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That must explain why Mario Party 9 is being developed by a different company.About that Bomberman argument. I actually thought "death" of Hudson improved his chances.
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That must explain why Mario Party 9 is being developed by a different company.About that Bomberman argument. I actually thought "death" of Hudson improved his chances.
Probably because Mario Party was getting closer to being s**t with each game.That must explain why Mario Party 9 is being developed by a different company.
Mario Party 7 looked pretty amusing, especially with its 8-player feature.Probably because Mario Party was getting closer to being s**t with each game.
I hate Wario's moveset in Brawl. I wanted him to have a moveset based on his abilities in the Wario Land games, not based on his WarioWare personality.
I wouldn't exactly trust companies with cross-overs for new third-party characters just because they've done it. For exactly, I have my doubts about anyone except Sega, Konami, and Capcom getting involved.Mario_and_Sonic_Guy said:If we're talking about Nintendo's relationship with 3rd parties, Sega and Square Enix have been involved with at least one Mario crossover. At least you can see why I've been targeting those two companies as possible 3rd parties for Smash Bros. Wii U.
For most other 3rd parties, I'm at a neutral position.
The fact that he appeared in a Smash-style like game proves nothing. Snake got in, Bomberman didn't. All it shows that he appeared in a game. I highly doubt that game had a significant part in Snake's inclusion anyway.disfunkshunal said:Bomberman is a logical third party inclusion. He has SSB-style gaming experience after appearing in DreamMix TV World Fighters for the GameCube. No other third party character other then Bomberman has appeared on a SSB style game on a Nintendo console except for Snake, and look where he is now.
I wouldn't be so sure of us getting twelve newcomers. IMO, there are only ten potential newcomers that stand a good chance of getting in. Even so, my problem with your list:Arcadenik said:am pretty sure we will get at least 12 newcomers. I THINK the 12 most likely newcomers would probably be:
Mega Man + 41 other characters would be enough for me to get this game, providing that of course the game has great reviews, but that's just me. For a boring rep, try Ryu. Good addition, but would be a bit of overkill to add him into yet another cross-over, whereas Mega Man has not appeared in one since 2000 (Classic version, original release).Shortiecanbrawl said:Megaman is the smart choice, I get it. He is pretty much the most boring choice as well. I just hope he doesn't end up a snorefest when it comes to his moveset. As weird as this may sound, I would prefer Jill Valintine over Megaman when it comes to Capcom characters. I hope Square Enix gets their hands into the SSB4 jar. They are only company I would be excited to see (almost) any of their characters get in.
I think the max that SSB4 should have is five or six, anything else is an overkill. Third-party involvement should be gradual throughout each installment, not just a massive flow now.vVv Rapture said:Nintendo needs more crossovers.
What? Konami is probably not going to take the time with a franchise to include two characters, especially not one from a dead franchise. There is no way the death of Hudson Soft improves Bomberman's chances.Jaklub said:About that Bomberman argument. I actually thought "death" of Hudson improved his chances.
Bring something to the table. If you're not going to offer us something to discuss, don't bother complaining or ordering us to change the subject.Nine said:why talk about rosters? We need to support gameplay!!!!!!!:o
I certainly agree with you. I haven't played Wario Land since WarioWorld. I was like, 12. But I remember enough to want a moveset that isn't based off WasioWare.I hate Wario's moveset in Brawl. I wanted him to have a moveset based on his abilities in the Wario Land games, not based on his WarioWare personality.
You need to be more specific. Leon who? I'm assuming that you're not talking about the Star Fox character.
The way they called him Leon just made me facepalm, but still be aren't going to be seeing any FF character, maybe Dragon Quest has a chance aside from Geno.Leon is what Squareenix renamed Squall from FF VIII in Kingdom Hearts with his redesign because they didnt think he was emo enough
Exactly, Pieman! I wanted Wario to be something like a grappler with a Wario Land moveset. Here's my Wario Land moveset for Wario.Well actually, Wario does have the shoulder tackle, which is his primary means of attack. Still, I do agree that Wario needs a bit of a moveset change. In the Land games, he grabs and throws stuff a lot more than other platform protagonists, so its surprising he doesn't come off as a grappler in Brawl.
I see what is likey more like this:The way they called him Leon just made me facepalm, but still be aren't going to be seeing any FF character, maybe Dragon Quest has a chance aside from Geno.
Why two retro characters? We had Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch in Melee. We had Pit and R.O.B. in Brawl. So, I can see at least two retro newcomers in SSB4.I wouldn't be so sure of us getting twelve newcomers. IMO, there are only ten potential newcomers that stand a good chance of getting in. Even so, my problem with your list:
- Why two retro character? Duck Hunt Dog is hated and other retro characters have not made a significant impact the way Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. has. The only likely choice we have now is Takamaru. It's either him or no new retro rep and his status as a retro character a debatable.
