Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Hey, Warcraft! I respect that. I’ve heard no one suggest anything from Warcraft. And from the Orc race has to be the perfect fit because they’ve always given a bit more of protagonism to them.

I’m not that familiar with Thrall. I liked Warcraft 3, but I didn’t really love it like I did 2.
And I skipped WoW entirely.

My favorite hero is Zuldjin, but I rather they go for an orc, like Grom Hellscream, or yeah, Thrall.

Is there anything getting in the way of a Warcraft character btw?
I didn’t know I wanted a character from the series until now.

I thought the Orcs were bad guys since they usually are in fiction and because the Horde in WoW gave me the impression of being evil aligned. Though to be fair when I played the game I wasn't old enough to do much of anything other than see how many ways I could jump off the great tree without dying.

Have there been Warcraft games on Nintendo consoles (or any consoles)? If so then it's possible that they could add one of the most notable characters from the series. For me the Litch King comes to mind.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Have there been Warcraft games on Nintendo consoles (or any consoles)?

Warcraft II was on the PS1 and Saturn. The closest the series has gotten to being on Nintendo systems is being mentioned on the back of the GBA version of the Lost Vikings' box.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Warcraft II was on the PS1 and Saturn. The closest the series has gotten to being on Nintendo systems is being mentioned on the back of the GBA version of the Lost Vikings' box.

In which case I don't see the series joining Smash on account of having almost nothing to do with the console market.

 

[Ridrool64]

Still personally kinda surprised that not a large number of people seem to be sleeping on Lara Croft being a likely candidate for DLC.

Erdrick is 90% the reason why. As with SEGA characters after Joker, most don't see any Square-Enix characters as viable anymore since Dragon Quest has basically everything going for it and nothing going against it, with Erdrick being the most prominent and oft-leaked of the bunch.

The remainder is likely due to unfamiliarity or other various factors such as, yes, bias keeping Croft from getting that much recognition.

 

[volbound1700]

First regarding the Mii Costumes, I was super-thrilled to get Knuckles and Tails Mii costumes (more excited about that then I was about the Joker stuff). I knew they wouldn't be characters (which sucked) but I was glad to have them back. The only thing that would have been better is if the faces were actually the characters faces instead of the bastardized attempt to make them look like a costume intentionally. Majora, Yiga, and Blacknight have their Mii's faces covered for realism. Why not Knuckles and Tails? People do get excited about Mii costumes. I am evidence.

My preferred Fighter Pass (assuming that I can't do Sonic characters )

1. Banjo-Kazooie - Nintendo legend and fits theme
2. Rayman - Cartoony legend character like Mario, Kirby, DK, etc.
3. Crash Bandicoot - Same as Rayman
4. Bomberman

Other options: Dig Dug, Commander Keen, Erdrick, Slime, Geno

I am sorry, Joker vs. Mario just doesn't work. Mario vs. Rayman, Banjo, Crash, etc. works well. Some of the new characters like Bayo, Joker, even Snake don't fit as well with Mario, Kirby, Pikachu, etc. The characters that I list are cartoony platformers and work.

 

[Ovaltine]

First regarding the Mii Costumes, I was super-thrilled to get Knuckles and Tails Mii costumes (more excited about that then I was about the Joker stuff). I knew they wouldn't be characters (which sucked) but I was glad to have them back. The only thing that would have been better is if the faces were actually the characters faces instead of the bastardized attempt to make them look like a costume intentionally. Majora, Yiga, and Blacknight have their Mii's faces covered for realism. Why not Knuckles and Tails? People do get excited about Mii costumes. I am evidence.

My preferred Fighter Pass (assuming that I can't do Sonic characters )

1. Banjo-Kazooie - Nintendo legend and fits theme
2. Rayman - Cartoony legend character like Mario, Kirby, DK, etc.
3. Crash Bandicoot - Same as Rayman
4. Bomberman

Other options: Dig Dug, Commander Keen, Erdrick, Slime, Geno

I am sorry, Joker vs. Mario just doesn't work. Mario vs. Rayman, Banjo, Crash, etc. works well. Some of the new characters like Bayo, Joker, even Snake don't fit as well with Mario, Kirby, Pikachu, etc. The characters that I list are cartoony platformers and work.

