Newbie 13: Organization XIII Mafia ~Town Wins!~

[Lore]

Because you're still the scummiest from the day.

Ok, whatever.

Vote: Sang

I think I'm set with this. Kooz please join me :O

... Make up your mind. >_<

Unvote, Vote: Sang

Regardless, thank you. I appreciate it. And I know you still don't believe me. I can't really do anything more to convince you, can I?

Honestly, no. I find your "story" to be suspicious, and I think that you've been slightly scummy the whole Day. Besides, a lynch of you will give us a good luck at your connections between Kuz and maybe some other players.

I don't know why, but it just seems like you two have been pretty closely together for the whole game. A flip would shed some light on this.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

A lynch of me would also be pretty stupid.

 

[Lore]

Werekill. I haven't done a thorough read as I am still around the end of going through BPC. However it seems like your entire behavior D1 is oriented around self-survival. When I skimmed it seems like you coasted when the noose was off your neck. Also your choice of people to lynch seems more oriented by self-defense and self-survival then being based around tells or process of elimination. I find this behavior contradictory to Kooz's town tell on you given your self-vote and previous behavior.

Coasting? I'm busy and training for a huge competition while I'm at the OTC. I think I have an excuse, haha.

And how is a Phoenix or SW vote for self-survival? I've given plenty of reasoning for both of them, and any other picks have been the same.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Zen. I agree with Werekill. You're giving me whiplash. One second, I'm hoping that you might actually be believing me and the next those hopes are shot down.

 

[Lore]

A lynch of me would also be pretty stupid.

Once again: I find you slightly scummy and you would give us info on connections. That's enough reason, I guess, even if you flip town.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

...I think you missed my point, but I could see what you mean.

Between me and Pheonix, if you take away any personal biases, who do you think is the scummiest?

 

[Xivii]

It's a very conflicting situation. Right now I'm leaning that you're just a very good scum player, Sang.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Coasting? I'm busy and training for a huge competition while I'm at the OTC. I think I have an excuse, haha.

Okay. I don't know what OTC is, however I felt that your bursts of activity coincided conditionally with you being lynched.

And how is a Phoenix or SW vote for self-survival? I've given plenty of reasoning for both of them, and any other picks have been the same.

The statement is largely based off your comment from #643 when you state that you won't switch votes until you feel the SW lynch is going to look substantial.

And good point. I'm sticking on it [Pheonix], though, until there's actually a chance of a wagon switch. By the way, there's also a chance that he will be modkilled instead of replaced.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Understood. And me telling you I couldn't lie my way out of a paper bag would mean nothing XD But, I would think that this last situation would make you see that. Unfortunately, that's only if you believe me on that, which would make this entire argument null.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I want everyone to weigh in on whether they think SangfordWarrior's lie constitutes a definitive scum tell or not in lieu of what has happened so far in this game. Kooz I am also interested in whether this has compromised your town read on Sangford.

 

[Gova]

1.) Acrostic ()
2.) SangfroidWarrior (2) Werekill, Zen
3.) Panta ()
4.) pheonix561 (2) Gargaglione, BPC
5.) gargaglione ()
6.) Budget Player Cadet_ (1) Panta
7.) Werekill (1) SangfroidWarrior,
8.) Zen ()
9.) th3kuzinator ()
Not voting - Acrostic, phoenix, Kuz

With 9 playing, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is July 25th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Ugh... I'm gonna Unvote for the moment.

 

[Xivii]

How come?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Because I'm stuck. I want to see more from Pheonix but I feel that he might be scum. Also, I kind of think that Werekill might be town but I don't really trust him... like, at all. And there's no other place I feel comfortable to really place my vote at the moment besides myself and I, for sure, am not going to do that.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

The following is my impression of #597 to recent:

Zen initiates discussion on #598 asking Sang how he knew about day communication with regards to Sang's #257. I'm assuming that this question came from my comment regarding Panta's #294 (Post #597) which could be taken as a dumb tell:

Also, for the record, how do scum communicate with each other? Is it a quick topic or through moderated pms? Or something else entirely?

But, being as they can talk outside of the thread to each other whenever, I'm not so sure.

In essence I wanted to ask Were, "Do you think that Panta telling us he doesn't know how scum communicates can clear him from being scum, as scum would know what forms of communication are available." This was based off Were having a scum read on Panta.

I believe Zen took that premise and posed the following: If someone knows how scum communicates who is playing for the first time, how would they know unless they are scum?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

#605: Sangfroid tells us she thought she gave us an explanation that she got on mafiascum or it might have been J.

Q: Sangfroid were you faking confusion as well?

#609: Sangfroid claims that she had an initial conversation with J regarding the game and whether mafia can communicate during the night Is afraid of breaking the rules, therefore she checked mafiascum.

Q: Why were you curious about mafia night communication?

