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New technique?

AXE 09

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VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9nivZx7U8c

More information (including shortened up-b):
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=273278

Hey everyone =)

If this technique has already been discovered, then I'm really sorry for wasting everyone's time here lol. I made sure to look at the Q&A for this, but I didn't find it. I'm not exactly sure how useful this technique will be (I find it to be very useful. Probably more useful for Sheik than Pikachu) but... here goes =)

Basically, we (everyone in the Pikachu discussion) have discovered that... During the first zip of his up-b, he can turn around. So... let's say Pikachu is facing left. You can up-b strait up, and end up facing right. You can do this from the ground or while airborne. So what does this mean for Sheik?

I have seen many times when Sheik is in the position where she is without a jump and somewhat under the stage (imagine FD). You probably feel like it's pointless to try to recover, because your only option is to teleport strait up, and there's no way to grab the edge because you're facing the wrong way. Well, now you can change that! When you up-b strait up, there is a way to turn around so you can now grab the edge and be a happy Sheik player :)

To do this technique... at the START of your up-b (during the frames before you actually take off, which is when Sheik's doing that weird twisty-body thing BEFORE she vanishes), you must lightly (and I mean VERY lightly) tilt the control stick in the opposite direction that you are facing. You must tilt it lightly enough so that you do not actually vanish in that direction. The result will be Sheik vanishing strait up and facing the opposite direction of which she started. So... You could up-b (while in the air), and during the time before she vanishes, you can move slightly left or right. Then when you vanish strait up, you can end up facing the opposite direction and happily grab the edge =D

Characters with similar up-b mechanics can do this (Pikachu, Pichu, Zelda, Mewtwo). Sheik is luckily one of the easier ones to do this with due to how long her startup frames are before she vanishes. The hardest one to do this with is Mewtwo because he has very little startup time, but it's still possible.

Anyways, I hope that this can help some of you guys out :) and sorry if this is already known lol
 

WHA?

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wow, better get practicing
some day we shieks will contribute to the pikachu metagame, thus returning the favor.....
 

TemPesT-

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****, you mean we actually have to hang on the edge now to edgeguard when shiek is forced to upb straight up? lol
 

KirbyKaze

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I got this about 3/5 times. I need to practice more I guess.

Nice find.

edit: it's easier if you release the stick after inputting Up+B.
 

KAOSTAR

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Well that was easy. I can do it pretty regularly with m2.

thanks axe lol.

lets just throw m2ks angles **** out the window cuz we dont need it anymore.

now just gotta do it under pressure lol
 

xbombr

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Kaffei - You're the 2nd person ever that told me that they look at the OP page :laugh:

^_^b
That was actually the first page I ever visited in the Sheik forums. >_>

Probably one of the most helpful posts overall, imo. Great for referencing stuff.
 

Nihonjin

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Does Amsah/M2K already know of this?
I knew about the reversed UpB but because I don't own a cube so I never bothered to figure out how to do it properly (but now that Axe explained it I can do it 8 out of 10 times), I didn't know about the shortened UpB though, that will come in quite handy..:embarrass

Thanks Axe..=D
 

pockyD

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when you shorten the up-b, does it work for both parts (and if so, can you control them separately), just the first part, or just the second part?
 

KAOSTAR

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Is the shortened up + B with pika/pichu/zelda/sheik the same as m2s shortened teleport-tilting vs smashing?

Also, what exactly does it require to up+B straight up twice as Chu? Can you hold the control stick slightly the same way you are facing or do you have to do it the opposite as if you were to turn around?

and can you turn around twice? one of the first and another on the second?
 

N.A.G.A.C.E

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i am sorry but is this a joke? i picked up sheik about a month and a half ago and by day 2 i figured out i could turn around to grab the edge if i had to up-B strait up with my back facing the stage. i thought this was kinda obvious. on the other hand i had no idea u could shorten the up-B distance
 

TemPesT-

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at the START of your up-b (during the frames before you actually take off, which is when Sheik's doing that weird twisty-body thing BEFORE she vanishes), you must lightly (and I mean VERY lightly) tilt the control stick in the opposite direction that you are facing
so i haven't been able to do this, do you mean angle the stick UP and the OPPOSITE direction, or do you just slightly go left/right not enough to cause the vanish to go that way though?
 

AXE 09

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Everyone, please visit this thread:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=273278
Is the shortened up + B with pika/pichu/zelda/sheik the same as m2s shortened teleport-tilting vs smashing?

Also, what exactly does it require to up+B straight up twice as Chu? Can you hold the control stick slightly the same way you are facing or do you have to do it the opposite as if you were to turn around?

and can you turn around twice? one of the first and another on the second?
All 5 characters work exactly the same in performing this technique. Sheik/Zelda are much easier to do it with because their startup animations last much longer (in comparison to Pika, Pichu, and Mewtwo). Mewtwo is the hardest to do this with.

As far as Pikachu goes: Yes, you can go upwards twice and turn around during both of the zips, resulting in you just facing the same direction in the end so it's kinda worthless lol. But just for info, yes, you can do that. For more information about Pikachu/Pichu, click on the link I just posted.
so i haven't been able to do this, do you mean angle the stick UP and the OPPOSITE direction, or do you just slightly go left/right not enough to cause the vanish to go that way though?
Exactly the second part of your sentence. After you press up-b, you only tilt left/right. You do not tilt in any diagonal direction or anything like that, just only horizontally.

And for everyone who said thank you, you're very welcome =D

This was a bad idea to post here lol. Now Amsah's gonna be even harder to kill =(
But he's one heck of an awesome guy, so he deserves it :) In return, you have to let me win in the next tourney we fight at! Lol jk jk

If anyone has anymore questions, you should post them in the thread posted above (which is located under Melee Discussion)
 

Nihonjin

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This was a bad idea to post here lol. Now Amsah's gonna be even harder to kill =(
But he's one heck of an awesome guy, so he deserves it :) In return, you have to let me win in the next tourney we fight at! Lol jk jk
I'll think about it..:embarrass
 
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