Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

[JTB]

Ran, my 794 please.

 

[ranmaru]

I missed that lol. I'll find it later.

@Gova: Yeah, I just noticed Kuz's post.

@TBS: Technically no. Sorry for being a bad example xD

 

[ranmaru]

@Gova, Because it would destroy the fabric of space-time or something.

@Ran, scum for all the reasons you stated. He scumhunted a bit. Reread the thread and look at all his posts. A clear majority pertain to the game rules while the other half are explaining terms for other players. I honeslty don't see how you can have a null on him after that analysis.

Unvote; Vote: JTB

Also calm down on that replacement junk. Game just started, give him some time.

Ah, here it is. This is why I was ok with you dead, JTB.

 

[Gova]

What? You said he was null for those reasons, not scum.

 

[ranmaru]

I never said he was scum. But I was ok with voting him. I just don't usually take parroting seriously, and I trusted Kuz with this one. (with the wagon)

 

[JTB]

whoa whoa WHOA

- You never said I was scum
- You were fine with lynching me at the time of my wagon

unvote
vote Ranmaru

 

[ranmaru]

I said you were null. (Could go either way) Was fine with your wagon though.

 

[JTB]

So Ran, you are saying that you were willing to lynch me like, a few days into D1?

@JTB: Yeah, I just got off to pressure Fynal.

I mean, really.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah, really. Got off from your wagon to pressure fynal for his mistake.

 

[ranmaru]

Hey Fynal and TBS. Thoughts on my actions plz.

@Jtb: How do you feel about the Sword's wagon taking place instead of yours? Do you think Swords has acted much more scummy then you? Did kuz forget about his read on you? (Since he was the one who lead the JTB wagon)

 

[Fynal]

I haven't seen any scumminess really. Only scumminess I saw:

Jtb and Fynal.

Swords was meh.

Everything else is nulls.

If I see scumminess, i'd lynch that over a null. We were actually in the process of lynching JTB, but then Fynal came along, and... things just stalled.

I said you were null. (Could go either way) Was fine with your wagon though.

please clarify: are you saying here that you saw scummyness on JTB but claimed he was null to you, and then still hopped his wagon? or was the first post i quoted referring to after deflation of JTB's wagon?

 

[JTB]

You just admitted that you were willing to lynch me, a null read, just a few days after the Day had started. Why, in any way, would a townie want to end the day before getting a legitimate scum read on someone?

 

[Fynal]

EBWOP pretty sure its the latter. srry, need to read more thoroughly. think ima wait till tomorrow to post more, for the sake of having time to read up first.

g'night yall

 

[ranmaru]

Yes, as you said Fynal.

@JTB: Can you explain the "why would a townie do this" thing a little further?

Null can go Scum or town either way. I'm not sure of any TOWNINESS coming from you. I did vote you, didn't I?

Now please answer my #810.

 

[JTB]

Hey Fynal and TBS. Thoughts on my actions plz.

@Jtb: How do you feel about the Sword's wagon taking place instead of yours? Do you think Swords has acted much more scummy then you? Did kuz forget about his read on you? (Since he was the one who lead the JTB wagon)

- A swords wagon brings town closer to their goal of lynching scum, so I feel glad?
- What the hell did you expect from this question? Of course Swords is acting more scummy than me.
- Why would I know what's going on in Kuz' head?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I never said he was scum. But I was ok with voting him. I just don't usually take parroting seriously, and I trusted Kuz with this one. (with the wagon)

I said you were null. (Could go either way) Was fine with your wagon though.

This + as fynal says, you did think that JTB was scum and therefore were fine with his lynch and now you are saying he was only null.

 

[JTB]

Yes, as you said Fynal.

@JTB: Can you explain the "why would a townie do this" thing a little further?

Null can go Scum or town either way. I'm not sure of any TOWNINESS coming from you. I did vote you, didn't I?

Now please answer my #810.

I don't see what more there is to explain, my question is fairly straightforward.

As for your second statement, you weren't sure of any towniness from me, but on the otherhand, you weren't sure of any scumminess from me as well.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Sword still at L-1, would be fine going with Ranmaru. We have time to switch.

Going to do a reread tomorrow night to figure out which one I want toDay. Anyone else is free to convince me otherwise.

I will also keep an eye out for AA's posts in my reread.

 

[JTB]

I put my vote on Ran kuz.

 

[th3kuzinator]

...I realize that?

 

[JTB]

>previously voting Swords

 

[JTB]

Oh, I'm dumb, I know what you mean.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@AA: Swordancer or Ranmaru toDay?

 

[asianaussie]

Based on scumminess, probably Ran due to the recent confusion, I inspected his old stances myself and I don't see any real excuse for forgetting it.

