Newbie 17 - Breaking Bad Mafia! Game over! Who won?

[ranmaru]

And I find new reasons all the time, honey.

I may not have given you said reason, but I had it. Whether or not it took me more posts from you to flesh out my read does not affect my alignment.

Bold, you are trying to paint me scummy with reasons like fluff and then fence sit on me because you see people say I seem scummy when I'm town. You aren't looking at my intentions, nor are you trying to figure out my alignment. You are trying to find more reasons to fuel your fake scum read on me.

Underlined, you having a reason but not stating it doesn't convince anyone. It's obvious you really didn't have a reason and that means your read on me was fake, and still is fake.

 

[ranmaru]

However, based on what people say about you in other games, you seem to look scummy while being town. (Although I may get called out on saying this, as I think I've heard people argue against looking at a player's other games to determine how they play)

What was your purpose of stating this?

 

[Vinylic.]

Careful, boi. You could make a mistake by making more reasons.

 

[Vinylic.]

And I'm about as close as making a wagon of oranges too.

 

[ranmaru]

Lol! I like that joke. I have a lemon wagon. It's tangy. ;o

Vinyl, opinion on Lemon?

 

[ranmaru]

FoS on vitaminC after what I've read. Details later.

Also serin, better not be lurking again, man.

Unvote

Still waiting on DA DETAILS.

 

[Vinylic.]

God, I just finished taking a shower man.

Lemon is cute, but I don't like how he automatically vote on shawty for nothing.
Why have thought for shotty when he hasn't done anything yet.

It would've made a little bit more sense if he's been going inactive for two or three days though.

 

[VitaminC]

Alright. My reasons are nil to you, and I can't make you see otherwise. But what is your read on me? You're being extremely aggressive, so you obviously have a problem with my play. I'm aware you think I'm scum. But I really don't understand what your reason is. I cannot see where I'm being scummy. I think your reasons are as made up as you see mine to be. You consistently try to "prove" my scumminess by saying that I had no reason to vote for you and that I am scrambling to find evidence. That's hardly a scumtell. This seems more like you being upset.

Your #110:
"Eww. Why haven't you stated this before? You never stated this in your reasoning. You said that an Active town may have scum, and that I was scum for saying I liked active towns. Your push is very suspicious. You ask me your thoughts on your vote, I tell you, and you tell me that I misunderstood and you don't even explain it again until I ask you. Why did you wait until then to give this 'new' assessment?"

Your reasoning here is that I'm suspicious for not informing you of my reason for voting you. This means nothing.

See, this is why I think you are scum. I feel you are using the excuse of you trying to test me 'as a reaction'. Why? Because you haven't given a conclusion until AFTER I asked for your reasoning. You are holding onto your scumread on me just to seem townie that has a 'committed mindset'.

Your reasoning here doesn't make sense. I can't even tell what you're accusing me of. What does the underlined line mean?

 

[VitaminC]

EBWOP: I italicized it accidentaly. It's "I feel you are using the excuse of you trying to test me 'as a reaction'. Why? Because you haven't given a conclusion until AFTER I asked for your reasoning."

 

[VitaminC]

@Lurkers: Any comments? You haven't said anything in a while JDietz.

 

[Jdietz43]

Lemon seems to be very helpful and is already preaching for activity and wagoning. I like the enthusiasm but I feel it is possible he may be scum trying to seem very helpful because I have no idea where he has learned to start up like that.

That's an awfully funny first thought considering your MO is random questioning.

Vote: Ranmaru

FoS: Kary Lemonparty

You're far too eager to get people to join your Shotty wagon for it to be RVS



@Ran: Voting for myself seemed like the funny thing to do after claiming first and being ninja'd.

 

[Vinylic.]

TIme to squeeze your juices.

Kary is null leaning scum to me right now.

I was under the impression you (ran) were scum.

A Change of fate eh?

I'm holding my vote on you because I still believe you might be scum. I'm not fully convinced, but that's hardly a reason to remove my vote. My reasoning is that you've been putting out fluff, asking questions that either don't have or don't need answers. It seems to me like you're pushing for whatever someone else is pushing for, especially Kary, and that you're trying to stay behind other people but still look good doing it. However, based on what people say about you in other games, you seem to look scummy while being town. (Although I may get called out on saying this, as I think I've heard people argue against looking at a player's other games to determine how they play)

I thought you said you were, of course.....

under the impression

That he is scum, and yet your are not fully under it?

