Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

[Gova]

@Gova, yes I do. I feel that I am more experienced than the majority of newbie players here, so I see a bit of responsibility to explain simple things, such as abbreviations or terms.

But it isn't your responsibility to explain those things if you aren't an IC/SE. Why explain these things when you know people have signed up to do exactly this already? It looks to me as if you are just trying to fake contribute through explainations of how mafia works and terms.

 

[Seikend]

@ICs and SEs

Looking for advice. In the same way we shouldn't judge alignment from your advice, I hope you don't attempt to judge mine from this question.

At the start of the games I always struggle to scumhunt, I find it hard to judge alignments based on early discussion.

Is it better to find anything, no matter how weak you might feel it is or to simply not post at all? And if the former, should you mention that you consider it weak, or ask other people how they see it?

 

[JTB]

Gova, as stated in the rules

# Remember, have fun and ask questions, this game is intended to help newer players learn, so I'll be happy to assist you if you have any questions.

There is nothing in the first page that says that helping newer players is limited only to IC/SEs. If you really want to, don't treat me as a newbie player then, but as an IC/SE player instead.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

JTB has Pichu listed as his main character, which means:

1. He really does play Pichu (least likely).
2. He's showing that he plays Melee and not Brawl.
3. He thinks Pichu is super cute.
4. He's just joking around.

I'm gonna guess that it's a combination of 2-4, and mayb a little of one. <3

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

psstt. Sword, i know what you are doing, continue.

 

[JTB]

lol, 2-4 is right, I don't play Pichu, I've been a Jiggs main for the past 5 years, never deviated.

But this isn't really contributing to the game, neither is Gova's debate about IC/SEs with me. We should be focusing on scumhunting, not sematics.

 

[Gova]

@JTB, that ruleset is in first person, meaning it was if the player had an questions for the mod. This is irrelevant though. When I was reading, the majority of your posts had something dealing with explainings/how mafia works. I also had already treating has an SE, considering I've seen you in Dissidia and have played with you on AIM.

@Swords, you don't seem very interested in this game based on that possible fluff.

@Soup, elaborate on what you think Swords is doing.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i almost don't want to, because then i will just be ruining it for Sword.

 

[Gova]

But this isn't really contributing to the game, neither is Gova's debate about IC/SEs with me. We should be focusing on scumhunting, not sematics.

With respect to the bolded, I disagree, fake contributing is a scum tell and it's very easy to do that in newbie games with the excuse of "teaching" newbies.

 

[Gova]

@Soup,

Ok then, assuming Swords is town, why should I trust his methods for finding scum when they aren't inherently clear? Or why should you trust anyone if you can't tell what they are doing to find scum?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You shouldn't, but it's not right to just go "HEY YOU STOP THAT PLAY LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS!"

who says i trust sword? i just know what he is up to, that's all.

also, i need to do some scumhunting too, kinda just been lurking the thread and getting reads.

 

[JTB]

Actually, I see your point Gova. I'll focus less on helping newbies out and more on providing content to the game.

I was just about to call out Soupamario for lack of scumhunting, but then his post appeared about needing to do scumhunting, so I'll let it pass for now. Null tell.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Gova, to be honest, i think you know what i'm thinking too.

i think.

 

[th3kuzinator]

JTB has Pichu listed as his main character, which means:

1. He really does play Pichu (least likely).
2. He's showing that he plays Melee and not Brawl.
3. He thinks Pichu is super cute.
4. He's just joking around.

I'm gonna guess that it's a combination of 2-4, and mayb a little of one. <3

But this isn't really contributing to the game, neither is Gova's debate about IC/SEs with me. We should be focusing on scumhunting, not sematics.

Funny you should say this, as the majority of your posts thus far have been commenting on inconsequential semantics with a side lack of scumhunting.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

@X1, Sword: Analysis of this post.



What line of reasoning are you using to vote TBS? You make a large WIFOM post in response to his WIFOM post about one of the ICs being scum. As an SE, you should know not to continue a WIFOM argument. Then you throw in that he has not voted Swords and proceed to vote him. Being afraid to place your vote as a newbie is not a scum tell and neither is self-preservation.

Vote: Ranmaru

I gave two examples in which IC's weren't completely town, or mafia. I said it was situational. I never said X1 was probably this, or probably that. I did say we'd have to be wary of IC's (And SE's) like every other player.

Yes but I put it there for pressure.

@ICs and SEs

Looking for advice. In the same way we shouldn't judge alignment from your advice, I hope you don't attempt to judge mine from this question.

At the start of the games I always struggle to scumhunt, I find it hard to judge alignments based on early discussion.

Is it better to find anything, no matter how weak you might feel it is or to simply not post at all? And if the former, should you mention that you consider it weak, or ask other people how they see it?