Adding to that, I don't feel Swords is quite as scummy as I once thought, seeing as being conservative and simply giving advice isn't really a huge scum tell (I'm rather guilty of the former myself). I think my previous pick of Swords was because somebody asked me who of JTB and Swords was more scummy, not much of a comparison there.

 

[ranmaru]

@Kuz: The quote with the bold was wrt to TBS wanting to keep possible scum picks even though they were dangerous. That has nothing to do with nulls.

No confusion. I never said JTB scum. Could go either way.

 

[JTB]

@mod, can you confirm there are no jesters in this game?

 

[UTDZac]

So I think I replaced into this game, buy I haven't received a Role PM yet. There are quite a few pages of content for Day 1

 

[th3kuzinator]

The Case on Sworddancer.

I made up my mind. I want Sworddancer gone more than Ranmaru. ISO on Sword following.

Hmmm Gova is playing advice dog Gova is obv. scum.

Just quoting this to point out how dancer comments that Gova has been advice dogging (jokingly, mind you). For one, D1 had not even started yet so this point is invalid. That's not what bother me, however. Its the fact that he calls someone else out for advice dogging yet proceeds to play this entire game doing just that.

Throughout this post, I will highlight all the fluff/noncontent/advice with the color yellow. I don't want to make this case any longer than necessary and will not bother explaining all the stuff I highlight in yellow. Just take it as as unnecessary fluff and noncontribution.

Advicing dogging is a legit tell, it's just horribly, horribly misused. I mean, you can't make one post referring to game mechanics/how someone should play without having someone scream out "ADVICE DOGGING!"

K so as IC I'll just let Gova do all the term definitions, basic rules, and what not. I'm too lazy to do that myself.

The first line is semi-validating his Gova "advice dogging" callout while the rest is just his personal annoyance wrt the subject.

Second is just blatant fluff (funny, because he says he will let Gova do the ICing but, as said earlier, advice will turn out to be his main avenue of contribution this game.

Wtf JTB you're taking Gova's our jobs!

Well whatever.

All you newbies need to know are two things:

1. I'm v/la until Monday.
2. There is a near 100% change that at least one of Kuz/X1 is scum, so . . .

vote: Kuz

He does correctly call out JTB here for a majority of non-content, but then proceeds to not follow up upon it. Possible scum distancing, something to keep in mind.

RVS, vote is RVS.

The thing I want to highlight about it, though, is its the only vote he places the entire game. Even after the mod clarifies that his vote does not count because he did not fully type out my name, he does not reapply it nor does he make any attempt to develop a scum read worth of it. As you will see throughout this this, he is very reluctant to post stances (this point directly contrasts his play in newbie 9 where we was a town IC. In newbie 9 he was not afraid to take stances nor was he afraid to pressure newbies who seemed suspicious).

Still v/la until Monday. Just have some time right now.

@X1: Eh, neither. I've been wrong about both of you too many times to be able to say that I can really "read" any of you two accurately.

@Bluespot: If I'm your number 1 pick, then why haven't you voted me?

I'll talk about the suspicion against me once Gova/Kuz does the analysis that X1 requested.

@Bolded: Makes a point to X1 that he can't read either of us well. Basically saving himself from any flack he would receive had he been wrong about either of our alignments.

Why should Sword be interested in why a Newbie is not voting for him? Not something an experienced player should be bothered about and, knowing TBS was new, he should have explain to him that one should not be afraid to place one's vote. Its clear TBS does not want to break any sort of unknown taboo and has hesitation to make a commitment.

JTB has Pichu listed as his main character, which means:

1. He really does play Pichu (least likely).
2. He's showing that he plays Melee and not Brawl.
3. He thinks Pichu is super cute.
4. He's just joking around.

I'm gonna guess that it's a combination of 2-4, and mayb a little of one. <3

Fluff.

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Doing the paragraphs in order

Advice

Advice

Advice

Fluff

Fluff

Again, Swords had not yet done analysis on anyone's alignment. He is simply explaining why what some players have done are wrong without commenting on what alignment he thinks that makes them. Its summirization w/o analysis and its usually a scum-tell.

What a quick bandwagon.

Fos: Fynal for putting JTB at L_1.

Why did you think that JTB's bandwagon needed more pressure?

Still does not place his vote. No analysis on what bothered him about the quick wagon, just nudges the player who put JTB at L-1.

Lol, they pretty much have to Fynal or else we're be no lynching. Once a player has reached majority in votes, they are lynched right then and there (or maybe after a short twiligt) and the Day ends.

NEVER put someone at L_1 so quickly. The only time someone should be put at L_1 is when people indeed for that person to be lynched.