It seems to me that you're saying my vote on you is irrational because I didn't explain it in a way that was satisfactory to you.[/B]

So you deny it was irrational....

I may not have given you said reason, but I had it.

And then it's as almost as if you said it was.

"I feel you are using the excuse of you trying to test me 'as a reaction'. Why? Because you haven't given a conclusion until AFTER I asked for your reasoning."

But your reasoning was more weaker than his. Would he come to a conclusion for this first statement?

I was under the impression you (ran) were scum.

 

[Jdietz43]

**** of course I was on the fence of both of them. It's hard to tell with this F&I setup broski. I was trying to speculate on what fire/ice scum would do. My read on both of them was still developing. At that time we were fresh into the game and I didn't have a solid read, ofc. I don't understand why you would expect me to know why you voted Vitamin either. I hadn't even had enough time to get a feel on them. Lemon's actions have become readily apparent to me, so of course I will become suspicious if I see suspicious actions. At the time you asked, he did not seem suspicious to me.

@Ran: Why did you feel it necessary to use an entire paragraph complete with profanity to dodge questioning already.

 

[ranmaru]

You consistently try to "prove" my scumminess by saying that I had no reason to vote for you and that I am scrambling to find evidence. That's hardly a scumtell. This seems more like you being upset.


Your reasoning here is that I'm suspicious for not informing you of my reason for voting you. This means nothing.



Your reasoning here doesn't make sense. I can't even tell what you're accusing me of. What does the underlined line mean?

Underlined, yes it is. But now you accept that you did it, so you have proven my case right. I am not upset. I don't see how I can be seen as upset to you.

It means alot, not nothing. You are trying to handwave the reasoning by saying that it is nothing when it is really something. If you were town you would have been fine with giving reasons. Of course this is different in Zen's case. He voted me, said would give reasons later. When he came back, he then gave the reasoning. You, on the other hand, didn't naturally do that. You just waited until I asked you for you to erect all that reasoning, and it is very fake. This is why you are scum.

Oh, sorry. I meant that you were using the excuse that your vote without reason was a reaction test, but it really wasn't because you didn't give a conclusion for it. You didn't do anything with it, only to seem like you did something with it.

 

[ranmaru]

@Ran: Why did you feel it necessary to use an entire paragraph complete with profanity to dodge questioning already.

I didn't dodge questioning. Tell me how I dodged it.

 

[ranmaru]

JD, all this time and that was all you could come up with?

What is your opinion on Zen, Lemon, and Kary?

Why didn't you answer my question about you self voting?

 

[Jdietz43]

Oh oops. <3

Bet Serin's town. He doesn't get his "rush" if he's not scum.

Elaborate. What about Serin's play or lack thereof makes you take an opinion on him already.

 

[Jdietz43]

JD, all this time and that was all you could come up with?

What is your opinion on Zen, Lemon, and Kary?

Why didn't you answer my question about you self voting?

Nice OMGUS.

I like Zen, I dislike Kary who is the same person and "Lemon", but you already knew that because I FoS'd them.

I did answer your question, look back.

 

[Vinylic.]

Diet Salad, you're must be dodging ran's recent question.

 

[Jdietz43]

I didn't dodge questioning. Tell me how I dodged it.

You brushed away Zen's suspicion with heavy AtE, not casual logic and speaking in normal discussion.

 

[Jdietz43]

Diet Salad, you're must be dodging ran's recent question.

Point it out to me and I'll answer whatever it was.

This forum requires that you wait 30 seconds between posts. Please try again in 3 seconds.

 

[VitaminC]

Underlined, yes it is. But now you accept that you did it, so you have proven my case right. I am not upset. I don't see how I can be seen as upset to you.

You seem pretty defensive for some reason. And that's hardly the intention I had in my post.

It means alot, not nothing. You are trying to handwave the reasoning by saying that it is nothing when it is really something. If you were town you would have been fine with giving reasons. Of course this is different in Zen's case. He voted me, said would give reasons later. When he came back, he then gave the reasoning. You, on the other hand, didn't naturally do that. You just waited until I asked you for you to erect all that reasoning, and it is very fake. This is why you are scum.

