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I got school starting September 6th so I still got quite awhile to go. Those starting school in August you live in the south right?

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I got school starting September 6th so I still got quite awhile to go. Those starting school in August you live in the south right?

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Lucky you, pretty much everybody around here starts very soon, it's kinda exciting though to say the least.

@Barbasol: Oh I see, are you still going with F-Zero and such?

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@ Omega

Nah, I'm not going to bother with a second group... though I may turn Begnion over to you at some point since I'll be really busy in a week or two for a whole year while taking my course.
 

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I have an interesting question for everyone on character rosters.

I was looking at making a new character roster but I came to a few strategies. Now I know Sakurai will stuff as many characters as he can into a game but what kind of characters.

Would you rather see all the Brawl Veterans with a few Newcomers or sacrifice a few vets to add more Newcomers?

And on the Newcomers what would you want to see more of? New franchise characters (e.g. Issac, Saki, Little Mac, etc...) or characters from already featured Genres (e.g. Toad, Dixie Kong, Samurai Goroh, Krystal, etc...)?

I was just using those characters as an example and it doesn't matter what you choose.
 

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Well, I'd say most of the new logical series choices, like: Bowser Jr, Toad, Krystal, Ridley, Black Shadow, Lyn/Black Knight/etc, King K Rool... are FAR less interesting than new series characters like Isaac, Ray, Starfy, Andy, Duck Hunt Dog, Tom Nook, Takamaru, Sukapon, Rawk Hawk....

So for me, I'd prefer new franchises. It would make a lot of sense to cut some characters from franchises that have fallen out of favor too, like Falco, Wolf, Lucas/Ness, just to add others.
 

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Agreed, they're pretty much the only new Nintendo characters in recent years and with more and more games in the Wii series since Brawl and now being on the 3DS and Wii U (New Super Mario Bros. Mii) it's almost guranteed they're going to be in.

Plus Sakurai has stated that there haven't been very many new Nintendo characters in recent years. He may have been hinting somewhat at them in addtion to other speculated characters.

While I believe that statement is only half true (We have a few new characters, not as popular and prominent as Mario, Link, or the Mii's albeit, that could bring something to Smash. I think he just needs to either brush up on Nintendo's newer games/general library, or take suggestions from his peers and fans much more seriously. I honestly think the Mii's are becoming an Icon of Nintendo. Only time will tell though. They remind me like R.O.B, they sort of opened up the casual market and did Nintendo a lot of good. Similar to how R.O.B saved the video game market in America back whenever that happened. (Forgot the date). They're characters that did some real good, without being anything really awesome. :p

Anyways, I think Sakurai should seriously either:

A. Look at all of Nintendo’s titles(old and new), and seriously consider what they're offering

or,

B. Take Fan/Peer suggestions to heart.

I'm pretty sure I start sometime in Spetember, more around mid September :D
 

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Well considering that Smash might grow in numbers as far as the Wii-U's handlebility goes I'd say Sakurai might want to add more characters from both existing and new franchises as well, the number of characters that I'm expecting for this is roughly around 47/48 with tranformations included, though this is saying if he only adds a few from both newer franchises.

I'm actually am trying to be pessimistic and not think the Smash 4 will be overcrowded with new reps and such, that is just wishful thinking which I don't want Sakurai dissapointing and shatterring at the end.

As for any newcomer that I see have a potential that relates to new franchises are:

•Little Mac
•Saki
•Takumaru
•Saki ( Sin & Punishment)
•Lip
•Starfy (maybe)


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Well considering that Smash might grow in numbers as far as the Wii-U's handlebility goes I'd say Sakurai might want to add more characters from both existing and new franchises as well, the number of characters that I'm expecting for this is roughly around 47/48 with tranformations included, though this is saying if he only adds a few from both newer franchises.

I'm actually am trying to be pessimistic and not think the Smash 4 will be overcrowded with new reps and such, that is just wishful thinking which I don't want Sakurai dissapointing and shatterring at the end.