Honestly, that's how I feel about Mii costumes. They themselves aren't inherently bad. I just wish they had the option to cover the freaking dumb Mii faces. For instance, if Geno got an upgraded Mii costume that looked a lot more like Geno and not like some weird bootleg, I'd be SUPER happy. I would have loved to see Skull Kid make it to Smash, but his Mii outfit is so well-done that I frankly don't mind. It's one of the few I actually use.

 

[osby]

I am sorry, Joker vs. Mario just doesn't work. Mario vs. Rayman, Banjo, Crash, etc. works well. Some of the new characters like Bayo, Joker, even Snake don't fit as well with Mario, Kirby, Pikachu, etc. The characters that I list are cartoony platformers and work.

I don't see your point. Smash is a crossover, characters aren't supposed to fit one standard. We have both cartoony and realistic fighters; there's no point in picking one and saying the other doesn't belong aside from subjective bias.

Also, regardless of your feelings, reducing character choices to one type of character is a bad idea no matter how you look at it. It limits creativity, arbitrarily omits important or popular characters and decreases the diversity.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Some of the new characters like Bayo, Joker, even Snake don't fit as well with Mario, Kirby, Pikachu, etc. The characters that I list are cartoony platformers and work.

Let's get rid of Captain Falcon then.

 

[Deleted member]

Samus and Captain Falcon don't fit. Get rid of them. Same with the other Metroid characters.

They don't belong in this super cartoony platforming game.
Take out the Zelda characters (except Toon Link; he can stay) and Fire Emblem characters while we're at it. Too serious and medieval for such a cartoonish game.
And don't forget Cloud and the Shotos. Take 'em too.

 

[Ovaltine]

If we need to make Smash more cartoonish, let's just go full Mario Kart. Let's get Baby Wajoker in with his super soaker and call it a day.

 

[Guynamednelson]

and Fire Emblem characters while we're at it

You say that like this wouldn't make some people rip their ***** off playing with themselves.

 

[shinhed-echi]

In which case I don't see the series joining Smash on account of having almost nothing to do with the console market.

I think the closest was Starcraft 64. But yeah, that’s still not Warcraft.

Has Overwatch been released on Switch? I still think Warcraft represents them best, personally. But that’s just bias. Not to mention a hulking, axe wielding Orc would be freaking cool to have.
... but I’m aware of its chances.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I think the closest was Starcraft 64. But yeah, that’s still not Warcraft.

Has Overwatch been released on Switch? I still think Warcraft represents them best, personally. But that’s just bias. Not to mention a hulking, axe wielding Orc would be freaking cool to have.
... but I’m aware of its chances.

Overwatch isn't on Switch. (Though if I was a gambling man I'd peg Overwatch's chances of getting on Switch much higher than Warcraft's).

 

[volbound1700]

Samus and Captain Falcon don't fit. Get rid of them. Same with the other Metroid characters.

They don't belong in this super cartoony platforming game.
Take out the Zelda characters (except Toon Link; he can stay) and Fire Emblem characters while we're at it. Too serious and medieval for such a cartoonish game.
And don't forget Cloud and the Shotos. Take 'em too.

Actually they fit because of their appearance in the NES and SNES era. Some character from a random Japanese games about misbehaving high school students is not so much. Snake worked because of his style but those arcade or platform style characters work better.

 

[osby]

Actually they fit because of their appearance in the NES and SNES era. Some character from a random Japanese games about misbehaving high school students is not so much. Snake worked because of his style but those arcade or platform style characters work better.

This sounds awfully subjective and inconsistent. You listed console appearances, game plot and style in quick succession like you just don't like certain characters and trying to unsuccessfully find an excuse for it.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I know this is kind of an old topic, but do you think we will get a dlc newcomer(s) from a 1st party series? (Also was it confirmed that all DLC characters would be from series new to smash? I’ve been out of the speculation scene for awhile.)

If so, who and what series do you think it might be? The only 1st party character really on my radar is maybe a potential Rhythm Heaven character.

 

[Deleted member]

Dunno, but I feel that most of the complaints for characters can be summed up as "its not who I wanted" and people just try to justify their feelings in a petty way.

I know this is kind of an old topic, but do you think we will get a dlc newcomer(s) from a 1st party series? (Also was it confirmed that all DLC characters would be from series new to smash? I’ve been out of the speculation scene for awhile.)

If so, who and what series do you think it might be? The only 1st party character really on my radar is maybe a potential Rhythm Heaven character.

Unless you count a new Pokemon or FE rep, theres also Astral Chain protagonists or the mystery character that seems to appear in Reggie's goodby photo which might be from an unnannounced game.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Dunno, but I feel that most of the complaints for characters can be summed up as "its not who I wanted" and people just try to justify their feelings in a petty way.


