Newbie 17 - Breaking Bad Mafia! Game over! Who won?

[giraffelasergun]

@GLG: I was going to ask you a question earlier, but I couldn't find anything in your recent post to comment on, so I left it.

Now when I think about it, that's pretty weird. Of the three quotes you made, one was answering my question without giving a lot of insight, one was calling me on a joke, one was asking Aleate about something he said that seemed to me very flippant, not serious.
And of your messages to people, only one of them is really a question- to Ran, who's said he's not going to be around.

You made quite a reasonably-sized post, but i'm not sure that you've shown any opinions, other than (presumably) you feel VitaminC is playing town. Care to ask some more weighty questions, get a little bit more involved?

@JDietz, Zen: does the above sound fair to you?

With the Aleate post, I find it rather scummy that he made a post calling someone town on meta so early in the game. Yes, Aleate might think that He is town and that we shouldn't lynch him, but that's not the tone I got from it. I feel like he's using that to buddy someone without any reason that way someone other than Aleate would be willing to defend Aleate in the event that Aleate came into the top lynch spot. I don't like that post and It's putting Aleate on my Radar right behind Ranmaru.

You on the other hand. There's you. Oh there's you. I'm onto you lemon, I'm onto you. Watch out.

@Vitamin, Ranmaru is the scummiest so far this game, followed by Aleate. Ranmaru's questions don't seem to be helpful to me and seem to be there just so that he seems active and that he seems to be helping town when in reality the majority of his questions are yes or no questions that could be answered if he actually read the post he was addressing instead of just replying with the first thought that he has. Also, his post that put various people in different lynch pools was fishy. I think it's ridiculous to think that someone has actual reads on every player in a game so early on. Also, he has Ori and Zen as "null-scum", and yet their in different lynch groups. Kuz and I are both Null for not posting when he made that post, yet we're also in different lynch groups. Actually backtracking a little bit he said he had no intention of lynching Zen even though Zen was a null scum read. I don't know about all y'all, but if I thinkt aht someone is at least a little bit scum I'd be wanting to lynch them partially during a day, and not write them off as to be not lynched today.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

You on the other hand. There's you. Oh there's you. I'm onto you lemon, I'm onto you. Watch out.

You tell me to watch out, but you don't list me as one of the scummiest? Were you just going to have me night killed then?

 

[giraffelasergun]

You tell me to watch out, but you don't list me as one of the scummiest? Were you just going to have me night killed then?

There's a difference in between "top lynch candidate" and being watched.

Am I onto you? Yes. Do I want to lynch you today? Not my top choice. I'd much rather see Ran and Aleate go before you.

 

[Ori_bro]

Yes you are leaning town but I can still have my suspicions thats part of Mafia. I never said either of you should be lynched. I don't toss that stuff around like rice at a wedding. I said you 2 should be the first questioned.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I think you avoided my question-were you just going to have me night killed then?

Could you explain how exactly you're onto me? I don't really get it. Surely we have to be suspicious of all the other players... you sound like you've somehow got me figured out?

 

[Ori_bro]

Kary quote him next time. I thought that post was directed at me and I got scared lol.

GLG what did you see in the past pages that made you come to this conclusion?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

* previous post was @GLG, should be obvious.

@Ori_bro:

1. If Ran is the first lynch I would say Kary or Vinyl. But that would be based solely on who was killed during the night phase.

Sorry, I must have read this as you suggesting me as a lynch candidate. Maybe I should have read it as some sort of veiled threat?

1. If Ran is the first lynch I would say Kary or Vinyl. But that would be based solely on who was killed during the night phase.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

EBWOP: second quote reads with emphasis on 2nd half:

1. If Ran is the first lynch I would say Kary or Vinyl. But that would be based solely on who was killed during the night phase.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

It seems a shame to post this in the middle of making wild accusations, but what the hell:

1. Picks for lynches, after Ran: Vinyl, then GLG. I'm not convinced by either of their recent posts. I don't really think anyone's worthy of a lynch yet (would settle for Ran), but then there are some questions that need to be answered.

2. Bottom line, we need anyone who's posted less than JTB to have posted more than JTB has. I think we do this by asking them relatively closed questions (yes/no) which also allow for them to give reasons, like 'do you think when X did Y it was scummy?' Then we look at how their answers stack up.