As for any newcomer that I see have a potential that relates to new franchises are:

•Little Mac
•Saki
•Takumaru
•Saki ( Sin & Punishment)
•Lip
•Starfy (maybe)
Honestly, Sakurai sees major flaws with most of the smaller fanchises. Little Mac can only punch, Tom Nook is too much of a "Nice Guy", and so on and so forth. I really see him grabbing two or three of the more popular Smaller Franchise/Titles. I think that's why most were added as AT's.

Takamaru
Isaac/Matthew
Starfy
Shulk
Kanan/Main Protagonist of TLS

are just a few of the characters I see him not having problems with, gameplay wise. I mean, these characters aren't benevolent, they fight. They have more than just "punching" on their side, and they have limbs and no crippling attributes. (Like needing ramps to fight)

Honestly, the series he has picked for Smash so far, are Nintendo's elite. I mean with the exception of the WTF/Retro characters. Characters like Krystal, Bowser Jr, and Ridley really have their shot this time around, I believe.
 
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@Shortiecanbrawl: Personally, I think Krystal had her best shot in Brawl. Since she didn't get in, I have my doubts about her returning due to relevancy issues, popularity considerably dropping (I used to support her just for the sake of having an unique Star Fox rep, but otherwise, she didn't interest me, thus why I dropped her), and less important then Falco/Wolf. That's not to say I'm against her inclusion or think her chances are completely gone, I just think that there are far more deserving characters and that what chances she has left is marginal at the very best.
 

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@Shortiecanbrawl: Personally, I think Krystal had her best shot in Brawl. Since she didn't get in, I have my doubts about her returning due to relevancy issues, popularity considerably dropping (I used to support her just for the sake of having an unique Star Fox rep, but otherwise, she didn't interest me, thus why I dropped her), and less important then Falco/Wolf. That's not to say I'm against her inclusion or think her chances are completely gone, I just think that there are far more deserving characters and that what chances she has left is marginal at the very best.
I don't think Krystal had any better of a chance to get into Brawl as she does to get into SSB4. In fact... I don't see how it makes sense that a character would have a worse chance after more time passes... seems more logical that if anything, more time increases their chances, since perhaps more games involving that character might have been made... which isn't the case for Krystal anyways.
 

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and less important then Falco/Wolf.
False sir, false. Falco is a worse version of Luigi. He is the "second fiddle" who may have been in more games than Krystal, but has never been as important or prominent in any of the games he has appeared in. Krystal being a major character in Adventure, and a Love interest throughout every game she's been in, only further belittles Falco's importance. He's Luigi, except less important, and not nearly as prominent. Wolf, has a better case going for him, but still, he's like Wario. He's just the Anti-Hero/Rival of the main character who really isn't even that bad of a guy. I mean, he isn't even the main villain of the series.

Krystal just has a better role in the series. That being said, her chances were better in Brawl, but she isn't out of the ballgame. With the Wii U coming up, SFWii U could happen, where she is likely to appear.

I don't think Krystal had any better of a chance to get into Brawl as she does to get into SSB4
Meh, I don't think her chances are any lower this time around, only because Star Fox basically only has her as a viable choice, and she's probably going to get a decent amount of votes in the upcoming poll. She isn't a Daisy, so, she'll be back when another SF is released.
 

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I don't see why Little Mac only having punching moves is a problem.... in fact, I think it would be interesting, seeing how many different kinds of punches he could do.

It's not like there aren't characters where nearly every single attack is a sword slash or a hammer attack. Why should punches be any different for a boxer?
 

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I don't see why Little Mac only having punching moves is a problem.... in fact, I think it would be interesting, seeing how many different kinds of punches he could do.

It's not like there aren't characters where nearly every single attack is a sword slash or a hammer attack. Why should punches be any different for a boxer?
It's not my problem, it's Sakurai's. I'll look for a link if you need one/interested?
 

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I don't think Krystal had any better of a chance to get into Brawl as she does to get into SSB4. In fact... I don't see how it makes sense that a character would have a worse chance after more time passes... seems more logical that if anything, more time increases their chances, since perhaps more games involving that character might have been made... which isn't the case for Krystal anyways.
Star Fox 3DS negates whatever advantage she may have had. As Miyamoto has stated, if Star Fox 3DS sells well they will continue with the series and probably make another title. If it doesn't, I see Star Fox going the way of Megaman; or closer to the subject, F-Zero. As it stands now, you people will hate me for this, Slippy Toad stands the best chance of any Star Fox character to be "next in line". It may hurt but it is the truth.
 

