Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

What's a bit amusing about all of this is that this whole #5 speculation has become an extremely big wild goose chase. Just when people see a character or series as "Likely" life comes down with a giant, golden hammer to bring us back to square One.

It's a fun Goose chase but it's something amusing right now.

It’s the goose!!! it’s the Untitled Goose! !!! That’s the 5th character! You’re brilliant!!!

 

[SpectreJordan]

...Edit time

 

[Lamperouge]

What in God's name is this.

An extremely flattering figure of our favorite android girl.

I don’t get why we take what this Fatman dude says seriously lmao

All I know about Fatman is that the Geno support thread ******* worships him.

 

[Deleted member]

For Fatman, he literally dragged the conversation regarding Hero because there was no way a stat he believed indicated height (a stat which pretty much is a mystery) showed that the character was smaller than Mario, that Swordsmen couldn't have weird framedata and that since the composer od DQ is awful to work with the music would be impossible to get. He is incredibly biased for characters that were big in the Brawl era of speculation and disregards modern characters.

 

[Lady Kuki]

Hahaha... all of my picks have long been deconfirmed except for MAYBE a 3H character. You should've seen the look on my face when Zero became an Assist Trophy. I am numb to any announcement of any character at this point :^) *sobs quietly*

 

[Hexodus]

Still think an Indie rep of some sort could help explain the sheer secrecy surrounding #5.

The smaller the company, the easier it is to keep tabs on the employees and make sure nothing leaks. And, if leaks happen anyways, to narrow down which employee is anonymously leaking information to people like Verge/Sabi/whomstever, which might be why those leakers claim their sources are so very, very skittish about telling them #5's identity outright.

Also, indie studios are frequently one-hit wonders. They have one franchise that hits it big, and nothing else they're really known for. So giving away the company would end up being more revealing than for a bigger corporate entity with a larger portfolio of games. For example, "Capcom rep" gives lots of options, but "Team Cherry rep" is synonymous with Hollow Knight.

The only problem is... it's difficult to predict which indie studio/character/game would get prioritized over the ones that already have "lesser rep" in the form of costumes, spirits, and trophies. Unless they make an exception and break that "rule" for the first time... and the only one of those three indies I can see
"breaking" that rule is the one that's not represented with its actual protagonist.

Hope I'm able to contribute to the discussion a little. I would very much like some of the characters already tossed around in speculation, like Phoenix, but it feels like it's only a matter of time before every character people are already talking about gets deconfirmed some way or another....

 

[Plank08]

Remember guys. Spirits deconfirmed the first Pass. Post-Pass Spirit characters have a chance. Not all is lost.

Sorry but if they added spirits for them after post pass was already decided then all hope is lost

 

[yeet123]

Wow Nintendo straight up said, “Let me deconfirm more characters for you thirsty f****s.”

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Pfff Resident Evil Spirits was random as ****. Oh well, if this deconfirms, RIP Leon, my third most wanted. But I doubt it does tbh.

 

[VongolaFair]

Farewell Leon, we will never forget you.

 

[Lady Kuki]

Still think an Indie rep of some sort could help explain the sheer secrecy surrounding #5.

The smaller the company, the easier it is to keep tabs on the employees and make sure nothing leaks. And, if leaks happen anyways, to narrow down which employee is anonymously leaking information to people like Verge/Sabi/whomstever, which might be why those leakers claim their sources are so very, very skittish about telling them #5's identity outright.

Also, indie studios are frequently one-hit wonders. They have one franchise that hits it big, and nothing else they're really known for. So giving away the company would end up being more revealing than for a bigger corporate entity with a larger portfolio of games. For example, "Capcom rep" gives lots of options, but "Team Cherry rep" is synonymous with Hollow Knight.

I'm gonna be real here: Why do people expect Hollow Knight? Isn't he like barely a year old? And does he have any sort of presence in Japan whatsoever? Like, wouldn't it be a bit TOO early to have him show up in a major crossover game? I'm sure it's a great game and all (As a Metroidvania/Platformer geek, it sounds right up my alley), but I always thought he was a pipe dream tbh. We don't even know if his games will stand the test of time: What if his next games aren't as good? What if he gets overshadowed by other indies years from now? There always seems to be at least one big indie title per year, after all.

This reasoning is why I'm pretty iffy on indie characters as a whole for right now. I used to be a bit weirded out by the possibility of the year old (at the time the ballot was a thing) Shovel Knight and Shantae (she's older of course, but I didn't see much clamor for her until the ballot), but now they're becoming more mainstream so I think they're approaching fair game status with me.

