Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SKX31]

Hey! You can be close to your future father in law!



Yeah, it's almost eerily quiet from Nintendo right now. Obviously, we're coming off an absolutely insane year for Nintendo that is easily one of their best of all time. Seriously, 2019 was probably better than 2017 in my eyes, which I never expected coming off of how good a year that was. 2017 had Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Splatoon 2, Super Mario Odyssey, and Xenoblade Chronicles 2... but then 2019 had amazing Smash DLC characters, Super Mario Maker 2, Fire Emblem Three Houses, Astral Chain, Link's Awakening, Luigi's Mansion 3, and Pokemon Sword and Shield (I'm having a blast with them, so, they're definitely a big deal for me). It just feels like Nintendo might need another breather year in the same way 2018 was...

But still, there have to be some more surprises and there are still a handful of obvious ports Nintendo could make such as Pikmin 3 or Super Mario 3D World to fill out the year. And there are still some looming projects like No More Heroes III, Shin Megami Tensei V, Bayonetta 3, and Breath of the Wild 2 that could easily show up. It's also worth pointing out that the last time we went into a year knowing very little about what was coming (2018) we got a Mini Direct in January and a general Direct in March that did a lot of work, so there's some degree of precedent for announcements early in the year from Nintendo when there is otherwise little known about their release schedule. That said, I just don't know how much Nintendo could realistically have left at this point when they've had so many incredible releases back to back and I'm struggling to come up with studios of theirs that would be in a good place to release a new project or content...

I could def. see some wildcards thrown in there too. Perhaps with further third party collabs a la Mario and Rabbids / Cadence of Hyrule. I'm not counting on them being the main focus at all - but I wouldn't be surprised if another game or two turned out to be such a collaboration. Keep a keen eye on Tencent here: they've publicly announced their intent to develop console games starring Nintendo characters. Specifically for US / EU audiences at that* (although those plans are subject to Nintendo approving or not - Nintendo holds the cards here and are likely to keep a tight leash on any such projects**). It's worth noting that their main mobile devs TiMi are already developing a mobile Pokemon game.

And if I may veer into full third party: Another project of interest would be League of Legends: Wild Rift (Mobile / Console version of LoL, natch. Target date 2020). And with Wild Rift's job listing mentioning the Switch, it's very likely going to be a major title.

Also, would count visual novels as being a major factor here. And not just because of the genre's presence in multiple regions, but also since Nintendo's allowing ports of them en masse. Problem is, there's a real lack of a headliner in that category AFAIK. If (and I do mean If) Capcom's working on a new Phoenix Wright / Ace Attorney game that could be a strong title for 2020. AFAIK the series hasn't touched the Switch just yet, so could see that. But again, keyword's if - there's no guarantee it'll happen.

As for Nintendo themselves... yeah I've got nothin' aside from what you said. Metroid Prime 4 looks to be further down the line, whether a Odyssey 2 happens soon is kinda up in the air it seems.

*(Tencent wanting to expand into consoles and US / EU is probably them no longer being able to coast on just China / studios they own - long story there, involving a massive scandal. And the move doesn't exactly signal strength on their end. Not when Tencent said in the same article that they want to learn how to make console games. Also, that article has #QouteOfTheYear:

"Nintendo games are not constructed to make people pay a lot of money" [EDIT: I have literally no comment on this. The comment baffles me even now, one month after first reading it.])

**(I'm fully aware that Ninty's mobile offerings are a lot more microtransacation-y, but as you've said, luckily Nintendo treats mobile more as its own thing and doesn't let the consoles veer the same way for the most part.)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Has Shinobi said anything lately? He's our last hope at this point... VR Plant doesn't say anything until 24 hours prior to a reveal iirc

 

[wynn728]

Man, when are they going to make DLC Costume for the actual characters? Evil Ryu, Bowser in his wedding suit, Joker in SMT IV Samurai uniform, Link in the other BotW armor set, Bayonetta in what could be her third game look, Solid Snake in a tuxedo, Fire Emblem characters in their Class Promotion form. There's so many great costume potential that people will pay money for. I rather have that then these Mii Fighter Costumes, give us costume for characters that people prefer to play as.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

My wtf newcomer addition would be Chase McCain, ngl.

