So we have a cop claim vs. a neighbors claim eh? Considering pwn already put his vote out, that means its gotta be either Rake/Raz scum or Wulf/Pwn scum.
Let's break this down.
We've got a setup consisting of Town Cop & Voyeur vs. whatever scum PR's are out there or Town Neighbors & Voyeur vs possible scum PRs.
No one has claimed getting RB'd or messed with by a scum pr in any way this game thus far, so it seems to me like we're either dealing with a passive role like godfather or a roleblocker with some bad luck.
Just based on the strength of the claims alone, I'm really leaning toward pwn being legit here. Here's why.
His investigations make sense to me. Investigating a late replacement on D1 is a pretty smart play, regardless of who the slot was being played by and being taken up by. Xiroey from what I recall was pretty quiet D1 anyway, so that's a question mark that needed clearing up.
Investigating one of the claimed "neighbors" also makes completely perfect sense. If you confirm the claimer as town, you effectively get two clears. If you catch them lying, you get two scummies outted. No question about that decision.
Beyond the decisions, we can look at the game setup as a whole. We're in a newbie game firstly. Just on that alone, cop seems like the more reasonable claim. Also, considering what else we know is in the setup (Voyeur), it makes WAY more sense than neighbors, who don't have any targetting abilities at all. If neighbors were the only other town PR in the game (which Rake and Raz contend), then the voyeur power is a red herring, which would be ******** in a newbie game. The game needs to have some kind of targetting role other than the voyeur for the setup to make sense, so a town cop fits in quite nicely. This could be coupled very well with a mafia godfather, RBer. and/or framer/lawyer/tailor. Just in terms of game balance and what a good noobie game should look like, Cop/Voyeur/one of the above listed scum PRs as the setup just makes wayyyyyyyyyy more sense. I mean think about it. What kind of PR can the scum have that works against neighbors? ****ing nothing. A setup of Voyeur and Neighbors would be ********. Voyeur literally cant gather ANY USEFUL INFO AT ALL. Zero. There wouldn't be a single targetting role in the game that would yield useful info (they could see the person who's about to die get targetted by the kill, but that's useless).
Then we can look at the claim coming out of Rake/Raz. We have a rush claimed coming out in twilight, with no real time for explanation. On top of that, I personally just have a really hard time seeing them as legit neighbors. Just from my reading of this game, I never would have guessed those two to be confirmed to each other as town. They just didn't carry themselves in that manner. Not that they said they were crumbing it, but even so, I don't see their interactions as indicative of being confirmed town to one another.
There are also a couple other interesting tidbits we can look at:
Feel like a cop / tracker should out their results tomorrow regardless of flip.
Agree / Disagree ?
Expecting a cop claim and now you're freaking out about it because you got copped and outted? Classy as **** scum move bro
I'm going to say this now, in the event that we're wrong. The benefits outweigh the cons.
Rake and I are confirmed Town to each other as Town Neighbors. This is the main reason I came in defending him.
I am saying this now so it isn't misconstrued as a gambit tomorrow.
lol dat WIFOM
"Hey guys I'm making a claim that is unconfirmable and would be a perfect claim for a scum team trying to win on the next day as a gambit. BUT DON'T WORRY IM TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW ITS NOT A GAMBIT SO ITS TOTALLY NOT A GAMBIT CUZ I SAID SO!"
Did you actually think that that was a seriously good argument? Like actually?
But yeah, I don't think there's too much else to say. Other than that fact that just at face value, it seems WAYYYYYYYY more likely to me that Raz/Rake would have the confidence as scum to pull a fake claim gambit compared to pwn, who's been giving me classic noobtown tells all game. Are you guys seriously contending that pwn just made up a fake cop claim on the spot in a ****ing newbie game? I really don't see how anyone can look at this claim off and legitimately think that your neighbors claim looks legit at all.
Need to wait for badwolf though on this and hear what he has to say. Gotta make sure we've got all our info on the table here.