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Honestly, the series he has picked for Smash so far, are Nintendo's elite. I mean with the exception of the WTF/Retro characters. Characters like Krystal, Bowser Jr, and Ridley really have their shot this time around, I believe.
To be frank, I really don't think Starfy would make so much sense, Im guessing Sakurai might disregard his body stature and create an entirely unique moveset based on his personality, this of course is saying if Starfy 5 is taken as good game in Japan and his popularity is actually good enough on Sakurai's poll in Japan.

As for Krystal, I agree with what SSBFan stated, we already have Wolf & Falco added in Brawl, personally I don't believe Wolf nor Falco are going to be going anywhere, Krystal may be a furry but her chances IMO have somewhat diminished since Brawl, the only way she would have a reasonable shot at it is if Sakurai for some reason showed interest in her or if the Starfox franchise gets a new game with Krystal's inclusion which I'm pretty much am doubting ATM.

Overall I don't believe we'll be getting 4 Starfox reps, it nit as big of a franchise as Mario or Pokemon, but again this is not to say that it wouldn't happen if Sakurai found a reason to do so or basically shows interest in the series for some reason.


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Star Fox 3DS negates whatever advantage she may have had. As Miyamoto has stated, if Star Fox 3DS sells well they will continue with the series and probably make another title. If it doesn't, I see Star Fox going the way of Megaman; or closer to the subject, F-Zero. As it stands now, you people will hate me for this, Slippy Toad stands the best chance of any Star Fox character to be "next in line". It may hurt but it is the truth.
Meh, I'm not so sure. I don't see why Star Fox 3DS negates her chances. So the game doesn't have her in it... that's because it's an old game. It's not like it's a new entry in the series. It's almost the same as porting it to virtual console.

That's not to say I think she has a good chance. I don't.

It's not my problem, it's Sakurai's. I'll look for a link if you need one/interested?
I would actually love to see links to Sakurai's various reasons for not giving certain characters further consideration. For characters like Ridley, for instance, as well as perhaps anything else. This thread is the first time I've heard about Sakurai talking about why characters didn't get put in.
 

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Star Fox 3DS negates whatever advantage she may have had. As Miyamoto has stated, if Star Fox 3DS sells well they will continue with the series and probably make another title. If it doesn't, I see Star Fox going the way of Megaman; or closer to the subject, F-Zero. As it stands now, you people will hate me for this, Slippy Toad stands the best chance of any Star Fox character to be "next in line". It may hurt but it is the truth.
Agreed, the way I see it is if a character in a said series is popular and possibly relevant then I'd say their chances definetly do increase by a degree in order to be considered, but of course there are always other factors for determining a characters chances as well.

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Agreed, the way I see it is if a character in a said series is popular and possibly relevant then I'd say their chances definetly do increase by a degree in order to be considered, but of course there are always other factors for determining a characters chances as well.
Exactly, relevancy is becoming less and less important. Sakurai said he may have to look at characters from older games to add. Besides, adding Slippy over Krystal is like adding Toad over Peach. Slippy is just less important, end of story.

Here you go Hex, my own(outdated) personal library of links ;)

64 Info

A list of unused character for 64, Melee, and Brawl.


Melee Info

An actual Melee poll translation.
Melee Fan translations Also, ArcadeNik and Smashchu posting presunably as wee lads.

Brawl Info

Sakurai Fanmail responses. Both Translated/Non-Translated. Curtiosy of SamuraiPanda
A list of characters on the SSBB poll.
Original Brawl Trailer. (With Epic Fanboys)
Iwata asks interview, Brawl style!
Press conferance pre Brawl release, 2006.
2008 GDC presentation of Brawl. Curtiosy of Thinkaman
An interview more oriented towards Sakurai's view on creating Smash Bros (Brawl in particular)
another post Brawl interview with Sakurai
Inafune's feelings on Megaman in Smash.