Please answer Kuz's question.

The activity in this game is insane.

Advice. Fluff.

429 -

Main post which makes me feel weird about AA. I've already summed up what I found weird about this post and Fynal did one as well. He later states that he wanted this game to look attractive to newbies and thus did not pressure AA for this, but this goes directly against how he tried to earlier nudge TBS and Fynal and his play during newbie 9. Looks like a forced connection with AA.

lol, he's wrong but I like his thought process, that's what I'm complimenting.

Bolded really bothers me. Same thing as I said above about contradicting his earlier play but something about the way he phrased it sets off warning flags between AA-Sword connections.

463 -

@first: good post on ran. I agree that Ran's pressure looking very disingenuous.

@second: clear Seik despite knowing its WIFOM. I don't particularly agree with his clear but the exchange looks like a scummy clearing a townie to coax him into letting up his pressure. As strange it it may sound, I would feel better about Seik with a Sword scum flip.

I'm not v/la anymore.

X1, I'm pretty sure that you can't just point out one quote and say I'm posting no content.

Also pretty sure that I'm an IC, so it's my job to give advice to the newbies.

Honestly didn't see the part where TBS gave a reason for us not to vote.

@Seikend: I'll say it's slight newbie town tell, for pretty much the same reason Kuz said.

Also lol I'll respect your wishes. You're now null to me. Well, actually maybe slight town still, just for your honesty.

@first: No. Once I say that its a newbie town tell Sword follows along. However, Sword was the one to put a FoS on Fynal when the original incident took place meaning that he was suspicious of Fynal's actions. Now, apparently, he thinks its a newbie town tell.

@second: Goes out of his way again to make a null stance on someone. As shown in his giant post which will follow, almost all of his stances are null while he has not even begun to develop any large town or scum reads. This is analogous to what Ranmaru has been doing this game as well and I don't like either of them doing it.

554 -

Already explained why this is grody.

Explanation here.

Kuz u so impatient

I'll pick the first set because tbh I haven't really paid attention to JTB and think that this will be a good oppertunity to get a read on him.

So first, Ran is null to me, as already stated. His weak pressure, and possible connection to AA are the two scummiest things I have seen out of him. However, I do think that he is legit trying to scumhunt right now, and plus him "wanting to spread the pressure around" is in line with the philosophy he took earlier this game.

So I did a reread to get a read on JTB. Going to use the point system for convinance. Here's what I came up with:

JTB's useless list of stances (his 314) is just that; useless.
JTB's early play of "advice dogging," is just meh, because he dropped it early.
His supposed "parroting" I also feel is weakish.
JTB I feel jumped on Ran for weak reasoning in his 340. -1
Good call out though in his 394. Only giving him a half point for this one, since he was already gunning for Ran previously, so of course he would find something scummy of Ran. +0.5.
+1 for generally being invovled.

Overal: +0.5 nullish town

I think JTB has some weakish tells against him, but that's really it. TBH I really don't see the case on him and if someone wants him lynched then they are going to have to convince me otherwise.

@JTB: Please do as you said you would in your 435 ASAP. I think your anaylisis of that would be insightful.

So this post took awhile to make cause I was rereading the thread (for like 2 hours). I'll get to all of these accustions being made against me shortly.

Look at this, he finally does some analysis! And guess what he find: both are null. Again, Swords afraid to take hard stances.

oh and forgot

unvote

Not like he had even placed it this entire game, anyway.

Meh. I was trying to be nice with AA, and to all newbies and general. As an IC, I'm trying to make this game look attrective to newbies. That's all. I didn't say why he was wrong because I didn't think to.

He didn't seem to have a problem remembering to correct others when they slipped up. Why did Swords solely forget to follow up on correcting AA?

Okay, I actually really don't have time for this right now.

@MOD: Request Replacement

Sorry guys, but I'm simply way too swamped to be focusing on two newbie games at the same time. I have two research papers due soon which I hardly have even started on, and I'm behind on my homework. Last Night, I spent hours on this game simply rereading to come up with my read on JTB, and making those two big posts. That is time that I could of and should of been spent studying. So yeah, IRL stuff > mafia.

Anyways though, before I leave, I'll go on and give my stances on everyone this game up until this point as I said I would.

X1 is looking town . . . ish. His posts are nice but he seems a bit removed from the conversation. Still probably town but keep your eye out on him, because a scum X1 is a dangerous thing.

Ran is null-town (yes, I'm changing it). I agree that the namedrop was rather suspicious. A couple of useless posts but tbh I kinda get the feeling that that's just Ran. I do think he's legit trying, just going about it in all the wrong ways.