2b. I think there is some need to talk about the setup, i.e. what happens if X and Y are night killed, or who do you think is in a scumteam with X? This probably should wait until we've seen more activity,

3. Inactives are null. You can lynch them, but I don't think it's worth doing so Day 1 unless you really have no better options. Sometimes you can get a good read of infrequent posters, but unless other people felt the same way I don't think it's worth pursuing.

^ In reply to VitaminC, but for everyone.

@VitaminC: You think it's unfair to lynch Ran because he's not here? I'm not sure that I get where you're coming from. It doesn't sound like you're coming out in support of Ran, but then I didn't think he was in that much trouble just yet. Also, I'm hoping that you just messed up with your double negatives:

Not saying I'm not against his lynch, nor that I don't think he's scummy,

 

[Ori_bro]

* previous post was @GLG, should be obvious.

@Ori_bro:

Sorry, I must have read this as you suggesting me as a lynch candidate. Maybe I should have read it as some sort of veiled threat?

EBWOP: second quote reads with emphasis on 2nd half:

I see what you mean. I definitely could have reworded that better. I, by no means, meant anything secretive xD.

 

[VitaminC]

Whoops. That should read "Not saying I'm against his lynch." Damn English.

Also, my point is that, if he really is going to be gone all that time, he can't react to our many posts and arguments aimed at him. We can't make any further attempts to place him as scum or town, and since we're not entirely and utterly in agreement on him being scum, it seems like a bad idea to lynch him. My reasoning is slightly in fairness to him, but moreso based on my feeling that we could get a better lynch for D1 in the next six (real) days.

 

[VitaminC]

I think people are reading question one wrong. I'm asking who would be your main lynch target for D1 assuming we don't lynch Ran. It shouldn't change anyone's question very much, but it does make the need for answers a bit more immediate, as I'm basically asking who everyone thinks our lynch should be today.

 

[VitaminC]

God dammit EBWOP: shouldn't change anyone's answer*.

 

[Ori_bro]

LOL i totally didn't read the "not"

I would say Vinyl

 

[Alacion]

Sorry if my lack of activity makes you antsy. Try taking 8 accounting courses and working to pay tuition

I don't think I can say with certainty who is guaranteed town. Ori seems town to me. He's jumping in and contributing quite a bit. He also seems to be playing cautiously by holding back his vote until things become a bit less murky.

I'd probably choose Vinyl. after Ran. Like people are saying, he is distancing himself from Ran and hasn't really posted in his style earlier in the game. Makes me think that he feels backed into a corner and thinking/waiting for a way to get back in the game.

I wouldn't be against lynching Ran since he's been very active and people are arguing and accusing him. If he does end up to be town, perhaps his posts and the other players' posts can be evaluated after his flip?

Inactivity shouldn't be a huge deal. I really just come to SWF to post a little in my region's social thread, other than that I'm busy balancing a LOT of irl stuff

 

[Ori_bro]

Aleate just make a bit of tie to make check in posts, to express your thoughts on whats at hand. Thats what I'll be doing this week and next week since I have Finals starting this Thursday

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Ori_bro: Alright, we're cool. Just make sure you let me know if you're going to night kill me, yeah? Haha.

^ I was basically sold on you being town when I saw this.

@VitaminC: I'm hoping I made myself clear re: Q1?
Just going to have to wait until Vinyl posts again, I think. I'd say it's a little early to be waggoning him.

P.S. I kind of agree with what you're saying about Ran- I think we may be able to find a better lynch, and I've been of that opinion all along. But it does sound a bit like you're defending him... I don't know. I think what we need to do is keep the scum of the easy Ran waggon, and make them play the game.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Kary, why are you so hesitant to make a lynch?

 

[Ori_bro]

is the best emote on this site, thats why I use it. But lets not get derailed.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@GLG:

Secondly, are we all agreed that it is too early in the day to lynch someone, and that we need to spend more time getting reads/input from people before we end the first day?
I'm more than happy to agree a lynch on someone, but we need to more than just find one obvious scum.

Are you still avoiding my question?
Were you just going to have me night killed then?

 

[giraffelasergun]

@GLG:

Are you still avoiding my question?
Were you just going to have me night killed then?

No. To be honest I thought it was rhetorical.

