Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Mushroomguy12]

Every time someone argues for Resident Evil on the basis that it's Capcom's biggest selling franchise, I always feel tempted to bring up Capcom's other biggest selling franchise: Monster Hunter, which I feel is even more slept on than Resident Evil (which at least gets regularly brought up here).

I've made my case for this before, but I think a playable Monster Hunter character is very likely to be DLC, just based on how little content from the series is currently in Ultimate. If it's not Fighter 5, it's definitely post-Pass.

Only if his Final Smash is literally just this...

Your username and profile pic is emblematic of a third franchise of Capcom's that is probably the strongest associated franchise with Nintendo alongside Megaman. One that really should be talked about more as well.

 

[KillerCage]

I don't think Orpheus was being serious lol.

I'm pretty sure that's just a silly edit that someone made for a joke.

To quote Chuggaaconroy:
I. AM. AN. IDIOT. BOX!

 

[Opossum]

You know, regardless of whether or not the leak is real, I'd kinda love to see the joy on Geoff Keighley's face if Nintendo announced Gordon Freeman at The Game Awards.

Geoff is a massive Half-Life fan and talks about it any chance he gets. Like, given his game journalism background, it's incredibly clear it's special to him. One of his first investigative pieces in The Final Hours was for Half-Life, and he did one for Half-Life 2 once it came out. And then he announced he was going to bring the Final Hours back after a half-decade-long hiatus with a piece on Half-Life: Alyx.

So I think he'd pretty much die on stage if they put Half-Life in Smash and announced it at The Game Awards, his biggest passion project.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Your username and profile pic is emblematic of a third franchise of Capcom's that is probably the strongest associated franchise with Nintendo alongside Megaman. One that really should be talked about more as well.

Funnily enough, my current profile avatar is of Phoenix Wright in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, which, as far as I know, is one of only two instances of Phoenix Wright appearing in a game on a non-Nintendo console, the other being the Ace Attorney Trilogy mobile phone ports.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Every time someone argues for Resident Evil on the basis that it's Capcom's biggest selling franchise, I always feel tempted to bring up Capcom's other biggest selling franchise: Monster Hunter, which I feel is even more slept on than Resident Evil (which at least gets regularly brought up here).

I've made my case for this before, but I think a playable Monster Hunter character is very likely to be DLC, just based on how little content from the series is currently in Ultimate. If it's not Fighter 5, it's definitely post-Pass.

Only if his Final Smash is literally just this...

Monster Hunter would likely be a great pick, however I think it's worth mentioning that it's already in the game, and therefore crossing over. There's more to gain, in my humble opinion, in adding an entirely new series than retreading one that has a boss fight and music.

I'm fairly certain the reason most people don't expect Monster Hunter is just because of the crossover aspect, and it already being in Smash. At least it has something. Resident Evil has nothing.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Monster Hunter would likely be a great pick, however I think it's worth mentioning that it's already in the game, and therefore crossing over. There's more to gain, in my humble opinion, in adding an entirely new series than retreading one that has a boss fight and music.

I'm fairly certain the reason most people don't expect Monster Hunter is just because of the crossover aspect, and it already being in Smash. At least it has something. Resident Evil has nothing.

Agreed. If Monster Hunter were to had been in he/she would had been announced alongside Rathalos.

 

[Lamperouge]

Monster Hunter would likely be a great pick, however I think it's worth mentioning that it's already in the game, and therefore crossing over. There's more to gain, in my humble opinion, in adding an entirely new series than retreading one that has a boss fight and music.

I'm fairly certain the reason most people don't expect Monster Hunter is just because of the crossover aspect, and it already being in Smash. At least it has something. Resident Evil has nothing.

Let me dream, dammit.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Monster Hunter would likely be a great pick, however I think it's worth mentioning that it's already in the game, and therefore crossing over. There's more to gain, in my humble opinion, in adding an entirely new series than retreading one that has a boss fight and music.

I'm fairly certain the reason most people don't expect Monster Hunter is just because of the crossover aspect, and it already being in Smash. At least it has something. Resident Evil has nothing.

That is one advantage that Resident Evil has over Monster Hunter (at least in regards to who gets in first, since I think both are likely overall). The current Fighters Pass has characters from series with no prior involvement with Smash whatsoever, and if Fighter 5 is following that pattern, Resident Evil would be the one to go with.

