New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Johnknight1]

While we may thank Retro for reviving Donkey Kong Country, we may also thank them for not making Dixie Kong and King K. Rool relevant, causing us to debate for years over whether we might get both or one or none.

I think they just wanted to put their own spin on Donkey Kong Country. There's nothing wrong with that. Retro Studios wanted to establish their impact on Donkey Kong Country.

Truth be told, I think another studio or a somewhat different staff will make a combination of classic Donkey Kong Country, Returns, and a new direction.

 

[Diddy Kong]

PAON used the Kremlings. Invalid argument.

Anthony & Impa 4 Smash!

 

[Johnknight1]

^^^ Yep. Kremlings were also in Brawl if I remember correctly!

Well in case Dixie is out of question

What do you mean by this good sir=??? Are you saying Dixie is out of the question, or that silly Kremlings argument is out of the question with Dixie's chances=???

 

[Deleted member]

rare can make games on nintendo handhelds only, and the kremlings and king k rool are owned by rare

Here's the comment.
Here's the video it's from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Wv60_FIl8&

 

[Arcadenik]

Do we really need that abomination? Hell, why not suggest the CD-i while you're at it?

We need a giant mechanical golem made of Nintendo systems and peripherals.

Virtual Boy - head
Game Boy - body
Power Glove - right arm
Wii Remote - left arm
e-Reader - crotch
Wii - left and right legs
NES - left foot
SNES - right foot

 

[Lukingordex]

Anthony & Impa 4 Smash!

 

[Deleted member]

I personally don't get the hate for clones. I would personally use Pico even if he ended up being a Melee-styled Snake clone. Its the character, him/herself being in that matters the most to me. I want to see the characters I love from Nintendo's various games not because I think they would have interesting moveset potential, but because I love their games, their character, their importance to Nintendo, and developed a bond with those characters over the years.

I don't care all that much about Bowser Jr., so if I'm going to play with him, I expect him to be completely unique. Since that is not likely to happen, I don't care about his inclusion.

And I don't consider attachment towards a character a reason to add them. I like Dixie Kong as a character very much, but I don't care for her inclusion, just think she's a good choice that's very likely.

 

[Johnknight1]

Here's the comment.
Here's the video it's from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Wv60_FIl8&

Figures it has to be on youtube. That place is filled with idiots!

 

[Baskerville]

*pats shoulder* I know how ya feel Lukin.
@John Minus pizzadudemanguy & LordJackal

 

[ssbowns]

What do you mean by this good sir=??? Are you saying Dixie is out of the question, or that silly Kremlings argument is out of the question with Dixie's chances=???

If we assume that because Retro didn't use most of Kong family, Dixie won't be plausible either, but Cranky could be. In other words just senseless speculation. Nothing to be alarmed over.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

@SSBF I literally have no idea how you are so sure that Junior would be a clone of Bowser. Similar body features, that's all they share (oh, and fire breath).

So that means Dixie would be a clone of Diddy, right?

 

[Oasis_S]

@SSBF I literally have no idea how you are so sure that Junior would be a clone of Bowser. Similar body features, that's all they share (oh, and fire breath).

So that means Dixie would be a clone of Diddy, right?

She'll be similar, yeah.

 

[Lukingordex]

*pats shoulder* I know how ya feel Lukin.

I really don´t know how many times he already talked about it...

 

[Johnknight1]

If we assume that because Retro didn't use most of Kong family, Dixie won't be plausible either, but Cranky could be. In other words just senseless speculation. Nothing to be alarmed over.

Dixie was originally planned to be in Brawl as Diddy Kong's partner. Plus, Dixie has been in several games since Donkey Kong Country 2 and 3. So yeah, she is plausible. Plus given that Sakurai seriously considered her for Smash and had data on her for on the Brawl disc, Dixie Kong will be heavily considered yet agian.

 

[Arcadenik]

If people think Dixie is going to be a Diddy clone, let's just pair her up with Kiddy Kong to make her not a clone because she would be using Kiddy for some of her specials like throwing Kiddy around and balancing on Kiddy as Kiddy rolls around. But she must have her hair spin when she double jumps and when she recovers.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Here it is:


[COLLAPSE="Improving On Assist Trophies By Horsetail"]Assist Trophies are now made summonable for each player, with having multiple attacks or moves.