 

[cothero]

After Gordon got deconfirmed, Leon was all i wanted. Guess we'll see even more beloved characters joining VergeSabi's graveyard until the Game Awards.

 

[Opossum]

Hahaha... all of my picks have long been deconfirmed except for MAYBE a 3H character. You should've seen the look on my face when Zero became an Assist Trophy. I am numb to any announcement of any character at this point :^) *sobs quietly*

If it's any consolation, I think a Three Houses character stands a good shot at post-Pass DLC. Then again I thought the same about Resident Evil before tonight, but still. There's hope at least.

Also wow I didn't know you had an account here. Love your art!

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Pfff Resident Evil Spirits was random as ****. Oh well, if this deconfirms, RIP Leon, my third most wanted. But I doubt it does tbh.

Why do you doubt it as a deconfirmation?

I'm gonna be real here: Why do people expect Hollow Knight? Isn't he like barely a year old? And does he have any sort of presence in Japan whatsoever? Like, wouldn't it be a bit TOO early to have him show up in a major crossover game? I'm sure it's a great game and all (As a Metroidvania/Platformer geek, it sounds right up my alley), but I always thought he was a pipe dream tbh. We don't even know if his games will stand the test of time: What if his next games aren't as good? What if he gets overshadowed by other indies years from now? There always seems to be at least one big indie title per year, after all.

Yeah, to be honest, if Shantae, Shovel Knight, and Sans (Undertale) all didn't get the playable boat, I'm not exactly expecting Hornet or any other brand new Indie IP to be anywhere close to Smash.

Reimu is an Indie I could see happening though, but she has 23 years of history lol.

 

[Plank08]

I'm just waiting for the day I wake up and see a tweet from Nintendo VS saying "Settle it in the courtroom! For 5 days, Phoenix, Edgeworth, Athena, and Apollo will appear on the Spirit Board in Super #SmashBrosUltimate!"

It’s scary because that sounds totally possible

 

[Lady Kuki]

If it's any consolation, I think a Three Houses character stands a good shot at post-Pass DLC. Then again I thought the same about Resident Evil before tonight, but still. There's hope at least.

Also wow I didn't know you had an account here. Love your art!

AAAHH thank you! Ahem... where was I? Oh yeah. I reeeally enjoyed Three Houses and I'd be down for literally anyone from the game. Yes. Even Cyril. Or Gatekeeper. It's one of my new favorite FEs I just wanna kick some butt with a Fodlan person already haha.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

Daemon X Machina. Technically, the IP is Marvelous'

Ah...I wasn't sure of that game was technically a first-party IP. Mkay mkay.

But still! That's a Switch exclusive and the first in its franchise. Something as big as RE? That's new. In the last year, that's our first franchise with potential for playable status. (Again, I never thought we were getting a character from them, but there was potential there.) No Soul Calibur, Tales of, Doom, Mortal Kombat, Tekken, Ace Attorney, Devil May Cry, Elder Scrolls, Overwatch, Starcraft, Assassin's Creed, Minecraft, Crash Bandicoot, Skylanders...but RE?

 

[Droodle]

It’s scary because that sounds totally possible

You know even if that does happen, I'd still be happy because one of my favorite series is AT LEAST represented in Smash; even as a spirit.

That's the joy in not caring who's going to get in; you just get to appreciate Smash for what it is, an insanely amazing crossover filled with amazing characters.

Obviously I would be extremely hyped if my personal favorites got in, but I'll still celebrate characters that I may not be familiar with at all... because Sakurai knows how to make them all special in their own little ways.

 

[Plank08]

You know even if that does happen, I'd still be happy because one of my favorite series is AT LEAST represented in Smash; even as a spirit.

That's the joy in not caring who's going to get in; you just get to appreciate Smash for what it is, an insanely amazing crossover filled with amazing characters.

Obviously I would be extremely hyped if my personal favorites got in, but I'll still celebrate characters that I may not be familiar with at all... because Sakurai knows how to make them all special in their own little ways.

Yeah as much as a talk like Sackboy as a fighter is the ONLY option, I would gladly take a Mii costume, or a stage, or music, or just spirits if I have no other choice. I just want it to be recognized

 

[Lady Kuki]

Why do you doubt it as a deconfirmation?