Pretty unlikely but completely eligible. He even has alt already made for him lol

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Does this count?

Blackquill makes sense for him tbh

Bruh we need a courtroom battle between Phoenix and Jokers sister-in law.

Man, when are they going to make DLC Costume for the actual characters? Evil Ryu, Bowser in his wedding suit, Joker in SMT IV Samurai uniform, Link in the other BotW armor set, Bayonetta in what could be her third game look, Solid Snake in a tuxedo, Fire Emblem characters in their Class Promotion form. There's so many great costume potential that people will pay money for. I rather have that then these Mii Fighter Costumes, give us costume for characters that people prefer to play as.

I'm honestly surprised the class upgrades AREN'T alt skins for the fire emblem cast.

 

[Will]

Has Shinobi said anything lately? He's our last hope at this point... VR Plant doesn't say anything until 24 hours prior to a reveal iirc

Everyone knows him as Banjo man for now, he might just dip in the dark until whenever he feels like leaking stuff again.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

I'm surprised no one is talking about that event with Platinum Games/Yoko Taro/Sakurai all in it. I wouldn't be surprised of they announce a new nier game but what I'm really hoping for is 2B to be announced for Smash. seems like the perfect time

 

[Morning Raven]

No one is guaranteed, but people have been asking for Travis since Brawl (fun fact: a game Suda worked on in some capacity). More importantly, Suda has been very vocal/enthusiastic about getting Travis in Smash for years. There's also a bit of mutual respect between Sakurai and Suda: the two met at a No More Heroes launch party.

I can't name many game designers/directors/producers/CEOs on Suda's level who has been as adamant about getting their character in Smash as long as him. He also has the fan support, which probably increases which each new No More Heroes installment.

Speaking of which, No More Heroes has a strong Nintendo connection. Two out of three of the mainline games are Nintendo exclusive, and the original started off as one. In many ways, he reminds me of Bayonetta. They're two kooky, standout protagonists from very great Mature rated games whose creators have publicly expressed interest in Smash. Having a Sakurai connection isn't a determining factor, but it can help (see: Snake). Having a Nintendo connection isn't a determining factor, but it can't hurt. Being used to promote upcoming games isn't the most important thing, but it's been done before. Popularity isn't everything, but it's been taken into consideration. Appealing to a broader demographic (i.e. a mature one in this instance) has its perks. Travis is a Japanese character who is more popular in the West, which also has its own benefits. Overall, he's a character who has a little bit of everything going for him. Again, I don't consider anyone a lock, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ever happened. And if it did? Hoo boy. That would be awesome. Especially if we get a Shinobu Jacobs and/or Henry Cooldown echo.

Not gonna lie, half of your description just reminds me of Matt Bozon and Shantae. But No More Heroes seems like an interesting franchise I've walked past.

Idk if this was shown in the last day or not, but there's a new Miku/pokemon collab thing that was shown on Twitter. Some Japan only event up in Hokkaido.

Spoiler: link here

https://twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/1210094115205079040?s=20

The event is taking place the week before Miku's new Project Diva game, which will be Feb 13th this next year. Good timeframe for F5 slot. (And just being a super cute pic)

 

[wynn728]

I'm surprised no one is talking about that event with Platinum Games/Yoko Taro/Sakurai all in it. I wouldn't be surprised of they announce a new nier game but what I'm really hoping for is 2B to be announced for Smash. seems like the perfect time

They never announce Smash Bros character reveals at events like that. Nintendo usually wants to be in control of those types of announcement so they won't let others handle it. It has to an event like E3 or Game Awards, that's just how Nintendo operates. Now I would love for NieR Automata to be announced for Switch at that event, that would be cool.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm surprised no one is talking about that event with Platinum Games/Yoko Taro/Sakurai all in it. I wouldn't be surprised of they announce a new nier game but what I'm really hoping for is 2B to be announced for Smash. seems like the perfect time

All the talk about 2B convinced me to buy the game using my Christmas money when I went Boxing Day shopping yesterday. I would be all down for her inclusion especially to see how she plays and intend to play the game eventually.