It just feels strange that Monster Hunter has so little content in Smash right now. There's Rathalos serving the triple-role of boss fight, Assist Trophy, and spirit, and there's two music tracks... and that's it. No spirits of the other monsters, no music beyond those two tracks, not even the return of the Mii costumes from Smash 4... and this is for a series that ranks up there with Street Fighter and Resident Evil as one of Capcom's biggest franchises. It'd be like if Resident Evil had content in Smash, but it was literally just a boss battle against Nemesis, a spirit of Nemesis, and nothing else.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Funnily enough, my current profile avatar is of Phoenix Wright in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, which, as far as I know, is one of only two instances of Phoenix Wright appearing in a game on a non-Nintendo console, the other being the Ace Attorney Trilogy mobile phone ports.

It really bothers me that there isn't so much as even a Spirit or Mii Costume of Ace Attorney in Smash, there is literally nothing there for what is one of the biggest 3rd Party icons of the DS.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Realistically speaking, when was the last time this happened? Only cases I can really think of this is Marth and Roy during Melee, Ice Climbers, Ness, Lucas, ROB, Shulk and maybe Captain Falcon. From which Captain Falcon, Ness and Lucas were added when their series still had frequent releases or you know relevant, FE was a highly regarded series in Japan which exploded later during Awakening and Xenoblade was recent, was a sleeper hit and is ongoing. Only actual cases I can think were ROB which was a well known peripheral and the IC seem to have been added due to the moveset but still was a NES game that sold relatively decent.

These kind of additions have never been the norm and at this point we have more games with third parties than without, if you referr to adding obscure games or secondary and tertiary characters those have really never been the focus outside semiclones during brawl or echoes currently.

I wasn't refering to extremely obscure characters; even just some secondary characters such as Tingle in Zelda, or characters from franchises that aren't Zelda or Mario (like someone mentioned, Rhythm Heaven for example).

Captain Falcon was an obscure character back in N64 (even though F-Zero was popular enough, the character wasn't that famous), and Ness was obscure as well; Jigglypuff was not much important in the Pokèmon games, though it's in Smash 64 regardless; 3 out of 12 is a lot.

Melee added the Fire Emblem characters, Game & Watch, Sheik, Mewtwo (popular among fans but still a secondary character), Ice Climbers Pichu and Dr Mario (even if those last two were clones).

Brawl added all the main cast from Kirby (MK and Dedede), Wario, Lucas, Pit (retro character at the time), Wolf, Olimar, Diddy Kong, and Zero Suit Samus.

Smash 4 added some new franchises and unexpected characters, including Duck Hunt, and Wii Fit, that while it was very popular, nobody would have thought that the trainer of that game could have become a fighter; and the Koopalings, and Bowser Jr, and even Rosalina to an extent, who aside of party games, was pretty much just an NPC in one game. Add Shulk to the list if you want, depending on how you consider Xenoblade to Nintendo. Does Palutena count too? Am I forgetting someone? (dark pit is a low effort clone)

Now, most of those characters would have little to no chance if they were not introduced already, because the focus is on third parties.
Not only they didn't add Arms characters (their new franchise), they still didn't add any Rhythm Heaven character, they didn't add any character from the Zelda franchise despite being still full of very requested characters, they didn't add any Kirby characters, they didn't even add Dixie Kong, who's a pretty major character in her franchise. And more, those are just examples; Where is Krystal, where is a Wario Ware character? Where is Chibi Robo? etc.

They added K Rool only because the fans made a big noise, and Piranha plant, that's the only exception. Other than that, only very major characters or promotional/marketing stuff (aside of the echos who are Dark Pit level of low effort); side character/obscure or retro characters "slots" are now taken by third parties instead.

It's not super obscure characters that I'm talking about... it's side characters of popular franchises, or characters from minor franchises but still popular enough.

 

[P.Kat]

It really bothers me that there isn't so much as even a Spirit or Mii Costume of Ace Attorney in Smash, there is literally nothing there for what is one of the biggest 3rd Party icons of the DS.

I feel your pain. I at least want Smash Bros to acknowledge Okami's existence at this point, even if it's just some music.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

It really bothers me that there isn't so much as even a Spirit or Mii Costume of Ace Attorney in Smash, there is literally nothing there for what is one of the biggest 3rd Party icons of the DS.

2000's kids apparently aren't important enough for companies to play the nostalgia card yet.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Saw conversation about Verg’s credibility, and all I have to say is that people tearing him down are evidently desperate to do so for...whatever reason. Never understood the hostility.