- In menu, after you have chosen your playable character, you're prompted to choose optionally Assist Trophies to join in the fight with you. If you confirm to do this, another select screen appears where you can choose Assist Trophies. Each player can have one.

- Assists have their own gauge the loads up during the match. When it's full, toggle the touch screen for to summon them up. Assists can stay as long as the gauge is running power, which slowly depletes to zero, making them disappear then. There's also quick attack-function that lets them deliver a blow and then disappear, like the assists in Marvel Vs Capcom-series.

- Assist can have up to 3-4 attacks. Depending on the character they can also put an effect on an opponent or even aid or heal their summoner.

- Like before, Assist Trophies are being characters that might not have a shot as a playable, but could be given a chance to be part of a battle: literally. Mostly these consists partners of the playables or some obscurities and so on.
In Classic Mode, most of the Assist which are paired with the main characters are usually their default partners. (Like Bowser would have Bowser Jr. or Wario would have Waluigi and so on)

- Each Assist Trophy has a described type which tells how are their attacks like:

Melee Fighter (Gray Fox, Knuckle Joe)

Ranged Attacker (Ray MK, Hammer Bro)

All-Round Specialist (Like Saki, who's both ranged and melee attacker)

Trickster (Tingle)

Hazardist (Lakitu)

Healing / Assist (Heals the summoner or gives the some status boost.)

I try to think out more types...

- Assist have their own stats similar to the weapon system in Uprising. The stats are:

Attack: Attack power of course
Defense: withstanding opponents damage or knockback if hit.
Speed: How successfully they can hit their enemies or how fast they move on the stage: Gray Fox for an example could have a high one.
Range: If they use projectiles, this tells how effective they are. These might be tied with Attack-stat.
Melee: If they use close-range attack, this tells how effective they are. Might be tied with Attack stat.
Assistance: Specifically for aiders or healers, this tells how useful their assist moves are, explaining also the what these moves do.
Attackers might have an aid or heal move, but usually one, and theirs aren't really as good as the core Aiders/Healers.

Effect: Tells an effect of their attacks and what they each do, covers also attack's damage power and additional status effects. (poison, flame, etc)

Power's measured by stars and halfstars, much like in Uprising. Or numbers. I prefer stars.

- If you take your Assist Trophy with you to the Classic Mode and clear it with him/her, you get an additional trophy about your assist along with the classic mode trophy.
[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Johnknight1]

If people think Dixie is going to be a Diddy clone, let's just pair her up with Kiddy Kong to make her not a clone because she would be using Kiddy for some of her specials like throwing Kiddy around and balancing on Kiddy as Kiddy rolls around. But she must have her hair spin when she double jumps and when she recovers.

Dixie Kong, at worst, would have maybe two or three of the same attacks as Diddy Kong.

This is much like how Ike and Lucario has like 2 or 3 of the same attacks as Roy/Marth and Mewtwo. They're not clones, but there are a few moves with borrowed elements.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

She'll be similar, yeah.

Similar =/= clone.

There's no doubt there would be similarities with Jr./Papa and Diddy/Dixie, but being confident that they'd be clones is dumb.

Jigglypuff and Kirby are similar, and that's about as similar as those two pairs above would probably be.

@Horsetail I gusta those ideas. However there would have to be significantly fewer big characters that get the AT treatment. If that much effort went into Saki as an AT, then people would be pretty pissed that he isn't just playable.

But that system would work really well for characters that really don't have shots at being playable, like you mentioned.

 

[Arcadenik]

@ Young Horsetail

And what about Assist Trophies like Helirin and Nintendog and Mr. Resetti?

 

[Lukingordex]

Assist trophies of Flint,Cyndaquil and Dimentio is for sure a great idea.

 

[Oasis_S]

If you have people saying Wolf is a Fox clone, there will be people saying Dixie is a Diddy clone. I'm sure of it.