- Where is Ridley? I see at least a 90% of him getting in due to massive fan demands.
- I don't think a fifth Zelda rep stands a good chance at all. Tingle is not well-liked, Ghirahim is a one-shot villain, and the Toon Zelda/Sheik would be a clone of Zelda/Sheik, which we do not need. The best we can hope for is Young Link to replace Toon Link, which even then, isn't much of anything, just a cosmetic change (Hopefully more then that, but I have my doubts about them trying to make Young Link more unique).
- The only two new series with a good chance of getting reps are Sin & Punishment and Punch-Out!! (Thought Little Mac is a shoe-in, I'll give you that). Golden Sun and Starfy may be exclusive to the 3DS since none of their titles have appeared on the handheld. Other suffers from relevancy issues, lack of popularity, and not being important to Nintendo. Even Custom Robo is at risk since a title has not appeared for nearly five years.
- Where's Mega Man? You call a fifth Zelda rep and a second retro rep likely yet don't take into account that Mega Man is easily the most likely third-party character to be playable.
Well while choices 1, 3, and 5 seem probable we aren't likely so see Sora or Cloud for that matter, even if they have made an appearance on the Nintendo handhelds, it's highly unlikely.I see what is likey more like this:
1. Final Fantasy Oringal characters: (Black Mage, White Mage)
2. Final Fantasy Other characters: (Squall, Cloud)
3. Dragon Quest Character: (Hero, Slime, Joker)
4. Kingdom Hearts Character: (Sora)
5. Super Mario RPG Character: (Geno)
Again, I wouldn't mind any of these, minus the #2 choice.
I'd pay to see it.Black Mage vs. Meta-Knight!
I would be fine with Geno (and Mallow) in a Smash Bros. game if it is a spin-off game featuring nothing but Mario/Donkey Kong/Yoshi/Wario characters and Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest characters.Well while choices 1, 3, and 5 seem probable we aren't likely so see Sora or Cloud for that matter, even if they have made an appearance on the Nintendo handhelds, it's highly unlikely.
Unless we get a really and I mean real high demand for those two, we aren't likely to see them over Geno, the Mages though might but leans more to unlikely.
Black Mage vs. Meta-Knight!
Granted Punch-Out!! just had a Wii game but people would probably consider Little Mac classic. That'd probably make Mac the most likely classic addition.Why two retro characters? We had Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch in Melee. We had Pit and R.O.B. in Brawl. So, I can see at least two retro newcomers in SSB4.
People don't actually hate the Duck Hunt Dog, they LOVE TO HATE the Duck Hunt Dog. There is something memetic about hating the Duck Hunt Dog for the heck of it. As for not doing anything significant, well, tell that to the Ice Climbers. No one even knew they existed until they showed up in Melee. At least a lot of people knew who is the Duck Hunt Dog before the Internet became commonplace in the late 1990's.
Regarding Wario's move set, the only thing that needs to be fixed up is his inadequate Final Smash, which needs to have a better KO ratio.
- You've mentioned Muddy Mole so I just want to say that this is among Shigeru Miyamoto's least known works. Our "WTF" character is going to have to be someone that has either been significant to Nintendo's past or has sold well. Muddy Mole is neither and will probably not get in as a result of this. Ice Climbers did sell well for it's time at 1.5 million, so some gamers remember them. As for Duck Hunt Dog, if the character is hated, that means it's probably not getting in. Duck Hunt Dog would **** off more people then R.O.B. did when he was revealed to be playable. Reason being is that R.O.B. is not hated. If Duck Hunt Dog was made playable, this would break Sakurai's guideline that character must not be hated in general.Why two retro characters? We had Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch in Melee. We had Pit and R.O.B. in Brawl. So, I can see at least two retro newcomers in SSB4.
People don't actually hate the Duck Hunt Dog, they LOVE TO HATE the Duck Hunt Dog. There is something memetic about hating the Duck Hunt Dog for the heck of it. As for not doing anything significant, well, tell that to the Ice Climbers. No one even knew they existed until they showed up in Melee. At least a lot of people knew who is the Duck Hunt Dog before the Internet became commonplace in the late 1990's.
As for no Ridley, well, he isn't exactly a shoe-in. Sakurai didn't even add Ridley in Brawl even though a lot of people wanted Ridley in Brawl. Some people said Ridley was too big to be in Brawl, and then Ridley was actually too big in Brawl, proving the Ridley detractors right.