There's no hostility. I just don't believe leakers. ANY leakers. No matter what.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

There's no hostility. I just don't believe leakers. ANY leakers. No matter what.

That's fair...I guess?

I see where you're coming from, I'll be completely honest and at least agree that 99% of Smash leakers are full of it, but I will say that Verge definitely has had solid contacts.

Sabi? Wouldn't put as much trust in. Verg though? Much safer bet.

 

[Deleted member]

There's no hostility. I just don't believe leakers. ANY leakers. No matter what.

Verge and friends are the only people I trust. Sabi? I'm perfectlt fine with having little trust. Verge? Say the word and wala na, finish na.

 

[N3ON]

Unilaterally rejecting every leak's potential validity is just the opposite extreme to buying into them without question.

The truth, as always, rests in the middle. Closer to the side of disbelief, since more leaks are fake than real, but in between the two nonetheless. Hate leaks and leakers as much as you want, but real leaks do happen, and rejecting that reality out of principle ultimately just hinders credibility.

 

[KillerCage]

Verge and friends are the only people I trust. Sabi? I'm perfectlt fine with having little trust. Verge? Say the word and wala na, finish na.

Besides Vergeben, PapaGenos is the only person I trust regarding "leaks."
He's less like a "leaker" (though he did leak Banjo before anyone else) and more like a "reporter" who actually filters through potential leaks.
I'm not the only one here who thinks this, right?

 

[Ura]

2000's kids apparently aren't important enough for companies to play the nostalgia card yet.

His time will come. Mark my words.

 

[Morning Raven]

None are quite to Geno's extent, but even going, like, "What's this Half-Life; where's Golden Sun, where's Shantae?!" would be sufficiently bubbly. xD

You say this like Shantae isn't relevant this decade and doesn't have it's 5th game in the franchise close to release.

My thoughts. Whoever the character is is likely not obvious nor is there any "mainstream" leaks that point to the character. If there were, I'd imagine the person who does know would feel safe in releasing that information, akin to the Hero or Incineroar rumors. It's partly why I doubt Lloyd/Heihachi. The other thing is that it's likely that the amount of people actually involved with the character is so incredibly small that it would be hella easy to pinpoint where the information came from. This is also why I think the company/team involved is either small or have always been rather tight lipped on things.

I agree with this thought process a lot. A smaller company would also more likely have less people to leak through.

Though honestly, I want someone to ask Sabi's in-the-know source what the shoe color of FP5 is. Because gender crosses out a lot. Hair anything makes it obvious. But something like shoe color? Most characters wear black, red, or white shoes. It would most likely be a super vague/common answer that would still be useless, but give us enough to work with to keep us entertained for another week or so.

Now can you confirm for me this miniscule connection is what made Nintendo and Sakurai approach ATLUS and say, "hey, we want Persona in Smash?" Because this reasoning doesn't seem particularly strong when it can be easily broken.

Hell, look at Microsoft. They literally had zero connection with Nintendo and vice versa for decades and they could still be approached by Nintendo for BK.

A rivalry also counts as a relationship. You know, like the beginning of Mario and Sonic's relationship? Even before the Dreamcast failing and Sonic moving to 3rd party multiplatform.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I've seen people claim that Gordon Freeman would get a mixed reaction and "literally who"s. For real? Freaking Half-Life? At this point Half-Life is one of the series that just permeates gaming as a whole, especially with the HL3 meme.

I know it's old, but give people some credit. I think they can still recognize a legend.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

I've mentioned it in the Sony discussions, but I started to like the idea more, so I made another thing...

Spoiler: La La La La

Admittedly, spirits are a bit lacking. I threw in PaRappa and Lammy even though they're not technically related since they are from Nana-On-Sha's other Sony offerings, but I didn't want to just poach their games for filler spirits. Might be able to get stuff from Major Minor's Majestic March as well, though that's probably more trouble than it's worth.
Would have thrown in a spirit for the Peta characters from Vib-Ripple, but getting decent images of them is non-trivial, so meh... >_>

As far as the stage goes, it looks rather simple (and in a way, it is,), but it's actually what really sold me on the idea of Vibri.
Essentially, it would be a stage that would allow you to play every song in the game on it, rather than just being limited to a selection. This ties back into the gimmick of Vib-Ribbon where you could load any CD and have the game spawn a stage to match the music.
And basically, that's exactly how this stage would function as well. Rather than a traditional auto-scroller, obstacles would spawn and scroll across the 'terrain'. The obstacles would be generated in real-time based on the song being played, as they were in Vib-Ribbon. Blocks that push you back, pits that cause tripping, loops that drag you inside of them, and waves that interrupt actions.

