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Newbie 13: Organization XIII Mafia ~Town Wins!~

SangfroidWarrior

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@SW: We're all fairly confused. Just FYI. Do you guys do that here on SWF as well? Also, more content coming later.
Yeah, I know. But. it's just, Acro says that he thinks I'm town and then changes his vote back to me and I'm thinking it's just because he wants to pressure me into answering when he really doesn't have to. I'll gladly answer anyone's questions to the best of my abilities. And, I think they do, but I don't feel comfortable in asking for more time because it's D1 and I don't think extending it longer will be to anyone's benefit, except for maybe the mafia. We're all just fighting amongst ourselves and we aren't really getting anywhere. We're just delaying the time for some concrete evidence to come about.
 

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Leaving in like 30 minutes and trust me I will not be in the right state of mind when I come back tonight to do anything.

Does anyone object to a hammer?
 

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No. I'm good. I got my response from BPC and Sangfroid. Sangfroid I was pressure voting. It worked last time.
 

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Town Reads: Sang, Were
Town-Null: Panta
Null Reads: BPC, Zen, th3kuz, gargaglione

BPC there was already an extension when I replaced in for Moth.
 

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How do we know this? ...Lemme guess, the mod said so? FML I need to learn to read.
It is in the opening post.

J said:
[collapse=Set-ups]
Version 1
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker

1 Cop or Nurse
1 Doctor or Deputy
5 Townies


Version 2
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker

1 Cop or Deputy
1 Doctor or Nurse
5 Townies


Version 3
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker

1 Cop or Doctor
1 Deputy or Nurse
5 Townies


Mafia Goon, This is the basic VT(Vanilla Townie) for the mafia side. They usually do most of the killing.

Mafia Roleblocker, They have the ability to send in Roleblock: TigerWoods and they can stop them from doing anything if they have a PR.

Both of the mafia members have the ability to send the Night Kill by sending the command Kill: Tandora

Town Cop, They have the ability to investigate people and see if they are Innocent or Guilty. Innocent = Town. Guilty = Mafia. The command for this is Investigate: Ryker.

Town Doctor, They have the ability to protect people from the Night Kill. The command is Protect: Gheb_01. If the mafia choose to target the person that gets protected, there will be no kill during the night and no one will die.

Town Deputy, They are a back-up role. If the cop were to ever die, they would gain the cops abilities of investigations. Otherwise they are a normal Vanilla Townie till then.

Town Nurse, They are a back up role. If the doc were to ever die, they would gain the doc's abilities to protect people. Otherwise they are a normal Vanilla Townie till then.

Town Vanilla (VT), They are a just a normal role. They have no special power besides the power of their voice and the power of their vote.[/collapse]
 

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Seikend replaces Pheonix561! Welcome him to the game.

No deadline extension will be given however!
 

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1.) Acrostic ()
2.) SangfroidWarrior ()
3.) Panta ()
4.) Seikend (4) Gargaglione, BPC, Werekill, Acrostic
5.) gargaglione ()
6.) Budget Player Cadet_ (1) Panta
7.) Werekill (2) SW, Zen
8.) Zen ()
9.) th3kuzinator ()
Not voting - Seikend, Kuz

With 9 playing, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is July 25th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).
 

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Yeah, really. Unless he comes in and changes everyone's mind within the next few hours, Kuz is gonna get back to vote him before he can defend himself.
 

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Seikend are you a PR?
How well have you kept up with the current thread?
What are your reads so far?
 

Seikend

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Hey guys, I'm Seikend, here to replace Phoenix. I see we're short on time so I'll be giving you a quick bit of background on me and then I'll be going straight to business.

This is my first time replacing into a game, but I have played other games before. I've completed 2 solo games and hydra-d 3 times (although one time we were modkilled, and the other two I was carried by my partner). I'm fairly experienced I guess, but I still consider myself a newbie.

I've kind of been keeping up with this game, but I've been skimming it, not really been reading it properly. I shall do soon. Will quickly address a couple of points, ask some questions that come to mind and will be open to your questions.

First, Sangfroid Warrior. The lie was ugly and offputting, but honestly she looked more like dazed and lost town than scum caught in a lie. And besides that part of her play, she's looked fine in my eyes. I would not support an SW wagon toDay.

The wagon on my slot is as ugly as hell. The complete lack of info and links gained from my lynch is offputting enough, and I don't think anyone has put forward any reason for me being scum besides inactivity. At a deadline, sure, it's a viable lynch. But maan, you guys have had time before to look elsewhere. I'll be reading up on the forming of my wagon and seeing what I get from it.

I'll post my scumpicks soon with reasoning. Just gotta re-read first and remind myself of things. Cannot for the life of me remember what I was gonna ask people.
 

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Would you have lynched Pheonix today?
Why should you not be lynched?
Who do you think should be lynched?
Who do you think should be not be lynched?
 

