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'Cause it helps narrow down speculation?
Gonna disagree. What actually helps narrow down speculation is telling us who FP 5 is. That's how we narrowed down Erdrick, Banjo, and Terry. All this has done is made us consider new characters in a wide slew of gaming franchises. However, we have nowhere near the information to accurately guess FP 5. In conclusion, it's a goose chase and we're falling for it.
 
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FP5 according to Sabi + Vergeben
According to Sabi, the FP5 would belong to one of those that Vergeben had eliminated before its rollback, and he/she wouldn't be one of those he had not mentioned at all (like Sony, for example). Here is the list from which the FP5 would come, according to the most recent deconfirmations by Vergeben.

- Arc System Works rep, but not Sol Badguy nor Ragna -> no other character is possible imo.
- Bethesda rep but not Doomguy -> Dovahkin has no chance imo.
- Blizzard-Activision rep but not Crash nor Tracer -> no other character is possible imo.
- Capcom rep but not Amaterasu, Dante, Monster Hunter nor Phoenix Wright -> no other character is possible imo.
- Epic Games -> Jonesy has no chance imo.
- Koei Tecmo rep but not Hayabusa -> Dead or Alive hasn't much chance to end the pass with a fighting game rep just after Terry. Dynasty Warriors has no chance imo.
- Konami rep -> anyone has no chance to come in front of Bomberman imo.

- Marvelous rep -> Farmer has chance imo.
- Microsoft rep -> Steve has a little chance imo. Master Chief has no chance imo.
- Nintendo rep -> a new character should be "new in the series" and appeared before Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Characters like Mike Jones or Momotetsu guy have no chance imo.
- Sega rep but not Arle Nadja nor Sakura Shinguji -> Sega has already closed the Sm4sh DLC and has already opened the Ultimate DLC. I don't think Sega can be represented in this pass again.

- Squenix rep but not Geno nor (Disney) Sora -> Lara Croft / Bub & Bob weren't directly born from Square or Enix and have a little chance imo. 2B has no chance imo. Space Invaders have no chance imo because "series without future are rarely chosen".
- Spike Chunsoft rep, but not Monokuma -> no other character is possible imo.
See the thing is with this is that the overcomplication of multiple factors to even allude to a single DLC character demonstrates how much they see fit to make up unsupported ideas and purposeful convolute a situation so that when they are factually incorrect, they are able to backtrack with ease on one of their many fabrications.

I personally won't believe or pursue any of these ideas peddled by "leakers" until the inevitable 4/5 days before release when Nintendo accidentally upload a render of the character onto their website.

But hey, no leaker will lose credibility because they've confirmed 12 out of a possible 384593 game publishers who have a character for Smash potential.
 

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and to think we said the same thing about joker
Well yeah, because we thought the FP would be a checklist of spiritless Nintendo characters, upcoming Nintendo games, what all the Kids These Days like, etc. It's none of those three, so it's no wonder someone wouldn't think ultra-popular game=guaranteed Smash newcomer.
 

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Vergeben has been the most consistently correct leaker for Smash Ultimate's speculation cycle, but go off I guess.
I would argue that Verge’s credibility during base game speculation is irrefutable, other than the supposed “Minecraft content.” However, I can’t exactly say I 100% trust him when it comes to DLC. He did not leak Piranha Plant (despite claiming he knew the whole time) or Joker, DID leak Erdrick correctly (which makes sense due to him potentially being a base game fighter), but only backed Banjo and Terry after they were leaked by someone else more credible first. I’m not saying that Verge is wrong about his disconfirmations, as we simply don’t know yet, but we shouldn’t base our entire speculation off of someone’s past credibility unrelated to our current situation. Remember that Verge also backed Star Fox Grand Prix and Pikmin 3 for a certain direct. He is not infallible and has fallen for fake sources before.
 