Yeah, to be honest, if Shantae, Shovel Knight, and Sans (Undertale) all didn't get the playable boat, I'm not exactly expecting Hornet or any other brand new Indie IP to be anywhere close to Smash.

Reimu is an Indie I could see happening though, but she has 23 years of history lol.

DUDE I love Touhou how did I forget about Reimu? Honestly she and Quote (poor guy barely gets any requests) are the only indies I feel are worth being in Smash as a full character. Like, Touhou is huuuge. Too big for Comikets in Japan, tons of high quality fanmade animations and remixes most franchises would die for... need I say more?

You know even if that does happen, I'd still be happy because one of my favorite series is AT LEAST represented in Smash; even as a spirit.

That's the joy in not caring who's going to get in; you just get to appreciate Smash for what it is, an insanely amazing crossover filled with amazing characters.

Obviously I would be extremely hyped if my personal favorites got in, but I'll still celebrate characters that I may not be familiar with at all... because Sakurai knows how to make them all special in their own little ways.

I hear you on that one. Personally I'm so hungry for Klonoa content I'd be satisfied with a Klonoa spirit ;~;
I don't think I've ever really gotten a character in Smash I 100% wanted... there was Bowser Jr. and Lucina but I don't like their movesets. Joker, I really like but I'm more of a Persona 4 person... Always been close but no cigar. My Smash history mostly is just me looking into other chars, mostly ones I don't recognize and giving them a shot. Wouldn't be surprised if this were the 5th time in a Smash game I'd be doing this.

 

[KatKit]

Previously on Fatman:

Spoiler: Part 1: The Leaker Scene

I’m not that familiar with the players within the leaker scene, I’ve seen Fatmans user name here before, but who exactly is Fatman and what did he do?

I wish I knew, Commissioner Jordan. But surely Fatman is a myth? There's enough trouble in our city, so I also avoid the leaker scene. Some call Fatman a hero, but I say he's a no good vigilante.

Spoiler: Part 2: Ol' Geno's Place

Who the hell is this Fatman I've seen talked about on the last couple of pages?

What's a kid like you reading the Brotham City Times for?! That sensational garbage. Anyway, you're a good kid, Rick Drayson, so a word of advice: that Fatman is bad news. He doesn't speak much, if he's even real at all, but his word is treated like gospel. There's a certain group that hang out over at old Geno's place downtown that formed a Fatman cult of some kind. Great, like we needed more vigilantes recklessly tearing up our city. It's all crazy I tell ya! Gone are the days of open and shut cases. When, if ever was Fatman right? Never, I say. Never. Don't listen to what the papers have to say, kid. This gal's been on the force almost as long as Commissioner Jordan himself.

Later that day...

Spoiler: Part 3: I Am Fatman

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Deuce?! Did you just refer to me as Deuce, Alfredo? In my own workout studio? The man they know as world renowned Fitness Instructor Deuce Payne is a charade. Deuce Payne ceased to exist the day his parents died in that drive-thru car crash. Survivors guilt caused that orphan boy to eat his weight in comfort food thrice over. He spent years developing an extreme workout regime to take all of it off. In doing so, that boy became a man who mastered the ultimate exercise routine. Unbeknownst to the rest of the world, when sped up, said exercise is also the deadliest martial art on the planet. That man may have shed the pounds, Alfredo, but the weight of his parent's death will never go away. That is why I don the Fatsuit and fight evil one calorie at a time. I am vengeance. I am chubby. I. Am. Fatman!

And now for Part 4: Straight to the Point

Has Fatman been accurate with his predictions before?

He's Fatman, not Nostradamus! Your guess is as good as mine, Yang, but my guess is as good as his.

That's all for now, kids. Tune in next time. Same fat time, same fat channel.

 

[SNEKeater]

It not sure how creditable fat man is but he mentioned 3 most likely candidates for the 5th character from his searching

Lloyd
Nightmare
Sol badguy

He said Lloyd is his guess and he said he will explain why later

Lol not again
I mean I know it's Fatman and I don't think that it's an actual hint but after seeing Dante being mentioned and deconfirmed in less than 1-2 hours and Nintendo destroying Resident Evil chances the last thing I wanted today is reading Sol Badguy's name being thrown like this.

Why? Because I'm pretty sure Sabi or Verge will deconfirm him besides Lloyd and Nightmare sooner or later even if it's only to add more names to our graveyard

 

[TheCJBrine]

Fatman also said he didn't believe Erdrick was coming.