SangfroidWarrior

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Acro, chill. Let the dude catch up. I'm sure he'll answer his questions as soon as he finishes, and I'm sure that he won't delay.
 

Seikend

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Ehhh... Seikend, I may have some bad news for you...
Haha, bad slot to replace in, I know. But it's better than a slot doing nothing at all.

Yeah, really. Unless he comes in and changes everyone's mind within the next few hours, Kuz is gonna get back to vote him before he can defend himself.
It is time to make...

DA MAGIKS.

Seikend are you a PR?
How well have you kept up with the current thread?
What are your reads so far?
I won't reveal that yet. I'm gonna try and move the wagon without having to out any information I need to. Will claim as a last resort.

Skimmed it.

Will get to this.

Would you have lynched Pheonix today?
Why should you not be lynched?
Who do you think should be lynched?
Who do you think should be not be lynched?
Over a No Lynch, yes. Otherwise, No.

Because I'll convince you your vote is placed elsewhere... soon. Hopefully in the next couple of hours.

iirc WK, Panta and Zen looked scummy. Will answer this properly later.

SW, Kuz and I've got a gutread on Gargalione.


Give me some time guys and I'll have everything you'll need. Stances, questions and reasoning for scumpicks.
 

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Alright, just saying, we only have 6 1/2 hours left. We need to make a lynch. Does a wagon on me really seem all that likely? Especially since Panta isn't here to change his vote and neither really is Garg. So, really, you were going to lynch Pheonix just because he was an inactive? Way to go. That just makes me all the more suspicious of you.
 

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... Huh? I've constantly said that I wanted to lynch Pheonix solely on the basis that he was massively inactive. How is it suddenly suspicious when I've been saying it the entire time?
 

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It's not "suddenly suspicious." I've said for a while that I dislike voting for an inactive. In fact, it's not even just you. Anybody that is/was voting for Pheonix on the sole basis that he is inactive is scummy to me. I just figured that you had found other reasons to vote for him, being as you kept going back. I guess not.
 

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claimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaim

for ****ing sake I have to leave in 3 minutes and i wont be back


claimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaim
 

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like seriously if you don't claim RIGHT now i wont have time to do anything.

we have 6 hours, NOT the time to be witholding claims.
 

Seikend

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Okay, going through the thread.

Still cool with Gargaglione as town. Sure, he was being pri silly to begin with but when he did say relevant things, they were good.

Some of Shadow Moth's early posts are really bleh. So flip floppy and non-commital.

Cool with early BPC too.

Eh, Panta doesn't look as bad as I thought. His case on BPC was ugly but nothing else is particularly noteable. Howeverrr, nothing is notably good either. Pretty much a non-presence. Earned my suspicions, but not a priority.

Acrostic definetely an improvement over SM. Some bleh things, but not a priority either.

WK's push on SW is really bleh, seems so non-comittal in the way he's carrying out, but he's been sticking with it so hard. Like, I don't remember any of his other stances.

Non-presences always suck.

If you were mafia and put at L-1 would you attack the swing vote in that manner? As scum he would be trying to appease me but as town he might try and hold onto the scumKuz read in an attempt to get me lynched after his flip. Do you disagree with this?
Bleh.

As scum, wouldn't suddenly flipping your stance from ScumKuz to TownKuz when they hold the hammer look horribly artificial and suspiciously co-incidental? There's no natural way WK could have changed his stance on Kuz over a few posts. Could not care less for this reason for WK town and I'm not seeing anything else that shows WK to be town.




Now things get interesting. The Phoenix wagon. First off:

I don't understand why so many people are worried about Pheonix being in LYLO. We're not even close to that. He'll be replaced before he even gets in there.
Ding Ding Ding!

SW is right. Inactivity as the reason for a lynch on D1 is just silly. You're relying on chance that they are scum, and odds are they aren't. If they are, great, you got lucky. If they flip town, in D2 you've got the same amount of information as D1, but with one less townie.

Unvote, Vote: Phoenix

Werekill seems to be somewhat innocent, we have no reads, and lynching Phoenix will provide us with some information, plus he's ****ing useless at this point. The deadline is tomorrow and we have nothing to go on.
@BPC: What is this information you'd get on my flip? Where would you look on my town and scum flip?


Honestly? We won't get too many reads on other people, unless he flips scum. If he's scum, anyone who didn't want him lynched is gonna look worse, but it really won't be enough to base a lynch over.

I really just want to get rid of him so that we don't have him as a liability in LYLO.
Right. So it's policy. In other words, if he's town or scum it doesn't matter because either way he is hurting reads by being non-involved.

Bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh.