Are you going to have me night killed?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@GLG: I don't know, let me just ask.... oh wait i'm messing with you.
I don't think I would, you're a bit too suspicious.

ALSO:

Could you explain how exactly you're onto me? I don't really get it. Surely we have to be suspicious of all the other players... you sound like you've somehow got me figured out?

 

[giraffelasergun]

@GLG: I don't know, let me just ask.... oh wait i'm messing with you.
I don't think I would, you're a bit too suspicious.

ALSO:

If you don't mind, I was about to hop off to bed. I'll provide my reasoning tomorrow.

Also, why are you avoiding my question?

 

[Vinylic.]

I do agree that ran should not be lynched toDay, but I'm still unsure about this.
I'll read ran's and determine it. And I'm putting my eyes on Kary too.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@GLG: Uhhh... I'm not?
Do you want me to tell you why it's a really bad idea to lynch someone early Day 1 without getting any reads from low activity players and going into Day 2 with three dead bodies and still no idea what's going on or who you can trust? And why this might result in 'hesitation'?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I do agree that ran should not be lynched toDay, but I'm still unsure about this.
I'll read ran's and determine it. And I'm putting my eyes on Kary too.

Thank heavens I'm here for you to seem suspicious of.

You still haven't answered why you were, or seemed to be, so certain Ran was town.

 

[Shottymaster]

Also, let's make some activity.
@GLG, Ori_bro, Shottymaster: Who do you think has played the scummiest in this game so far? Provide reasoning please, not just a one-liner.

@Anyone and everyone:
1. Assuming we decide not to lynch Ran right now, who would be your second pick? Why do you feel they're worthy of a lynch?
2. Also assuming we decide not to lynch Ran right now, how do you think we should proceed with the Day? Who should be questioned? Who is suspicious?
3. What do you think of the inactives and the infrequent posters at this point? What is your policy on lynching or not lynching them? Do you find them to be scummy for doing so, or merely null?

The person I'm most suspicious of is Ran (of course). Ran says it's just his play style, asking tons of questions and jumping around but his opinions seem too solidly formulated based on such limited information. For example, his list of reads on everyone seemed too certain for the time frame in which he had to formulate opinions. Additionally, (this is just gut instinct, no real evidence here), I just get the feeling that he just shouldn't be trusted. He feels like he just has too much to hide.

@@Everyone:
1. Like the others have already said, Vinyl seems too close to Ran so he'd be my second choice. Given the fact that nobody has been killed yet, I think it's just too early to be forming actual trust.

2, 3. We should really try to drum up some activity from the inactives. If they're not responding to anything then we'd never know if they're mafia or not until we lynch them, and there's a pretty good chance that they aren't mafia based on the numbers alone. 66% chance to kill a townie with literally zero evidence indicating their alignment? No lynch yet. We have several more days until the end of D1, we shouldn't make a lynch decision yet. I have no reason to believe these people are scum at this point, so I'm just going to have to say null.

 

[Jdietz43]

Alright people: I want to make this perfectly clear:

We will be lynching Ran. Not now, but when we're satisfied that D1 has ended. Suddenly going on V/LA for the entire rest of the day phase while not answering any of the immediate questions as to his actions when he does is not an excuse to leave him alive, or even something we should consider as a valid response. It only leaves us with questions and frustration D2. We won't have learned as much from anyone else's lynch, period. We'd just have to play the "Ran for today maybe?" game all over again Day 2. Literally no one but Vinyl is against a Ran lynch based on his play alone rather than V/LA johns. I'll be straight with all of you: Keeping Ran alive would be what scum would most want right now to leave town debating his issue for another day rather than finding the rest of scum.



@Anyone and everyone:
1. Assuming we decide not to lynch Ran right now, who would be your second pick? Why do you feel they're worthy of a lynch?
2. Also assuming we decide not to lynch Ran right now, how do you think we should proceed with the Day? Who should be questioned? Who is suspicious?
3. What do you think of the inactives and the infrequent posters at this point? What is your policy on lynching or not lynching them? Do you find them to be scummy for doing so, or merely null?

Note: I'm just trying to get something going, as we seem to have slowed down a lot. Feel free to ask me questions in return. As long as you answer a few of mine, anyways. Also, I asked only a few people specific questions because I feel I don't know enough about them yet. Don't feel singled out, it's just an attempt to understand your ideas.[/QUOTE]

1. Vinyl. He's mostly scum on his connection to Ran, however even if he isn't scum his lack of willingness to answer direct simple questions, and inability to word his own responses means he's a fine candidate to be rid of as simply useless town. I would be very confident in his scum flip however.