Unless you count a new Pokemon or FE rep, theres also Astral Chain protagonists or the mystery character that seems to appear in Reggie's goodby photo which might be from an unnannounced game.

Is Astral Chain 1st party? I know Nintendo is the publisher but I thought it was a platinum games IP

 

[Megadoomer]

Is Astral Chain 1st party? I know Nintendo is the publisher but I thought it was a platinum games IP

Platinum Games rarely, if ever, owns the IPs that it makes. The Wonderful 101 is in the same situation as Astral Chain - Platinum developed it, but Nintendo owns it.

 

[Door Key Pig]

I know this is kind of an old topic, but do you think we will get a dlc newcomer(s) from a 1st party series? (Also was it confirmed that all DLC characters would be from series new to smash? I’ve been out of the speculation scene for awhile.)

If so, who and what series do you think it might be? The only 1st party character really on my radar is maybe a potential Rhythm Heaven character.

I'd like a RH rep assuming its Japanese fanbase is reason enough for it to get a spot among the "characters you'd never expect to see in Smash" characters of the Fighter's Pass.

 

[Ovaltine]

Dunno, but I feel that most of the complaints for characters can be summed up as "its not who I wanted" and people just try to justify their feelings in a petty way.

More like it definitely is. Most of the complaints I've seen over Joker are just, "Why couldn't we get another Sonic rep or an SMT rep like Demifiend instead?" It's rarely ever anything else beyond that and, "He's an anime swordsman, LOL," which... makes... no sense...? It makes no sense. Like, I get it, it isn't your preferred rep, but that doesn't mean it's an objectively bad pick.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Personally, I don’t find anything from 1st party titles exciting, except maybe retro ones like Mike Jones, Mach Rider, or Medusa (that’s a lot of M’s). And even then I don’t feel they have the Star power to make an impact.

The only characters from 1st party games that I can think of that could cause waves, are an Arms charcter and a Xeno2 character.

This is why on a personal level, I like the notion of having purely 3rd party characters as DLC.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Platinum Games rarely, if ever, owns the IPs that it makes. The Wonderful 101 is in the same situation as Astral Chain - Platinum developed it, but Nintendo owns it.

They're trying to change that moving forward. Apparently not having ownership or control of the IP they develop is a big pet peeve of them.

Personally, I don’t find anything from 1st party titles exciting, except maybe retro ones like Mike Jones, Mach Rider, or Medusa (that’s a lot of M’s). And even then I don’t feel they have the Star power to make an impact.

The only characters from 1st party games that I can think of that could cause waves, are an Arms charcter and a Xeno2 character.

This is why on a personal level, I like the notion of having purely 3rd party characters as DLC.

There are certainly some first party characters with star power to be DLC (Toad, Waluigi, Dixie, Dee, etc.), but personally the ones that don't have star power are the ones I'd like the most.

Plus I don't think a character has to be known to sell, especially in Smash. It's certainly a safer bet to have a character people don't know than a character people know and hate.

 

[Ovaltine]

I've always been a huge Nintendo nut, so I'm ridiculously biased in saying that I'd love to see some first party, individual DLC characters. However, given the way the Fighter's Pass is being marketed along with the contents of each challenger pack, I'm positive we're only getting third parties there (and, for that matter, only bigger name ones, with the most 'obscure' possibility being Banjo).

That said, if we somehow get more individual DLC a la Plant — just a fighter, MAYBE some music, too, for 4.99 or less — I could see first parties and lesser third parties getting another shot. I'd say that, for first party, Springman, Rex, Bandana Waddle Dee, Dixie Kong, and Waluigi are front runners. Lesser third parties would probably entail something like third party echoes (Ms. Pac-Man, Metal Sonic, etc.) or third parties without a need for a new stage and the whole nine yards (like Chun-Li, Tails, Geno). Not gonna get my hopes up for that, though. My expectations remain solely on the next four fighters we're supposed to expect.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Plus I don't think a character has to be known to sell, especially in Smash. It's certainly a safer bet to have a character people don't know than a character people know and hate.

This is especially true considering the Fighter's Pass-I bet at least two million people have already bought it, and they're gonna have to deal with every character included regardless of how obscure they are.

Plus, look at the Mii Fighters you find in Shared Content if you sort them by popularity: Some of them use the costumes of obscure characters regardless of whether or not they're supposed to be that character. If people are open to their aesthetic, they should be open to the actual character.