SSB4 Info

Our first look into SSB4. A Sakurai Iwata interview
Project Sora Website - SSB Design application suggesting: Work beings October 2011, for 2 - 3 years
Suda51 would like to see Travis Touchdown in a future Smash

Wii U Info

Wii U information

Unconfirmed rumors

Pit, Peach, and Meowth Rumored to be planned for SSB64
Rumored SSB4 Start screen: Super Smash Bros Strife
 
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Did anyone get the invite to PCAM Social Group? Just wondering.

Also, I'm going to sleep since as I said before, I have work at 6 in the morning. Will be free starting about 3 PM and all of tomorrow so I have time to go back through the thread and respond.
 

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Whoa! Alot of links you have there , going to check those out.

But yes, basically since Sakurai mentioned that there are a "lack" of franchises as of now I could probably mean we'll see lesser characters such as Krystal, of course not necessarly her but such others who aren't as big as Ridley or K.Rool for example.


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I thinks it's stupid how ssb4 won't start being made until another game is out.
 

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Whoa! Alot of links you have there , going to check those out.

But yes, basically since Sakurai mentioned that there are a "lack" of franchises as of now I could probably mean we'll see lesser characters such as Krystal, of course not necessarly her but such others who aren't as big as Ridley or K.Rool for example.


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On the opposite end of the scope, sakurai could also add less characters this time around because he doesn't find very many more interesting
 

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I have an interesting question for everyone on character rosters.

I was looking at making a new character roster but I came to a few strategies. Now I know Sakurai will stuff as many characters as he can into a game but what kind of characters.

Would you rather see all the Brawl Veterans with a few Newcomers or sacrifice a few vets to add more Newcomers?

And on the Newcomers what would you want to see more of? New franchise characters (e.g. Issac, Saki, Little Mac, etc...) or characters from already featured Genres (e.g. Toad, Dixie Kong, Samurai Goroh, Krystal, etc...)?

I was just using those characters as an example and it doesn't matter what you choose.
If necessary, I might cut a couple of veterans in order to gain more interesting or worthy newcomers. The order I'd remove characters in would probably be:
Snake
Sonic (Both are third-party characters and so just "quests" in a Nintendo game)
Wolf (Star Fox isn't quite a three-character franchise)
Toon Link (We can get by with one Link)
Lucas (Much like Star Fox's situation, Mother doesn't really need two reps for itself)

Then I would add in mostly new franchise characters, since I feel they should have priority over more characters for existing franchises. The only franchises represented in Smash Bros. right now that are really deserving of a new character are Metroid and arguably Donkey Kong.

Honestly, Sakurai sees major flaws with most of the smaller fanchises. Little Mac can only punch, Tom Nook is too much of a "Nice Guy", and so on and so forth. I really see him grabbing two or three of the more popular Smaller Franchise/Titles. I think that's why most were added as AT's.

Takamaru
Isaac/Matthew
Starfy
Shulk
Kanan/Main Protagonist of TLS

are just a few of the characters I see him not having problems with, gameplay wise. I mean, these characters aren't benevolent, they fight. They have more than just "punching" on their side, and they have limbs and no crippling attributes. (Like needing ramps to fight)

Honestly, the series he has picked for Smash so far, are Nintendo's elite. I mean with the exception of the WTF/Retro characters. Characters like Krystal, Bowser Jr, and Ridley really have their shot this time around, I believe.
Isaac and Starfy are definitely deserving to be playable characters this time around.

Shulk, Kanan, or Elza (the protagonist of Last Story, just so you know) would all be cool characters and could represent the power of fans in Nintendo if their games make it overseas, but only one character fro many of those two games would be necessary.

Takamaru has great moveset potential and Sakurai apparently likes the guy and his game, but he doesn't really represent an actual franchise, nor does he really catch my eye as someone that absolutely should be in SSB4.

Ridley is the most deserving new Nintendo character for SSB4. Bowser Jr. is also a good choice for Mario and I prefer him over Toad and Paper Mario, but I feel the latter two are more deserving for a slot in the roster than Jr. and would put them in over Jr. if I had to decide.

