Newbie 13: Organization XIII Mafia ~Town Wins!~

[Xivii]

Kooz, thoughts?

 

[Gova]

1.) Shadow Moth ()
2.) SangfroidWarrior (1) SM
3.) Panta ()
4.) pheonix561 (3) Zen, Gargaglione, Werekill
5.) gargaglione ()
6.) Budget Player Cadet_ (1) Panta
7.) Werekill (2) SangfroidWarrior, BPC
8.) Zen ()
9.) th3kuzinator ()
Not voting - phoenix, Kuz

With 9 playing, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is July 24th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[Lore]

In an airport, using my Kindle. I'll be inactive all day today, so don't expecto see any of my reads. i still stand by my phoenix vote for the sole reason that he is inactive. I'd rather do it today when we can actually afford to lynch inactives.

 

[Lore]

@mod: miscount on my total votes I think.

 

[#HBC | J]

Acrostic replaced Shadow Moth effective immediately.

The deadline will be extended 24 hours.

New deadline is 7/25/11 11:59pm

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Thank you. I'll try to catch up and offer input before the day ends.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I feel a bit awkward as this is the first time I've replaced in late into a game. A quick about me: This is my third game of mafia on this site. I played my first game around seven months ago in a similar format to this one. I played a large game a little afterwards, but I died N1. I played one game of mafia two months ago on another site. But I died N1 again. Therefore I still consider myself a "newbie" when it comes to mafia.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Cool. Good to have you. Good luck catching up.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Kuzi, Cadet. So, between werekill and phoenix, after Zen's arguments, whom do you think is the scummiest? Because, at the moment, I think us three are the only ones aiming for a werekill lynch.

@Garg, Werekill. We've heard from Zen about why he wants to lynch Phoenix, and I understand both of you want to get rid of an inactive, but what are your other reasons? Because inactiveness isn't really enough to lynch somebody. Because, if I remember, Phoenix did post a little bit of content with his post saying that he forgot about the game.

@Zen. I didn't say you had forgotten about the game. I just stated that you had had other games to post on.

@Acro. After you read up a bit, would you mind giving me your thoughts on the players you think are town and mafia?

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Prefix: I am drunk. Like, really, really drunk.

Why are we trying to lynch Phoenix again? I still don't get it.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Unvote, Vote: SangfroidWarrior

Horrible D1 lynch pick.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And now the question I'm sure we're all asking ourselves is

why?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Sangfroid Warrior struck me as an early town read.

• Early rhetoric in posts #131 and #136 indicate that she seems sincere about being a strong conscientious type of player.

• Mentality in posts #120, #140, and #151 indicate that she is keeping to a style of play that Gargaglione equated to being a scum tell. However discrepancy in style of play =/= scum alignment and I don't feel see her coming across as being defensive.

• Gets fossed by Panta in #193 about not scumhunting when she had been actively questioning people and trying to form reads. Defends herself without counter-fossing and addresses the points appropriately. #210 more or less sums up the fact that she is sticking to her play style despite being fossed by both Panta and Gargagalione for not pushing early votes. Fmpov early votes are used to generate pressure to make people post content. Ironically insisting on NOT pushing an early vote had the same effect.

• I believe that scum in this setup wouldn't be eager to push like Sangfroid did in early game. Given that town has two ml's and a cop, it seems like optimal D1 play for scum would be to lurk and hope that town mislynches on the first day. Then hope that they can hide among the inactives if there is a cop and hope they are not checked. Sangfroid's early play makes me think that she would likely be checked or lynched. Two outcomes that scum do not want in this setup.

This is up to Page 5. Still reading~

 

[th3kuzinator]

Ah I see.

So I know you're probably gonna facepalm, but you voted the person you're defending.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

SangfroidWarrior to me based on early D1 is more likely town than ballsy scum and shouldn't be a D1 lynched. "Horrible D1 lynch pick" was my immediate thought when I checked back and saw that SM's vote was still on SW.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Or maybe that was your actual intention?

I don't know I'm honestly at a loss wrt 531

 

[th3kuzinator]

I think you're either mixing up player names or you're forgetting which slot you're replacing into because I can't make heads or tails of what you're saying.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Wait. I could have sworn that's how you unvote. BPC did it earlier IIRC.

2.) To unvote, use the command unvote. For example, Unvote, Vote: WashedLaundry

 

[th3kuzinator]

Your slot's vote was already on Sang so you unvoted and put your vote back on Sang while saying she is probably town.

Am I missing something here?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Your slot's vote was already on Sang so you unvoted and put your vote back on Sang while saying she is probably town. Am I missing something here?

Oops. I just meant to unvote. Unvote: SangfroidWarrior

 

[th3kuzinator]

Alright, just wanted to make sure I hadn't gone crazy.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Did I do it correctly this time?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Fantasti c

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

th3kuzinator is Zen reading town or scum to you for today? I'm assuming that you've been trying to get an early read on him. Am curious what the results were or at least what you think at the moment.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Prefix: I am drunk. Like, really, really drunk.

Why are we trying to lynch Phoenix again? I still don't get it.

Truthfully, I don't really either, and I'm not even drunk. Apparently, he seems scummy in some of what he does. Read some of Zen's recent posts and you might understand it.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Prefix: I am drunk. Like, really, really drunk. Why are we trying to lynch Phoenix again? I still don't get it.

