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new tier list
- Thread starter Animal
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huMps
Smash Ace
mario, only because he doesn't get played enough. I bet DK will be worse. Link and pikachu are coming up(mid-tier).
MarioMariox2
Smash Ace
Cause shroomed is a Doc main D:
cjugs
Smash Ace
Mario won't drop he has better matchups than most of the cast on top tiers. Doc is better tho.....
MarioMariox2
Smash Ace
I can't wait for Scorp-- Mango-- Sc-- that guy to prove that statement wrong D:
PB&J
Smash Hero
scorp a dorp is changing the tier list
cjugs
Smash Ace
Doc is almost completely better version of Mario you care to tell me why that's not true and i should be proven wrong?
P.C. Jona's number 1 fan
Smash Cadet
condemned_soul
Smash Champion
well to be honest, Doc is not that much better then mario. I feel that mario can combo jst as good or better then doc. i prefer mario because i can get away with more IMO.
I have yet to lose to any doc that i have played as mario
MarioMariox2
Smash Ace
j3ly can show you what's up. >:3 He's like the Mario's Sadaharu Inui (or data specialist, if you don't watch The Prince of Tennis)
condemned_soul
Smash Champion
im a really good mario man. imma see if i can get something out there for you guys to see from me
MarioMariox2
Smash Ace
We got this man! We Mario's will rise to the challenge to prove that even "The Mario" (lol TvTropes) can be "The PWNAGE".
It's like we're a freakin' team of mid-tier, 1.5 character-using Gimpyfishes!
condemned_soul
Smash Champion
imma stop holding back and play like mario is suppose to
mars16
Smash Lord
otg
Smash Master
Mario and Doc are very similar, so it's hard to argue one over the other. Frankly it just comes down to playstyle and preference.
I think that there would be NO question that Doc is a better character if he had a solid launcher and wasn't so reliant on grabs.
I think that there would be NO question that Doc is a better character if he had a solid launcher and wasn't so reliant on grabs.
condemned_soul
Smash Champion
Fair will be my example. This is IMO the best move he has in his inventory. great kill move and can be add to a combo after certain moves. Mario's Fair is amazing to say the least. its a great combo starter, its a great spike, and its a great mindgame. it may just be me but i prefer that the fair send people downward instead of away from the stage. it gives me time to do combos out of this world
otg
Smash Master
Whoa, you cannot argue that Mario's fair is a good spike and a good Kill move. A good combo move that links into finisher situationally? Yes, but thats about it.
condemned_soul
Smash Champion
U-tilt> U-air>Grab>U-Throw> U-air onto platform>F-smash in upwards direction on fox on Yoshi Island
Grab>D-throw>Grab>U-throw>U-smash>U-tilt>B-air>B-air>F-smash on link on Pokemon Stadium
U-tilt> U-air> U-air>F-tilt (he then upBs over me to get on the board)>N-air>U-air>F-smash ganon on fountain of dreams
F-air> U-tilt> long jump U-air> DAC (Dash Attack Cancel)> F-air> U-tilt> U-air> F-smash on captain falcon on Battlefield
Mario can combo to hell and back
let me here some combos by doc that does not have him grab someone more then twice. IMO i feel like I can do just
as a good as or better then a Doc. with mario once you hit 30% a grab could lead to a amazing combo which equals a lot of damage or death. I have yet to lose or been out matched by a Doc player.
Edit 1: looking at some videos of doc all i have seen is U-air combos
Grab>D-throw>Grab>U-throw>U-smash>U-tilt>B-air>B-air>F-smash on link on Pokemon Stadium
U-tilt> U-air> U-air>F-tilt (he then upBs over me to get on the board)>N-air>U-air>F-smash ganon on fountain of dreams
F-air> U-tilt> long jump U-air> DAC (Dash Attack Cancel)> F-air> U-tilt> U-air> F-smash on captain falcon on Battlefield
Mario can combo to hell and back
let me here some combos by doc that does not have him grab someone more then twice. IMO i feel like I can do just
as a good as or better then a Doc. with mario once you hit 30% a grab could lead to a amazing combo which equals a lot of damage or death. I have yet to lose or been out matched by a Doc player.
Edit 1: looking at some videos of doc all i have seen is U-air combos
otg
Smash Master
lol omg, for a second I was considering actually responding to that post, but you clearly have no idea wtf you're talking about.
You should play against SmasherLink he has some pretty good combos too.
You should play against SmasherLink he has some pretty good combos too.
condemned_soul
Smash Champion
ok otg now go where you are important......now on you the serious talk lol
animal we have a real good move to juggle falcon and that Uairs Utilts and the up throw cg
PS If your talking about the combos i have people how will vouch if that matters to you.
animal we have a real good move to juggle falcon and that Uairs Utilts and the up throw cg
PS If your talking about the combos i have people how will vouch if that matters to you.
Moooose
Smash Champion
no offense soul but otg is alot better than you
come to a tourney sometime though, it'll be nice to see you, havent seen you in forever. there'll be one in wb on the 21st.
oh and super old video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hO8d1N9hn0
come to a tourney sometime though, it'll be nice to see you, havent seen you in forever. there'll be one in wb on the 21st.
oh and super old video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hO8d1N9hn0
cjugs
Smash Ace
cjugs
Smash Ace
name one thing mario is better at.