We will lynch Ran first. This is a fun rhetorical question, but Vinyl is not our actual top scum threat.

2. Just as we are now. Vinyl, Ori, and Aleate are fine places to be asking as of now. (And you for thinking that Ran being gone for two weeks is a great reason to leave the scumbag alive, I'm so dissapoint in that reasoning)

3. They need to get on board and up to speed or get left behind. I will always be for lynching those I find scummiest first, but if an inactive dies I won't shed any tears. Kuz needs to get here and lay down some truth about the Ran situation for those of you who haven't played with him before.

P.S. I kind of agree with what you're saying about Ran- I think we may be able to find a better lynch, and I've been of that opinion all along. But it does sound a bit like you're defending him... I don't know. I think what we need to do is keep the scum of the easy Ran waggon, and make them play the game.

Ok: Who's the obvious better lynch candidate.

 

[Jdietz43]

EBWOP: Quote fail. The questions are from Vitamin. At least you can tell where I start talking since it says "[/QUOTE]"

 

[JTB]

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline 4/22, 11:59 PM EST

Vinyl. [1] Zen
Aleate [0]
Ori_bro [0]
o-Serin-o [0]
GLG [0]
VitaminC [0]
Shottymaster [0]
Jdietz [0]
Kary [1] Ranmaru
Zen [0]
th3kuzinator [0]
Ranmaru [2] VitaminC, Jdietz

Not voting: Aleate, o-Serin-o, GLG, th3kuzinator, Kary, Shottymaster, Vinyl., Ori_bro

If kuz does not post by this wednesday, he will be replaced.

 

[Axel]

Never.

Taking the time to multiquote gives scum time to question why I've been in thread so long without speaking, as you've already attempted to do.

Not sure why you're concerned with this. Your image that is.

This has been the biggest boom of D1 that I've ever played. *sigh*

I'll quote and respond to things when I'm finished.

This is nothing

Also if you missed it he called omgus on me, so I win, right?

Sometimes it's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or asking a legitimate question. Which is it here?

@Axel

This is the second game I've played here. First game was the previous Newbie game and I was aligned with the town.

I didn't think the game would be so fast... kinda struggling to keep up

Was Serin in that game? I'm still a bit confused on what you meant by the "rush" thing. Was he scum in a previous game and was playing more actively???

@Zen:
My read of you is mostly based on your making a case against Ranmaru, apparently through some moment of insight (voting first then posting reasons), but then not following it up very much.
I guess if you were satisfied with his answer then that's understandable. I wasn't really happy with Ran's response to you, I thought he didn't really try hard enough, but I guess maybe you've got what you wanted from that interaction already.
I guess the other leaning scum I guess is your quite general question ('have you played mafia before etc.')., especially when you repeated it to Aleate- I'm not sure where you're going with it, or to what extent it helps you get reads.
Anyway, to me you don't really read one way or the other yet. But if I had to pick a second scum today it'd be you over a lurker.

Why would you lynch someone you have a null read on (in which you originally had a town read on. I don't get why it changed all the sudden) over an inactive lurker? That's just plain inefficient.

As for my question, it's odd that you're claiming to not see where I could be going with them, yet you felt the need to reiterate them earlier. If you felt there was no reason behind them, then why did you reask them? As for my reason for the experience question, it helps me to read into people intentions. For example who would you be able to better read, your best friend, or some random stranger? Your best friend of course because you know more about them, their drives, tells, and motivations. The more you know about a player, the better you can read into their intentions.

One think I've noticed is that both you and Vitamin seem be playing like you have played before. You, Lemi, know all these terms and concepts that a noob wouldn't ordinarily have so I'm quite curious as to where you've gotten the information that you've been using (such as lynching inactives, quick lynching, pressuring, RVS, wagons, etc). I doubt X1 has trained you in all of this.

Vitamin I ask the same of you.

Alright guys. I have finals this week and next week, so I'm going to wrap up with some reads and cases. Yummy. Big cases will have to be handled later. Sorry it is a bit long but I am sure it will give you enough content for the time I might be away. I will have two long posts: One of quotes and responses. Another of a full read list, and my pool of lynches.