For Vibri herself... Most of the attacks would have to be made up...
But there are a couple of cool concepts that lend themselves to a neat implementation.
The first is that she's a living vector, so she can stretch and reshape her limbs as needed.
The second is that she has multiple forms. As she makes mistakes in the game, she devolves into a frog, and then further into a worm. If you do well however, you can reverse this and re-evolve up the ladder. Doing well in Vibri's standard (rabbit) form lets her evolve into Queen Vibri.

Queen Vibri could either be a standard gameplay mechanic or worked into her Final Smash. If it isn't used for her Final Smash, something like Vib-Ribbons's intro would work (where a sound test accompanies a series of vector-graphics patterns that appear across the screen).

Recovery-wise, they could play off the trampoline mechanics of Vib-Ripple as well.

And always remember, no matter how insane people may tell you your most desired characters are, people like me exist.

 

[Garteam]

Honestly, legit leakers are sort of a monkey's paw for me. It's cool to know who's in the game well in advanced and hypothesize about what they might be like when we finally see them in action, but a lot of the initial punch of a reveal trailer is kinda ruined when you know the surprise in advanced. It's a little depressing we'll never get a reveal like Robin's in Smash for: a character who's a complete left hand turn that no one saw coming. Seeing Ridley finally join the battle admittedly made me cry tears of joy, but I wonder what that moment would've been like in a world where he was never leaked to begin with.

At least I got Eight as a genuine surprise, he was my 3rd most wanted and someone I largely considered a lost cause, so seeing him join as a Hero alt made me freak the **** out.

 

[Jomosensual]

* Persons of Color? Hmmm...

Marcus from Detroit: Become Human

I've seen people claim that Gordon Freeman would get a mixed reaction and "literally who"s. For real? Freaking Half-Life? At this point Half-Life is one of the series that just permeates gaming as a whole, especially with the HL3 meme.

I know it's old, but give people some credit. I think they can still recognize a legend.

IDK if I'm in the minority on this but if you just told me the name I wouldn't know who you were talking about. If I saw Gordon or heard that the main character from Half Life made it in to Smash then I'd have no issues.

 

[N3ON]

You say this like Shantae isn't relevant this decade and doesn't have it's 5th game in the franchise close to release.

No, I say it like she's nowhere near the same level as Gordon Freeman in the grand scheme of gaming.

 

[Plank08]

Because casuals definitely know who Terry Bogard is
**** you could say the same thing about all 4 of the Fighter's Pass characters to some extent

There's a much larger overlap in PC gamers and Nintendo fans than you might think

Yeah my friend who’s only a casual gamer only recognized Joker from the dlc, so I guess that shows how iconic Persona 5 really is

 

[MainJPW]

You say this like Shantae isn't relevant this decade and doesn't have it's 5th game in the franchise close to release.

Are you suggesting that Shantae has anywhere near even half the notability that Half-Life does?

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Anybody know how reliable of a leaker the Gordon Freeman guy is? I don't have any issue with it but it seems so unlike the other DLC inclusions to me. Did Freeman have substantial support during the ballet days? Is he at all well known in Japan? Has Sakurai ever talked about Half Life?

 

[Deleted member]

Anybody know how reliable of a leaker the Gordon Freeman guy is? I don't have any issue with it but it seems so unlike the other DLC inclusions to me. Did Freeman have substantial support during the ballet days? Is he at all well known in Japan? Has Sakurai ever talked about Half Life?

He just predicted that a new Half-Life game was coming out, and he got it right. Now his Discord chat says that he is coming to Smash.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

He just predicted that a new Half-Life game was coming out, and he got it right. Now his Discord chat says that he is coming to Smash.

I'm going to maintain more skepticism than usual on this one, as it is such a out there choice for me. I can totally see somebody trolling with this.
That being said I would probably loose my mind were it true.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm going to maintain more skepticism than usual on this one, as it is such a out there choice for me. I can totally see somebody trolling with this.
That being said I would probably loose my mind were it true.