Based on his own speculation before he joined the insider discord thanks to Sabi.

And he still just gives his own speculation based on info going around in the discord.

I feel everyone has the wrong idea about him and I don’t understand it. If y’all actually read his posts in the Geno thread, maybe y’all would get it.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Why do you doubt it as a deconfirmation?

Honestly, after a Trophy of Lucas and Mewtwo showed up in Smash 4 and they still both got in, I don't count anything as a hard deconfirm. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

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— Shane (@RealShanes) November 27, 2019

Bring it in campers, we finally found out who the last DLC fighter is

 

[Ivander]

IKR IKR.

It's just that...ever since Hero didn't get female alts, I'm pretty much mixed with MH.

The Hero deal may most likely be because of Luminary and Eight not having a female alt compared to Erdrick and Solo and them having to decide on 4 Heroes altogether.

This would not be the case for Monster Hunter, who is always either a male or female in their games. And not only that, but the Armors for the males and the females are different to warrant as alternate costumes.
Not to mention I doubt they would leave out the most popular Female Armor variations like Kirin.....*looks*........frick, flap skirt....,well, we still have Narga...*looks*....exposed and not even trying to hide, although they could get away with leggings......*looks at the other popular female armors*.......short skirts with very short shorts...of course the majority of the female armors, especially the popular ones, would have a CERO magnet...the only popular female armors I can find that actually have pants are the Rathian armor and G-rank Barioth armor(which I sincerely hope gets in as a Monster Hunter Alternate costume as the G-Rank Barioth armor is the frickin' best).
But when I think about it, the Rathalos and Hunter Armor Mii costumes did get in Smash and the Female armors were exposed....maybe their case is not as bad as I think it may be...

 

[SNEKeater]

【スピリッツイベント】迫りくる恐怖に打ち勝て！ バイオハザード
出現スピリッツその2
スピリッツ名：レオン（バイオハザード）
種類：アタッカー
階級：HOPE
スキル：投てきアイテム強化
出典：バイオハザード シリーズ#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/w2vAfLf9l6

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) November 27, 2019

I love that the Villagers are the Ganados

But I don't love Leon being a 2 stars spirit, that's a disrespect for my boi I can't handle

 

[Droodle]

Lol not again
I mean I know it's Fatman and I don't think that it's an actual hint but after seeing Dante being mentioned and deconfirmed in less than 1-2 hours and Nintendo destroying Resident Evil chances the last thing I wanted today is reading Sol Badguy's name being thrown like this.

Why? Because I'm pretty sure Sabi or Verge will deconfirm him besides Lloyd and Nightmare sooner or later even if it's only to add more names to our graveyard

Hey, I've been saying Sol or Ragna are really likely from the start. Arcsys's popularity has risen tremendously since DBFZ launched, and I think Sakurai also played Blazblue back in the day. They are one of the most well known fighting game developers nowadays.

Personally, I'd say an Arcsys fighter is even more likely then Heihachi; Heihachi primarily uses punches/kicks which is already present within 3 different fighting game characters within Smash. Sol or Ragna could both do some really cool stuff with their kits that isn't present in Smash.

That said, I think they are more likely post-pass and not as FP 5.

Also in terms of Fatman's comments, I don't think Nightmare will get in before a Tekken character. Tekken is the far more known and renowned Bamco fighting game franchise and on top of that Nightmare doesn't have tons of demand.

 

[P.Kat]

Hey everyone what's u-

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate getting new Resident Evil spirits https://t.co/SjNpxD7a6v pic.twitter.com/39UhCAAy1A

— Nintendo Everything (@NinEverything) November 27, 2019

wala na. Finish na

Geez I left for a bit and THIS is what happens? Me goodness, I'm sorry to those who was looking forward to RE characters being revealed.
I guess this leaves Morrigan, Phoenix Wright, and...

must not speak her name lest she gets cursed and deconfirmed.

You know what, I'm gonna take a page out of Black Velvet's book, and not say the character's name either.

Spoiler

 

[Hexodus]

I'm gonna be real here: Why do people expect Hollow Knight? Isn't he like barely a year old? And does he have any sort of presence in Japan whatsoever? Like, wouldn't it be a bit TOO early to have him show up in a major crossover game? I'm sure it's a great game and all (As a Metroidvania/Platformer geek, it sounds right up my alley), but I always thought he was a pipe dream tbh. We don't even know if his games will stand the test of time: What if his next games aren't as good? What if he gets overshadowed by other indies years from now? There always seems to be at least one big indie title per year, after all.

