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Yeah but Joker only has references to persona and doesn’t acknowledge SMT at all, and Cloud only focuses on FF7, which when cloud came out was a PS1 exclusive, so I don’t think it matters if you have a presence at Nintendo.
My biggest issue with Gordon Freeman as a character is less his legacy as a gaming icon and more the fact that Half Life has literally ZERO history with Nintendo. If he were added he'd 1000% need to be revealed alongside a game reveal in my opinion. I'd personally be cool with Gordon but I do feel his lack of Nintendo history does knock him down a few pegs in terms of realization. But now if he does come and he doesn't come with a game announcement for the Switch. I'd more excited for the possibility of other possible characters with no Nintendo history showing up. Like Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, Master Chief, and Claptrap the list goes on.
Tell that to Disney plus
Notability? Of course not. I know an indie from a AAA franchise. I'm just having fun. Its amusing how people write off a character (even though the comment was comparing them to Geno's scenario). Besides, I'm one who much rather see Doom Soldier, or Master Chief even if I hate fps because I know how big of a deal they are. Even if I prefer a Res Evil rep or Sora. (And Lara Croft)
Yes. Yes please. All the Portal gimmicks would be much more fun of a moveset too. Test platforms and goo along with portals and item chucking.
I figured this was fake. The Monsun guy was basically piggybacking as there was already leaks on Half Life: Alyx before that and basically threw "Gordon Freeman in Smash" to get more attention. Basically the "Dante in Smash" rumor last year where one person got DMC5 info correct but then threw Smash info in there. Basically, anyone can throw in something about Smash in a rumor.
Watch someone make a very convincing leak on the player character from an old Atari game called "Adventure" being in Smash. It did have the first easter egg after all. Now that'll start a discussion!
Sabi still gets it the worst and she also posts here occasionally, IIRC.
I'm pretty sure that he has a thick enough skin to not be bothered by a few people in one thread on here saying that they don't like him that much.
This is really cool, thanks a lot for putting it together.
Yeah I guess your right
We shouldn't forget that Auto Chess (A Dota 2 map that became a standalone game after its devs amiaciably split from Valve) is confirmed to come to the Switch next year. Sure. it's not Valve (Drodo Studios, Chinese FTR), but Nintendo's probably well aware what Auto Chess started off as.
I see what you did there.
When was this? I looked it up and only saw a rumor for Underlords and nothing in regards to the other two.
That's really cool of you to compile this, well done!So over the past few days, I did a little…something.
Basically, I looked at the forums for Ultimate and previous installments here on Smashboards to look and tally what characters are/were getting the most discussion.
https://smashboards.com/forums/newcomer-speculation.584/
https://smashboards.com/forums/character-discussion.291/
https://smashboards.com/forums/brawl-character-discussion.118/
Some notes before I post the results:
-I’m only counting the threads that were, at the time, about newcomers. So you won’t be seeing the Snake and Wolf support threads for Smash 4.
-The way I tallied the characters that actually got confirmed works a bit differently. For example, Sonic’s initial Brawl thread in total has 390 pages, but I only counted the first 215 pages, as that was the page when he got announced back in October 2007. I did this because I wanted to show where some of these characters were back then they were speculated/rumored characters like the rest of them.
So, without further ado…
Brawl
-It’s kinda crazy to think that there was a point in time where Krystal was actually a highly requested/speculated character on the same level as Ridley, Mega Man, Geno, etc.
-Speaking of which, as you can plainly see, Geno reigns supreme in this era, having more pages in his thread than even Ridley.
-Ashley had a notable following even back in 2008!
-Although dwarfed by Krystal, Wolf was also a pretty popular discussion. It feels kinda like the opposite of K. Rool and Dixie, whereas in this case the villain/antagonist was overshadowed by the gurl character.
-Wah
-Yes, Masked Man was kind of popular in the Brawl era. It’s really weird.
-Isaac and K. Rool were surprisingly not that big during this period. Isaac only had about 50 pages IIRC and K. Rool only around 27.
Smash 4
-In this era, you can see that characters like Geno and Krystal had declined in popularity. The latter still had some noticeable presence with over 300 pages, but poor ol’ Geno couldn’t even crack 100 in his thread.
-The two lizard kings rule supreme in this era. Here’s a fun fact: Ridley’s thread was actually closed in October 2014, and yet he still has by far the most pages of any Smash 4 candidate. Not even K. Rool got anywhere close to him.
