Newbie 15 - Betty Crocker Mafia - Game Over!

[John2k4]

Ori, you can keep posting until the Night phase begins. Any last reads from you?
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Tery your hammer picture thing has crashed my phone 3 times now.

 

[Ori_bro]

I never like Sokr, watch out for him. AA and gheb are both very suspicious. It wouldn't surprise me that any of these 3 could be mafia. Sokr has never had a clear reason why he wanted me lynched other than going with the crowd.

Welp unless you all want more Bisquick, my expiration date is about to hit.

 

[Ori_bro]

So I suggest a AA or Sokr lynch on D2.

 

[John2k4]

I plan on looking into Asianaussie's posts in-depth over the Night, since his posts as of late have been...odd.

 

[o-Serin-o]

I second the above post.

Moreover, I would prefer a Sokr lynch.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Stop ****ing ninja'ing me, goddammit

 

[Sokr]

Jeeze, I'm gonna need to catch up toNight. I've been terribly inactive due to being distracted with my other game.

 

[John2k4]

I can see those 2 on the Chopping block for D2, yes.
Before jumping to them, however, let's see the flip.

 

[o-Serin-o]

When does Gova flip? Tomorrow or tonight?

 

[Ori_bro]

Since I'm L-1, and people are convinced I'm scum I think its going to be very difficult for me to convince you all that I am indeed town. But eh lets give this a shot.

I'm Bisquick town vanilla.

Theres your flip >_>;

 

[Gova]

1. Terywj ()
2. Sokr ()
3. Serin ()
4. John2k4 ()
5. asianaussie (2) Gheb, Ori
6. Ori_Bro (5) John, Serin, AA, S2, Tery
7. MARaTHonmann ()
8. Gheb ()
9. Sold2 ()

Not voting - MM, Sokr

A lynch has been reached.

Ori_bro, (Bisquick, Vanilla Townie) has been lynched.

Night 1 begins!

Deadline is November 19th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)

 

[Gova]

John2k4, (Fruit-by-the-foot, Town Watcher) has been killed!

Day 2 Begins!

1. Terywj ()
2. Sokr ()
3. Serin ()
5. asianaussie ()
7. MARaTHonmann ()
8. Gheb ()
9. Sold2 ()

Not voting - Tery, Sokr, Serin, AA, MM, Gheb, S2

With 7 playing, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is November 30th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[o-Serin-o]

Well ****. There goes the watcher.

How did they figure John was the watcher?

 

[o-Serin-o]

Personally, I can't help but feel like I'm to blame for John's death.

If I hadn't have speculated night kills, scum team may have gone through what could have possibly been their original plan.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

My suspicions of having either of the IC slots as scum have been raised. I'll do some reading later. Expect stuff on the IC players and Sokr. Personally, I feel Sokr is just frustrated townie at this stage.

Serin, stuff happens, to be honest. While you shouldn't have been speculating and throwing out kill options on whim, John played relatively well without drawing too much attention to himself. If you noticed, not much was discussed on John at all, and most of was during RVS, IIRC. Don't think about your faults and just find reads and push people to get the right lynch today.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm matched perfectly with what Ori_bro wanted to look into after his lynch, so I'll take this into account.

I can't really read Gheb to be honest. If anything it's null as it stands. I want to see how Gheb v. Tsukishima plays out. That will help immensely. Sold has posted much more, so I'll take some time for that, too.

Serin, I like the thought / input you made of looking towards the IC slots since neither of them were killed last night and a good choice was picked off by the scum. However, don't think I've forgotten about your "change of opinion". I'll be watching you closely today.

Sokr, let's hear your thoughts. The Ori_bro lynch, the flip, John's death, everything. Same goes for you, Marathonman.

I wish John was still around, I want his opinions on stuff.

 

[asianaussie]

the tsukishima thing confused me for a second XD

part of the reason john was lynched is probably because he fully intended to read up on me, and it would look like im getting him killed to stop his analysis coming out

im only saying this because it's an obvious trap and i want it out in the open before somebody 'twigs' to it and gets me mislynched

did john have any significant connections other than with me?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

John played very well as town, which is why I'm inclined to the thought of any of the IC slots being scum, because John posted thoughts, contributed, but didn't stir up too much attention towards himself, IMO.

 

[Sokr]

Ok, I've caught up over the night fase and will hopefully start to make a contribution.
Here are my results:

Terywj
Serin
Asianaussie: This one is a bit hesitant.
Gheb
Sold2
Marathonman

I have a really hard time reading the IC's hence the null reads.

I know. I'm not saying it's scummy or anything, I was just interested in his response. And I asked Tery cause he was first on the votecount list. So, serin, same question. Why aren't you voting for someone right now?

Asking someone a question just because they are first on the vote list? It seems to me as if he's just trying to get "scumhunting" looking questions out there to blend in to town.

Why don't you want to think he is scum?

Obviously because the person hasn't said anything to make him think he's scum. What is even the point of this question? Trying to push people's suspicion onto townies?

And you chose us Tery, awww.