This reasoning is why I'm pretty iffy on indie characters as a whole for right now. I used to be a bit weirded out by the possibility of the year old (at the time the ballot was a thing) Shovel Knight and Shantae (she's older of course, but I didn't see much clamor for her until the ballot), but now they're becoming more mainstream so I think they're approaching fair game status with me.

Honestly, I'm not expecting Hollow Knight particularly much. It's just that Team Cherry's studio name was the first one I thought of off the top of my head. I didn't intend it to be taken as me saying it's the most likely choice. I think it's entirely up to Sakurai's whims, since his picks are often not the community at large's picks.

Yeah, to be honest, if Shantae, Shovel Knight, and Sans (Undertale) all didn't get the playable boat, I'm not exactly expecting Hornet or any other brand new Indie IP to be anywhere close to Smash.

Does Sans even fully deconfirm Undertale? Popular as he may be, he's only a side character.

 

[kirbsmash]

CHRIS NOOOOOOOO MY BABY BOI

 

[cothero]

Interestingly, no Bandai Namco characters have been deconfirmed yet. Also, if the color theory is correct, any character from Bandai Namco could fit the orange color pattern (Bandai Namco's logo is orange). I'm starting to believe that the only info Sabi and Vergeben knows is the company which fighter #5 is from, and it really might be Bandai Namco - that's why they keep deconfirming characters.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Does Sans even fully deconfirm Undertale? Popular as he may be, he's only a side character.

Not sure if he disconfirms further Undertale stuff, but saying “he’s only a side character” is pretty much saying the human is the only important character since the others aren’t really on a much different level from Sans except maybe Flowey I guess.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

As exciting as the past few hours have been, it also makes me wish Fighter 5 was closer to their reveal date.

To be honest, if there's anything about Fighter 5 (and any future DLC characters) I want leaked, it's the reveal date. If the leakers want to stay tight-lipped about Fighter 5's identity, that's fine by me, but at least tell us when we can expect to see them revealed.

 

[Hexodus]

Not sure if he disconfirms further Undertale stuff, but saying “he’s only a side character” is pretty much saying the human is the only important character since the others aren’t really on a much different level from Sans except maybe Flowey I guess.

Sans is plenty important, as are all of the other characters in Undertale. However, while it may not be an ironclad rule, Smash has always been heavily biased towards protagonists as a franchises' first rep. The main exceptions are Pokemon (kind of a special case, Pokemon Trainer wouldn't have worked on N64), and games that literally don't have protagonists in any meaningful sense (such as Wii Fit). For example, the blank-slate Villager got in before Isabelle did, despite being nothing more than a player avatar and not the real draw of the game (aka, the various animal villagers and NPCs to talk to).

 

[DevaAshera]

Honestly, after a Trophy of Lucas and Mewtwo showed up in Smash 4 and they still both got in, I don't count anything as a hard deconfirm. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't.

I mean, that's kind of a different case, the trophies were included in base game, after it went gold and before DLC characters were decided upon while these Resident Evil Spirits are post-DLC being decided on. The only possibility are if Sakurai decided to use an RE character after deciding to include Spirits for the series and he didn't feel like taking any of them out of the lineup or waiting until that DLC released.

 

[lordvaati]

So 2 things I've come to terms with currently:

-There is an extremely high chance the final Fighter's Pass character will be a Namco one.
-If Spirits do deconfirm, then Porky has a high chance of being a post Pass character due to being the only major Earthbound/Mother character to have no Spirits at all when they did the anniversary event.

 

[PSIGuy]

If Spirits deconfirm then I can’t believe we’re getting Byleth, Akira Howard, Adeleine, Sylux, Porky, Cross from Xenoblade X, Foreman Spike and the kid from StarTropics as fighters...

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Interestingly, no Bandai Namco characters have been deconfirmed yet. Also, if the color theory is correct, any character from Bandai Namco could fit the orange color pattern. I'm starting to believe that the only info Sabi and Vergeben knows is the company which fighter #5 is from, and it really might be Bandai Namco.

And with Heihachi being nowhere to be seen it certainly raises eyebrows.

 

[GoodGrief741]

If Spirits deconfirm then I can’t believe we’re getting Byleth, Akira Howard, Adeleine, Sylux, Porky, Cross from Xenoblade X, Foreman Spike and the kid from StarTropics as fighters...

His name is Mike Jones, thank you very much.