I'm sorry. This is my first game of mafia. I'm not going to pretend I'm stupid or anything, but really, you're on my case because I didn't do something right. And I'm not against giving reasons for my vote on you. I've done it. Why can you not drop this section of your argument? It really has no bearing at this point.

Oh, sorry. I meant that you were using the excuse that your vote without reason was a reaction test, but it really wasn't because you didn't give a conclusion for it. You didn't do anything with it, only to seem like you did something with it.

I never meant to claim I was fishing for a reaction. That was a side effect to my vote on you. I voted for you because I thought you were scum. That was my reasoning, which was expanded upon later. It started out as a gut reaction to your posts, and moved on to having evidence and clear points associated with it.

 

[ranmaru]

JD learn to multiquote man.

Getting to you.

 

[Jdietz43]

JD learn to multiquote man.

Getting to you.

Never.

Taking the time to multiquote gives scum time to question why I've been in thread so long without speaking, as you've already attempted to do.

 

[Vinylic.]

Point it out to me and I'll answer whatever it was.

This forum requires that you wait 30 seconds between posts. Please try again in 3 seconds.

You're supposed to be pointing it out. You must be capable of being more specific by quoting his and Yen's posts. Not to mention highlighting.


Salad, I think you're avoiding yourself from being wrong.

 

[ranmaru]

That's an awfully funny first thought considering your MO is random questioning.

Vote: Ranmaru

FoS: Kary Lemonparty

You're far too eager to get people to join your Shotty wagon for it to be RVS



@Ran: Voting for myself seemed like the funny thing to do after claiming first and being ninja'd.

What do you mean by the underlined, JD?

I didn't like that you self voted, especially after voting the mod too. It shows you were afraid to vote others because of omgus that may spill onto you.

I did not AtE towards Zen, nor do I ever.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vote: Ranmaru

See Ranmaru's post #90 for what I'm complaining about below:

@Ran:

• You called me out on the word 'probably' even though it wasn't an important part of what i was saying. I don't think that's me being unsure or trying to cover up or squat.
• You asked me for an opinion on Zen, and I told you that I liked him, I thought he was playing well, and as far as I can tell you took this as me giving him a clear town read, even though I pretty much said I would reserve judgment.
• You think it's suspicious that I only asked you to join the Shotty waggon, and that I didn't explain why I said I was testing you by asking you to join it. I don't really understand why singling you out and asking you to do something really minor just to see whether you'd do it is suspicious. Aren't we trying to get reactions from one another at this stage in the game?

ALSO

• I didn't ask Zen/VitaminC or anyone else to join the Shottymaster waggon because I'm not really that interested in having a waggon at this point. Hence why I used the 'waggon' as a means of judging your responses. I thought that this was pretty obvious.
• And if you must know, your post #61 was what prompted me to ask you about the Shotty waggon, because I wasn't getting anything useful from your waffly and confusing posts. I thought maybe than following your advice and.... I don't know, it's not even clear- I would instead ask you a simple question.

Now, here's some points that don't stack in your favour, Ran.

• You're asking way too many questions- whenever you reply to someone you ask them six things when you could ask them one and maybe get a clear answer.
• All you seem to do is call other people out on things, I don't think i've seen you just sit back and maybe take a few questions; an over-active town isn't a good thing either.
• You've got a couple of votes on you, perhaps because you're all over the place, but I don't think you've come out with any real defence, any explanation of your actions- you just want people to explain why they voted for you.
• If you're going to call me scum, not just vote me, for heaven's sake at least make a halfway decent case. I would love to say that you're putting pressure on me but it feels like you're wasting my time.

@VitaminC, Zen: I've got a couple answers for you, sorry, they'll be along in a minute. I'm just sick of Ranmaru basically spamming the thread, and wanted to put out a case against him.

For the record i'm not even ready to lynch Ranmaru yet, but I sure as hell don't think he's helping the town game. Hopefully some people feel the same

 

[Jdietz43]

You're supposed to be pointing it out. You must be capable of being more specific by quoting his and Yen's posts. Not to mention highlighting.


Salad, I think you're avoiding yourself from being wrong.