But Sakurai has a record of making similar characters... Similar. I would GUESS that he thinks he has to. Because some characters look nearly the same, you'd expect them to play nearly the same. Well, SAME is too strong. Just, similar.

But Dixie has more to set herself apart from Diddy than Junior to Bowser (ignoring artistry tools). And she was considered before, so I figure she would have quite an edge.

And Toad is still boring.

 

[ssbowns]

We need a giant mechanical golem made of Nintendo systems and peripherals.

Virtual Boy - head
Game Boy - body
Power Glove - right arm
Wii Remote - left arm
e-Reader - crotch
Wii - left and right legs
NES - left foot
SNES - right foot

Where do GBC, GBA, GBASP, GBA Micro, DS, NDS, 3DS fit in this? And especially N64?

Though "Nintendomania" could be a fun (scrolling) stage:
- Starts out with playing cards making the platforms, with Nintendo card table on the background
- Soon Game&Watch games appear with platforms and background changing
- Next NES boots up into a platform with a gallery of NES game feed in the background. Something akin to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WExgEXEkYAw&feature=related
- Game Boy, SNES, Virtual Boy (with red 3D), N64, Gamecube, DS, Wii and their variants follow.
- Ends with WiiU, until someone pushes reset.
Completely nonsensical self-advertising stage.

 

[Lukingordex]

And Toad is still boring.

Not really.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

If you have people saying Wolf is a Fox clone, there will be people saying Dixie is a Diddy clone. I'm sure of it.

But Sakurai has a record of making similar characters... Similar. I would GUESS that he thinks he has to. Because some characters look nearly the same, you'd expect them to play nearly the same. Well, SAME is too strong. Just, similar.

But Dixie has more to set herself apart from Diddy than Junior to Bowser (ignoring artistry tools). And she was considered before, so I figure she would have quite an edge.

And Toad is still boring.

Eh, Junior has his Paintbrush (not ignoring artistry tools ) and Dixie has her hair. She's Diddy in drag. Not saying she's not great and all, but helicopter hair can only do so much for me.

And agreed, Toad is lame. Age him a bit and put "sworth" at the end and then we'll talk.

And Wolf is a Fox clone in terms of specials only. There's no effing way he should have a Reflector. His Blaster is unique enough, although he still needs something else. His side and up specials could use some cosmetic changes to further separate him from Fox, too. But the specials are the only cloneish thing about him.

 

[Oasis_S]

Not really.

You're boring.

 

[Deleted member]

Hypothetical:
Let's say no Assist Trophy is allowed to become a playable character. Yes, that includes Little Mac.

However, Punch-Out still gets a playable character, and it's King Hippo.
Would you rage?

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Horsetail
I agree that (most) Assist Trophy characters should have multiple attacks. That just makes more sense, and makes them feel more "a part" of the game, and play and fight more "like themselves" in Smash.

However, characters don't need "partner" Assist Trophy characters. Maybe for a game mode (kinda like Marvel vs. Capcom, or Jump Super Stars/Jump Ultimate Stars), but not as a regular default mode.

Also, Assist Trophy characters (as well as Pokéball Pokémon) need to have individual "on/off" switches for each one (ie: turn Charizard off, keep Squirtle on).

 

[Lukingordex]

You're boring.

You are cool and beaultifull.

Inb4 flamewar

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Oasis
Stop being Slow.

 

[Sage of Ice]

golden: "rage" is too strong a word, but i do tink it would be stupid. that would be like having a bunch of mario characters but not mario himself. the main character should be top priority. as far as king hippo specifically, no. i don't care fr him, but whatever.

 

[ssbowns]

If people think Dixie is going to be a Diddy clone, let's just pair her up with Kiddy Kong to make her not a clone because she would be using Kiddy for some of her specials like throwing Kiddy around and balancing on Kiddy as Kiddy rolls around. But she must have her hair spin when she double jumps and when she recovers.

Would be a great throwback to Country 3.

 

[Johnknight1]

Hypothetical:
Let's say no Assist Trophy is allowed to become a playable character. Yes, that includes Little Mac.

However, Punch-Out still gets a playable character, and it's King Hippo.
Would you rage?