 

[Megadoomer]

I'm surprised no one is talking about that event with Platinum Games/Yoko Taro/Sakurai all in it. I wouldn't be surprised of they announce a new nier game but what I'm really hoping for is 2B to be announced for Smash. seems like the perfect time

It's very rare for Nintendo to make Smash announcements outside of things that they directly control, like Nintendo Directs or E3 presentations. There are exceptions, like a Smash direct being announced at EVO 2018, or Joker being announced at the Game Awards, but they are VERY rare and VERY recent.

Also, Sakurai seems to be involved because everyone involved is a game developer who's born in 1970, and he thought that idea was interesting. His inclusion does seem a little unusual, seeing as he's the only one who has nothing to do with Nier Automata, but then again, he's a big name in the industry who's fan of the series.

Either way, I looked it up and it turns out that the stream/event happened last Tuesday (you can use the Translate Tweet button to get a rough idea of what it says), so obviously, we didn't get any big news out of it (or at least nothing Nintendo-related).

 

[StormC]

Has Shinobi said anything lately? He's our last hope at this point... VR Plant doesn't say anything until 24 hours prior to a reveal iirc

Shinobi doesn't usually leak for Nintendo. He has connections to Microsoft, which is how he (probably) learned about Banjo, since Banjo was known by some people since 2018 also through Microsoft/Rare.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Think we'll see another surprise "pic of the day" soon? When do they usually occur, at what time?

 

[yeet123]

Everyone knows him as Banjo man for now, he might just dip in the dark until whenever he feels like leaking stuff again.

shinobi only peeks his head out of his hole around E3, right?

 

[Ridrool64]

What if we get a January Direct and there's still no Smash and it's not even brought up. Wouldn't that suck?

 

[Dark Bagel]

No one is guaranteed, but people have been asking for Travis since Brawl (fun fact: a game Suda worked on in some capacity). More importantly, Suda has been very vocal/enthusiastic about getting Travis in Smash for years. There's also a bit of mutual respect between Sakurai and Suda: the two met at a No More Heroes launch party.

I can't name many game designers/directors/producers/CEOs on Suda's level who has been as adamant about getting their character in Smash as long as him. He also has the fan support, which probably increases which each new No More Heroes installment.

Speaking of which, No More Heroes has a strong Nintendo connection. Two out of three of the mainline games are Nintendo exclusive, and the original started off as one. In many ways, he reminds me of Bayonetta. They're two kooky, standout protagonists from very great Mature rated games whose creators have publicly expressed interest in Smash. Having a Sakurai connection isn't a determining factor, but it can help (see: Snake). Having a Nintendo connection isn't a determining factor, but it can't hurt. Being used to promote upcoming games isn't the most important thing, but it's been done before. Popularity isn't everything, but it's been taken into consideration. Appealing to a broader demographic (i.e. a mature one in this instance) has its perks. Travis is a Japanese character who is more popular in the West, which also has its own benefits. Overall, he's a character who has a little bit of everything going for him. Again, I don't consider anyone a lock, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ever happened. And if it did? Hoo boy. That would be awesome. Especially if we get a Shinobu Jacobs and/or Henry Cooldown echo.

Great write-up as always, KatKit. In my eyes, Travis has always been a character that I could very easily envision as part of the Smash roster, moreso than any other prospective fighter. Despite my unfamiliarity with the NMH series, he always just seemed to be someone that looked like a "perfect fit" for a Smash newcomer, and I never could quite put my finger on why, until now. Thanks for summing up all his sticking points quite nicely, and for reaffirming what makes him such a strong contender.

And also, I had no clue Travis is bigger here in the west than he is in Japan, despite that being his place of origin. That's super interesting.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Everyone knows him as Banjo man for now

Thanks to your post, I can't get the image of Shinobi (as his avatar) playing a banjo all alone in a swamp out of my head.

