Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

Oh **** Luffy confirmed, one step closer to making Super Smash Flash HD a reality!

Disney copyright leaks. Everyone expects Sora. The trailer begins, and you hear this.

 

[MooMew64]

After all his years. We finally know what the One Piece is... a Smash invitation!!

Just as Luffy reaches out to it, it's claimed by the true Pirate King...

CAPTAIN BUGGY-SAMA!

 

[Ornl]

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

I don't think that Konami, Sega, Squenix, Microsoft or SNK will have a new Fighter before the end of the FP. Hayabusa isn't the 5th Fighter, and I don't think that Dynasty Warriors is more likely. Here is where it would stay IMO:
Overwatch - Yo-kai Watch - Touhou Project - Story of Seasons - Souls - Professor Layton - Guilty Gear - NieR - The Elder Scroll

 

[BZocky]

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

Waluigi. It only feels right this pass ends with him.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Disney copyright leaks. Everyone expects Sora. The trailer begins, and you hear this.

"This video is not available in your region" At least the Switch is region free...

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

All in on my TimeSplitting dude!

If Cortez does get in, he will be the first DLC character to have an item represent his series because the Motion Sensor Bomb came from Goldeneye's proximity mine and TimeSplitters is a spiritual successor to Goldeneye which also has a proximity mine so it will no longer be a Smash original item.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Broke: learning a foreign language to communicate with more people
WOKE: learning every foreign language to become the ultimate Hero main

 

[Deleted member]

"This video is not available in your region" At least the Switch is region free...

Dammit, stopped by copyright again. It was just The Incredibles theme. We can't have HD Smash Flash without my main Mr. Incredible.

 

[Dukemon102]

Just as Luffy reaches out to it, it's claimed by the true Pirate King...

CAPTAIN BUGGY-SAMA!

Nah. I'm sure Sakurai told Oda that Big Mom should take the invitation because without Mai we need more thicc ladies.

 

[Night Gale]

Dorpsbewoner was shown off in the final Smash direct last year though lmao

I never watch those completely. :/ I skim. I should pay more attention though if I miss out on s*** like Dorpsewoner

 

[OrpheusTelos]

If we're talking about Super Smash Flash reps, this crossover won't be complete until I get my boy Blade in Smash.

 

[PeridotGX]

I just think Hero and Banjo could’ve been executed way better than what we had. Sure the way I thought Hero should’ve been designed sounded boring, but they had the intentions of making Hero fun while reasonable. Banjo’s gimmick was legitimately awful, it felt like Sakurai was done with working on him since the rough draft of the character design.

In my opinion Banjo and Hero are some of the most fun characters on the roster, I don't see any problems with them (besides crits, those can probably go). Terry's OK, and I really don't like Joker's playstyle (I wouldn't change it though, he has his fans).

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

Either Arle Nadja or Dhovakiin.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Apparently in Dutch Mii Gunner is Mii Cyborg.

Implying the Mii had to have the gun surgically attached to it’s body is a weird thought.

 

[P.Kat]

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

Either Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Wars, or Shantae

 

[MooMew64]

Nah. I'm sure Sakurai told Oda that Big Mom should take the invitation because without Mai we need more thicc ladies.

Fun One Piece fact for those that are unfamiliar: Big Mom canonically has had 85 children, has had 43 husbands, and looks like this:

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Clearly a 10/10 waifu. She's in, guys.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I never watch those completely. :/ I skim. I should pay more attention though if I miss out on s*** like Dorpsewoner

It's Dorpsbewoner, you uneducated piece of..

Anyway, yeah, that's Dutch. And our language sucks. If you'd come to Amsterdam you probably wonder why we even speak it, because the whole city rather speaks English right now.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

Gooball from World of Goo Probably a Nintendo character if they don’t double dip with companies.

 

[Curious Villager]

But it undeniably does complicate the situation when a series pivots to a new character, even as the daughter of Professor Layton proper, at least for people who are less aware of the titles or have fallen off after years and just see a new Layton game advertised through Lady Layton as opposed to the Professor Layton they may have once known. That sort of decision does tend to effect perception of your series and its characters.

