New way to render planking substantially less effective (that better?)

[1048576]

Food on low.

All this would do is prevent someone from running out the clock on the edge (unless they have a stock lead.) I think this benefit balances out the miniscule adverse effects (random healing upwards of like 8%)

Thoughts?

 

[momochuu]

Lmao, is this serious or not? O_o

 

[SothE700k]

The suggestion to items on automatically makes this thread a failure.

Nice try. NEXT?

 

[Brinzy]

At least it's something to think about.

 

[ScubaF_ingSteve]

lulwut?

10lulzwuts?

 

[POKE40]

0.0

I see it now... fighting for food...
very good players would get it all the food items though. rather than the less very good players. lol

dunno... will peach be able to pull items out then ( can she pull items such as bomb boms out w/ no items on?)...if so probably food wouldn't be such as great idea... but it does make you think...

 

[ZesuBen]

I can see it, but... I get this feeling that it wouldn't work for a lot of matchups. Some characters just couldn't get to the food fast enough anyway, and some people have that much of a lead with that little amount of time...

I don't think it'll work, but it's still a good idea. :o

 

[GofG]

9/10, would rage again.

 

[Turbo Ether]

I like the idea.

 

[CR4SH]

Lol, random sonic buffs.

 

[cj.Shark]

Lol, random sonic buffs.

sonic's dash attack doesnt go over items remember?

 

[colored blind]

...Do you even know what a soft-ban is? Because you definitely didn't use the term correctly.

 

[Tristan_win]

NO

10****ingno's

 

[Peachkid]

oh

Spoiler

i rofld at this.

 

[petre]

for some reason think this wouldn't work.

if you are serious, one big problem is that if the person planking has a ~100% advantage, you're not going to be getting enough food to balance that out before the clock runs out.

 

[cykofox]

*** wat these nikkas say. sounds like a plan. ima do this at ma tournamants.

 

[ShadoFiend]

Lol.

But anyway I'll have to disagree with this. Stalling is a strategic part of the game. I have had to rely on it once and I won't lie about it. It was vs an Icees and the finals of a tournament. All they did was infinite and kill you and the time was low. I was in the lead. Instead of rushing in like an idiot I let those last 12 seconds roll off the clock getting me the win. Is it cheap? I guess you could say so. Is it effective? Yes, very.

And what makes you think a player won't just keep running the whole match collecting these food items to lower their health and avoiding the fight all together? That just causes another way of stalling.

 

[GofG]

Holy **** so many people feeding the troll.

 

[Dragoomba]

I appreciate your thoughtfulness on this, but the metagame would then turn into grab the food item when it appears for other matchups.

 

[streetracr77]

This thread is a fail. Now let's move on.

 

[Vyse]

A novel idea, but I don't think we could really justify a means of making most other matches longer.

 

[Mith_]

if it was the last stock i'd grab all of the food as MK then go plank lulz.

 

[bobson]

What, exactly, is so horribly wrong with this idea? Besides HURR DURR ONLY SCRUBS USE ITEMS.

And what makes you think a player won't just keep running the whole match collecting these food items to lower their health and avoiding the fight all together? That just causes another way of stalling.

That won't work at all if the spawn rate is on low.

 

[Mith_]

What, exactly, is so horribly wrong with this idea? Besides HURR DURR ONLY SCRUBS USE ITEMS.


That won't work at all if the spawn rate is on low.

I dunno it does seem interesting although I wouldn't approve of it. Having an item on in tourney play would make any competitive player cringe.

 

[ArcPoint]

I wouldn't go a tourney that had food items set on low...

 

[SothE700k]

...Ok, seriously, wtf. Why is this thread still alive.

 

[bobson]

I dunno it does seem interesting although I wouldn't approve of it. Having an item on in tourney play would make any competitive player cringe.

So it's HURR DURR ONLY SCRUBS USE ITEMS.

This place, I swear...

 

[ShadowLink84]

...Ok, seriously, wtf. Why is this thread still alive.

******** people like me keep posting is why.

 

[G1G4 G0N0RRH34]

this actually sounds pretty good imo

 

[Eyada]

Wouldn't this introduce the possibility of D3 throwing a SmashBall?

I'm not really too familiar with the Good King's more obscure mechanics, but I seem to recall that all Items must be set to "Off" in order to remove the chance of a random SmashBall appearing. If that's the case, it seems like a poor idea to allow Food.

 

[AvariceX]

Guys stop ragging on the op so much, it might not be the best idea but at least the guy is trying. It's not a horrible idea either, although I'm not in favor of it. One problem with the idea though is it would also allow Dedede to randomly throw explosive item capsules instead of waddles.

 

[Mith_]

So it's HURR DURR ONLY SCRUBS USE ITEMS.

This place, I swear...

Unfortunately yea. I'm still waiting for a very competitive player to chime in, although Yuna prolly won't waste his time in a thread like this.

 

[bobson]

Wouldn't this introduce the possibility of D3 throwing a SmashBall?

No. It would, however, introduce the possibility of Dedede throwing cake at his opponent.

One problem with the idea though is it would also allow Dedede to randomly throw explosive item capsules instead of waddles.

Also no. Dedede can only throw items that are enabled.

 

[cutter]

Why not just actually engage the planker?

Planking is not a broken strategy you know. If it were, you would be forced to do it to win.

 

[1048576]

Can one of the naysayers actually provide an argument?

As for the guy who said that a player with a very large lead could still plank: I think that player would win even without planking. Furthermore, if he starts stalling with so little time left that the food doesn't help, I wouldn't condiser that serious enough stalling to warrant a restriction on its use.

Planking is uncounterable for several matchups, and if people were to use it correctly, it would make several characters unviable just for that.

 

[SothE700k]

"Competitive Scene", look it up.
Arguments about items in general have been done OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER.

It does NOT need to be explained AGAIN.

 

[1048576]

The only qualms with food in the competitive scene are that it appears randomly, giving one player a luck-based advantage. I've already acknowledged that. lern2readplz

IMO, this is a very small detriment, given the benefit, as I've outlined, but will explain again.

Planking is an uncounterable tactic in several matchups with characters with not-so-great recoveries and characters with no attacks that reach below the stage. This overcentralizes the metagame around those few characters who can effectively plank and resist planking. The problem is we cannot ban planking outright. Any time or number of ledge grabs criteria would be arbitrary, abused to the fullest, and difficult to enforce. To decentralize the metagame at the expense of some randomness, I've proposed we put food on low.

 

[Johnny Pteran]

It's hilarious that everyone is ****storming over 1 item being on Low,

But planking is perfectly acceptable.

 

[mild or spicy]

looolllz i agree.^

planking IS broken. just like shino stalling and jiggly stallilng was in melee. there has to a counterable measure to this ****.
you say just confront the planker like his invinsibility frames and lagless moves aren't in the way.

 

[1048576]

I think Melee ledge stalling is more managable, because you can grab legde, and the engine was fast enough so that you could punish people as they landed on the stage. Brawl has the auto-sweetspot, and much slower movement, so the planker doesn't have to predict when his opponent will try to grab legde, and if they land on the stage, they can run to the other ledge before being punished.