I could def. see some wildcards thrown in there too. Perhaps with further third party collabs a la Mario and Rabbids / Cadence of Hyrule. I'm not counting on them being the main focus at all - but I wouldn't be surprised if another game or two turned out to be such a collaboration. Keep a keen eye on Tencent here: they've publicly announced their intent to develop console games starring Nintendo characters. Specifically for US / EU audiences at that* (although those plans are subject to Nintendo approving or not - Nintendo holds the cards here and are likely to keep a tight leash on any such projects**). It's worth noting that their main mobile devs TiMi are already developing a mobile Pokemon game.

And if I may veer into full third party: Another project of interest would be League of Legends: Wild Rift (Mobile / Console version of LoL, natch. Target date 2020). And with Wild Rift's job listing mentioning the Switch, it's very likely going to be a major title.

Considering Wild Rift is releasing the same year for the Switch as it presumably will in other consoles, I'd argue this is going to make a way bigger splash than Overwatch did, because it's closer to the actual release of the game and Wild Rift is, as stated by Riot themselves, more than a simple port of League, with several new mechanics adapted to mobile and console.

That said... which studios connected to Tencent could develop games for the Switch with Nintendo IPs? Considering their respective areas of expertise... some spinoffs for Zelda and Fire Emblem would be nice.

 

[Megadoomer]

What if we get a January Direct and there's still no Smash and it's not even brought up. Wouldn't that suck?

Depends on what else gets revealed. If the fifth fighters pass character gets delayed for some reason or another and doesn't come out in February, I can accept that. I've waited two years for any news on Bayonetta 3 beyond the fact that it exists; I can wait a month or two for news on the next Smash character.

EDIT: Besides, there would hopefully be plenty of other things that are revealed, whether it's new games or DLC; I can't imagine that they'd have a content drought between Pokemon Sword/Shield and E3 2020.

 

[SKX31]

Considering Wild Rift is releasing the same year for the Switch as it presumably will in other consoles, I'd argue this is going to make a way bigger splash than Overwatch did, because it's closer to the actual release of the game and Wild Rift is, as stated by Riot themselves, more than a simple port of League, with several new mechanics adapted to mobile and console.

That said... which studios connected to Tencent could develop games for the Switch with Nintendo IPs? Considering their respective areas of expertise... some spinoffs for Zelda and Fire Emblem would be nice.

I know of two primary candidates Tencent has:

TiMi: Their mobile developers, as said. They are the ones behind CoD Mobile, one version of PUBG Mobile (its Chinese version, Game For Peace / Peacekeeper Elite, is ridicolous* and has a bizarre history behind it) etc. Thing is, TiMi's also one of Tencent's primary money-makers, not least because they are heavy microtransaction pushers. (The reason why China in general gravitated towards F2P is basically: normal $60 games were heavily restricted by the Chinese government for the longest time, so it became a question of either F2P or grey market / pirate stuff. This affected how KOF and Touhou thrived there by the way, through grey market / piracy.)

I think Resetrera speculated that their Pokemon game could be a Pokemon MOBA or BR (which wouldn't be out of character for Tencent as a company - Tencent's founder, Pony Ma, is infamous in China for saying stuff like "Copying is not evil" IIRC. Many, if not most Chinese who know of Pony really dislike his and Tencent's perchant for copying). There's been no info on that game though recently, it's a major wait and see.

NeXT Studios: Tencent's indie studio and the ones I'd personally prefer over TiMi by miles. NeXT is behind heavily praised Steam titles like Bladed Fury, Iris.Fall and Death Coming. They're also relatively independent from Tencent IIRC - they're not afraid to take some risks with their games.

And as a bonus, NeXT are actually porting their games to the Switch currently (Iris.Fall being one of the announced games). Really, I could see them doing something like Fire Emblem, Kirby or even Star Fox / F-Zero and actually do a pretty damn good job at it. Besides, more indie / indie-esque games for the Switch are always a plus no matter where they come from.

*When I said Chinese PUBG was ridicolous I meant it. Tencent:

A) developed two PUBG versions for China
B) shelved them both when it turned neither could be monetized there
C) Cloned one of them, sanitized the game and added some blatant marketing for the Chinese Air Force for good measure (Getting to America's Army levels here).