@AA Where have I avoided your questions? Could you point them out to me? I guess maybe the one where you asked for an in-depth read, but I haven't had enough time for that. I'll try to get something like that done now, maybe.

You haven't done this yet. Do it. Now.Or are you not concerned about reads because you know everyone's alignment and your only concern is to blend in and redirect people's FOS' to townies?


From What I've seen of Marathonman, I'd like him to die. Preferably soon if there aren't any better reads.

@Mod, does the Watcher "visit" someone at night?
Only way to find out. It really should be a visiting role, since it's making the choice to target someone.

Is it possible he's asking this so as to make it harder for the tracker to determine who's scum? If so, then I can only see a scum saying this. It would only complicate things for town.

And no, I'm not going to back up my town reads because anything I say would be short lame, and meaningless. And quoting town play would require quoting everything. One does not slip town one plays town.

Dammit Gheb you remind me so much of Ryker and Swiss. However it is nice to have you as an IC seeing as you three are probs the people I would want to learn mafia from the most.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

How did they figure John was the watcher?

If I hadn't have speculated night kills, scum team may have gone through what could have possibly been their original plan.

part of the reason john was lynched is probably because he fully intended to read up on me, and it would look like im getting him killed to stop his analysis coming out

im only saying this because it's an obvious trap and i want it out in the open before somebody 'twigs' to it and gets me mislynched

did john have any significant connections other than with me?

Thoughts like that should be kept hidden from now on. You're introducing avenues of discussion that are entirely fruitless. You will not achieve anything by speculating the night kill choice for any explanation works just as well as the next. What if they just randomly killed him? What if they read him as watcher? What if they just wanted you to get involved in pointless speculation? What about the WIFOM aspect of their kill choice?

Do we really need to attempt to figure it out - an attempt that is inevitably bound to be in vain anyway? Anything that leads to further discussion in regards to this subject is superfluous and potentially derailing so let's please stop it now and try not to squander time speculating things.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I like Sokr's case a lot more than the fact that he's not doing the most logical thing - voting.

Vote Marathonman

Sokr, your case is solid and I don't see why you're not voting him for it. If you want confirmation on your read then more pressure on him is due. Like I said in the beginning: stick to your own ideas; if you think your case is strong enough you don't need to wait for an IC or another player - just throw out your vote. If you can give an explanation then there's nothing for you to worry about - and there's nothing wrong about changing your mind if Marathonman's responses appear sound to you either.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Is it possible he's asking this so as to make it harder for the tracker to determine who's scum? If so, then I can only see a scum saying this. It would only complicate things for town.

He asked because I mentioned that other sites handle watchers differently. It's just a mechanical question with no further importance. His lack of stances and pushes yesterDay are a lot more problematic in my eyes.

Dammit Gheb you remind me so much of Ryker and Swiss. However it is nice to have you as an IC seeing as you three are probs the people I would want to learn mafia from the most.

I take offense in the comparison to Swiss.

Though I don't see why anybody would be reminded of Ryker by how I play. We're quite different players and you will likely not learn much about him based on how I play [and vice versa].

 

[DtJ S2n]

I could've SWORN I just posted in here what in the world I'm going crazy.

I'm sorry, I was busy this weekend for a lot longer than expected. I should have called V/LA (Vacation/Limited Access). I was at a tournament and then the follow-up party. And now I gotta go take care of personal things.

Anyways all I really wanted to say is that I'd really like everyone to comment on the Marathonmann wagon, or perhaps AA's relationship to Marathon or anything really. I tagged it as important D1 and it's doubly so right now.

 

[Sokr]

Oh, good point Gheb. I knew i forgot something.

Vote: Marathonman

 

[o-Serin-o]

Not voting until I hear rebuttals.

 

[asianaussie]

I want to know what Sokr thinks of my pseudo-pressure on Marathon yesterday, specifically

• lack of proactivity
• only talks when mentioned/addressed

Sokr, do you only have me as town due to the fact our 'cases' coincide?

I don't want to put him at L-1 this quickly.

 

[Sokr]

@AA

i agree with your case against him (or what i remember of it. i also agree to getting him to L-1. No, your conflict with Marathonman is not what put you as town. That would be foolish as you could just be distancing yourself from your scummate.

 

[Sokr]

Ok, it's 36 hours into toDay, why is there no discussion? Everyone voice your reads/opinions. At the very least comment on what you think of this Marathonman thing. The sooner we get discussion started, the sooner we get more reads which means we uncover the scum team faster which means town wins faster.

Marathon man, what have you got to say about yourself and what are your reads?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm home for Thanksgiving break. But I like what you've discussed about Marathonman. I'll look at all his posts tomorrow / Wednesday.