He hasn't written much, five whopping posts my good sirs. I'm only on Page 10 and all I've noticed are basic content posts and a vote on SangfroidWarrior. He wanted to apply pressure on SW IIRC and nothing came out of that. He left us with an indecisive post with #354. It could be due to this mentality of D1:

Everyone has played enough to know there isn't much of anything you can do on the very first day, because there's very little evidence to go off of aside from exchanges of pleasantries.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Truthfully, I don't really either, and I'm not even drunk. Apparently, he seems scummy in some of what he does. Read some of Zen's recent posts and you might understand it.

From what I read, this is a policy lynch. The initial bandwagon was on Werekill, however Kuz explained that Werekill likely wouldn't lash out and act the way he did if he were scum. I think that Zen agreed with Kuz's logic or sheeped his argument and decided to redirect the lynch on someone who hasn't been active throughout the course of this game. Zen did pose the caveat that if Kuz thought that Werekill was legitimately scum then he would reconsider.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Kooz, if you think that Werekill is town based on his reactions to the L-1 bandwagon, then who else would you prefer being lynched today? Do you think that Werekill bandwagoning Zen on the Pheonix lynch is a scum tell or are you sticking to his L-1 reaction a couple of days ago? I feel that Werekill is coasting again, however as Zen said, he has been more useful in providing commentary than Pheonix.

I never forgot about this game, I simply didn't post here. Pheonix again set up an excuse for being inactive. Which I don't buy.

I think that he legitimately doesn't care about this game which makes me want to lynch him out of policy. However we're going to be screwed over if he ends up being a PR. I'm going to hold off on voting until he posts something. We rushed a lynch previously on scumhunt and ended up lynching the watcher D1. The tracker had outed so he died N1 leaving us in a game with no clears. I don't really want that this game.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Acro. Ah, I get it I guess. But, mostly the point I was making is that I don't really understand why everyone thinks Phoenix is so scummy other than a few of his posts and lack of really being here.

Also, I'm not sure if Kuz is just assuming that werekill wouldn't act that way as scum because this is a newbie game or because he really feels that way. But I feel that scum would act that way just to take suspicion off of them.

Plus, I really thought the point was to be trying to kill the mafia. Not lynching people just to get information on alliances. Have I been doing it wrong?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Okay, I've just realized I've been spelling Pheonix's name wrong all along. I sincerely swore that it was Phoenix 'cause that's the way it's supposed to be spelled.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Mod. Can we get a prod for Pheonix?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

@Acro. Ah, I get it I guess. But, mostly the point I was making is that I don't really understand why everyone thinks Phoenix is so scummy other than a few of his posts and lack of really being here.

I mentioned this in my #533: It is how I think scum might approach this setup conscientiously if they were considering setup mechanics. Zen considers Pheonix to be intentionally lurking. I think Pheonix just lost interest. Both contentions are legitimate reasons to lynch when town has an ml available. If Pheonix is town, then there isn't much he has posted for us to form accurate reads. It is usually better to get such players out of the way because they are uninformed and don't contribute to actually helping town. Factors that allow scum to either frame them as scum in the game when it is decisive or allowing them to make the decisive vote between town and scum.

Sorry here is my #533, lmao:

• I believe that scum in this setup wouldn't be eager to push like Sangfroid did in early game. Given that town has two ml's and a cop, it seems like optimal D1 play for scum would be to lurk and hope that town mislynches on the first day. Then hope that they can hide among the inactives if there is a cop and hope they are not checked. Sangfroid's early play makes me think that she would likely be checked or lynched. Two outcomes that scum do not want in this setup.

 

[th3kuzinator]

If you were mafia and put at L-1 would you attack the swing vote in that manner? As scum he would be trying to appease me but as town he might try and hold onto the scumKuz read in an attempt to get me lynched after his flip. Do you disagree with this?

Curious as to Acrostic's view on which path we should take assuming he's call caught up.

As for the Zen question, I am trying to read him yes, but it tougher to read him than most other players especially without any flips yet. Right now he sits with a big fat null on the slot but if I end up dead toNight be especially wary of him.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I don't know what makes you think Sang's early play looks like she would be lynched for it.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Early play she stuck out to me and got into early skirmishes with Gargaglione and Panta. She seemed to try to figure things out mid-game, for example when you were discussing Werekill|Pheonix on the Sangfroid lynch and the possibility that they could each be of different alignment. I personally don't know why you skipped out SM out of that grouping. IIRC it was SM|Werekill|Pheonix on that lynch. I can try to answer questions that you addressed to SM to the best of my ability, but I really don't know what was going through his mind. :alakazam:

 

[th3kuzinator]

Just because SM was on the wagon doesn't mean he was involved in the interaction that I was talking about.

Again, that doesn't really answer how her early play reminded you of something you thought she'd get lynched for. It also doesn't answer where you think the lynch should be going toDay.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Kuzi. I think I get it...

Curious as to Acrostic's view on which path we should take assuming he's call caught up.

I'm curious too. If you are all caught up, Acro, care to enlighten us on what you think we should do?

 

[Xivii]

Kooz

 

[th3kuzinator]

It's okay if you don't, its just something I wouldn't expect Werekill to do as scum. You'll learn to pick up these things as you play more. Always try to look at intent behind things.

I'm still very much okay with a Werekill lynch. The kid is shown one way out of his lynch and he jumps at it without even explaining his reasoning. I told him that if we didn't lynch him we'd lynch for scum and that he should put in some work and he literally just jumps on the nearest bandwagon without doing squat.

At the same time Phoenix is completely useless and his lynch would be no skin off my nose. The thing that bothers me about his slot is that he constantly forgets to check the thread and he never formats anything correctly and pretty much just seems clueless about everything. I think he would be better informed if he had a partner. We also don't get very much info from his flip.

 

[#HBC | J]

Pheonix561 has recieved a Prod.