-In general, there’s a lot more discussions about these characters going on than in the Brawl era. For example, Ridley has thousands upon thousands of pages in his Smash 4 thread, while his Brawl thread had only a little over 400.
-Yes, Bandana Dee somehow basically became the gatekeeper between the lizard kings and the peasants, boasting over 700 pages to his name.
-Out of all the characters that made it into the game, Shulk seemed to be the most popular, with over 400 pages in his thread prior to his announcement.
-Yes, Daisy had 200 pages in her thread. Let us never speak of this again
Ultimate
-Geno rules supreme once again, baby. That interview with Sakurai back in 2016, where he admitted that he wanted to make Geno playable in Smash prior, is pretty much what brought the character back into the limelight, after being on the decline for most of Smash 4’s duration.
-Right under him is Isaac, who, despite being hard deconfirmed as an assist trophy at around 742 pages, still has had quite a bit of discussion since then, almost nearing 1000 pages.
-Shantae has over 800 pages in her thread. I don’t know.
-Banjo & Kazooie make their first notable appearance, with over 600 pages of discussion before they were announced back at E3 this year. I imagine the continued collaborations between Nintendo and Microsoft (Minecraft crossplay, Cuphead, etc) and that other highly requested Rare character making it in is what helped really fan the flames with these two.
-There’s Ashley again. She was deconfirmed as an AT around page 148, but she’s still had a little extra bit of discussion since then, almost nearing 200 pages.
-Sup Elma
Some final notes:
-It would seem that, prior to his confirmation in Ultimate, Ridley remained the only consistently big (no pun intended) character around these forums. K. Rool didn’t really make noise until Smash 4, Geno had declined in popularity for most of Smash 4, and Banjo & Kazooie were pretty much just LOL until Phil Spencer gave us his blessings and when K. Rool got announced.
-It goes without saying that the longer a character goes without being announced, the longer their support thread will be. For example, Mega Man was one of the biggest characters during Brawl, and yet he’s absent from the Smash 4 image, obviously because he had the honor of being one of the very first characters announced. Same thing with Ridley and Ultimate.
This got me wondering something...So over the past few days, I did a little…something.
Basically, I looked at the forums for Ultimate and previous installments here on Smashboards to look and tally what characters are/were getting the most discussion.
https://smashboards.com/forums/newcomer-speculation.584/
https://smashboards.com/forums/character-discussion.291/
https://smashboards.com/forums/brawl-character-discussion.118/
Some notes before I post the results:
-I’m only counting the threads that were, at the time, about newcomers. So you won’t be seeing the Snake and Wolf support threads for Smash 4.
-The way I tallied the characters that actually got confirmed works a bit differently. For example, Sonic’s initial Brawl thread in total has 390 pages, but I only counted the first 215 pages, as that was the page when he got announced back in October 2007. I did this because I wanted to show where some of these characters were back then they were speculated/rumored characters like the rest of them.
So, without further ado…
Brawl
-It’s kinda crazy to think that there was a point in time where Krystal was actually a highly requested/speculated character on the same level as Ridley, Mega Man, Geno, etc.
-Speaking of which, as you can plainly see, Geno reigns supreme in this era, having more pages in his thread than even Ridley.
-Ashley had a notable following even back in 2008!
-Although dwarfed by Krystal, Wolf was also a pretty popular discussion. It feels kinda like the opposite of K. Rool and Dixie, whereas in this case the villain/antagonist was overshadowed by the gurl character.
-Wah
-Yes, Masked Man was kind of popular in the Brawl era. It’s really weird.
-Isaac and K. Rool were surprisingly not that big during this period. Isaac only had about 50 pages IIRC and K. Rool only around 27.
Smash 4
-In this era, you can see that characters like Geno and Krystal had declined in popularity. The latter still had some noticeable presence with over 300 pages, but poor ol’ Geno couldn’t even crack 100 in his thread.
-The two lizard kings rule supreme in this era. Here’s a fun fact: Ridley’s thread was actually closed in October 2014, and yet he still has by far the most pages of any Smash 4 candidate. Not even K. Rool got anywhere close to him.
-In general, there’s a lot more discussions about these characters going on than in the Brawl era. For example, Ridley has thousands upon thousands of pages in his Smash 4 thread, while his Brawl thread had only a little over 400.
-Yes, Bandana Dee somehow basically became the gatekeeper between the lizard kings and the peasants, boasting over 700 pages to his name.