MarioMariox2
Smash Ace
Better projectile/power = Doc
Slightly better comboability, recovery, range, upsmash power = Mario
Slightly better comboability, recovery, range, upsmash power = Mario
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
j3ly: docs recovery is garbage
pills go at the wrong angle
pills go at the wrong angle
MarioMariox2
Smash Ace
with list 4.0 coming soon, i suppose so.
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
j3ly: the tier list is a tally chart only. which means it sort of tallys character popularity too. if more people played mario he would be higher than doc.
mario takes more skill to kill an opponent because his finisher isnt as accessible as docs, but is much much much easier to recover with. im also not so sure if docs fair stalls momentum and if his bair makes momentum. marios' definatly do however
thats all i got to say on the subject cos its all been said before
mario takes more skill to kill an opponent because his finisher isnt as accessible as docs, but is much much much easier to recover with. im also not so sure if docs fair stalls momentum and if his bair makes momentum. marios' definatly do however
thats all i got to say on the subject cos its all been said before
otg
Smash Master
Don't be mislead by Mario's "better" recovery, it is still absolute trash.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Recoveries in this game are pretty bad on the whole tbh.
_KuyaSombreo_
Smash Ace
shroomed vs. scorpion master would settle this debate
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
what you talking about otg? marios recovery is excellent with good smash DI. smash Di off of the floor, then up and inwards. momentum stall with fair, 3 mixups, a fireball which covers his trajectory AND a super easy sweetspot. i dont do the momentum stall yet.
ill be uploading alot of games in the next few days, watch how i recover. dont gimme some bs about how you are this and that, and so skilled, and ur region is so much better than mine - i main mario, i play the best in the country and i still NEVER need to use upB to recover, DI and downB are more than enough to come back to the stage.
MARIOS RECOVERY IS REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOD. his DI is also good, he survives to about 140% on FD and 180% on DL. after those points, he can only survive weak sex kicks. not even tilts lol. mario can survive a charged fox fsmash on fd at the edge at 140%, so can doc i assume
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2X-KIbKpU
(as doc)
1:14 - i receive a jiggly bair at 131% on DL and am about 50-60% from being KO'd by it. good di makes it impossible to reach him, before he is oostun and he has 3 mixups.
in PAL mario is lighter, so that doesn't affect you. but he has cape lift and can use the cape like marth uses sideB to recover.
1:42 - an example of what happens with no DI. this hit could have easily been survived if i saw it comming and SDI'd.
there is a match on yoshis. i survive a jiggly bair at 140%, and dont need to use upB to recover.
i manage to make doc have a good recovery, so why cant you, as the self proclaimed best doc. mario has an easier time recovering, but both have alot of options and will always come back unless they hit the blast lines.
most importantly is the trajectory of pills and fireballs. pills cover your angle nicely if you dont get hit very hard. but if you SDI to the top corner, pills will be of practically no use, simply hovering infront of you - no threat to the edgehogging opponent. this is demonstrated on my 2nd last stock in the 5th game of the above set. mario would have made that back.
mario can also fire 2 fireballs at the edgehogging opponent every single time after SDI, pressuring their stall.
oh yeah, and mario's upB is alot more horizontal when angled towards the ledge. doc gets more height, but neither of us needs height with DI.
ill be uploading alot of games in the next few days, watch how i recover. dont gimme some bs about how you are this and that, and so skilled, and ur region is so much better than mine - i main mario, i play the best in the country and i still NEVER need to use upB to recover, DI and downB are more than enough to come back to the stage.
MARIOS RECOVERY IS REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOD. his DI is also good, he survives to about 140% on FD and 180% on DL. after those points, he can only survive weak sex kicks. not even tilts lol. mario can survive a charged fox fsmash on fd at the edge at 140%, so can doc i assume
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2X-KIbKpU
(as doc)
1:14 - i receive a jiggly bair at 131% on DL and am about 50-60% from being KO'd by it. good di makes it impossible to reach him, before he is oostun and he has 3 mixups.
in PAL mario is lighter, so that doesn't affect you. but he has cape lift and can use the cape like marth uses sideB to recover.
1:42 - an example of what happens with no DI. this hit could have easily been survived if i saw it comming and SDI'd.
there is a match on yoshis. i survive a jiggly bair at 140%, and dont need to use upB to recover.
i manage to make doc have a good recovery, so why cant you, as the self proclaimed best doc. mario has an easier time recovering, but both have alot of options and will always come back unless they hit the blast lines.
most importantly is the trajectory of pills and fireballs. pills cover your angle nicely if you dont get hit very hard. but if you SDI to the top corner, pills will be of practically no use, simply hovering infront of you - no threat to the edgehogging opponent. this is demonstrated on my 2nd last stock in the 5th game of the above set. mario would have made that back.
mario can also fire 2 fireballs at the edgehogging opponent every single time after SDI, pressuring their stall.
oh yeah, and mario's upB is alot more horizontal when angled towards the ledge. doc gets more height, but neither of us needs height with DI.
cjugs
Smash Ace
Doc seems to be a tiny bit smaller, which would make his shield a little better.
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
i read somewhere that their hurtboxes are identical