Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

[Seikend]

X1 Town
AA Null-leaning Scum
UTD ???

 

[th3kuzinator]

Reasoning behind X1 and AA stances.

 

[Seikend]

Pretty sure I've explained the X1 read. Scumhunting, and pushing inactives to post toDay was good.

The AA read is based on the inconsistency X1 picked up on in D1 that I discussed with Gova.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Because pressuring inactives can't be done as scum. I had already posted in the beginning of the Day telling UTD and Soren that they needed to post content. Why he felt the need to tell them again is beyond me.

Do you have any other scum picks besides AAish and Ranmaru?

 

[Seikend]

Because pressuring inactives can't be done as scum. I had already posted in the beginning of the Day telling UTD and Soren that they needed to post content. Why he felt the need to tell them again is beyond me.

Okay, I understand. I still feel X1 is town but I need to think about that.

Do you have any other scum picks besides AAish and Ranmaru?[/QUOTE]

I don't.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And out of your two picks, who scummier?

 

[Seikend]

And out of your two picks, who scummier?

Ran.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Unvote; Vote: Seikend

Bonus points to the newbie who correctly analyzes 1034.

Lets go.

Soup, TBS, Ran and X1 don't answer this.

 

[Fynal]

:/. Wrote a post regarding Soren, saw it had already been addressed. Still want Ran lynched, but for now:

Vote: Soren

@Soren Give some scumpicks please. Don't be wishy-washy: just take some stances. Doesn't matter if you're wrong, as well as it's well reasoned.


Don't like how fast that Ran wagon went at all. If Ran flips town I'd look at people on the wagon.

contradiction much.
10contradiction much.

vote: Seikend

not sure where to start asking. Siek, comment(s) on your post?

 

[X1-12]

contradiction much.
10contradiction much.

vote: Seikend

not sure where to start asking. Siek, comment(s) on your post?

C-

Good Effort.

Anyone else?

 

[Fynal]

lol. figures.

was about to post a "not seeing it" post when that contradiction clicked, so i assumed i got it, lol. now im really interested in what thisll turn out as.

 

[Seikend]

contradiction much.
10contradiction much.

vote: Seikend

not sure where to start asking. Siek, comment(s) on your post?

If that's the super amazing scumtell I don't know what to say :/.


I still support a Ran lynch. But not right now. It's way too soon, and how fast that wagon went with minimal discussion is bad.

 

[asianaussie]

:/. Wrote a post regarding Soren, saw it had already been addressed. Still want Ran lynched, but for now:

Vote: Soren

@Soren Give some scumpicks please. Don't be wishy-washy: just take some stances. Doesn't matter if you're wrong, as well as it's well reasoned.

Don't like how fast that Ran wagon went at all. If Ran flips town I'd look at people on the wagon.

Withheld post against Soren, drawing spotlight off him. Contradiction noted by Fynal. He wants Ran (key scumpick) lynched but does not vote - I feel he says this almost arbitrarily, he does not address Ran directly afterwards. Gives Soren (who is possibly scum) a big chance to throw out stances, acting as discussant. If both Soren and Ran are scum, this is suspicious.

On the other hand, he didn't like the speed of the wagon, indicating he did not want the day to end so early before he got info on Soren at least. I'm with him on this point.

Seik, what do you think about X1? Same thing with AA and UTD.

Strong town lean. A lot of scumhunting, throws a lot of weight around in regard to it, leader-ish and helps get wagons started, definite intent to scumhunt. Simply does not seem like scum.

With IC status in mind, does this mean kuz is scum? Hmm. Probably not.

 

[Fynal]

so, aa, you think that by voting soren and re-iterating a question, siek is taking the spotlight off of soren? finding this hard to comprehend.

...now that i think about it, siek posted zero content concerning scumhunting soren. He re-iterated X1's question (which kuz asked even before X1) and said his other point was made, so he appears to be scumhunting. He also (according to 1044-1045) doesnt think soren is scum atm, despite voting for him.

very interested now in hearing the arcane genius scumread that kuz extracts from that post...

 

[ranmaru]

Ran, what would you say if I just had a COMPLETE change of heart?

Lol I'd say **** that change of heart. It's bull****. (I'd also consider the people changing their hearts along with you questionable too) Seems soooo like scapegoating.

You are only just saving me for later. You guys were so intent on lynching me d1, but you took Swords instead. Now D2 you act like I want to survive. Townies aren't about that, kuzi.

Also, I would really like to comment on Seik's post, but I'll wait until the newbies post first, then I'll give my thoughts on it.

 

[ranmaru]

Withheld post against Soren, drawing spotlight off him. Contradiction noted by Fynal. He wants Ran (key scumpick) lynched but does not vote - I feel he says this almost arbitrarily, he does not address Ran directly afterwards. Gives Soren (who is possibly scum) a big chance to throw out stances, acting as discussant. If both Soren and Ran are scum, this is suspicious.

On the other hand, he didn't like the speed of the wagon, indicating he did not want the day to end so early before he got info on Soren at least. I'm with him on this point.



Strong town lean. A lot of scumhunting, throws a lot of weight around in regard to it, leader-ish and helps get wagons started, definite intent to scumhunt. Simply does not seem like scum.

With IC status in mind, does this mean kuz is scum? Hmm. Probably not.

What does this mean? Can you clarify.

 

[asianaussie]

so, aa, you think that by voting soren and re-iterating a question, siek is taking the spotlight off of soren? finding this hard to comprehend.