 

[GoodGrief741]

This is especially true considering the Fighter's Pass-I bet at least two million people have already bought it, and they're gonna have to deal with every character included regardless of how obscure they are.

Plus, look at the Mii Fighters you find in Shared Content if you sort them by popularity: Some of them use the costumes of obscure characters regardless of whether or not they're supposed to be that character. If people are open to their aesthetic, they should be open to the actual character.

Yeah, plus if you look at other (non-crossover) fighting games, new characters are sold as DLC and people buy them, whether they're casuals just looking for more content or the hardcore audience looking to stay up to date with the metagame. People will buy an unknown character for DLC because it's a fighting game and more characters = more content.

 

[random rendum]

I feel like the people keep forgetting that the DLC isnt trying to appeal to casuals. look at Joker. I also feel that the most common requests don't have enough to be as unique as Joker.

Joker uses a Persona to amplify his moveset and uses guns. He's unlike any other character. Crash, Erdrick, Chief, Doomguy, and others aren't extremely unique i feel. Steve could potential be unique if he wasn't just a Sword Fighter.

And I feel like people are sleeping on Beady Long Legs. Iconic, Tan, long, and handsome. Lotso moveset potential too as a spider.

 

[Ovaltine]

I feel like the people keep forgetting that the DLC isnt trying to appeal to casuals. look at Joker. I also feel that the most common requests don't have enough to be as unique as Joker.

Joker uses a Persona to amplify his moveset and uses guns. He's unlike any other character. Crash, Erdrick, Chief, Doomguy, and others aren't extremely unique i feel. Steve could potential be unique if he wasn't just a Sword Fighter.

And I feel like people are sleeping on Beady Long Legs. Iconic, Tan, long, and handsome. Lotso moveset potential too as a spider.

Honestly, I could see Erdrick being very unique. When you look at his arsenal in the source material and even at the other yuushas, he has a wide variety of things up his sleeve. He isn't just a sword fighter. Steve has way more than just a sword, as well. Can't say I'm too aware of what Chief's move set would be like. Crash would be ridiculously unique with the kinda crazy stuff he could implement, both as a brawler and as a wild card in general. Doomguy would have good potential, but... eh. I'd mostly only care for him being in because I love old-school Doom.

When it comes to a lot of most wanted newcomers, I honestly think they have a lot to bring to the table. Banjo, the one I'm rooting for, has so much move set potential that literally no other character would have. His and Kazooie's range is nuts. Really, the amount of neat stuff we could get makes it just that much harder to pinpoint who Sakurai and Nintendo have chosen.

beady long legs would be perfect and no one can tell me otherwise though

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Joker uses a Persona to amplify his moveset and uses guns. He's unlike any other character. Crash...and others aren't extremely unique i feel.

A large part of Crash's identity is that he is literally insane. It's so integral to the character that even the game mechanics enforce these traits (namely in bashing your head in with every box you missed). At a surface level Crash would definitely look like a standard brawler, but he would also have some sort of shenanigans involving boxes and perhaps even some super armour stuff from Aku Aku.

 

[thisjustin2001]

I 10000000000% disagree, I have no idea how you can't see how much issed potential that would make.

We still don't have:

Bandana Dee
Rex
Paper Mario

or the assists.

Waluigi
Skull Kid
Isaac
Springman
Ashley
and others.

Well, the Assist characters are already Assist Trophies, so they're definitely not happening.

Bandana Waddle Dee seems like a bit of an obscure pick to me. He isn't a very important character in the Kirby series like Kirby, Meta Knight and King Decade are. Also, do we really need the player 4 of the recent Kirby games in Smash? Bandana Waddle Dee would've been a much better fit as a base roster character. Nintendo needs to bring their A game for the Fighters Pass and I don't think too many people would be excited to buy a minor character like Bandana Waddle Dee.

As for Paper Mario, does anyone like/care about Paper Mario anymore? Paper Mario hasn't had a game with good reception in over a decade and a half as far as I'm aware, and would be yet another Mario in Smash. I really doubt a third Mario could even compete with a hype character like most Microsoft characters, Sora, Doomguy, etc.

Xenoblade is a really niche series, and I think it's good at one rep. and as far as I know, people didn't even like Rex in Xenoblade 2. Also, didn't Sakurai apologize to Xenoblade 2 fans because Rex didn't make the cut? I doubt a Rex miI costume would be included in the Fighter Pass, just to have Rex as one of the fighters, too. That doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry, he's not happening.