As for a fifth Zelda rep, I never said a "fifth" Zelda rep. I merely said a "new" Zelda rep. For all we know, we could have four Zelda characters with Tingle taking the fourth slot. At least Tingle is recurring and has his own spin-off series and he won't be a clone of anyone (Toon Zelda will be a clone anyway).
As for Mega Man, there is absolutely no guarantee that third-party characters will be in Smash. Sure, he is likely but I digress. My list consisted of Nintendo characters only and it is all MY opinion.
I don't know what to choose. Starship or observatory.I was thinking the Comet Observatory at one point. Of course, like I said before, Rosalina would be limited to being Peach's alternate outfit pick.
I would play as him.I know that this guy is never going to make it, but how would you react if Justin Bieber was made playable in Super Smash Bros. 4?[COLLAPSE="My Reaction"]I would laugh my butt off and use him as a punching bag.[/COLLAPSE]
Snake and Sonic might be cut from SSB because their guestsOk, one thing I want to bring up, do you think that we're going to be seeing more newcomers with transformations? This is probably one of the few character topics not discussed to death.
Me personally, I can't really see any coming, but there is the slight chance of us getting a Female/Rival Pokemon Trainer.I think in this case they won't really focus on newcomers that much. Granted, newcomers do get a lot of attention towards fans, but Sakurai must also be very careful with cutting characters to make room for newcomers. Cutting anyone but these character would cause a huge uproar in the community:
- Lucario (Replaced by Zoroark/Victini (latter is preferable to me)
- Lucas (Replaced by ???)
- Wolf (Replaced by ???)
- Toon Link (Replaced by Young Link/Fierce Diety Link)
- Sonic
- Snake (He and Sonic, it depends on whenever or not there are two new Nintendo newcomers in return. Add in three if no new third-party character shows up as well)
It's not much of a crossover but what about tecmo and nintendo? DOA 3DS has that geothermal powerplant stage with Ridley and Samus.If we're talking about Nintendo's relationship with 3rd parties, Sega and Square Enix have been involved with at least one Mario crossover. At least you can see why I've been targeting those two companies as possible 3rd parties for Smash Bros. Wii U.
For most other 3rd parties, I'm at a neutral position.
Takamaru's was the third worst, Metroid was the second worst. I'm only noting this because there was a several thousand copy divide between the three.@ Super Smash Bros. Fan
EDIT: Also, sales doesn't mean much. Kid Icarus was the worst-selling NES game on the GBA, with Takamaru's game being the second-worst. Sakurai added Pit instead of Takamaru.
If Square Enix joins smash, I'm sure Slime is the rep. I like the guy. It's just that I'd prefer either Cecil, Bartz or Terra (Even though they look out of place).Megaman is the smart choice, I get it. He is pretty much the most boring choice as well. I just hope he doesn't end up a snorefest when it comes to his moveset. As weird as this may sound, I would prefer Jill Valintine over Megaman when it comes to Capcom characters. I hope Square Enix gets their hands into the SSB4 jar. They are only company I would be excited to see (almost) any of their characters get in.
I agree with the size argument, arguing that any character won't make it in because of size issues is irrelavent.- The size argument is full of garbage and it always will be. Ridley has been scaled up and scaled down throughout th- Like I said, not many people like Tingle (At least here in America). Japan is not the only country in the world Sakurai has to worry about. Japan may love their Tingle, but I don't see the same love extending towards the rest of the world. Also, Toon/Young Link can be made original, the developers just need to put some effort in.
RidleyThere's been something I've been wondering about when it comes to the first trailer. Brawl's first trailer revealed five new characters in order to build hype for the game and I think they made some good choices. There were two very popular characters from big franchises, a new female, a retro character, and a third party character. Suppose they were to follow this formula again, who do you think would fit the bill best?
Yeah, but why not have a surprise in the trailer? Just like Snake.Most LIKELY, there will be a capcom rep and that's Mega Man.
...if Square-Enix owns Geno 100%, then why aren't they doing anything with him, honestly since he's only been seen in a Mario based game, Square should just work something out with Nintendo and hand him over, it would definetly be in favor for fans, since Square hardly or and never uses the ****** character.Square Enix owns him 100%. Square Enix owns all the rights to all the original characters in SMRPG.
The whole point was IF the trailer followed the same mold who would we expect. No one is saying anything else, it was out of fun. Stop getting so worked up over nothing, it isn't healthy.Can we quit the damn square-enix talk ? and btw don't go and tell something about third party character because they are unreliable, we might get surprised with 0 third character always remember : All character are controlled by one company except 3rd party character bargaining with third party companies might fail some times so never have high hopes.