How sanitized? Hoo boy:

"Ow, you got me! Here, have some lootboxes!"
​

And as the linked article notes: "On social media, gamers joked about Tencent’s “urge to survive” under China's heavy regulation. Just hours after the game was launched, hashtags such as #GameforPeace'sUrgetoSurvive and #WavingGoodbyeinGameforPeace were trending on Weibo [Chinese Twitter]. " But Game For Peace / Peacekeeper Elite got approved for monetization - and Tencent laughed all the way to the bank. PUBG Mobile is incredibly easy to get even with low-end smartphones (that explains why it's huge in India), so that's why it got popular. Even when the "killed" person's dropping boxes.

 

[Koopaul]

As a big Nintendo fan there is lots for me to be excited for in a Nintendo Direct. If by some weird circumstance tjere is no Smash reveal, I will still be excited to see new Nintendo games regardless.

 

[Deleted member]

What if we get a January Direct and there's still no Smash and it's not even brought up. Wouldn't that suck?

Harder. Worst money of my life.

 

[Flyboy]

I want to add one more thing to the Travis Touchdown-Smash connection, and it's that No More Heroes 2 was actually worked on and released earlier than intended after Super Smash Bros. Brawl's delay. Nintendo needed a game to fill the gap in the release schedule, and SUDA51 took the challenge head on. He's even given a special thanks in the Brawl credits as a result.

Travis and Smash are tied together.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I know of two primary candidates Tencent has:

TiMi: Their mobile developers, as said. They are the ones behind CoD Mobile, one version of PUBG Mobile (its Chinese version, Game For Peace / Peacekeeper Elite, is ridicolous* and has a bizarre history behind it) etc. Thing is, TiMi's also one of Tencent's primary money-makers, not least because they are heavy microtransaction pushers. (The reason why China in general gravitated towards F2P is basically: normal $60 games were heavily restricted by the Chinese government for the longest time, so it became a question of either F2P or grey market / pirate stuff. This affected how KOF and Touhou thrived there by the way, through grey market / piracy.)

I think Resetrera speculated that their Pokemon game could be a Pokemon MOBA or BR (which wouldn't be out of character for Tencent as a company - Tencent's founder, Pony Ma, is infamous in China for saying stuff like "Copying is not evil" IIRC. Many, if not most Chinese who know of Pony really dislike his and Tencent's perchant for copying). There's been no info on that game though recently, it's a major wait and see.

NeXT Studios: Tencent's indie studio and the ones I'd personally prefer over TiMi by miles. NeXT is behind heavily praised Steam titles like Bladed Fury, Iris.Fall and Death Coming. They're also relatively independent from Tencent IIRC - they're not afraid to take some risks with their games.

And as a bonus, NeXT are actually porting their games to the Switch currently (Iris.Fall being one of the announced games). Really, I could see them doing something like Fire Emblem, Kirby or even Star Fox / F-Zero and actually do a pretty damn good job at it. Besides, more indie / indie-esque games for the Switch are always a plus no matter where they come from.

*When I said Chinese PUBG was ridicolous I meant it. Tencent:

A) developed two PUBG versions for China
B) shelved them both when it turned neither could be monetized there
C) Cloned one of them, sanitized the game and added some blatant marketing for the Chinese Air Force for good measure (Getting to America's Army levels here).

How sanitized? Hoo boy:

"Ow, you got me! Here, have some lootboxes!"
​

And as the linked article notes: "On social media, gamers joked about Tencent’s “urge to survive” under China's heavy regulation. Just hours after the game was launched, hashtags such as #GameforPeace'sUrgetoSurvive and #WavingGoodbyeinGameforPeace were trending on Weibo [Chinese Twitter]. " But Game For Peace / Peacekeeper Elite got approved for monetization - and Tencent laughed all the way to the bank. PUBG Mobile is incredibly easy to get even with low-end smartphones (that explains why it's huge in India), so that's why it got popular. Even when the "killed" person's dropping boxes.

