NEW TECH! --> Shutter F-tilt

[UltimateRazer]

I think some of the tournaments I win matter....I kinda do agree with Nappy except on the part of only looking at Ally. Yes people are figuring out the match up.

Also, snake isn't that broken. Hes broken to an extent, range and strength wise...but if you actually sit down and learn the match up, it isn't as hard as it would be if you didn't. I think adhd could of won VC if he didn't let the trash talk get to him...in WF I say him read snake.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[etecoon]

MK isn't that great, he has weaknesses too, as in his lack of killing power not named gimping and his lightweightness. He has no projectile, Plus he gets chaingrabbed by Falco and Pikachu and lots of chars (including Snake) can grab release him into stuff. True those are not as bad as Snake's weaknesses, but its still there. And Snake can make up for his weakesses with his strengths in power, killing, and survivability.

true that MK isn't a perfect character, and he also has another weakness in that his shield is pretty weak and gets stabbed more easily than most characters. but I don't look at his grab releases or chain grabs as a serious weakness because he's potentially the best character in the game at avoiding grabs(I love the MKvIC's MU so much lol). full hop dair and dtilt are incredibly safe when spaced right, some characters can't really punish MK's ftilt either, tornado can be retreated to platforms or the edge if shielded, down B canceled shuttle loop is almost never punished by grabs etc.

most people consider it a strength of MK's but I find myself getting screwed over by transcendent priority a lot. **** that would have left me in a safe position if I were using snake or marth makes me trade hits a lot as MK which is pretty much always bad, and it makes mid-range projectiles more effective vs MK than other characters(except projectiles that are transcendent themselves such as lasers), which also goes along with his air momentum and mediocre shield giving him a hard time vs some projectile users. I actually don't think MK is especially amazing as an aggro character, I find it easier to play aggressive with a few others, it's his defense which is really, really ridiculous. campy MK with a decent lead basically shuts down most characters, hardest character in the game to approach IMO

I was just going to be like "yo MK is really hard to grab" and somehow that turned into a wall of text o_O

 

[ShardFenix]

I'm going to kill the next person who calls snake broken

Snake can make other people drop items. He can turn off the game's physics. He has a triple jump with two types of invulnerability. He has disjointed hitboxes on almost all of his attacks. He has an instant dash that makes half of his body invulnerable. He has an AT that gives him the upside-down version of Akuma's air fireball PLUS an extra initial hit. He has an attack that deals damage to other people when he gets hit. He has an attack that PREVENTS other characters from using attacks.

He's broken. Moreso than MetaKnight (who is actually just regular overpowered).

 

[etecoon]

be a man, troll on your main account.

 

[Kunx990]

Like I do.

 

[demonictoonlink]

MK isn't that great, he has weaknesses too, as in his lack of killing power not named gimping and his lightweightness. He has no projectile, Plus he gets chaingrabbed by Falco and Pikachu and lots of chars (including Snake) can grab release him into stuff. True those are not as bad as Snake's weaknesses, but its still there. And Snake can make up for his weakesses with his strengths in power, killing, and survivability.

Someone who is actually able to admit MK has weaknesses that doesn't main him?

Ban him.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Someone who is actually able to admit MK has weaknesses that doesn't main him?

Ban him.

See I'm tired or MK getting hated on because ppl think he is wayy more broken than he actually is (When's the last time that MK won a major?)

So many people at my College have that mentality, basically shunning anyone who tries to play MK. Because of that we have no mk mains here are any of us would get wrecked by MKs in tourneys. I'm trying to fix that by using MK as a secondary, but I know he would never be as good as the MK of a MK main.

tl;dr ppl needs to stop *****ing about MK and just learn the matchup, there's a reason his matchups are mostly 55:45 or 60:40, not 80:20 or 90:10 as some people like to think.

 

[etecoon]

snake players don't wanna see more penguins around, of course we want the batman legal!

 

[Sinz]

^This I agree with.

 

[Berserker.]

People kept saying this is old.

Why did no one even tell this

 

[Sinz]

People kept saying this is old.

Why did no one even tell this

It's a universal tactic. Link can do it, a bunch of characters can do it. It isn't useful with some characters and some characters it isn't easily noticeable.

 

[Berserker.]

Oh I get it but it's actually kind okay or good for Snake since his knee has broken range

 

[luke_atyeo]

sure mk has weakness's, what makes him so good is that he can take your options away, but you can never take his away, a greater advantage then it sounds, anyways I hate to break up this pointless fighting over whos breaking the game, but who wants to go find out how many extra frames of startup this will add onto a ftilt.

 

[napZzz]

I liked the part where people actually responded to what I said about snake being trash

10nappys

 

[TwentyTwo]

See I'm tired or MK getting hated on because ppl think he is wayy more broken than he actually is (When's the last time that MK won a major?)