#613: Does this make me scummy?

Q: At that point did you think you were scummy?

Q: Why did you admit to lying after committing four posts into it?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

For now: Unvote, vote: SangfroidWarrior

Sangfroid I really want responses asap.

 

[Lore]

Okay. I don't know what OTC is, however I felt that your bursts of activity coincided conditionally with you being lynched.

The statement is largely based off your comment from #643 when you state that you won't switch votes until you feel the SW lynch is going to look substantial.

I've already said that I was at the Olympic Training Center, so I shortened it.

And whaaa? How is saying that I'll go for one more than the other but won't vote unless a wagon is going self-preserving in any way? I don't don't get what you're saying here.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I've already said that I was at the Olympic Training Center, so I shortened it.

Okay.

And whaaa? How is saying that I'll go for one more than the other but won't vote unless a wagon is going self-preserving in any way? I don't don't get what you're saying here.

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1.) Acrostic ()
2.) SangfroidWarrior ()
3.) Panta ()
4.) pheonix561 (3) Gargaglione, Werekill, BPC
5.) gargaglione ()
6.) Budget Player Cadet_ (1) Panta
7.) Werekill (2) SangfroidWarrior, Zen
8.) Zen ()
9.) th3kuzinator ()
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Given circumstances, pheonix561 is likely to be lynched. Especially after th3kuzinator said he would hammer around the deadline indicating that you would live.
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1.) Acrostic ()
2.) SangfroidWarrior (1) Werekill
3.) Panta ()
4.) pheonix561 (2) Gargaglione, BPC
5.) gargaglione ()
6.) Budget Player Cadet_ (1) Panta
7.) Werekill (2) SangfroidWarrior, Zen
8.) Zen ()
9.) th3kuzinator ()
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Given circumstances, pheonix561 or you could be lynched. Lynched dependent on me, pheonix, and th3kuzinator. Zen moved his vote back on you. Defensive vote change back on pheonix561 resulting in the above situation again.
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[#HBC | Acrostic]

@mod: Requesting vote recount please. Double Werekill entries on both SangfroidWarrior and pheonix561.

1.) Acrostic ()
2.) SangfroidWarrior (2) Werekill, Zen
3.) Panta ()
4.) pheonix561 (3) Gargaglione, Werekill, BPC
5.) gargaglione ()
6.) Budget Player Cadet_ (1) Panta
7.) Werekill (1) SangfroidWarrior,
8.) Zen ()
9.) th3kuzinator ()
Not voting - Acrostic, phoenix, Kuz

With 9 playing, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is July 25th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

1.) Acrostic ()
2.) SangfroidWarrior (3) Werekill, Zen, Acrotic
3.) Panta ()
4.) pheonix561 (2) Gargaglione, BPC
5.) gargaglione ()
6.) Budget Player Cadet_ (1) Panta
7.) Werekill ()
8.) Zen ()
9.) th3kuzinator ()
Not voting - SangfroidWarrior, phoenix, Kuz

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Yeah, sorry. I was busy.

1)I was slightly faking confusion, but I could have sworn that one of my other friends (she's not on SWF) told me that MS allowed day-talking between mafia not but... what was it, two days ago? It was offhandedly and by that time I knew that on Dgames they could, so I thought nothing of it. And then I went to check during that post I was making and it said it doesn't.

2)I was curious about mafia day communication. It was after the werekill/pheonix debacle. Kuzi and I had a discussion about how, if one flipped scum, the other may or may not be scum as well and while I was talking that through with myself (3 posts if you look back) that's when I asked J because I was... confused, to say the least.

3)I figured that, because of my being stupid, yes, it would be seen as scummy and therefore people would think I was/am scum. And I was right. I know I'm not scum, but I know that those posts seemed entirely scummy, so I can't blame anyone for thinking that.

4)Because I realized the holes in my arguments and I felt bad for lying. It was such a stupid lie to begin with, for such a stupid reason. And then I knew I would get asked a whole bunch of questions and I already felt bad and I knew I would fail miserably if I tried to answer those questions with my lie so I just decided to come clean instead of falling into a bigger pit. I also figured that J probably wouldn't get in trouble (once I decided to calm down and think).

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

For the second one, I could reference you back if you wish instead of going back yourself.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

No I'm good. I think I have that section bookmarked into my brain. One more question. Does mafia have day communication?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Yes, they do. That was the reason for me asking in the first place. I knew they had some form of night communication but I wasn't sure about day. IRL they, obviously, can't have a day communication

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Okay. I have mixed feelings, but still don't think you are the best lynch for today.

Unvote: SangfroidWarrior

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Hopefully I can convince you that I'm not the best vote for any day, but I don't see how it's going to be possible. At least, even if I pay for this, I'm gonna learn from it: Don't lie for some stupid *** reason.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Zen thoughts on #701? Going to do an isolated reading of Werekill. Might not finish tonight.