I would be disappointed, though shocked nonethless. You know why.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Anybody know how reliable of a leaker the Gordon Freeman guy is? I don't have any issue with it but it seems so unlike the other DLC inclusions to me. Did Freeman have substantial support during the ballet days? Is he at all well known in Japan? Has Sakurai ever talked about Half Life?

From what I heard, the new Half Life was already leaked days before this Monsun said anything. So It's likely him piggybacking. And even then you had that DMC5 leaker who said Dante was in Smash which was fake.

 

[Captain Fun]

Anybody know how reliable of a leaker the Gordon Freeman guy is? I don't have any issue with it but it seems so unlike the other DLC inclusions to me. Did Freeman have substantial support during the ballet days? Is he at all well known in Japan? Has Sakurai ever talked about Half Life?

The details about Half Life: Alyx that he supposedly got right have been out there for a while now.

I’d love to get any Valve content in Smash but there isn’t anything going for Gordon at the moment.

 

[Deleted member]

From what I heard, the new Half Life was already leaked days before this Monsun said anything. So It's likely him piggybacking. And even then you had that DMC5 leaker who said Dante was in Smash which was fake.

I mean, it's easy to fake anything on Discord these days.

 

[Garteam]

Yeah my friend who’s only a casual gamer only recognized Joker from the dlc, so I guess that shows how iconic Persona 5 really is

Funny enough, my causal gamer friends didn't actually know who any of the characters were. One of them thought Joker and Mementos were from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure which isn't that far off but I digress, while another one wanted to know why they would Banjo when he's "just a rip-off of Duck Hunt".

 

[Deleted member]

Funny enough, my causal gamer friends didn't actually know who any of the characters were. One of them thought Joker and Mementos were from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure which isn't that far off but I digress, while another one wanted to know why they would Banjo when he's "just a rip-off of Duck Hunt".

Unsurprising, I say.

 

[Captain Fun]

Funny enough, my causal gamer friends didn't actually know who any of the characters were. One of them thought Joker and Mementos were from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure which isn't that far off but I digress, while another one wanted to know why they would Banjo when he's "just a rip-off of Duck Hunt".

It's kind of weird to think that somebody beat Banjo to the whole furry mammal with bird partner duo character thing.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

I never thought I'd see the day where someone would take a ****post I made at face value, but I'm honored that I've hit it big enough for that to finally happen.

Also I had no idea the Resident Evil thing was being memed as much as it was until now. I probably contributed to a good chunk of that without knowing it, but that doesn't change the fact that I still think it's hella likely lol.

 

[Deleted member]

I never thought I'd see the day where someone would take a ****post I made at face value, but I'm honored that I've hit it big enough for that to finally happen.

Also I had no idea the Resident Evil thing was being memed as much as it was until now. I probably contributed to a good chunk of that without knowing it, but that doesn't change the fact that I still think it's hella likely lol.

Resident Evil is a series with so much legacy behind it. It's natural for it to be memed.

 

[cothero]

Let's ignore the leak for now. It really doesn't bring much credibility to the table, but still, i think it's possible. The DLC fighters so far caught everyone out of guard regarding unpredictability. Banjo was largely requested, but Joker, Hero and Terry were totally unexpected. Remember how SmashBoards reacted when Vergeben confirmed Terry's as fighter #4? It was a denial festival. comments like "booo, no one knows him, Verge must be wrong!", "that's just Ken with a hat, i hate it!" or "Nakoruru would be so much better" flooded this forum. Now, as you can see, people are enjoying playing with him. The difference, in this case, is that Freeman is a HUGE gaming icon, but i think the outcome would be the same: a lot of booing on his announcement and people actually enjoying him when the release date arrives. That pretty much sums up the whole smash community right now. For many here, there are only 4 or 5 predictable fighters possibilities like Crash, Geno, Bandana Dee or Waluigi. It's that boring. The gaming world is much bigger and interesting than those characters, Sakurai already proved that to us, you people just need to accept it.

 

[BernkastelWitch]

The #1 thing you should know about Smash is that the roster choices are always unpredictable. We even hit a point where we have serious discussions on characters like Gordon Freeman, Reimu, Kazuma Kiryu, and even Saber that pop up and people with legitimate support on them.

Because while everyone expects Doom guy or Resident Evil, knowing Sakurai he can throw us a big curve ball that we didn't expect and it'd somehow work for Smash. That's what I love here. Or he can give us an RE character alongside someone more niche to balance things out, too.