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Gonna disagree. What actually helps narrow down speculation is telling us who FP 5 is. That's how we narrowed down Erdrick, Banjo, and Terry. All this has done is made us consider new characters in a wide slew of gaming franchises. However, we have nowhere near the information to accurately guess FP 5. In conclusion, it's a goose chase and we're falling for it.
He's in


Seriously though you have a weird definition of narrowing things down.

The more I see this list and put everything together (including the KOS-MOS safety net), the more Vergebens credibility completely tanks in my eyes.

Going off of this, we might as well just skip to post pass, since there is literally no one left, according to your list of Vergebens deconfirmations. (Lined up with Sabi)

And this is coming from a former believer.
It just means that FP5 is gonna be a character outside of the usualyl discussed ones. To say that there is "literally no one left" is horribly reductive.
 

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Would be nice if they finally revealed Unwound/Lost Future HD, I really want to replay that game again.

I think Level-5 announced a new Fantasy Life game or something the other day, so maybe we'll hear something Layton related soon, maybe, hopefully....
And if they deined to give us Europeans London Life this time around.
 

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He's in


Seriously though you have a weird definition of narrowing things down.



It just means that FP5 is gonna be a character outside of the usualyl discussed ones. To say that there is "literally no one left" is horribly reductive.

I’m sorry, but right now, I personally don’t believe Verge at all.

Until he can say with 100% confidence who FP5 is, without pulling the “I don’t know” or “maybe” card, I’m taking him with an entire salt shaker.

Because his KOS-MOS safety net gave me serious loz18 vibes.
 

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Reggies statement could be characters that don’t have a fighter yet you know?
I doubt it, he said series not roster. It would be redundant to say new to the roster when "everyone is here" new to the roster would be obvious. He also said the characters in the fighters pass would be just like Joker from Persona 5. So if you analyze what Joker is... He is third party, completely new to the series as a whole right down to his franchise never being featured with so much as a PNG. Now compare that to the rest of the known fighters pass... They all (so far) fit that criteria. I've been saying this since 2018's game awards, and I'd get bombarded with "it was just PR talk it meant nothing" but I'm 4/5 on this so far and people still don't think it's an accurate postulation.

Now fast forward to Terry's Sakurai direct. During it Sakurai said something like he wants to feature as many different game world's as possible in smash. The way I see it, a game series can be represented with anything in Smash, a spirit, Mii, AT, or a character. I think Sakurai / Nintendo might be trying to set a record for largest crossover in a video game or entertainment. (Which harkens back to Reggie's statement at the 2018 game awards about the largest crossover) Now if this really is a goal, I don't see Sakurai or Nintendo doubling down on a game series/ world that's already featured in Smash as it wouldn't increase the overall crossover count.
 
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I’m sorry, but right now, I personally don’t believe Verge at all.

Until he can say with 100% confidence who FP5 is, without pulling the “I don’t know” or “maybe” card, I’m taking him with an entire salt shaker.

Because his KOS-MOS safety net gave me serious loz18 vibes.
Loz18 vibes what?
At this point I'd just tell the leakers to go away until they know who it is, we won't miss their absence. Id suggest you guys talk on whatever character you guys like instead of being in a circle.
 

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I’m sorry, but right now, I personally don’t believe Verge at all.

Until he can say with 100% confidence who FP5 is, without pulling the “I don’t know” or “maybe” card, I’m taking him with an entire salt shaker.

Because his KOS-MOS safety net gave me serious loz18 vibes.
To be fair, unlike Loz18, Verge has never outright claimed that KOS-MOS is the character. All he said is that he wasn't entirely sure whether or not he could deconfirm her as well since the licensing is tricky, and that he was by no means insinuating that she was likely.

And then everyone thought KOS-MOS was likely.
 
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What franchises that are currently in Smash would you like to see get more characters?