I should be asleep.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

My suspect list:

Marathon
AA / Stu

 

[asianaussie]

V/LA for a good half week due to exams

more LA and definitely not a vacation though

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Serin, while you're not voting yet now is still a good time for you to name a list of suspects of about 2 or 3 people to see what else could be discussed. Committing to only one avenue of discussion at a time has hardly helped us and it would be good to find some other leads in case Marathon's defense is adequate. You and Marathon have been most quiet toDay and I don't see why you would.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Request prod for Marathonman

 

[o-Serin-o]

LOL it's funny. I was just about to post my list.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Suspects:

Sokr
AA

Sokr's case versus Marathonman is legitmate, but it lacks some stability.

Asking someone a question just because they are first on the vote list? It seems to me as if he's just trying to get "scumhunting" looking questions out there to blend in to town.

At the time being, there wasn't really a solid case that could have been thrown out there besides that one stint of Ori's faulty word play. At that point of the game, any question that could move us any further was okay. As for Marathonman asking Tery questions because it was first on the voting list... that can be regarded as randomness. I'd like to think scum wouldn't randomly pick someone to ask questions to, but rather build upon what someone else has brought to the table, correct?

 

[o-Serin-o]

All in all, I think what Sokr's brought to our attention is meant to draw attention from what I posted in #240 here:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13666566&postcount=290

Aside from the bottom quote, of course.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Sokr and AA are a scumteam in my eyes. The two have been playing hand-in-hand for most of the game. And it didn't occur to me until I went about looking at their posts.

[collapse=Evidence of Possible Scumteam]

I have a fos on ori and that's about it.

Ori because of the whole keeping his thoughts hidden thing.

For what it is (or isn't) worth:

FOS: Ori

'im ok with this, seems like a newbie who doesn't want to come on as too strong'



'seems like he has a tentative reason to vote ori, why'd he make it ambiguous with this RVS escape route?'

we are solidly out of RVS btw

^^^^
Showing an agreement with suspicion.

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Unvote

Incase anyone's wondering this is because I said why I did my last vote and now that everyone knows, it will serve no more of a purpose.

Ori, what are your thoughts on Gheb?

i think an extra vote on ori will be some nice pressure for him to sit down and rethink his play, want to oblige me?

Sure, why not? I have nothing else to go on.

Vote: Ori

^^^^^^
Obliging vote on Ori for pressure, as I noticed earlier on and brought to attention (though was seem to be disregarded).

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Sorry for the lack of posts. I tend to have a hard time coming up with things to discuss early on in the game before much discussion has happened. And yeah, i know, i should try to get discussions started, but I'm unfamiliar with how to do so.

Don't be sorry about it, work and fix it, that's the point of newbie games

Scour the posts for things you don't like or points you want to push, look for and question intent behind actions and don't be afraid to just throw questions you want answered out there.

^^^^^^
I understand that this is a newbie game, but simplified and casual talk here was too... casual. It also breaks away from the discussion that was had during the time of these posts.

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Is the existence or lack of one actually important in this situation? I don't understand the logic of asking this question.

It shows people are a bit apprehensive of them. Basically means people are more likely to listen to them and be less willing to upset them.

I asked Sokr, not you.

Reading through Sokr.

^^^^
Answering a question directed towards Sokr? Enough said.

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Sokr, do you only have me as town due to the fact our 'cases' coincide?

I don't want to put him at L-1 this quickly.

@AA

i agree with your case against him (or what i remember of it. i also agree to getting him to L-1.

Another case of agreement between the two that can be seen as hold hands.[/collapse]

I rest my case.

Vote: Sokr

I'm voting Sokr toDay, tomorrow, I'll be voting AA. Take Sokr's case for what it's worth, but please don't disregard what I've said.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You're getting a bit ahead of yourself now. Calling the whole scumteam on Day 2 is not something you should convince yourself of, even in such a small game. Your conclusions are also faulty - how exactly do you make the move from the basis that his case is "legit but needs stability" to the conclusion that Sokr is scummy? If you think it's the connection to AA that incriminates him then you're not voting the right player in my book.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Got back from visiting my high school and stuffs. Let's do some work.

Marathonman has essentially been playing on the sidelines since the game started. Dropping a RVS vote on me (which is fine) and then failing to push or really do anything about it. Furthermore, a vast majority of his posts have been lacking in content or a desire / intent to actively scumhunt. I think the most "filled" posts were the ones where he misunderstood Asianaussie's, which I find in and of itself suspicious (properly defensive vs. overly defensive), especially coming from a slot which has been quiet all game.

Serin, I'd just add onto what Gheb said by saying that people answering questions directed at others' isn't necessarily a tell. People do it all the time. It just happens.

That said, I will not be placing a vote on Marathonman until I see some more discussion take place.

 

[Sokr]

Suspects:

Sokr
AA

Sokr's case versus Marathonman is legitmate, but it lacks some stability.



At the time being, there wasn't really a solid case that could have been thrown out there besides that one stint of Ori's faulty word play. At that point of the game, any question that could move us any further was okay. As for Marathonman asking Tery questions because it was first on the voting list... that can be regarded as randomness. I'd like to think scum wouldn't randomly pick someone to ask questions to, but rather build upon what someone else has brought to the table, correct?

Not necessarily. If all your cases just build off someone else's then that can look scummy. Introducing a new case looks more town.