 

[Idon]

Well, the Assist characters are already Assist Trophies, so they're definitely not happening.

Bandana Waddle Dee seems like a bit of an obscure pick to me. He isn't a very important character in the Kirby series like Kirby, Meta Knight and King Decade are. Also, do we really need the player 4 of the recent Kirby games in Smash? Bandana Waddle Dee would've been a much better fit as a base roster character. Nintendo needs to bring their A game for the Fighters Pass and I don't think too many people would be excited to buy a minor character like Bandana Waddle Dee.

As for Paper Mario, does anyone like/care about Paper Mario anymore? Paper Mario hasn't had a game with good reception in over a decade and a half as far as I'm aware, and would be yet another Mario in Smash. I really doubt a third Mario could even compete with a hype character like most Microsoft characters, Sora, Doomguy, etc.

Xenoblade is a really niche series, and I think it's good at one rep. and as far as I know, people didn't even like Rex in Xenoblade 2. Also, didn't Sakurai apologize to Xenoblade 2 fans because Rex didn't make the cut? I doubt a Rex miI costume would be included in the Fighter Pass, just to have Rex as one of the fighters, too. That doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry, he's not happening.

He was talking about "missing first parties" not "are they actually realistic"

Crash, Erdrick, Chief, Doomguy, and others aren't extremely unique i feel.

Oh boy hypothetical originality, as if this stupid concept hasn't been argued enough.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Well, the Assist characters are already Assist Trophies, so they're definitely not happening.

Bandana Waddle Dee seems like a bit of an obscure pick to me. He isn't a very important character in the Kirby series like Kirby, Meta Knight and King Decade are. Also, do we really need the player 4 of the recent Kirby games in Smash? Bandana Waddle Dee would've been a much better fit as a base roster character. Nintendo needs to bring their A game for the Fighters Pass and I don't think too many people would be excited to buy a minor character like Bandana Waddle Dee.

As for Paper Mario, does anyone like/care about Paper Mario anymore? Paper Mario hasn't had a game with good reception in over a decade and a half as far as I'm aware, and would be yet another Mario in Smash. I really doubt a third Mario could even compete with a hype character like most Microsoft characters, Sora, Doomguy, etc.

Xenoblade is a really niche series, and I think it's good at one rep. and as far as I know, people didn't even like Rex in Xenoblade 2. Also, didn't Sakurai apologize to Xenoblade 2 fans because Rex didn't make the cut? I doubt a Rex miI costume would be included in the Fighter Pass, just to have Rex as one of the fighters, too. That doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry, he's not happening.

You lost me when you said Bandana Dee isn't important in the Kirby series.

 

[thisjustin2001]

You lost me when you said Bandana Dee isn't important in the Kirby series.

Okay. Well, if you wouldn't mind, explain why Bandana Dee matters.

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

So I don't see any talks about Super Smash Bros. official youtube account here. It seems like they uploaded something.
People are talking about this since yesterday. Is this only Japan thing? I'm not sure.

Edit:
I'm talking about this channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4PG9qx9x2s

Subscribe than you'll see a blue dot on your subscribed channel list.
Apparently this account only used for new fighter's reveals and those short introduction videos.
This was found about 27 hours ago.

 

[Anjinh00]

i have a theory, sakurai just destroyed 2 taboos with piranha plant and joker

• minor characters are not added
• characters that only appared on nintendo consoles (cloud alredy did that but joker is more cool) cant enter

So maybe the next dlc will be fighters in the categorys above or something diferent, who knows? at this point sakurai is unpreditble, he can add anyone! he did a move set to piranha plant! it could be anything to a octorok or a mortal kombat character.

 

[osby]

Reminder that Cloud and Joker appeared in Nintendo consoles before being announced for Smash. It's just they weren't their debut games.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well, the Assist characters are already Assist Trophies, so they're definitely not happening.

Bandana Waddle Dee seems like a bit of an obscure pick to me. He isn't a very important character in the Kirby series like Kirby, Meta Knight and King Decade are. Also, do we really need the player 4 of the recent Kirby games in Smash? Bandana Waddle Dee would've been a much better fit as a base roster character. Nintendo needs to bring their A game for the Fighters Pass and I don't think too many people would be excited to buy a minor character like Bandana Waddle Dee.