I don't think Star Fox needs four characters, so I'd leave Krystal out if it was up to me.
 

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How do you guys feel about some of the super-old franchises getting a character in? Much like how Ice Climbers was put into Melee.

Obviously, they aren't the most popular characters, but I see Smash as a way to sort of celebrate Nintendo's heritage, great and small.

I imagine Sakurai perhaps including one or two really ancient characters.
 

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How do you guys feel about some of the super-old franchises getting a character in? Much like how Ice Climbers was put into Melee.

Obviously, they aren't the most popular characters, but I see Smash as a way to sort of celebrate Nintendo's heritage, great and small.

I imagine Sakurai perhaps including one or two really ancient characters.
Takamaru does come to mind with that statement.
 

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Sakurai mentioned he doesn't want to do region specific characters. I honestly don't get why people are so obsessed with Takamaru, most haven't even played his game... He's just some samurai, really... I mean, you want a samurai? Go with Goroh or Lyn for a similar fighting style. XD
 

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Sakurai mentioned he doesn't want to do region specific characters. I honestly don't get why people are so obsessed with Takamaru, most haven't even played his game... He's just some samurai, really... I mean, you want a samurai? Go with Goroh or Lyn for a similar fighting style. XD
But he also mentioned that region specific characters aren't totally out of the question, given the results brought upon by the Fire Emblem characters' inclusion in Melee.
 

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Sakurai mentioned he doesn't want to do region specific characters. I honestly don't get why people are so obsessed with Takamaru, most haven't even played his game... He's just some samurai, really... I mean, you want a samurai? Go with Goroh or Lyn for a similar fighting style. XD
Agreed. I find nothing very interesting about Takamaru at all, no matter if she's likely. Plus, I just don't understand why so many people love samurais/ninjas/anime warriors in general.

Goroh and Lyn, IMO, would be better reps than Takamaru in this case.
 

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i never even heard of the ice climbers until melee, i was like, wow who are those clowns. well, until i figured out how much damage they do
Same for me about Pit until Brawl. I had the trophy in Melee, but to me, it was just another trophy of some obscure Nintendo character.
 

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But he also mentioned that region specific characters aren't totally out of the question, given the results brought upon by the Fire Emblem characters' inclusion in Melee.
Right, but remember, Fire Emblem is WAAAAAY more significant than Nazo no Murasame-jō. We are talking about a franchise that had ~7 titles, and was very popular in Japan. Even when it made it in, remember that those two characters were going to be Japan exclusive. Sakurai didn't intend to move them over as he doesn't find that region specific character design to be appealing. Nintendo of America decided to include them instead because they simply liked the characters.

@Java

Thank you, See? Java gets it. Although Takamaru is a guy. XD
 

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Right, but remember, Fire Emblem is WAAAAAY more significant than Nazo no Murasame-jō. We are talking about a franchise that had ~7 titles, and was very popular in Japan. Even when it made it in, remember that those two characters were going to be Japan exclusive. Sakurai didn't intend to move them over as he doesn't find that region specific character design to be appealing. Nintendo of America decided to include them instead because they simply liked the characters.

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Thank you, See? Java gets it. Although Takamaru is a guy. XD
During the pre-Brawl days, when I was a lurker, someone mentioned Takamaru as a female and supported him because the user thought "we need more females in Smash!" The gender pretty much stuck in my mind, even now. XD

I agree that Takamaru is insignificant, but Sakurai said that if Takamaru appeared in another game, he would probably be in Smash Bros. And Samurai Warriors 3 - a game which also happened to release in the U.S., I believe - features Takamaru.

I'm not sure if Sakurai includes a remake included as a bonus mode in an otherwise unrelated game of an otherwise unrelated franchise as part of a franchise for Takamaru, but if so, Takamaru is pretty likely simply because of Sakurai's bias.

I don't really support Takamaru, but I must admit he is simply likely.
 

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Right, but remember, Fire Emblem is WAAAAAY more significant than Nazo no Murasame-jō. We are talking about a franchise that had ~7 titles, and was very popular in Japan. Even when it made it in, remember that those two characters were going to be Japan exclusive. Sakurai didn't intend to move them over as he doesn't find that region specific character design to be appealing. Nintendo of America decided to include them instead because they simply liked the characters.