I'm sorry but i just can't stop laughing at that gif, it's funny in a "why does this exist" way

and NeXT doing Star Fox or F-Zero you say...? Sounds promising

 

[Megadoomer]

I want to add one more thing to the Travis Touchdown-Smash connection, and it's that No More Heroes 2 was actually worked on and released earlier than intended after Super Smash Bros. Brawl's delay. Nintendo needed a game to fill the gap in the release schedule, and SUDA51 took the challenge head on. He's even given a special thanks in the Brawl credits as a result.

Travis and Smash are tied together.

Do you have a source for that? I was wondering why Suda51's name was in Brawl's credits, and it would be nice to have that answered.

 

[Deleted member]

I see today's topic is about Travis from No More Heroes, so let me just say that Goddamn Superhero trailer was so good it made me want to see Travis in Smash more than before.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I know of two primary candidates Tencent has:

TiMi: Their mobile developers, as said. They are the ones behind CoD Mobile, one version of PUBG Mobile (its Chinese version, Game For Peace / Peacekeeper Elite, is ridicolous* and has a bizarre history behind it) etc. Thing is, TiMi's also one of Tencent's primary money-makers, not least because they are heavy microtransaction pushers. (The reason why China in general gravitated towards F2P is basically: normal $60 games were heavily restricted by the Chinese government for the longest time, so it became a question of either F2P or grey market / pirate stuff. This affected how KOF and Touhou thrived there by the way, through grey market / piracy.)

I think Resetrera speculated that their Pokemon game could be a Pokemon MOBA or BR (which wouldn't be out of character for Tencent as a company - Tencent's founder, Pony Ma, is infamous in China for saying stuff like "Copying is not evil" IIRC. Many, if not most Chinese who know of Pony really dislike his and Tencent's perchant for copying). There's been no info on that game though recently, it's a major wait and see.

NeXT Studios: Tencent's indie studio and the ones I'd personally prefer over TiMi by miles. NeXT is behind heavily praised Steam titles like Bladed Fury, Iris.Fall and Death Coming. They're also relatively independent from Tencent IIRC - they're not afraid to take some risks with their games.

And as a bonus, NeXT are actually porting their games to the Switch currently (Iris.Fall being one of the announced games). Really, I could see them doing something like Fire Emblem, Kirby or even Star Fox / F-Zero and actually do a pretty damn good job at it. Besides, more indie / indie-esque games for the Switch are always a plus no matter where they come from.

I'd unironically love a Pokémon or FE-themed MOBA, really. Though... the gif you sent made me question the potential quality of it. I'd rather have a studio like Riot doing it, really, but a snowball has a better chance in hell compared to that.

Great write-up as always, KatKit. In my eyes, Travis has always been a character that I could very easily envision as part of the Smash roster, moreso than any other prospective fighter. Despite my unfamiliarity with the NMH series, he always just seemed to be someone that looked like a "perfect fit" for a Smash newcomer, and I never could quite put my finger on why, until now. Thanks for summing up all his sticking points quite nicely, and for reaffirming what makes him such a strong contender.

And also, I had no clue Travis is bigger here in the west than he is in Japan, despite that being his place of origin. That's super interesting.

Travis, despite also appearing in other consoles, basically has that "second-party character" feel. Reminds me a lot of BK, Bayonetta and Phoenix Wright in that regard. I really think he will make the cut eventually, even if not in Ultimate.

 

[Night Gale]

Great write-up as always, KatKit. In my eyes, Travis has always been a character that I could very easily envision as part of the Smash roster, moreso than any other prospective fighter. Despite my unfamiliarity with the NMH series, he always just seemed to be someone that looked like a "perfect fit" for a Smash newcomer, and I never could quite put my finger on why, until now. Thanks for summing up all his sticking points quite nicely, and for reaffirming what makes him such a strong contender.

And also, I had no clue Travis is bigger here in the west than he is in Japan, despite that being his place of origin. That's super interesting.

Its cel-shaded style would mesh well with Super Smash imo. You don't have to play the games to understand that sob stands out; at times, No More Heroes is f***ing art; the recent Goddamn Superhero trailer is proof of that.