I'm gonna ignore the obvious choices (Zelda, Kirby, etc.) and say that I'd really like to see Splatoon and Sonic get more characters. Splatoon because it's been insanely successful, and it's really unique from other Nintendo franchises. Sonic because I feel like it's the second most iconic third-party franchise (only behind Pac-Man) on the roster. Plus, it has several decent options to choose from (Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Eggman).
I’d generally prefer that we get more new franchises but I think Zelda (Impa), Sonic (Eggman) & Final Fantasy (Terra or Sephiroth) could all use a new rep. Those series are all way too big/important for how little characters they have, content in general for FF.

I’d be hyped for Edelgard/Byleth, Dixie Kong & Chun-Li too; though I think their series are well represented for now.
 
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everything is slow, Slow anime news day, slow video game news day, no one is tslking about anything intrestion beside fighter 5
Well there's one bit of news, Seth is back in Street Fighter with a new look.

 

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At this point I'd just tell the leakers to go away until they know who it is, we won't miss their absence. Id suggest you guys talk on whatever character you guys like instead of being in a circle.
I mean. . . they basically have. Neither Vergeben nor Sabi have really said much of anything since a bit before the Game Awards.
 

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What franchises that are currently in Smash would you like to see get more characters?

I'm gonna ignore the obvious choices (Zelda, Kirby, etc.) and say that I'd really like to see Splatoon and Sonic get more characters. Splatoon because it's been insanely successful, and it's really unique from other Nintendo franchises. Sonic because I feel like it's the second most iconic third-party franchise (only behind Pac-Man) on the roster. Plus, it has several decent options to choose from (Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Eggman).
The Wario series has so much potential for another newcomer that it's ridiculous. The series just screams newcomer potential with characters like Ashley, Kat & Ana, and 9-Volt.
 

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Loz18 vibes what?
At this point I'd just tell the leakers to go away until they know who it is, we won't miss their absence. Id suggest you guys talk on whatever character you guys like instead of being in a circle.
Remember when loz went from 100% Skull Kid to “maybe”?

....Ok, maybe that was a bad comparison. But the point is that loz18 knew that he was spewing lies, so he created a safety net by saying “MAYBE this character is in, idk”. Of course, that ended up completely falling apart for him in the end.

Point is, whenever I see a leaker use that wording (idk, maybe, not sure, which is what Verge did for KOS-MOS), I get suspicious immediately.
 
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To be fair, unlike Loz18, Verge has never outright claimed that KOS-MOS is the character. All he said is that he wasn't entirely sure whether or not he could deconfirm her as well since the licensing is tricky, and that he was by no means insinuating that she was likely.

And then everyone thought KOS-MOS was likely.
How is Kos-Mos's licensing an issue? She's a Namco character.

I mean. . . they basically have. Neither Vergeben nor Sabi have really said much of anything since a bit before the Game Awards.
I guess they learned their lesson.
 

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To be fair, unlike Loz18, Verge has never outright claimed that KOS-MOS is the character. All he said is that he wasn't entirely sure whether or not he could deconfirm her as well since the licensing is tricky, and that he was by no means insinuating that she was likely.

And then everyone thought KOS-MOS was likely.
KOS-MOS is a Namco-Bandai character, first and foremost. No matter which design is chosen, you still would need to go through Namco-Bandai first, which flies in the face of his previous disconfirmation. I severely doubt that his source would even prioritize her relatively unknown and obscure cameo appearance in Xenoblade 2 over her actual origins as a character.
 
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Remember when loz went from 100% Skull Kid to “maybe”?

....Ok, maybe that was a bad comparison. But the point is that loz18 knew that he was spewing lies, so he created a safety net by saying “MAYBE this character is in, idk”. Of course, that ended up completely falling apart for him in the end.

Point is, whenever I see a leaker use that wording (idk, maybe, not sure, which is what Verge did for KOS-MOS), I get suspicious immediately.
Who's this Loz18 though and why did people believe them?
 

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Who's this Loz18 though and why did people believe them?
He had information about E3 (probably worked there or something), and then had no other information, so he just started spewing lies until Burb exposed him for good.

At least that is how I remember it.
 