-Out of all the characters that made it into the game, Shulk seemed to be the most popular, with over 400 pages in his thread prior to his announcement.
-Yes, Daisy had 200 pages in her thread. Let us never speak of this again
Ultimate
-Geno rules supreme once again, baby. That interview with Sakurai back in 2016, where he admitted that he wanted to make Geno playable in Smash prior, is pretty much what brought the character back into the limelight, after being on the decline for most of Smash 4’s duration.
-Right under him is Isaac, who, despite being hard deconfirmed as an assist trophy at around 742 pages, still has had quite a bit of discussion since then, almost nearing 1000 pages.
-Shantae has over 800 pages in her thread. I don’t know.
-Banjo & Kazooie make their first notable appearance, with over 600 pages of discussion before they were announced back at E3 this year. I imagine the continued collaborations between Nintendo and Microsoft (Minecraft crossplay, Cuphead, etc) and that other highly requested Rare character making it in is what helped really fan the flames with these two.
-There’s Ashley again. She was deconfirmed as an AT around page 148, but she’s still had a little extra bit of discussion since then, almost nearing 200 pages.
-Sup Elma
Some final notes:
-It would seem that, prior to his confirmation in Ultimate, Ridley remained the only consistently big (no pun intended) character around these forums. K. Rool didn’t really make noise until Smash 4, Geno had declined in popularity for most of Smash 4, and Banjo & Kazooie were pretty much just LOL until Phil Spencer gave us his blessings and when K. Rool got announced.
-It goes without saying that the longer a character goes without being announced, the longer their support thread will be. For example, Mega Man was one of the biggest characters during Brawl, and yet he’s absent from the Smash 4 image, obviously because he had the honor of being one of the very first characters announced. Same thing with Ridley and Ultimate.
Ridley, without question. Dude's had a consistently large presence since Melee.
What was it even used for?
Yeah I agree, I don't think the amount of posts in a character thread automatically translates to a character's popularity or how requested they are. From just browsing the Geno topic a few times I feel like it's another general speculation thread with an additional focus on Geno sometimes. But it's still interesting to see how big some threads have become.
Here.
It's also just a reality that a lot of the support for first parties has collapsed during the Ultimate speculation cycle. Look at any more recent poll, and they're still dominated by third parties because people are just more interested in them (and not because "they're considered more likely," people genuinely support these characters). Nintendo is paying attention to how these things play out in regards to sales and attention, and it's clear that third parties have proved themselves to be successful picks for Smash vs a great deal of the first parties at this point.
Eh, better than what F-zero is having.
I'll say. It's like Miamoto is embarrassed by it, given how he thought F-Zero GX, what fans hold as the best in the series, didn't do anything interesting. I wonder if he wishes Sakurai didn't slap Captain Falcon's model onto his old Dragon Fighter character.
Miyamoto's always been a "we need new ways to play to justify new games" kind of man. For example, he said so in the Smosh Games interview. And really, that philosophy is the very thing which made Nintendo what it is today (because that philosophy lead to Miyamoto creating Mario, Zelda, Star Fox etc.). And has become Nintendo's overall motto (with exceptions of course). Star Fox Zero, as the video notes, was born out of this desire to innovate on new ways to play. Again, if they can find something new with F-Zero, they'll do so. But the only way I can really see it (as an complete outsider) is something like a F-Zero VR game.
Incredibly frustrating?
"Turns out"
I feel like this can be explained with the fact that Banjo and Kazooie were more popular before the Brawl era, when Sakurai made that poll on the Japanese-only website, two and a half years before the Melee release. They did very well in those polls (which is no small feat considering it was Japan-only), but the Rare buyout happened and most people thought it was impossible from the Melee era all the way to the Smash Ballot, which was when we got the first Phil Spencer tweet. Seeing Microsoft be okay with the idea was probably what reignited the requests for the bear and bird.
No, Miyamoto just wants F-Zero to have gimmicks in order to make a new game.
You're saying he wasn't a top tier request already?
I mean in that they would of been much, much more vocal and apparant back then.
Organizational culture and groupthink's one hell of a drug. Especially when the man responsible for that kind of thinking helped shape the company alongside Gunpei Yokoi, Iwata and others. Those guys also thought similarily.
*Looks at Tattoo Crash, which was the current Crash during the Brawl era.*
We'd have Banjo-Tattooie.
Then again, that was during the time Nuts and Bolts was being developed so Banjo was a literal pipe dream.