Yes. I would feel more indifferent towards Smash Wii U and 3DS. I would still buy it, unless 2 other stupid crap like that happened. Then I'd just keep playing Borderlands [2].

King Hippo sounds like a boring character. A great boss, though. Plus Little Mac has much more "potential" to be a "unique" character IMO.

 

[ChronoBound]

And I don't consider attachment towards a character a reason to add them. I like Dixie Kong as a character very much, but I don't care for her inclusion, just think she's a good choice that's very likely.

Attachment towards a character was a reason I gave as to why I would support a character, not a reason for inclusion.

Also, I am sure most Bowser Jr. fans would rather see him in as a Bowser clone than him not being in at all.

 

[Arcadenik]

Hypothetical:
Let's say no Assist Trophy is allowed to become a playable character. Yes, that includes Little Mac.

However, Punch-Out still gets a playable character, and it's King Hippo.
Would you rage?

Well, if it is anyone else, yes, but since it is King Hippo, I would not rage.

But Sakurai would be dumb to do that. King Hippo but no Little Mac? Little Mac alone or both him and King Hippo is the way to go.

 

[Johnknight1]

Attachment towards a character was a reason I gave as to why I would support a character, not a reason for inclusion.

Pretty much this. Our attachment to characters (because of their appearances outside of smash) is proof that we love them more than characters in other fighting games. Unlike other fighting game characters, all smash bros playable character (minus Roy) have been playable in their own respective series beforehand (and we love [most of] those series).

Also, I am sure most Bowser Jr. fans would rather see him in as a Bowser clone than him not being in at all.

Bowser Jr. would be one of the nice options for a solid semi-clone/late add-on clone to "pad" the roster.

 

[Deleted member]

@SSBF I literally have no idea how you are so sure that Junior would be a clone of Bowser. Similar body features, that's all they share (oh, and fire breath).

So that means Dixie would be a clone of Diddy, right?

If they can make Ganondorf a semi-clone, Bowser Jr. definitely has semi-clone potential.

And I never stated Dixie Kong would be a clone, just that I'm not interested in her inclusion.

 

[Johnknight1]

Quiet fools.Get back to worshiping at the alter of thy 9 Versions of Thy Ridley Gods.

1. Thy Original Purple Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine extreme speed!
2. Thy Recolored Green Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine immortality!
3. Thy Robotic Mecha Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine incredible mind!
4. Thy Super-Armor Wearing Meta Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine powerful natural instincts!
5. Thy Phazite Armor Meta Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine own Phazon powers!
6. Thy Omega Armor Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine incredible inner and outer strength!
7. Thy Red Revived Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine wrathful fire!
8. Thy Revived Genetically Mutated Ridley Clone, grant thee thy power of thine heart of battle!
9. Thy Ridley-X X Clone of Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine miraculous healing!

All Hail Thy "Cunning God of Death!!!" Thine own Ridley!!! ALL HAIL RIDLEY!!! ALL HAIL RIDLEY!!! RIDLEY FOR SMASH! RIDLEY FOR SMASH!

 

[ChronoBound]

I would be happy to see Dixie Kong in even if she shared Diddy Kong's specials and Final Smash.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Quiet fools.

Get back to worshiping at the alter of thy Ridley gods.

Thy Purple Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine extreme speed!
Thy Green Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine immortality!
Thy Mecha Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine incredible mind!
Thy Meta Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine powerful natural instincts!
Thy Omega Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine incredible strength!
Thy Red Ridley, grant thee thy power of thine wrathful fire!
Thy Genetically Mutated Ridley clone, grant thee thy power of thine heart of battle!
Thy Ridley-X, grant thee thy power of thine miraculous healing!

All Hail Thy "Cunning God of Death!!!" Thine own Ridley!!! ALL HAIL RIDLEY!!! ALL HAIL RIDLEY!!! RIDLEY FOR SMASH! RIDLEY FOR SMASH!

LOL And this is proof that Ridley is the moss badass Nintendo villain.

 

[Lukingordex]

Bowser Jr. has a potential to become a totally unique character,he really do not need to become a clone or a semi-clone.