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The Wario series has so much potential for another newcomer that it's ridiculous. The series just screams newcomer potential with characters like Ashley, Kat & Ana, and 9-Volt.
It's a real shame Nintendo has a major league "(side) characters don't matter much, gameplay does" policy. I understand where Miyamoto et al. are coming from, but Geno is far, far from the only Nintendo character who could use another game or Smash appearance.

Well there's one bit of news, Seth is back in Street Fighter with a new look.
I actually really like the idea. Yea, Seth commiting Rule 63 is weird*, but it makes a ton of sense for an AI / robot to jump to the nearest thing possible.

*(Edit; What weirded me out was the Tanden Engine - I was really used to the original - but it's something I got kinda used to now.)
 
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Well there's one bit of news, Seth is back in Street Fighter with a new look.

I hated fighting him in arcade mode in Street Fight 4.

This glitchy swapping s*** is interesting af and I like how they kept his voice. His design is a hell of a lot less generic now. The updated move list is great as well; that's one of the better looking v-trigger skills and super moves. They gave this mofo Yamcha's spirit ball.

Btw we have all of the main Street Fighter bosses in the same game. Holy s***.
 
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This is an older gameplay reveal, but Tekken's Leroy Smith was also the s***. Pimp Ip Man is as amazing as it sounds.

 
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Seriously though you have a weird definition of narrowing things down.
You wanna test how unproductive this deconfirmation stuff is? Tell me right now who FP 5 will be based on the info we have. You get one specific guess only and it has to be a character, not a series or company. You don't get to backtrack.
 
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- Nintendo rep -> a new character should be "new in the series" and appeared before Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Characters like Mike Jones or Momotetsu guy have no chance imo.
According to Pushdustin, the "We want to add more new worlds" from the Terry direct was a mistranslation. What Sakurai said was something closer to "We want to expand the world of Smash", so a character doesn't necessarily need to be new to the series. Likewise, Xenoblade was before the cut-off for the base roster, not DLC.
 

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According to Pushdustin, the "We want to add more new worlds" from the Terry direct was a mistranslation. What Sakurai said was something closer to "We want to expand the world of Smash", so a character doesn't necessarily need to be new to the series. Likewise, Xenoblade was before the cut-off for the base roster, not DLC.
If that is the case, please explain why we have a Rex Mii Costume bundled with the FP.

If that wasn’t the cutoff point for DLC, it really seems like Sakurai would’ve added him as a DLC fighter.
 

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If that is the case, please explain why we have a Rex Mii Costume bundled with the FP.

If that wasn’t the cutoff point for DLC, it really seems like Sakurai would’ve added him as a DLC fighter.
That was at launch and initial planning for DLC. We're now heading into new DLC soon here that would have recently been decided on, allowing opportunities to rethink potential choices.

I don't really think anyone's cut off, apart from things like the RE Spirit event happening to them.
 

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That was at launch and initial planning for DLC. We're now heading into new DLC soon here that would have recently been decided on, allowing opportunities to rethink potential choices.

I don't really think anyone's cut off, apart from things like the RE Spirit event happening to them.
We were talking about FP5.

I’m not denying that the goal post probably moved for post pass.
 

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You wanna test how unproductive this deconfirmation stuff is? Tell me right now who FP 5 will be based on the info we have. You get one specific guess only and it has to be a character, not a series or company. You don't get to backtrack.
You're talking with the wrong person for that, lmao. I've been watching all of these deconfirmations with nothing but glee, because my most wanted has consistently remained standing, and even has a few new points in their favour depending on how you interpret Vergeben's actions and the confusion around KOS-MOS. It's Elma. Which I don't say with absolute certainty, mind you, but rather as me making an educated guess. Which, wouldn't you know it, is what speculation should be.

It'd be nice if we didn't take random PR statements and quotes that can be mistranslated or lack context as absolutes.
Sakurai has stated that he hopes that the Rex Mii costume makes you feel like you're playing Rex. Therefore, we can conclude that Rex would've been a Mii Swordfighter clone, because that's 100% what the statement implied. There is no room for error.
 
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