If the thread progressed along with Seik's post, Soren would not be discussed quite as much, as he gets to post stuff about scumpicks (probably pointing at Ran (wagon) or X1 (dunno why) that might sidetrack the discussion on him. He'll be discussed regardless, this will just give Soren a chance to suggest other people to be discussed.

...now that i think about it, siek posted zero content concerning scumhunting soren. He re-iterated X1's question (which kuz asked even before X1) and said his other point was made, so he appears to be scumhunting. He also (according to 1044-1045) doesnt think soren is scum atm, despite voting for him.

hmm

I actually noticed this, surprised I didn't actually put it in my post

joint analysis complete

What does this mean? Can you clarify.

I think it's very possible (hell, almost likely) that one of the ICs will be scum, and now that Swords flipped town, I'm hedging on one of these two. This is completely baseless, hence why I added the , but I'm keeping it in mind.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Notes have been updated and some resources have been included.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Lol I'd say **** that change of heart. It's bull****. (I'd also consider the people changing their hearts along with you questionable too) Seems soooo like scapegoating.

You are only just saving me for later. You guys were so intent on lynching me d1, but you took Swords instead. Now D2 you act like I want to survive. Townies aren't about that, kuzi.

Also, I would really like to comment on Seik's post, but I'll wait until the newbies post first, then I'll give my thoughts on it.

So you're saying that me having a change of heart is bad and that it would be in the best interest of town to follow through with lynching you anyway.

Ran always pulling out the correct diagnosis.

 

[ranmaru]

I say that it's bad that you are asking me about a change of heart like I care about survival.

Ok, now that you have had your change of heart, why do you suspect Seikend over me now? Does this mean you'd rather lynch Seik, and lynch me the next DAY?

 

[th3kuzinator]

No, I think you're town now.

I WANT TO FOREVER TAKE YOU UNDER MY BOSOM.

Or something.

 

[ranmaru]

...

Unvote
Vote: Kuz

Ok. Why the sudden change on your read on me?

Trying to seduce me, eh?

 

[th3kuzinator]

My god I have town reads on the two most infuriating players in dGames.

To think this day would ever come.

 

[ranmaru]

Also answer that question, and your read on Seik now.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Good job scumKuz lets redirect attention away from Ran the easy target before he was about to get lynched and put it somewhere else. Taking the easy way out as always.

If my vote is on Seik what do you think my read of him is?

 

[ranmaru]

Your reasoning broski.

 

[th3kuzinator]

You're an idiot.

Love you though.

 

[ranmaru]

Love ya too man.

How about you put those reasons in laymen terms for this idiot here, because he just can't seem to get the gist. Lay it out for me?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Go on, you're the SE. Tell me why I think Seik is scum. You said you wanted to give your analysis on 1034 anyway.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And my change of heart came from my full re-read that I did this morning. I realized some things.

I am significantly limiting the pool down in my head, which satisfies me.

 

[ranmaru]

@ Ran-> So because Fyn is a strong new player you assume he is scum? Or you just feel/think it for no real hard evidence reason? And you assume me because I have been inactive for a single day, night ended monday and that was yesterday. We all know days of the week can confusing (I had to check my Rebecca Black note book just to be sure I was right).
You reads, even to my poor analyzing skills seem far to weak.

I would like TBS's thougths on Seik first, actually.

:/. Wrote a post regarding Soren, saw it had already been addressed. Still want Ran lynched, but for now:

Vote: Soren

@Soren Give some scumpicks please. Don't be wishy-washy: just take some stances. Doesn't matter if you're wrong, as well as it's well reasoned.


Don't like how fast that Ran wagon went at all. If Ran flips town I'd look at people on the wagon.

See the bold? This is what I think. I think you thought it was odd and malicious that Seik wanted me, your now town read, lynched. Then the second bolding, also caught your eye. Am I correct?

Also, what else have you realized from your re-read?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Nope. AA came closer to pinning what I was talking about, but its still not completely there.

I wonder if X1 sees it.

 

[ranmaru]

K. I do agree that it's weird Seik did that. Back when I voted Fynal, Seik hopped along with me. Did he say that Fynal was his scumpick there?

He doesn't actually give a reason to his vote. He just uses it to pressure Soren to contribute. He also denotes that he didn't like the wagon going so fast on me, so his vote could have been to prevent a quick lynch. Problem still is he doesn't seem to suspect Soren.

In fact:

@Seik: What IS your read on Soren? Give 2-3 points please.

 

[th3kuzinator]

No he didn't say Fyanl was a scumpick. His only scum picks are AA and yourself. Neither of which he is actually voting for.

 

[Seikend]

I don't have a read on Soren, that's why I want him to post some stances.

Both Kuz and X1 push for him to do something, and his #1011 is just contentless. I want to pressure him to actually get involved.


I haven't voted Ran because that would put him at L-1.

I haven't voted AA because I'm not very confident in my read. I received some flak in D1 for my reckless voting, so now I'm toning it down until I'm sure.

 

[JTB]

wtf kuz, how could you call Ran town after his play near the end of D1

explain your new town read please.

 

[JTB]

Seikend, he's at L-3 right now

 

[Seikend]

Oh, my bad.

Unvote
Vote: Ranmaru

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kuz you are killing me man you know I got dis **** but you want the newbies to figure it out.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I call it how I see it.

Ran isn't scum and I will not continue to push someone I don't find scum.

What do ya got, soup?