This is not something normal for me to do, I am doing this so that everyone can understand my thought process. I play forcefully, and I push hard on those I feel strongly are scum. I don't usually give alot of content, I just pressure and ask questions of things I find suspicious or curious (usually suspicious). I also post alot because I like activity, and I always try to make everyone talk. The number one way to let scum go is to let them lurk. Don't let them do this! An active town is better than a lurker town.

Also, I have trouble communicating myself with the town. Mostly because I have a disorganized mind, and that I have English as a second language. So now you know my background. So I am sorry if my reasons come off as weird, or reachy. I play by Gut, and then I try to make sure my reads are right by SOLID evidence. This is why I play so forcefully and especially with questions questions and more questions. So, here you go.

@Kuz, Zen: Can you explain the importance of Communication with the town, and running into playstyles you might like or dislike? (And how it doesn't determine alignment)

This is true. Some people do have certain play styles that should be treated as null regarding their alignment, such as you asking multiple unnecessary questions. However, you can not use this to excuse the fact that you are playing scummy. You popping reads out of your arse has nothing to do with your play style, you're just scummy. There is no way you should have the reads you have so early. There is absolutely no reason you should have a "wont be willing to lynch him ever ever ever" read on Shotty from one post. That's insane. You're definitely not really attempting to read people, all of your reads so far have been pulled out of no where.

Which accusations do you feel are a bit too certain, and why?

Town read of Shotty.
Town read of Vinyl.
Scum read of Kary.
Scum read of Vitamin.

Furthermore your read of me is complete BS. You are trying to connect me to Kary who hasn't even flipped yet based on him not asking me to join the shotty wagon, when the only reason he asked you was because he was responding to your #61. So yeah that point is garb.

First off, underlined, what the hell is this? You're attempting to strengthen your point on me by saying Zen would agree with you? Why do you need him to back you up? I don't want to know what you say he'll agree with. I want to know what he really thinks about your read on me.
@Zen: Respond to this please.

I do agree that your call out of him was wack. Your reason was "because you're scum" which wasn't even a reason. So yeah I agree with what he is saying in particular here. Not sure why he assumed I would though.

 

[Axel]

Fwew that took longer than expected..Tomorrow is going to be hell...

Willing to lynch Ranmaru or Vinyl.
Could see lynching Sailor moon or Serin as well.

 

[Vinylic.]

What do you think of serin?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Zen: I thought you were waiting for the inactive players to catch up? (#264) Then you make this big post, picking out things from much earlier? I suppose the easy answer is that you got tired of waiting, right?

my replies in pale turquoise

Sometimes it's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or asking a legitimate question. Which is it here?

I'm being sarcastic, and I'm sorry that I'm not always making myself clear. I know that I don't 'win' anything if Ran claims i'm OMGUSing him, whether I am or not. The reason I mention it, though, is that I feel people ought to know when Ran makes a really bad case against me, because it could suggest that he's scum. I pointed out that he is basically lying about me in my post #219 for the same reason, because I think it's suspicious.

Why would you lynch someone you have a null read on (in which you originally had a town read on. I don't get why it changed all the sudden) over an inactive lurker? That's just plain inefficient.

I didn't really have a town read on you- I said that I liked you, but I didn't mean by that that I thought you were town (e.g. look at #148).
And I would consider lynching someone I didn't have a read on after they had posted precisely because I couldn't read them- I might take a chance on being able to read an inactive player once they do eventually post.

As for my question, it's odd that you're claiming to not see where I could be going with them, yet you felt the need to reiterate them earlier. If you felt there was no reason behind them, then why did you reask them? As for my reason for the experience question, it helps me to read into people intentions. For example who would you be able to better read, your best friend, or some random stranger? Your best friend of course because you know more about them, their drives, tells, and motivations. The more you know about a player, the better you can read into their intentions.

I found it interesting that some people hadn't fully answered your question, and so I wanted to call them on it, expecially when the part they'd missed was essentially 'have you been mafia before'. On the other hand, I still don't know why you've picked a quite general, easy to answer question in order to try and learn someone's motivations etc. And I'm not quite sure why knowing how experienced a player is will enable you to read them better, especially if you've not played with them before. I can see why it would help you choose night kills, though...