First thing you need to know, is that activity and discussion are very important to scumhunting. Get your scumpicks to talk. If you find something weak, post it, but use an FoS since it's weaker than a vote, but shows you are suspicious of them. Always speak your opinion, and look at people's posts, and look for intent. So far I already like your play because you do notice things that may not be right, and disagree. Spread out your accusations to 2-3 people, because this gives you more leads. Also pressure people you find haven't been pressured yet, because this way town can get info from everyone, and not just the popular choices. (Can't let scum breathe) If you really have to look hard for scummy intent, then there probably isn't any yet. Scum won't drop tells easily, you'll have to force them out as town. Again, get them to talk, and be wary of contradictions or intent from their reasoning. For example, do you feel JTB is genuinely posting thoughts about people? I feel as though he has parroted me a bit, for example, the thoughts on Soren coasting.

Do you feel I gave too much info in my #247, or do you feel it was padded out with quotes? I always like to give quotes because it's concrete evidence of what people said, and I may have the problem of fluff because I talk alot. I am sorry, and I will try to be as concise as possible.

 

[ranmaru]

I gave two examples in which IC's weren't completely town, or mafia. I said it was situational. I never said X1 was probably this, or probably that. I did say we'd have to be wary of IC's (And SE's) like every other player.

Yes but I put it there for pressure.



First thing you need to know, is that activity and discussion are very important to scumhunting. Get your scumpicks to talk. If you find something weak, post it, but use an FoS since it's weaker than a vote, but shows you are suspicious of them. Always speak your opinion, and look at people's posts, and look for intent. So far I already like your play because you do notice things that may not be right, and disagree. Spread out your accusations to 2-3 people, because this gives you more leads. Also pressure people you find haven't been pressured yet, because this way town can get info from everyone, and not just the popular choices. (Can't let scum breathe) If you really have to look hard for scummy intent, then there probably isn't any yet. Scum won't drop tells easily, you'll have to force them out as town. Again, get them to talk, and be wary of contradictions or intent from their reasoning. For example, do you feel JTB is genuinely posting thoughts about people? I feel as though he has parroted me a bit, for example, the thoughts on Soren coasting.

Do you feel I gave too much info in my #247, or do you feel it was padded out with quotes? I always like to give quotes because it's concrete evidence of what people said, and I may have the problem of fluff because I talk alot. I am sorry, and I will try to be as concise as possible.

This was me, sorry.

 

[Gova]

You shouldn't, but it's not right to just go "HEY YOU STOP THAT PLAY LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS!"

who says i trust sword? i just know what he is up to, that's all.

also, i need to do some scumhunting too, kinda just been lurking the thread and getting reads.

But, I'm not telling him to play like everyone else is. Also, if you think someone is town it's pretty safe to say you would put more trust in his actions than if you thought he was scum. So what's your read on Swords?

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Ran, thoughts on JTB?

 

[ranmaru]

Null. I do notice that he seems to parrot my reasons and maybe others. He was wrong on Soren being scummy. He even parrots your reasons for me, as well. I don't think he is fake contributing since he scumhunted a bit and is trying to contribute advice because that was his intention in the first place when signing up as an SE.

How do you feel about him, Kuz?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Big post deleted cause smash boards logged me out when I was making it.

 

[ranmaru]

Swords, I know how you feel. It makes me so mad I'd want to throw my laptop, but I don't want that happening. ;-; (It happened yesterday)

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Gova

Null.

 

[Gova]

@Soup

Why don't you want to explain your thoughts on what Swords is doing then?

 

[JTB]

@Ran, do you not believe that Soren coasting can be a scumtell?

 

[ranmaru]

I have explained that it was null. If he isn't helping, he should get replaced.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Gova, Because it would destroy the fabric of space-time or something.

@Ran, scum for all the reasons you stated. He scumhunted a bit. Reread the thread and look at all his posts. A clear majority pertain to the game rules while the other half are explaining terms for other players. I honeslty don't see how you can have a null on him after that analysis.

Unvote; Vote: JTB

Also calm down on that replacement junk. Game just started, give him some time.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Gova

because i feel that he is playing in a certain way to try and find noobscum, i don't really think Swords would intentionally just ask JTB about that pichu in his post, i feel he is using a scumhunting tool, trying to gain attention to possible noobscum, i have not seen anyone call him out yet, but i have seen two votes, one from gatlin, and the other from Seikend.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Kuz

Thoughts on gatlin/seikend?

 

[Gova]

In other words, you think Swords is playing scummy on purpose in order to see if noob scum jump on him?

Also @Ran, are you scum?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Gova

correctamundo.

 

[Seikend]

I agree that one of the IC's can hold the alignment as scum, as I have played a previous newbie, and we lost to an IC. In fact it was X1, but this does not mean it would be %100. So we do have to be wary of everyone. I do think it would be normal for some people to be paranoid about the IC's possibly being scum, but as scum people will try to use their powers against them. (In my newbie, I was scum and always tried to get people against the IC's for pressuring a newbie to the point of cracking, and in a second newb, the IC took control of the town as scum and dominated, so it is situational) I would assume that the Mod has randomly assigned roles, but I do not see it in the first post.