I can honestly say I don't know what you want of me at this moment.
Why did you make a vauge statement of me, then when I asked what the actual question was, drop it.

I'm not a mind reader. You're going to have to be specific if you want me to be able to help you.

 

[VitaminC]

TIme to squeeze your juices.



A Change of fate eh?

I don't see what this means. I was leaning scum on Kary, and I had a scum read for Ran.


I thought you said you were, of course.....

That he is scum, and yet your are not fully under it?

No, I'm not. I'm still formulating my read on him, every single post he makes. I don't see how this matters. Contradictions happen in my posts because I'm freakin' human, not because I'm scum.

So you deny it was irrational....

And then it's as almost as if you said it was.

Same as above. I'm human, guilty as charged. I don't see how the second quote implies that I felt my vote was irrational.

But your reasoning was more weaker than his. Would he come to a conclusion for this first statement?

This is me quoting something he said. How is this related?

My responses in red.

 

[ranmaru]

JD, can you explain why you like Zen?

 

[Vinylic.]

I'm not a mind reader. You're going to have to be specific if you want me to be able to help you.

What in the world? I just you're supposed to be specific.
You should've at least show proof that ran dodged the question, not go onto someone else and go "why don't you do it instead?"

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Vitamin C;
sorry about the 'what if I join your waggon' question- i was basically trying to gauge your read on Ranmaru, wondered whether you felt like putting pressure on him was a good thing. I've just voted him now so let's see whether he squirms.
As to what I think of Zen's vote for Ranmaru- well, at the time I was cool with it, whether or not reasoning was forthcoming; I thought he was either pressuring Ran or had a read on him he wanted to share. Once the reasoning came out, I thought it was a good thing to call Ran on, and more than enough to qualify for a vote at this stage in the game.
If i've missed anything else you wanted answered please tell me.

@Zen: I'd prefer not to say who I know in the forum, at least not before checking with them, so... do you mind if I don't say? I guess if you ask again I will tell you, it's no skin off my nose if you know.

I think that was it. Now I'm going to read whatever's going on now.

 

[Jdietz43]

What do you mean by the underlined, JD?

I didn't like that you self voted, especially after voting the mod too. It shows you were afraid to vote others because of omgus that may spill onto you.

I did not AtE towards Zen, nor do I ever.

It means exactly what I said. You were double backing on your read of Kary for doing exactly the same thing as you always do. What kind of standard is that?


No, you were AtE'ing in that post.

**** of course I was on the fence of both of them. It's hard to tell with this F&I setup broski. I was trying to speculate on what fire/ice scum would do. My read on both of them was still developing. At that time we were fresh into the game and I didn't have a solid read, ofc. I don't understand why you would expect me to know why you voted Vitamin either. I hadn't even had enough time to get a feel on them. Lemon's actions have become readily apparent to me, so of course I will become suspicious if I see suspicious actions. At the time you asked, he did not seem suspicious to me.

You could have simply said so normally, but instead you chose to filter in buddying and AtE. Even without these exclamatory remarks added in, your paragraph overall looks like flailing. Zen is voting you for double backing and fence sitting, so to answer him, you double backed on why you were double backing? Great.

 

[Jdietz43]

JD, can you explain why you like Zen?

He's calling out the obvious flaws in your play, and making good sense. He came to the Ran conclusion all on his own as I was reading, already having made that conclusion myself from your strange opinion of Kary's questions.

 

[Jdietz43]

What in the world? I just you're supposed to be specific.
You should've at least show proof that ran dodged the question, not go onto someone else and go "why don't you do it instead?"

I didn't ask you to show proof for my own opinions for me. I asked you to tell me what you wanted, because it wasn't clear at all. I couldn't answer a question I didn't understand.

 

[Vinylic.]

I misunderstood. My bad.

You already did something I wanted you to do.

 

[Vinylic.]

I mean, yeah you just answered his question on how he dodged it.

 

[Jdietz43]

Alright cool lol.

I was going to say: there's only so much I can do if I don't know what someone wants.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Can I get peoples' opinions on Ranmaru? He's leaning scum for me.

 

[VitaminC]

I'm thinking scum.

@Axel: My reread of this thread has made me morbidly curious. Why did you vote for me and why did you ask Ranmaru if he knew why you voted for me?