Vote: Werekill

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

And whaaa? How is saying that I'll go for one more than the other but won't vote unless a wagon is going self-preserving in any way? I don't don't get what you're saying here.

Werekill is this your first mafia game?

 

[Xivii]

@Acrostic: It's a townie posts, like most of her posts have been. I'd like to hear others' thoughts on Sang.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Werekill question, have you read or considered anything I've said regarding Pantas|Sangfroidwarrior? I really want feedback from you on Pantas. Same with Zen.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

@Acrostic: It's a townie posts, like most of her posts have been. I'd like to hear others' thoughts on Sang.

Same. Thanks. Okay. TRYING TO RE-READ NOW. :[

 

[Gova]

1.) Acrostic ()
2.) SangfroidWarrior (2) Werekill, Zen
3.) Panta ()
4.) pheonix561 (2) Gargaglione, BPC
5.) gargaglione ()
6.) Budget Player Cadet_ (1) Panta
7.) Werekill (1) Acrostic
8.) Zen ()
9.) th3kuzinator ()
Not voting - SangfroidWarrior, phoenix, Kuz

With 9 playing, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is July 25th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[Lore]

Werekill is this your first mafia game?

No? And what does that have to do with anything?

All I'm saying is that I those 2 votes weren't self-preserving. I originally voted for Phoenix because I thought that lynching an inactive would be useful, and when there was a chance to get a wagon going on a player who I had been saying was scummy all Day, I jumped on it.

After Zen flip-flopped, I went back to the Phoenix vote because I didn't see much chance any more for an SW lynch. When he changed again, I went back to SW.

Here's my question: how is any of that self-preserving? If I hadn't switched to SW, Pheonix's lynch was assured, and I was decently safe. If anything, I made my own situation worse.

Anyway, to satisfy you, I'll say that I don't like Panta, as I've said a ton of times before. I don't like how he misread a lot of stuff, just like I'm believing that you're doing now.

Zen is flip-flopping around a lot, which is suspicious but not scummy by itself. Solid null.

On another note, where the hell is everyone? We're missing Garg, Kuz, Pheonix, BPC, and Panta.

 

[Lore]

@Mod: How many prods have been sent out? This is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

It's one every 48 hours. Panta said that he was probably not going to be here today or tomorrow (sun and mon) in UPick. Pheonix has only need 1 so far. Everyone else has posted at least once within the last 48 hours. You can't go killing everyone that might not be so active.

 

[Lore]

I wasn't saying that we should kill anyone who's inactive at all. I just find it ridiculous that people are so inactive this close to the deadline.

 

[Lore]

Pheonix, however, can still go die. He's inactive in general; not just for short times.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

To #716: true true. my earlier post was a little uncalled for and I apologize.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I re-read. I don't understand why th3kuzinator was more willing to give a pass to SangfroidWarrior and is giving a stiff shoulder to Werekill early-game. Namely the discrepancy in treatment between Sangfroid's lynch on gargarlione and Werekill's argument that he was reaction testing. It seems his disposition changed at L-1. Also I don't see how scum benefits from claiming Vanilla Townie. I would expect a soft|hard PR claim from scum in order to save themselves. Either way I have to say that Werekill has been the most proactive and provocative player this game.

Unvote: Werekill

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Werekill the Pheonix wagon is complete BS. I don't like the way people are hopping on him for very little reason at all other than his inactivity. If he goes completely inactive then he will be replaced.

bpc and Kooz have yet to explain their reasoning for getting on that all the sudden.

Because we needed a D1 lynch, time was running out, and Phoenix has yet to do, well, anything of value.

I want everyone to weigh in on whether they think SangfordWarrior's lie constitutes a definitive scum tell or not in lieu of what has happened so far in this game. Kooz I am also interested in whether this has compromised your town read on Sangford.

I don't think so. Yeah, lying in mafia without a damn good reason is stupid, but I honestly think this one is just a noob mistake. After all it is Sang's first mafia game.

Side note: Zen seems to be getting kinda buddy-buddy with a few players and flip-flopping. I'll reread that again.

At this point, we need to choose a wagon and stick with it, no matter what wagon. I'm not going to play cute here; a D1 lynch is ****ing essential. It gives us a good idea of who's who, and ensures that the scum doesn't have complete control over the information... Let's say we lynch player X, and he flips town. This may incriminate or help several people. At the same time, said player X could just as easily flip scum. However, the mafia doesn't have such randomness; they know who to target and kill: whoever will help their cause the most. Without a day one lynch, we're flying blind.

I'd appreciate a claim from SW and Phoenix. My vote stays on Phoenix because, again, he's useless. I advise the rest of you to choose a candidate and stick with them. We need a lynch of someone who is at least somewhat suspicious/connected, unless they're PR'd.