And that's kind of my point. Lady Layton came and went without fanfare and stands as the most recent game in the series after most people would agree that Layton got a bit saturated quite quickly in the DS era. Much like Yokai Watch, Level 5 tripled down on a successful IP until the luster wore off and people just became less interested (I knew several people who just got behind on the Layton games and just stopped caring because they were coming out so frequently). I don't think Level 5 has really done much to rehabilitate that image, and Lady Layton being controversial like you said further contributes to Layton as a whole just being less of a presence in people's minds. A black sheep as the most recent release combined with how pretty much mishandled the series was in terms of its sudden rise to success means it falls further and further out of favor in the public consciousness. I mean seriously, the first 4 Layton games were released in a 2 year period, and then you had Layton go without a release for 4 years to land on Lady Layton after Arazan Legacy. That sort of situation will hurt any franchise with over-exposure followed by sudden lack of exposure.

Meanwhile, compare that to Ace Attorney, which regularly has crossover appearances in other titles (Thanks in large part due to how Capcom operates), gets his games re-released with a fair amount of fanfare every couple of years, and hasn't really seen the same dropoff that I know Layton experienced at any point. It's just been an overall more consistent IP that Capcom has managed better than Level 5 has managed Layton. And just genuinely, I see more of the Smash fan base rallying around Phoenix Wright than I do around Layton at this point.

I think Layton has a chance and certainly still has fans as you pointed out, but I'm just trying to explain why Layton seems so much less favored in speculation these days (and honestly both of them have suffered from the whole, "Wait, we can get which third party characters now?" thing that the "more standard mid-tier Nintendo associated third parties" have suffered from).

I mean, isn't that basically why Sakurai is doing these showcases now? To inform newcomers to the franchise as well as giving them a good starting point if they are interested in trying the series out?

The original trilogy is currently receiving HD remasters on IOS and Android, and potentially also the Switch. If Sakurai needs to introduce new players to the series, especially those that feature Hershel himself over his daughter, he can redirect them towards the HD remasters that are released on IOS and Android devices, I'd imagine that it would be no skin off his back. After all, this is the same guy who told everyone to buy an XBOX...

That seems to be more of a Level-5 issue than a Layton series issue, like you said, they pulled this same stunt with the Yokai Watch series after how much of a huge hit it turned out to be in Japan. However, I don't really see Sakurai avoiding any characters just based off a company's business practices.
Oversaturation can be a problem yes unless you're called Pokemon however, the series has been seeing more demand for a return to form.

Moreover, its not like the Ace Attorney series is having it any better considering how the divisive the 3DS entries where, in fact, the second trilogies haven't been too kind to either series really. Whereas their original trilogies have been largely regarded as classics. In fact Nintendo Life's recent poll of best DS games had pretty much all entries in the Layton series present there with the third entry being present right in the top 10. So the series is still very much beloved and fondly remembered by many gamers.

Fair enough, both series do have quite a steep competition, but at the end of the day, it all falls up to Sakurai, if he wants a Level-5 character, I doubt he would care too much to how a given series was handled throughout its lifespan. At the end of the day, the Layton series was a big deal during the DS era and it has contributed a lot towards modern gaming as even Miyamoto himself acknowledged. He'd be included based on those metric's and the audience he can bring. Much like how it went for a number of other characters.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Implying the Mii had to have the gun surgically attached to it’s body is a weird thought.

It's better than Mii Schieter which would sooner imply a gun that shoots out miis as a chara- ok on second thought that sounds hilarious

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

Honestly it would be very confusing if FP5 is not a Namco character, but the only I can see is 2B.

 

[osby]

Anyway, yeah, that's Dutch. And our language sucks. If you'd come to Amsterdam you probably wonder why we even speak it, because the whole city rather speaks English right now.

Not really, I was too busy wondering why everyone's trying to run over me with their bicycles.

 

[Lady Kuki]

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

Geez... I was gonna say a Dark Souls character but they’re Bamco...
Maybe a Bethesda character then? Or something Koei Techmo related? That or it could be Sora.

 

[Opossum]

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Sol.

 

[Calamitas]

Fun One Piece fact for those that are unfamiliar: Big Mom canonically has had 85 children, has had 43 husbands, and looks like this:

Spoiler

Clearly a 10/10 waifu. She's in, guys.

Wasn't it also canon that she was more conventionally attractive when she was younger? I mean, Oda really can't help himself when it comes to that.

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

First-party character, duh. About time that Elma makes it in.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Sol.

Is this cause I got you hooked on Birthday Train?

Not really, I was too busy wondering why everyone's trying to run over me with their bicycles.

Not me, I smack people with bicycles

 

[MooMew64]

Wasn't it also canon that she was more conventionally attractive when she was younger? I mean, Oda really can't help himself when it comes to that.

Yeah, she looked more akin to a typical OP female in her younger days.