The meta-story is satire of the video game industry, gamers, and modern otaku culture. I remember these articles from a very long time ago. I don't know how well they've aged, but they were interesting reads at the time.

https://www.destructoid.com/what-no-more-heroes-really-means-73998.phtml

https://www.destructoid.com/what-nmh-2-desperate-struggle-really-means-part-2-163596.phtml

Travis Touchdown's name is supposed to sound edgy to us, but it sounds foreign as hell in Japan; that's the best metaphor I can think of as to why it sold way better overseas but failed out there: cultural differences. The ultra violence was censored in Japan and nothing about it really appealed to their audience at large. I believe that part of the reason was because of its gameplay. It intentionally cut corners to tell jokes. The series also swears almost as excessively as I do. Japan wasn't having any of that s***, which is understandable. It did, however, resonate with foreigners.

Now for a real fun fact. No More Heroes inspired the first video game themed lingerie collection.

If it were up to me, we'd get Flower, Sun, and Rain or Killer7 though. Hell, maybe even Lollipop Chainsaw.

 

[Flyboy]

Do you have a source for that? I was wondering why Suda51's name was in Brawl's credits, and it would be nice to have that answered.

I'm trying to find it. I thought it was a DYKG video but I can't watch them all right this second.

 

[Guynamednelson]

How sanitized? Hoo boy:

"Ow, you got me! Here, have some lootboxes!"
​

That reminds me of German Half-Life, where scientists/security guards sit down in shame instead of dying.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That reminds me of German Half-Life, where scientists/security guards sit down in shame instead of dying.

omg i can't stop laughing

speaking of weird censorship, I know that the German version of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream made the game literally unbeatable cause the doctor (who's a well... you know) can't be played as

that's an oof in hindsight

 

[Guybrush20X6]

NMH is kinda confusing as it's meant to be a parody of Western Otaku but it appeals to them too.

Reminds me of Bevis and Butthead. "Show about morons watching MTV is popular with Morons who watch MTV".

 

[SKX31]

I'd unironically love a Pokémon or FE-themed MOBA, really. Though... the gif you sent made me question the potential quality of it. I'd rather have a studio like Riot doing it, really, but a snowball has a better chance in hell compared to that.

May I introduce you to Arena of Valor then (Honor of Kings in China)? Tencent's mobile LoL - developed by TiMi. Really, I would likely blame this (and the PUBG Mobile cloning) on Tencent's higher brass, not neccessarily TiMi. Still, Tencent were real subtle with their character choices in the international version (including its Switch port):

Infiniter Crisis.
(Yes, Batman's in this too. Because he's Batman.)
(Why do I get the strange sensation that Feraligatr would look like Renekton in a Pokemon MOBA?)​

While AoV seems to be a solid clone, if not game (It apparently had a really niche Switch fanbase here in the West)... yikes the issues are really blatant right off the bat. Still, If you're wondering why AoV became a success in China (to the point it caused the massive scandal) / SEA... same reasons as PUBG Mobile. They both fill a niche and are fully playable on low-end smartphones. Really, really accessible in other words.

And yea, AoV is prominent enough to be featured at both the 2018 Asian Games (demonstration, alongside LoL) and 2019 SEA Games (full-fledged, medals and all. Alongside Tekken 7) - mind you, both these games are Olympic-Sponsored. And yes, Tekken 7 was also an Olympic sport this year by definition.

Do you have a source for that? I was wondering why Suda51's name was in Brawl's credits, and it would be nice to have that answered.

I'm trying to find it. I thought it was a DYKG video but I can't watch them all right this second.

Here, at 3:46. Looks like what you said Flyboy was true, so that might give Travis more of a shot honestly.

 

[Megadoomer]

Here, at 3:46. Looks like what you said Flyboy was true, so that might give Travis more of a shot honestly.

I knew that Suda 51's name was in the credits for Brawl; I just wanted to know WHY that was the case.

