considered too
Joker is a loose example. He was already determined on his own merits, being from P5, not from the spin-off 3DS game. But that's why it's loose, cause it's still a full game appearance.I'm not denying that Lloyd is decently iconic in the Tales franchise, because he is. But what I'm saying is that Yuri is a bigger money maker (and more well known inside JP), and it makes more sense to include him in terms of sales. As a bonus point, Vesperia is actually on the Switch unlike Symphonia; meaning that there is a higher chance of cross promotion for both Namco and Nintendo.
I was actually wondering if there were any costumes/characters in Smash 4 that had 0 major appearances on a Nintendo console. Obviously Cloud not withstanding. As far as I recall all of them had a previous major appearance on a Nintendo system, but I may be mistaken on that note. If there weren't, then it may make sense why Sakurai did not give Yuri a costume in Smash 4.
Yeah, in defense of KOS-MOS, she would have a vastly original moveset in contrast to Lloyd and Heihachi. I personally feel that we have plenty of "Classic" fighting characters (Ryu, Ken, Terry) and typical swordfighters (FE characters, Hero, Cloud, Metaknight, Link triplets, Shulk, etc.). She, on the other hand, could offer an original combination of both gunner AND swordfighter attributes combined with speed and agility. Plus, we could bring some much needed variance to our otherwise sausage fest DLC pack. Not to say we HAVE to have a female, but again, it adds variance.In response to the "Why would KOS-MOS get in over Lloyd or Heihachi" thing earlier, one factor from what I've seen is Gameplay reasons for a characters inclusion. It is one of the Top three big reasons why I imagine Sakurai picks a character(Other than popularity and possible costs) and sometimes that can overtake popularity.
If Sakurai picks her over those two, it'd probably because she brings in a gameplay niche not filled in Smash yet or one that has few characters in. Though that's my thoughts. And I do remember Sakurai saying he considered Heihachi but didn't know how to make him work in Smash, though I bet you that likely changed if Heihachi is DLC.
Just some food for thoughts.
KOS-MOS would also add more diversity in general. Lloyd and Heihachi are similar to Hero and Terry respectively in terms of feel (and perhaps audience as well) with the former being a high fantasy swordsman and the latter being a big muscley fighting man. KOS-MOS being a robotic character with guns would be much differant than those as well as Joker and Banjo & Kazooie.In response to the "Why would KOS-MOS get in over Lloyd or Heihachi" thing earlier, one factor from what I've seen is Gameplay reasons for a characters inclusion. It is one of the Top three big reasons why I imagine Sakurai picks a character(Other than popularity and possible costs) and sometimes that can overtake popularity.
If Sakurai picks her over those two, it'd probably because she brings in a gameplay niche not filled in Smash yet or one that has few characters in. Though that's my thoughts. And I do remember Sakurai saying he considered Heihachi but didn't know how to make him work in Smash, though I bet you that likely changed if Heihachi is DLC.
Just some food for thoughts.
that is the best description of Yuri I have ever seenThere are lots of guy characters out there with long hair but rarely do you see it so straight and smooth combined with a baby face.
Are we talking about the same characters? I haven't yet heard a line from Yu's mouth that wasn't about friendship, and Yosuke something that wasn't derpy. Though I suppose I just got the nutshell version of them from BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle so I dunno.Yu's final smash is electric shock therapy to force his opponents to conform to society while Yosuke says bigoted ****, can't wait
as long as he comes with his boyfriend -bestfriend Yosuke Ill be downWonder if they'll add Yu in a sequel at some point...
That's some good ass propaganda that will sadly never make it to Super Smash. Thanks the reference though because barely anybody bought that s***.Liberation Maiden
Tekken is a 3D Fighter so it's nothing like Street Fighter or King of Fighters.KOS-MOS would also add more diversity in general. Lloyd and Heihachi are similar to Hero and Terry respectively in terms of feel (and perhaps audience as well) with the former being a high fantasy swordsman and the latter being a big muscley fighting man. KOS-MOS being a robotic character with guns would be much differant than those as well as Joker and Banjo & Kazooie.
I can't picture KOS-MOS for the life of me though. My brain keeps pulling up pictures of Nu. 13 instead.
I'm joking about how P4 really **** the bed when it came to it's societal themes and how Yosuke, a character who was planned to be the gay romance option only for the part where he comes out and admits his behaivour was him struggling with his bisexuality to get cut, act homophobic with no real reason beyond being a ****Are we talking about the same characters? I haven't yet heard a line from Yu's mouth that wasn't about friendship, and Yosuke something that wasn't derpy. Though I suppose I just got the nutshell version of them from BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle so I dunno.
Yeah, I pretty much agree with you entirely. I'm just stating that personally I think Yuri has as good of a shot as Lloyd currently; but if Sakurai stated that post-pass is entirely fan-favorites, then I'd be inclined to believe that the only Tales option would be Lloyd.I think in general, I think smash fandom does ignore a ton of characters in favors of others (Joker and Terry before reveal for instance) and I agree in general that Yuri has more of a shot then people give him credit. However, I still think Lloyd has the edge for one reason alone, he IS popular within the smash fandom and Yuri isn't. When you look at all of the characters who have been added in ultimate, the belmonts, ridley, dark samus, chrom, King K rool, Banjo and even Hero; all of these characters Sakurai has said they were "popular requests" or referenced the smash ballot when talking about them. And as you stated, Lloyd definitely has the edge when you take the ballot as a metric. Meanwhile with Yuri's greatest strength, that he is super popular within the Tales fandom, may not even be a factor considering I don't think Sakurai has ever talked about adding a character because "they were popular within that fandom" (correct me if I'm wrong). If that was the case, we would have Yu over Joker, and Alucard over Simon. Tales as a whole is also too niche to have a character with "mainstream popularity" like Cloud. Again, not saying that Yuri has no chance, in fact I put it 60/40 in Lloyds favor, just saying my opinion on the matter. It will probably be a agree to disagree situation.
I think another important thing to note when talking about post pass is that we don't know what metric Sakurai/ Nintendo are using post pass. For example, if they start with some highly requested character and reiterate they want to "please the fans", then Lloyd probably has the edge. If they want to appeal to the core fandoms, they pick Yuri. However, until they reveal the thought process for post pass, we can't really determine which one is more likely. Just my opinion on this though.
I say this as a fan od P4 and P5. P4 feels so much better then P5. and damn, I love all of P4s charactersPersona 5 is on a whole another league of popularity compared to Persona 4 in modern
Baboom utilizing DonChan as a weapon confirmed.Implying Namco would choose Heihachi or Lloyd instead of DonChan who is the only Namco character that has crossed over with Mario that is not in Smash yet (except for a cameo) and would definitely push Taiko's international sells now that they decided to localize it, plus way more unique than those two and representing rhythm games.
Dragon Quest 11 was on the 3DS too so he doesn't count.Cloud's really the only example thusfar. Technically Luminary too, since that appearance wasn't till after he was added in.
Yosuke was a bit of an ass early on in P4 but as you play the game more, Yosuke got so much betterAre we talking about the same characters? I haven't yet heard a line from Yu's mouth that wasn't about friendship, and Yosuke something that wasn't derpy. Though I suppose I just got the nutshell version of them from BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle so I dunno.
They're way too different from each other to be alts. I'm not the biggest Tales expert but I can tell from looking at them that it's hard to implement a character with two swords and a character with one sword as alts to each other.For Lloyd and Yuri, couldn't they just do a "One for Japan, one for America" type of deal like the Dragon Quest Heroes? Are Lloyd and Yuri that vastly different from each other that they couldn't be alts?