 

[osby]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Sol.

Now with 100% more "THAT IS BULLgoodboysandgirls BLAZING!"

 

[Opossum]

Is this cause I got you hooked on Birthday Train?

I will neither confirm nor deny. :V

 

[Deleted member]

If we're talking about Super Smash Flash reps, this crossover won't be complete until I get my boy Blade in Smash.

Can we count cut characters from Flash 2 as well? We can't get Neo because he's not a game character, but we can at least settle for Azrael.

Man, this game's done a complete 180

 

[osby]

Not me, I smack people with bicycles

Something Kiryu for Smash something

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

Honestly? Probably Layton, Reimu, or Sol Badguy. If Bamco and Capcom are out, we might be getting something completely out of left field. I don't feel comfortable putting my bets on one specific character yet, but whoever it's gonna be, it's prolly gonna catch everyone off-guard like Terry did.

 

[Leotsune]

People overestimate Monster Hunter's chances.
I honestly think the MH team couldn't care less about Smash, and its because Monster Hunter doesn't need any more promotion or exposure, literally next week they're gonna drop even more free content, in the form of what? You guessed it. A (returning) Monster.
We already have MH representation in Smash, in the form of Rathalos (and a couple of tracks), and I mean makes sense, specially considering how much care they put into each and every single monster in the games, that's the most important part and Im 100% sure the developers are incredibly honored to have the mascot and face of the franchise already in the game.
Its because of the importance the monsters have, they aren't that fancy of letting the hunter take the spotlight, you can say that was the case for MvC:I but I think that was more of a Capcom's attempt to give the game a bit more appeal to fans, and not the other way around.
What Im trying to say is: Monster Hunter is as good as it is right now, and aside from maybe more music, the franchise is perfectly represented in Smash, probaly the MH team thinks so too.
Of course Capcom and Sakurai have the final word but I can't see a reason why the hunter should join the fight at this point.

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Its so good to be a Monster Hunter fan nowadays, anyone hyped for Stygian Zinogre?! (if they are adding subspecies maybe Raging Brachydios has a shot!) just let me be im a mh fanboy

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Disney copyright leaks. Everyone expects Sora. The trailer begins, and you hear this.

Ah yes, region lock, my favorite Disney game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not really, I was too busy wondering why everyone's trying to run over me with their bicycles.

Cause they can't cycle for ****. I'm a garbage collector in the city, I wanted to be placed to a different side of the city because you see STUPID **** all day like.. people driving their bicycles (sometimes carrying children) RIGHT TOWARDS THE GARBAGE TRUCK DRIVING BACKWARDS. This summer was the worst.. had to shout people if they're stupid and why the **** I had to value their life and safety more than they do.

I'm happier and calmer now.

 

[SNEKeater]

Alright time to ask a fun question.

Assuming the next fighter is not from Capcom and Bandai Namco, who do you feel is the most likely character?

If it's not Namco or Capcom and we assume Sega, Microsoft, Square Enix, SNK and all the characters that Vergeben and Sabi have deconfirmed these last days are out, I think the likeliest options are:
- Level 5
- Arc System Works
- Reimu
- Travis Touchdown

At least that's how I see it.

 

[Dukemon102]

I'm going to laugh my ass off if after all this predictions about company representation. He ends up picking an indie no one saw coming.
Cuphead confirmed guys.

 

[SneakyLink]

I'm going to laugh my ass off if after all this predictions about company representation. He ends up picking an indie no one saw coming.
Cuphead confirmed guys.

If it’s my robot Otto Matic... I will be joyous!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm going to laugh my ass off if after all this predictions about company representation. He ends up picking an indie no one saw coming.
Cuphead confirmed guys.

[GUNVOLT INTENSIFIES]

 

[osby]

Cause they can't cycle for ****. I'm a garbage collector in the city, I wanted to be placed to a different side of the city because you see STUPID **** all day like.. people driving their bicycles (sometimes carrying children) RIGHT TOWARDS THE GARBAGE TRUCK DRIVING BACKWARDS. This summer was the worst.. had to shout people if they're stupid and why the **** I had to value their life and safety more than they do.

I'm happier and calmer now.

That sounds rough, glad things worked out for you.

 

[Flyboy]

Can't wait for the Game Awards to start and as the lights dim, we hear "Kaizoku ou ni ore wa naru!" and everyone has visible confusion.

The trailer will feature Toon Link on his ship being menaced by King K. Rool only for a Gum Gum Pistol to smack him aside and I and I alone start losing my ****