 

[Deleted member]

This is where I stop listening to fatman

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Indies are not toast

 

[SKX31]

I knew that Suda 51's name was in the credits for Brawl; I just wanted to know WHY that was the case.

Crud, misread that completely honestly.

PushDustin's Q&A with Suda:

PushDustIn: This is a random question, but why do you have a special thanks in Super Smash Bros. Brawl?

There were some sound staff [from Grasshopper Manufacture] that contributed to Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and I gave the OK for those sound staff to go ahead and work with Nintendo on that, so that’s why I’m in there as a special thanks.

Something the Suda wiki corroborates:

Takada Masafumi was able to work on it as well, remixing four songs for the game: "Ending" (Yoshi's Story), "Lip's Theme" (Panel de Pon), "Marionation Gear," and "Shin Onigashima."

Takada's wiki page, confirming he worked at Grasshopper (as well as No More Heroes) and Brawl.

 

[Deleted member]

This is where I stop listening to fatman

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Indies are not toast

So why are you listening to Sabi? They haven't gotten anything right since.... Terry? But they didn't say anything until Verge already said something so Sabi was piggybacking off of Verge and even if they weren't Terry was always the obvious pick as he's SNK's posterboy.

Then there's Banjo who was leaked before by Shinobi then Sabi came in and piggybacked off of them and wanted to wait for someone more credible than themselves to give the go-ahead for Banjo.

Hero was the worst if not one of the worst kept secrets in Smash so everyone knew he was going to get in and nobody said anything about Joker not even Sabi. There's no reason to listen to Sabi or Verge let alone someone who knows absolutely nothing like Fatman.

Sabi's entire career was piggybacking and saying nothing of interest.

 

[Deleted member]

This is where I stop listening to fatman

lmao you were listening to him in the first place?

 

[Deleted member]

lmao you were listening to him in the first place?

yes

I was a fool

 

[Guybrush20X6]

We having another leaker civil war?

 

[Deleted member]

So why are you listening to Sabi? They haven't gotten anything right since.... Terry? But they didn't say anything until Verge already said something so Sabi was piggybacking off of Verge and even if they weren't Terry was always the obvious pick as he's SNK's posterboy.

Then there's Banjo who was leaked before by Shinobi then Sabi came in and piggybacked off of them and wanted to wait for someone more credible than themselves to give the go-ahead for Banjo.

Hero was the worst if not one of the worst kept secrets in Smash so everyone knew he was going to get in and nobody said anything about Joker not even Sabi. There's no reason to listen to Sabi or Verge let alone someone who knows absolutely nothing like Fatman.

Sabi's entire career was piggybacking and saying nothing of interest.

He’s not a piggybacked and he didn’t say there will be a Guaranteed reveal at the game awards

 

[3BitSaurus]

May I introduce you to Arena of Valor then (Honor of Kings in China)? Tencent's mobile LoL - developed by TiMi. Really, I would likely blame this (and the PUBG Mobile cloning) on Tencent's higher brass, not neccessarily TiMi. Still, Tencent were real subtle with their character choices in the international version (including its Switch port):

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Infiniter Crisis.
(Yes, Batman's in this too. Because he's Batman.)
(Why do I get the strange sensation that Feraligatr would look like Renekton in a Pokemon MOBA?)​

While AoV seems to be a solid clone, if not game (It apparently had a really niche Switch fanbase here in the West)... yikes the issues are really blatant right off the bat. Still, If you're wondering why AoV became a success in China (to the point it caused the massive scandal) / SEA... same reasons as PUBG Mobile. They both fill a niche and are fully playable on low-end smartphones. Really, really accessible in other words.

And yea, AoV is prominent enough to be featured at both the 2018 Asian Games (demonstration, alongside LoL) and 2019 SEA Games (full-fledged, medals and all. Alongside Tekken 7) - mind you, both these games are Olympic-Sponsored. And yes, Tekken 7 was also an Olympic sport this year by definition.

Yeah, I knew about AoV, but... God, you can tell just by looking which characters were... "inspired" by League. Also, insert joke about Superman being in Smash here.

Still hoping Nintendo and Riot get to talks one day. A man can dream.