One think I've noticed is that both you and Vitamin seem be playing like you have played before. You, Lemi, know all these terms and concepts that a noob wouldn't ordinarily have so I'm quite curious as to where you've gotten the information that you've been using (such as lynching inactives, quick lynching, pressuring, RVS, wagons, etc). I doubt X1 has trained you in all of this.

Where? Well, mostly around here- there's plenty of threads. I learn fast, and I've been reading a lot.

Still not sure about your playstyle, Zen. I find it unusual that twice you've jumped in and voted someone, then not chased them up at all. And somehow those are the only two people that are really up for a lynch today.
Then there's this post... as I said it doesn't seem that up to date, so I could argue that you're just posting for the sake of appearances. And then you want to know how experienced everyone is... like I said, I can see how that might help night kills.

Perhaps what I'm saying is that you seem happy to keep a lot to yourself... and apparently you're already happy with your lynch choices.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@VINYL:

You still haven't answered why you were, or seemed to be, so certain Ran was town.

If you disagree with the question, I understand. But please try and respond to it. Everyone is happy to jump on your waggon, and if you just ignore it, it doesn't help us catch scum. At this stage it doesn't matter whether you're town or not, it's still in your interest to try and catch scum.

I feel weird having just written that... if it sounds like I'm defending Vinyl then what the hell, i'll deal with that later. I want answers.

@JDietz: I don't think there is an obvious lynch candidate, at least not yet. I don't see why you're asking me for one. My point is that one may appear in the coming hours, and that they're unlikely to do that if we just let them ride a waggon that was around before they got here. I admit Ran is a problem, but I don't think he's a threat. I'm sorry if that doesn't your question.

 

[Axel]

@Zen: I thought you were waiting for the inactive players to catch up? (#264) Then you make this big post, picking out things from much earlier? I suppose the easy answer is that you got tired of waiting, right?

As you see, I had yet to address any of that. I has been only commenting on things that particularly struck my eye or someone asking me a question. It's only until now that I've actually fully read through everything.

Still not sure about your playstyle, Zen. I find it unusual that twice you've jumped in and voted someone, then not chased them up at all. And somehow those are the only two people that are really up for a lynch today.

What does it matter if those are the two people that are up for the lynch when I made my suspicions before others' suspicions built up? I should have mentioned this before game, but I play more reserved as an IC. Generally as a player I'm over active and take up most of the spot light, but I'd like for the newer players to get a chance to fully experience the game which is another reason why I have been skimming and then going back and rereading everything. I know how much influence I can have in getting what I want. I want others to play the game though and not just follow me. Pretty much everyone has posted except Kuz now, who isn't a newbie. I feel Sailor Moon & Serin are going to continue to coast regardless of whether or not I'm creating more content so I that's why I decided to post now. As for my reserved style having nothing to do with my alignment, check the last newbie game I was in (which I think Kuz linked), I mention it at the beginning which I forgot to do so here, but Ranmaru can confirm that I made note of this before the game started to him in Skype (before getting our roles). So yeah that has nothing to do with my alignment. You're going to have to judge me by my pushes.

Then there's this post... as I said it doesn't seem that up to date, so I could argue that you're just posting for the sake of appearances. And then you want to know how experienced everyone is... like I said, I can see how that might help night kills.

Perhaps what I'm saying is that you seem happy to keep a lot to yourself... and apparently you're already happy with your lynch choices.

Question, what is wrong with being happy about my lynch choices? Do you not think Ranmaru is scum? Do you not think Vinyl is scum?

Question, once again, why did it matter to you if people answered my question? What did you hope to gain from them answering about their experience as scum?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Question, what is wrong with being happy about my lynch choices? Do you not think Ranmaru is scum? Do you not think Vinyl is scum?

I think both of them may well be scum, and they may well be scum together. But I don't think we can rest on our laurels just yet. There may not be any other good candidates, but as I said to JDietz, if we're happy to let everyone ride the couple of waggons we've created, then we're not going to learn any more about people today. There are at least two more scum out there and I think we should be looking for them now.

Question, once again, why did it matter to you if people answered my question? What did you hope to gain from them answering about their experience as scum?

I was interested in the delivery of the answers, not the answers themselves. And talking about being scum is a pretty good medium as any, because it reminds players of their alignment in this game. You could say I was fishing for reads, to see how people react when you say they've dodged a question, to see how people would go about talking about being scum...