It was this section that was iffy for me. The information itself is fine, but it's the use of examples that bugged me. I don't feel like they added anything. The second one in particular, is essentially just a repeat of the previous sentence.

@Soup Do you feel that my above point is legitimate or just being overly picky?


In terms of JTB I'm not seeing the parroting. Maybe I'm just missing it.

I feel the Soren case he provided is really weak. It's too early to call anyone out on coasting, regardless of what they've posted. I'm unsure if it was a genuine attempt to scumhunt or not.

Null-scum for me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Roles are randomized, and it depends on how the IC plays.

you could call out Sword for the fluffing
could call out X1 for such the assertive and leading position

all IC's to me are null for now until further notice, i'm waiting for kuz to respond so i can get some reads.

and Personally, what ranmaru posted was really uneccesary, he almost wanted to bring that up so people wouldn't call him out on that if he were to do that, or to perhaps do the exact opposite so people won't think he is scum.

 

[Gova]

Also, Kuz, I agree with you. Soup is most likely town.

 

[JTB]

Stances

Soren - already gone over
X1 - Currently null, I have yet to see him flip in any other games so far, so I'm unable to tell if him leading town is a scum or town tell.
Gatlin - Town, he did answer X1's question to town as well as provide a decent case on Swords.
Asianaussie - Leaning scum. I believe his case on Gatlin is rather reaching. I don't see how Gatlin's clear and concise answer to X1 can be considered a scumtell, neither do I believe it was Gatlin's intent for it to be so short that it will be considered 'under the radar'.
Ran - already gone over him
Fynal - Town. He is demonstrating a clear intent to catch scum in his vote of TBS and FoS of Soren.
Kuz - Town, wastes no time jumping right into scumhunting.
Seikend - Town, he is also making an effort to contribute to town.
Gova - Town, based off our exchange.

I'll come back to Soupa/Swords laters.

 

[X1-12]

JTB explain how Gatlin's case on Swords is in any way 'decent'

will post properly tomorrow I guess

 

[th3kuzinator]

More JTB votes would be super cool.

 

[JTB]

quoted for others to see

@asianaussie: Valid point, that's true that I did not give any reasoning behind my voting. The reason I voted Sworddancer. is because I viewed him as trying to steer the attention in another direction. Obviously if he were scum, he wouldn't want people's attention to be on him. By pointing the finger at X1-12 and Kuz, it draws more attention towards them than himself. Plus, he made no attempt to try and persuade people that he is not scum. X1-12 and Kuz being DGame frequents, I get the feeling that they have a fairly large chance at being scum, so obviously it makes me agree with his accusation. Thinking further, that is probably what he wanted me to think, so gotta go with my gut and go against his accusation.

His reasoning for why Swords is possible scum is what I would expect from someone who is new to the game. Bolded statements are points that directly stand out to me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

More JTB votes would be super cool.

definitely. unvote vote JTB

 

[ranmaru]

In other words, you think Swords is playing scummy on purpose in order to see if noob scum jump on him?

Also @Ran, are you scum?

No. Have you asked anyone else this question? Do you feel you are getting good info from asking that?

These kinds of questions aren't good for scumhunting, since they ask for a yes or no answer. Scum would obviously say no, so it's a waste of time.

It was this section that was iffy for me. The information itself is fine, but it's the use of examples that bugged me. I don't feel like they added anything. The second one in particular, is essentially just a repeat of the previous sentence.

@Soup Do you feel that my above point is legitimate or just being overly picky?


In terms of JTB I'm not seeing the parroting. Maybe I'm just missing it.

I feel the Soren case he provided is really weak. It's too early to call anyone out on coasting, regardless of what they've posted. I'm unsure if it was a genuine attempt to scumhunt or not.

Null-scum for me.

Ah, I'm sorry for that. Yet you didn't notice that the first part of the second example, was not a repeat. I like using examples/details because they support your arguments. I like to find concrete evidence.

Roles are randomized, and it depends on how the IC plays.

you could call out Sword for the fluffing
could call out X1 for such the assertive and leading position

all IC's to me are null for now until further notice, i'm waiting for kuz to respond so i can get some reads.

and Personally, what ranmaru posted was really uneccesary, he almost wanted to bring that up so people wouldn't call him out on that if he were to do that, or to perhaps do the exact opposite so people won't think he is scum.

Soup, that is wifom. I stated the two examples so everyone could know that either side is possible, and not just one. Everyone is welcome to think which ever, I encourage them to.

 

[X1-12]

Unvote
Vote: JTB

how do you already know gatlins intent in his post?

Why does you read on me rely on other games?