As for Paper Mario, does anyone like/care about Paper Mario anymore? Paper Mario hasn't had a game with good reception in over a decade and a half as far as I'm aware, and would be yet another Mario in Smash. I really doubt a third Mario could even compete with a hype character like most Microsoft characters, Sora, Doomguy, etc.

Xenoblade is a really niche series, and I think it's good at one rep. and as far as I know, people didn't even like Rex in Xenoblade 2. Also, didn't Sakurai apologize to Xenoblade 2 fans because Rex didn't make the cut? I doubt a Rex miI costume would be included in the Fighter Pass, just to have Rex as one of the fighters, too. That doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry, he's not happening.

First off, Bandana Waddle Dee is an important character. Granted he's in a bit of a weird spot due to only being playable in the four player games, but he has apeared consistantly since Kirby Returns to Dreamland in a series where most characters are one off. He's simmilar Impa except he has more than one appearance where he does stuff. TLDR; He's currently a supporting character, but not a minor one. That being said he's probably better as a base roster character and probably won't be DLC.

People definitely care about Paper Mario. Likely not enough to warrant his DLC inclusion, but his popularity still stands. The fanbase in its current state wants a good Paper Mario game, but hasn't gotten one since Super Paper Mario (and even then some argue that it's a good game, just not a good Paper Mario game). Hopefully they'll get their wish soon.

I thought the Xenoblade Chronicles series was pretty mainstream after two large successes, a huge advertising campaign, and three games in rapid succession. Does that mean we'll get Elma or Rex as a playable fighter? My answer is probably not or definitely not if Spirits disconfirm fighters (unless it's to promote a Xenoblade Chronicles X remaster on the switch or something). Also, this is the first time I'm hearing that people didn't like Rex.

 

[andree123]

So I don't see any talks about Super Smash Bros. official youtube account here. It seems like they uploaded something.
People are talking about this since yesterday. Is this only Japan thing? I'm not sure.

Edit:
I'm talking about this channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4PG9qx9x2s

Subscribe than you'll see a blue dot on your subscribed channel list.
Apparently this account only used for new fighter's reveals and those short introduction videos.
This was found about 27 hours ago.

So, this means that we're getting a direct or a standalone trailer for "brave" in May?

BTW, I predicted that brave started in the works in this December (Day 1 patch datamine) and it would be finished in May (weirdly enough, this is the same month as DQ day, which give higher chances that brave would be Erdrick). Same thing with P. Plant (started early on in development, it as a base character is cut (discovered by dataminers in P. Plant's release day), work on it continued in August or September and then finished in January) and Joker (Work on him started by November (Around the time the 1.0.0 ROM was leaked, and the datamine of 1.0.0 shows that brave hasn't started in the works at the time) and he was finished by April).

 

[Deleted member]

How likely would it be for Erdrick to have other DQ heroes as alts?

Also:

Reminder that Cloud and Joker appeared in Nintendo consoles before being announced for Smash. It's just they weren't their debut games.

I've been saying this for a long time, but people outside of Smashboards just doesn't listen or want to know it at all since they keep repeating the same tune I hear every single time the theme is brought up.

It gets annoying really fast to have someone blocking their minds into thinking that "Character in Smash= Debut game coming to a Nintendo system" while treating any other game as something worthless.

 

[Robertman2]

First off, Bandana Waddle Dee is an important character. Granted he's in a bit of a weird spot due to only being playable in the four player games, but he has apeared consistantly since Kirby Returns to Dreamland in a series where most characters are one off. He's simmilar Impa except he has more than one appearance where he does stuff. TLDR; He's currently a supporting character, but not a minor one. That being said he's probably better as a base roster character and probably won't be DLC.

People definitely care about Paper Mario. Likely not enough to warrant his DLC inclusion, but his popularity still stands. The fanbase in its current state wants a good Paper Mario game, but hasn't gotten one since Super Paper Mario (and even then some argue that it's a good game, just not a good Paper Mario game). Hopefully they'll get their wish soon.

I thought the Xenoblade Chronicles series was pretty mainstream after two large successes, a huge advertising campaign, and three games in rapid succession. Does that mean we'll get Elma or Rex as a playable fighter? My answer is probably not or definitely not if Spirits disconfirm fighters (unless it's to promote a Xenoblade Chronicles X remaster on the switch or something). Also, this is the first time I'm hearing that people didn't like Rex.

Rex is pretty universally disliked outside of the Smash bubble.