Now, one for you:

I know how much influence I can have in getting what I want. I want others to play the game though and not just follow me.

I appreciate this, that as an IC you don't want to be leading the game. Kuz appears to take a similar view, haha.
The thing is, if you didn't want people following you, why did you vote for both Ran and Vinyl before giving other players the opportunity to do so? You seem passive in discussion, but pretty active when certain people slip up etc.
Secondly, if you don't want people just following you, why don't you question them on whether they're just parroting/sheeping you? Letting people climb on waggons you've helped start is what makes me think you don't mind people following you.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I don't really want to be posting so much, but I thought this was worth mentioning:
my comments are in pale turquoise

I don't think I can say with certainty who is guaranteed town. Ori seems town to me. He's jumping in and contributing quite a bit. He also seems to be playing cautiously by holding back his vote until things become a bit less murky.

This may be true of Ori, but surely it's true of a lot of people, myself included? Why did you pick him out?

I'd probably choose Vinyl. after Ran. Like people are saying, he is distancing himself from Ran and hasn't really posted in his style earlier in the game. Makes me think that he feels backed into a corner and thinking/waiting for a way to get back in the game.

Ori-bro just said something very similar, in #268. But I don't understand why you both thought there was anything between Vinyl and Ran. Vinyl seems to be supporting Ran as he's claimed Ran must be town, but not said why. Also, Ran gave Vinyl a strong town read. It's a strange coincidence that you'd both make the same mistake in a matter of posts, especially when JDietz already corrected Ori_bro in #270.

I wouldn't be against lynching Ran since he's been very active and people are arguing and accusing him. If he does end up to be town, perhaps his posts and the other players' posts can be evaluated after his flip?

You're ok with lynching Ran at this stage, because you think he's said enough. That I can understand. But what's your opinion of him? It seems like you don't really care what happens, and aren't willing to commit- and it sounds like you're not fussed if he does flip town. I appreciate you may have a lot on, but this seems like an attitude that doesn't help town at all.

Oh, and SERIN? WHERE ARE YOU? I'm not happy with you getting a free ride to Day 2.

(I have given up on kuz arriving.)

 

[Axel]

I was interested in the delivery of the answers, not the answers themselves. And talking about being scum is a pretty good medium as any, because it reminds players of their alignment in this game. You could say I was fishing for reads, to see how people react when you say they've dodged a question, to see how people would go about talking about being scum...

You're making this up.

You: "Since Zen didn't ask again what were your alignments?"
General Response: "I was scum once and town once"

There is nothing from that delivery that you can get. You had no real reason for reasking my questions. It's very hypocritical for you to call me out on making sure everyone answered, when you wanted that very thing even before people had the chance to answer. Your point is wrong. At this point you're just accusing me of whatever you can come up with. I highly doubt that you find anything I've done to be actually scummy. You're just over speculating my standard actions.

I appreciate this, that as an IC you don't want to be leading the game. Kuz appears to take a similar view, haha.
The thing is, if you didn't want people following you, why did you vote for both Ran and Vinyl before giving other players the opportunity to do so? You seem passive in discussion, but pretty active when certain people slip up etc.
Secondly, if you don't want people just following you, why don't you question them on whether they're just parroting/sheeping you? Letting people climb on waggons you've helped start is what makes me think you don't mind people following you.

First question: I'm still apart of the game son. Second question: Because I don't need to. Asking questions with obvious responses is no use. You're supposed to look into a persons intentions on your own not directly ask them what their intention is: "hey are you parratoing me?"

And if you noticed Lemi, I've given 4 people who I'd be ok with lynching today.

 

[ranmaru]

Kary I dont see how zen got people to follow him on his votes alone.

What is your opinion of shotty?

vote: shottymaster

Vitamin, why havent you acted upon your kary scumread?

Zen you are right. You arent scum with lemon. I concede that point.

Btw I was not my playstyle as an excuse. Ut was to debunk karys argument, cuz it was bad. 'u just arent helping town'

Also I see lemon hunting for too much scum to look like he is town. He wants 20 wagons when the scum are apparent. (and himself)

vynil still obv town. Keep bein town man.

Also yea zen said he would play this way and I approve of it. Imo he has done enuff.