So many people at my College have that mentality, basically shunning anyone who tries to play MK. Because of that we have no mk mains here are any of us would get wrecked by MKs in tourneys. I'm trying to fix that by using MK as a secondary, but I know he would never be as good as the MK of a MK main.

tl;dr ppl needs to stop *****ing about MK and just learn the matchup, there's a reason his matchups are mostly 55:45 or 60:40, not 80:20 or 90:10 as some people like to think.

I agree with this, except for the matchup part. I think a lot of character boards skew their matchups, because some of the things they talk about being able to do just seem impractical. He does have a good amount of 55:45/60:40, but a lot of characters definitely do a lot worse than they say imo.

 

[napZzz]

See I'm tired or MK getting hated on because ppl think he is wayy more broken than he actually is (When's the last time that MK won a major?)

So many people at my College have that mentality, basically shunning anyone who tries to play MK. Because of that we have no mk mains here are any of us would get wrecked by MKs in tourneys. I'm trying to fix that by using MK as a secondary, but I know he would never be as good as the MK of a MK main.

tl;dr ppl needs to stop *****ing about MK and just learn the matchup, there's a reason his matchups are mostly 55:45 or 60:40, not 80:20 or 90:10 as some people like to think.

he only doesn't get 1st because theres usually better players than the mk main outplaying them to win with one of the few characters that stand a chance

you can still see like half or more of a top 8 being mk's, but how often do you see more than 2 of the same character that isn't mk in the top 8?

 

[etecoon]

I agree with that, like bowser boards have tried to say they go 45:55 vs MK and there is no facepalm pic degrading enough to describe how that makes me feel

MK isn't really that broken in terms of normal fighting, he's the best but not banworthy as far as that goes IMO. only thing that concerns me about him is that he seems to be perennially able to dodge any new limitation on stalling

 

[Teh Future]

nothing nappy every posts makes sense

 

[napZzz]

nothing nappy every posts makes sense

ganondorf

ganondorf

ganondorf

 

[etecoon]

we need to get a dark pch to contrast nappy against, I'm not sure how you could find such a person for the second best character in the game, but if you come across someone like that make sure to send them here <_<

 

[Teh Future]

whatever ganon is moar broken than snake he kills you in like 3 hits at least snake it takes like 5

 

[napZzz]

whatever ganon is moar broken than snake he kills you in like 3 hits at least snake it takes like 5

I'm definitely quoting this, and whats that supposed to mean etecoon HUH ARE YOU SAYING IM SOME SORT OF LIKES TO DISAGREE AND BE NEGATIVE GUY

whats an argument

 

[etecoon]

snake is like ganondorf

WITH GRENADES

 

[Yumewomiteru]

he only doesn't get 1st because theres usually better players than the mk main outplaying them to win with one of the few characters that stand a chance

you can still see like half or more of a top 8 being mk's, but how often do you see more than 2 of the same character that isn't mk in the top 8?

http://allisbrawl.com/group.aspx?id=10907

NE tourneys lawl.

 

[Viceros]

Oh, I lol'd.

 

[etecoon]

snake overcentralizes the metagame in new england

SNAAAAAAAAAAAAKE

 

[AllyKnight]

lol at people sayin snake is broken, Diddy can do about 70+% in a follow up against heavies. Falco can CG and do 70+ with CG + DACUS. cry more. Be good.

 

[CO18]

Snakes broken!!!!

 

[Attila_]

snake is broken. as is the rest of high tier. deal with it.

 

[etecoon]

if you're calling 5-7 characters or so broken, they aren't really broken <_<

MK is the only one that comes THAT close to really deserving the title

 

[Attila_]

mk is the most broken. that's why he's the best in the game. snake (nades and tilts), diddy (banana gayness), falco (lasers and cg), wario (di, mobility, fart, spotdodge), ics (cg), marth (range and lag) are all broken, just not to the extent that mk is.

 

[gallax]

Snakes broken!!!!

coming from the world snake beating champion...yeah i dont believe u. lol.

 

[Berserker.]

MK is the combined version of all A-S tier characters

But I think all of you are a bit I mean over off-topic already. This thread isn't for complaining that Snake's broken unless your talking about this cause of the "old tech". Well there's more hidden techs coming

 

[Infern Angelis]

You guys are silly

 

[ShardFenix]

snake is broken. as is the rest of high tier. deal with it.

Broken != overpowered. Something is broken if it ignores the game's rules. Snake's grenades and MK's infinite cape are the only things that fall strictly under this category, and one of them is already banned in most places.

 

[gallax]

ill tell you guys whats broken...snake dittos. now thats broken.

Spoiler

cuz its so fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[etecoon]

my opinion on snake dittos goes back and forth, sometimes I like them sometimes I hate them. they're always fun to watch at least

 

[luke_atyeo]

my snake is broken... **** std's

 

[Kunx990]

4th Port, ditto win?

 

[Toneh]

4th Port, ditto win?

tbh i think u have a .0001 advantage