@Java

Thank you, See? Java gets it. Although Takamaru is a guy. XD
Oh of course. I didn't even know who the heck Takamaru was until about 20 minutes ago.

That being said... what are some super popular Japan-only Nintendo franchises?
 

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Oh of course. I didn't even know who the heck Takamaru was until about 20 minutes ago.

That being said... what are some super popular Japan-only Nintendo franchises?
Takamaru is, at least according to people on Smash Boards.
Tingle is REALLY popular, as he spawned a spinoff series called Tingle's Rupeeland.
Sukapon was popular during melee, but Sakurai cryptically said 'not to expect him'
In terms of Fire Emblem, people used to like Sigurd/Siglud.

That's all I can recall.

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I agree that Takamaru is insignificant, but Sakurai said that if Takamaru appeared in another game, he would probably be in Smash Bros. And Samurai Warriors 3 - a game which also happened to release in the U.S., I believe - features Takamaru.

I'm not sure if Sakurai includes a remake included as a bonus mode in an otherwise unrelated game of an otherwise unrelated franchise as part of a franchise for Takamaru, but if so, Takamaru is pretty likely simply because of Sakurai's bias.

I don't really support Takamaru, but I must admit he is simply likely.
Mmm, I'm not so sure I agree though. Samurai/Dynasty warriors features a lot of crossover characters. Just look at Dynasty Warriors Gundam, which is chock-full of crossovers from various universes. Just because he crops up there, I think Koei just wanted to give a nod to the first ever Samurai character.
 

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Oh of course. I didn't even know who the heck Takamaru was until about 20 minutes ago.

That being said... what are some super popular Japan-only Nintendo franchises?
Nazo no Murasame Jo, despite not really being a franchise, is the only one I can think of. It's mostly somewhat popular in Japan because it's game was held by Japanese gamers in a similar regard to Legend of Zelda and Kid Icarus, which were both also released in the same year.

After that, there's some lesser Japan-only characters that have popped up in character speculations - Prince Sable, DeMille, Sukapon -, but they don't really represent a franchise and aren't very popular with the possible exception of Sukapon. (I know Oasis likes him at least)

EDIT: @Barbasol:
I believe that is indeed what happened, but I don't know if Sakurai knows that.

Nevertheless, Sakurai said he would only add Takamaru in if "if there is ever another Nazo no Murasamejou game with Takamaru". I don't think Samurai Warriors 3's bonus mode - which is only a remake of the original game - really fits along this line. So you have a point.

EDIT
Anyways, here's something to talk about. What do you want the Challenger Approaching! screen to look like in SSB4?

Melee's Screen:


Brawl's Screen:
 

MechaWave

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Got to look dope with school starting on the 13th
Wow, the 13th. I start on August 22nd and end the school year on May 31st. Last year it ended on June 4th and there was no early release. Someone got smart this year, though. :D Also I have loads of free time after school so I'll still be pretty active.

Would you rather see all the Brawl Veterans with a few Newcomers or sacrifice a few vets to add more Newcomers?
I'd like to see all the Brawl veterans except some don't have to return, specifically R.O.B and Lucario who should be replaced with Mewtwo. Then again, they can still both be in together.

I'd like some newcomers as well. I don't have any in particular, but I'd like Paper Mario and Krystal. Unlike the previous two consoles Sakurai can incorporate all characters from every game beforehand and include brand new characters, probably like 1-2 new characters for each franchise while new franchises can come in. The Wii U has that capability. He could bring back the Missing 5 from Melee, still keep R.O.B. and still have enough space for around 60+ characters.

There also needs to be more female characters. As I said Krystal has to be included this time around. That's 4, and I think Lyn from Fire Emblem can be included as well.

Also for the people that care I'll be updating the Paper Mario moveset (in my signature) later tonight with the grabs, pictures and explain his playstyle to prevent questions about confusion later.
 

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I want the "Challenger Approaching" screen to not look like crap. Unlike Melee and Brawl.

Or rather, I want every aspect of the UI to not look like crap.
 
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