Werekill the Pheonix wagon is complete BS. I don't like the way people are hopping on him for very little reason at all other than his inactivity. If he goes completely inactive then he will be replaced.

bpc and Kooz have yet to explain their reasoning for getting on that all the sudden.
Thumbs up. Zen's non presence early on really got to me, but his push on SW looked genuine and I like the above post.


Then there's the "scumslip" from SW. SW remains town, but I don't think anyone looks particularly bad for pushing her there.

Pretty much caught up. Question time!


Don't really like the recent posts by BPC either.
@Kuz: Why?

Do you have any reasoning for WK town besides the hammer vote point?


@Acrostic: You seem to be a bit all over the place recently. Why? Who would you be fine with lynching toDay?

@Mod: replacing the nost likely lynch right before deadline? Not cool.
@WereKill: What do you mean by this? I don't think I understand.

A SW lynch is not viable now. Too many people have her as town. You can keep pushing it all you like in D2, but toDay? Not happening. If your only issue with me is my inactivity, and my slot is now going to be active for the rest of the game, where are you going to look now?

Remind me of your read on Panta, Zen and BPC please.

@Panta Do you feel a BPC lynch could happen toDay?

If so, convince us.

If not, move your vote somewhere useful. Who's most likely scum between myself, WK and SW? Why?

@Gargalione Where you at?

I would favour a WK lynch toDay. At a stretch I'd take Panta and Acrostic over a No Lynch. Everyone else is good for toDay.
 

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Deadline is at 5am for me. Odds are I won't be awake then. Will stay up for as long as reasonable though.

Vote: Werekill
 

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That's 3 people on werekill. If you really think Seikend is scum because of Pheonix keep you're vote there. Otherwise, we need to find a lynch, and soon.

@Acro, Panta, Garg, Cadet, and Kuz: out of Werekill, myself, and Seikend, who do you think is scummiest, and vote soon. We have so little time left.

@Kuzi: Can you not get on your phone or other mobile device that has internet at all any time soon?
 

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11:30pm. Hoping to be up for at least an hour more, but I'm pretty tired already. We'lll see.
 

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WK's push on SW is really bleh, seems so non-comittal in the way he's carrying out, but he's been sticking with it so hard. Like, I don't remember any of his other stances.
I've been pretty consistently saying that I don't like SW, Panta, and Kuz. In that order. I don't see why you can't remember any of my other stances.

As scum, wouldn't suddenly flipping your stance from ScumKuz to TownKuz when they hold the hammer look horribly artificial and suspiciously co-incidental? There's no natural way WK could have changed his stance on Kuz over a few posts. Could not care less for this reason for WK town and I'm not seeing anything else that shows WK to be town.
I believe that I had actually already said that I didn't like Kuz too much, but feel free to prove me wrong. I didn't like how he kept asking a bunch of questions, and he was playing similar to scum from another game.

@WereKill: What do you mean by this? I don't think I understand.

A SW lynch is not viable now. Too many people have her as town. You can keep pushing it all you like in D2, but toDay? Not happening. If your only issue with me is my inactivity, and my slot is now going to be active for the rest of the game, where are you going to look now?

Remind me of your read on Panta, Zen and BPC please.
What? How can you not understand that I didn't like the fact that the mod replaced someone at L-1 only a few hours from the deadline? It just throws the whole game out of wack, imo, and makes us scramble to do anything.

I don't have a problem with your slot's inactivity NOW, hence I'm not voting for you. I just don't like how the mods are doing this game, especially without the extension.

Anyway, I don't like Panta because of his misconstrued arguments and the fact that he came out of nowhere for his BPC thing with no real reasons behind it.

I don't like how Zen keeps flip-flopping around like crazy. It feels like he's trying to please everyone by looking like he's doing a ton of scumhunting. Or at least, that's what my gut's telling me.

BPC is a solid null. He seems to hop on the most popular wagons, but other than that, we haven't seen much.

@Acro, Panta, Garg, Cadet, and Kuz: out of Werekill, myself, and Seikend, who do you think is scummiest, and vote soon. We have so little time left.
I honestly have no problem with Seikend right now, so he's out. I'm myself, so I don't feel like voting again when it's possible to get someone else, so that just leaves you.

But really, I only find you barely scummy enough for a lynch, and the connections that your lynch would reveal would be quite useful.
 

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I'm not hopping on a Werekill wagon for today. I am also not going to lynch SangfroidWarrior. Both come across as town to me for today. I skimmed through the recent comments and will give responses. However there is little to no impetus for me to lynch either one of my town reads for today. With Seikend replacing in, I will consider a BPC lynch.
 

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So who do you think we should vote for? Because it better be something understandable because we don't have enough time to convince people now.
 

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I don't think it'd be good for us to have a no-lynch, because then we're down 1 town because of the mafia during the night, and then all we have is who is actually town. Do we get a flip when the mafia kills someone? And, yeah. Thanks. Fail on my part.
 
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