I'm suspicious of Gova. Upon further inspection, I find that a lot of his posts are empty. Plus, I think he's taking a fairly easy position with pressure on JTB. I'm mean yes I agree that JTB's "advice dogging" is suspicious, but Gova has not called anyone out on anything else, besides maybe Ran who he thought to be have a connection with JTb. Also, calling someone out on advice dogging is a fairly easy thing to do. Not total scum, but should be looked into.

Out of all of the inactives, I get the feeling that TBS is the most likely to actually be coasting, since he is posting but rather infrequently. Overal, he hasn't provided much. Would be okay with seeing him going toDay, if not to just get rid of an inactive.

JTB is looking townish to me. I think AA layed out the best case as to why. With the exception of his earlier advice dogging, I think most of the cases agaisnt him are weakish.

Fynal could def be scum. I like his early play, and I think his case on me is legit, but there are some other things about him that I don't like. I don't like how he put JTB at L_1 while realizing the implications that might come from it. I also don't like how he played the noob card a lot after he was called out on this. Would also be okay with him going toDay.

Seik I'm going null-town on as of now. He has been wagon hopping A LOT, for weak reasoning. I aprreciate his brutal honesty, and as much as I know he's going to hate me judging his play off of this, I really do believe that him not knowing what to do is a noobie town tell.

Gatlin/Soren are simlply inactive and cannot be judged at this point.

Soupa is looking town.

AA I'm null on. Earlier X1 said that he thought AA was being too agreeable. I haven't looked into this myself but I def endorse others looking into this, because I feel that it's a pretty legit noobie scum tell.

So yeah, that's it. Sorry if I offened anyone by delibertly down playing for the newbies. But yeah, can't fix that now I guess.

Anyways, peace, I'm out.

Can sworddancer be any more null at this point? Probably not. Weird he left out my name specifically. Weirder still that AA is the only person he has a dead null on. Everyone else was either null leaning town or null scum but he singles AA out as someone who is just plain null.

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So yeah, I want Swords dead. I want Ranmaru and AA looked into tomorrow regardless of flip. Them + any of Gatlin/Soren replacements once they replace in and give more content.

Town: Soup, Gova, TBS, Kuz, Fynal

Null: Gatlin, Soren, Seikend, JTB, X1

Scummish: AA

Scummy: Sword, Ranmaru



@ANYONE WHO JOINS THE SWORD WAGON AFTER THIS POST: Explain your reasoning for now joining the wagon despite not boarding earlier. If it is related to my case, tell/quote me which parts you agree on.

^ Make sure this happens. When it does, I am okay with the Day ending.

 

[Seikend]

Hey guys, I'm back from my V/LA early: Family car broke down and so I won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

I'll start catching up soon and I'll hopefully be up to date with the thread in a couple of days.

 

[Fynal]

V/LA today and tomorrow, totally swamped in homework... should have been working yesterday instead of posting -.-

will post when i can.

 

[JTB]

Zac, have you received your PM yet? And who are you replacing in for?

Super inactivity in this game by both players and mods

 

[th3kuzinator]

>people pester me for swords case
>spend 2 hours this morning making it

>dead silence

 

[asianaussie]

I don't think Sword is really that scummish, he's just taking a lot of V/LA time and posted really, really conservatively - rather than picking up on the words null in his last post, look at everything else he posted. He has pointed out a lot of things that should be followed up on, which strikes me as setting up scumhunting, as he wouldn't have the time to be doing it himself.

I won't be jumping on the Swords wagon.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Fair enough, then who do you feel is scum and want lynched?

 

[asianaussie]

For scumminess...if anyone, Ran or maybe, maybe Gova.

I want Ran or Soren lynched, the former for pseudo-scumminess and the latter for inactivity and me having a gut suspicion...Seik is also a bit suspicious, but I can't pin down why...Gova, maybe, but I don't have any case aside from him continuing to press me even after he apparently understood my clarification of the misunderstanding...

 

[th3kuzinator]

What about Gatlin. Same type of inactivity, no?

 

[asianaussie]

Gatlin has long since requested an out and defended his inactivity when I voted him early on, I haven't seen any reason to bring him back up.

 

[Gova]

I He has pointed out a lot of things that should be followed up on, which strikes me as setting up scumhunting, as he wouldn't have the time to be doing it himself.
I won't be jumping on the Swords wagon.

Like what for example?

 

[Gova]

Oh right, Kuz, can you explain your read on TBS for me?

 

[asianaussie]

Just read his last post.

You continually using advice-dogging to pressure JTB rather than anything more direct
Fynal playing the noob card
My agreeability

This is from 30 seconds of scanning.