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Is PCAM already invoved with Begnion?
Also Young Horsetail created a Starfy group if anybody is interested.
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Also Young Horsetail created a Starfy group if anybody is interested.
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Yep, Project Begnion has linked up. I put a link to PCAM prominently on the main page, and vice versa.Is PCAM already invoved with Begnion?
Also Young Horsetail created a Starfy group if anybody is interested.
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Lucky you, pretty much everybody around here starts very soon, it's kinda exciting though to say the least.I got school starting September 6th so I still got quite awhile to go. Those starting school in August you live in the south right?
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Don't remind me...Well depending on what region you live in, you might be going back to school next week. =P
Agreed, they're pretty much the only new Nintendo characters in recent years and with more and more games in the Wii series since Brawl and now being on the 3DS and Wii U (New Super Mario Bros. Mii) it's almost guranteed they're going to be in.
Plus Sakurai has stated that there haven't been very many new Nintendo characters in recent years. He may have been hinting somewhat at them in addtion to other speculated characters.
Honestly, Sakurai sees major flaws with most of the smaller fanchises. Little Mac can only punch, Tom Nook is too much of a "Nice Guy", and so on and so forth. I really see him grabbing two or three of the more popular Smaller Franchise/Titles. I think that's why most were added as AT's.Well considering that Smash might grow in numbers as far as the Wii-U's handlebility goes I'd say Sakurai might want to add more characters from both existing and new franchises as well, the number of characters that I'm expecting for this is roughly around 47/48 with tranformations included, though this is saying if he only adds a few from both newer franchises.
I'm actually am trying to be pessimistic and not think the Smash 4 will be overcrowded with new reps and such, that is just wishful thinking which I don't want Sakurai dissapointing and shatterring at the end.
As for any newcomer that I see have a potential that relates to new franchises are:
•Little Mac
•Saki
•Takumaru
•Saki ( Sin & Punishment)
•Lip
•Starfy (maybe)
I don't think Krystal had any better of a chance to get into Brawl as she does to get into SSB4. In fact... I don't see how it makes sense that a character would have a worse chance after more time passes... seems more logical that if anything, more time increases their chances, since perhaps more games involving that character might have been made... which isn't the case for Krystal anyways.@Shortiecanbrawl: Personally, I think Krystal had her best shot in Brawl. Since she didn't get in, I have my doubts about her returning due to relevancy issues, popularity considerably dropping (I used to support her just for the sake of having an unique Star Fox rep, but otherwise, she didn't interest me, thus why I dropped her), and less important then Falco/Wolf. That's not to say I'm against her inclusion or think her chances are completely gone, I just think that there are far more deserving characters and that what chances she has left is marginal at the very best.
False sir, false. Falco is a worse version of Luigi. He is the "second fiddle" who may have been in more games than Krystal, but has never been as important or prominent in any of the games he has appeared in. Krystal being a major character in Adventure, and a Love interest throughout every game she's been in, only further belittles Falco's importance. He's Luigi, except less important, and not nearly as prominent. Wolf, has a better case going for him, but still, he's like Wario. He's just the Anti-Hero/Rival of the main character who really isn't even that bad of a guy. I mean, he isn't even the main villain of the series.and less important then Falco/Wolf.
Meh, I don't think her chances are any lower this time around, only because Star Fox basically only has her as a viable choice, and she's probably going to get a decent amount of votes in the upcoming poll. She isn't a Daisy, so, she'll be back when another SF is released.I don't think Krystal had any better of a chance to get into Brawl as she does to get into SSB4
It's not my problem, it's Sakurai's. I'll look for a link if you need one/interested?I don't see why Little Mac only having punching moves is a problem.... in fact, I think it would be interesting, seeing how many different kinds of punches he could do.
It's not like there aren't characters where nearly every single attack is a sword slash or a hammer attack. Why should punches be any different for a boxer?
Star Fox 3DS negates whatever advantage she may have had. As Miyamoto has stated, if Star Fox 3DS sells well they will continue with the series and probably make another title. If it doesn't, I see Star Fox going the way of Megaman; or closer to the subject, F-Zero. As it stands now, you people will hate me for this, Slippy Toad stands the best chance of any Star Fox character to be "next in line". It may hurt but it is the truth.I don't think Krystal had any better of a chance to get into Brawl as she does to get into SSB4. In fact... I don't see how it makes sense that a character would have a worse chance after more time passes... seems more logical that if anything, more time increases their chances, since perhaps more games involving that character might have been made... which isn't the case for Krystal anyways.
To be frank, I really don't think Starfy would make so much sense, Im guessing Sakurai might disregard his body stature and create an entirely unique moveset based on his personality, this of course is saying if Starfy 5 is taken as good game in Japan and his popularity is actually good enough on Sakurai's poll in Japan.Honestly, the series he has picked for Smash so far, are Nintendo's elite. I mean with the exception of the WTF/Retro characters. Characters like Krystal, Bowser Jr, and Ridley really have their shot this time around, I believe.
Meh, I'm not so sure. I don't see why Star Fox 3DS negates her chances. So the game doesn't have her in it... that's because it's an old game. It's not like it's a new entry in the series. It's almost the same as porting it to virtual console.Star Fox 3DS negates whatever advantage she may have had. As Miyamoto has stated, if Star Fox 3DS sells well they will continue with the series and probably make another title. If it doesn't, I see Star Fox going the way of Megaman; or closer to the subject, F-Zero. As it stands now, you people will hate me for this, Slippy Toad stands the best chance of any Star Fox character to be "next in line". It may hurt but it is the truth.
I would actually love to see links to Sakurai's various reasons for not giving certain characters further consideration. For characters like Ridley, for instance, as well as perhaps anything else. This thread is the first time I've heard about Sakurai talking about why characters didn't get put in.It's not my problem, it's Sakurai's. I'll look for a link if you need one/interested?
Agreed, the way I see it is if a character in a said series is popular and possibly relevant then I'd say their chances definetly do increase by a degree in order to be considered, but of course there are always other factors for determining a characters chances as well.Star Fox 3DS negates whatever advantage she may have had. As Miyamoto has stated, if Star Fox 3DS sells well they will continue with the series and probably make another title. If it doesn't, I see Star Fox going the way of Megaman; or closer to the subject, F-Zero. As it stands now, you people will hate me for this, Slippy Toad stands the best chance of any Star Fox character to be "next in line". It may hurt but it is the truth.
Exactly, relevancy is becoming less and less important. Sakurai said he may have to look at characters from older games to add. Besides, adding Slippy over Krystal is like adding Toad over Peach. Slippy is just less important, end of story.Agreed, the way I see it is if a character in a said series is popular and possibly relevant then I'd say their chances definetly do increase by a degree in order to be considered, but of course there are always other factors for determining a characters chances as well.
On the opposite end of the scope, sakurai could also add less characters this time around because he doesn't find very many more interestingWhoa! Alot of links you have there , going to check those out.
But yes, basically since Sakurai mentioned that there are a "lack" of franchises as of now I could probably mean we'll see lesser characters such as Krystal, of course not necessarly her but such others who aren't as big as Ridley or K.Rool for example.
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If necessary, I might cut a couple of veterans in order to gain more interesting or worthy newcomers. The order I'd remove characters in would probably be:I have an interesting question for everyone on character rosters.
I was looking at making a new character roster but I came to a few strategies. Now I know Sakurai will stuff as many characters as he can into a game but what kind of characters.
Would you rather see all the Brawl Veterans with a few Newcomers or sacrifice a few vets to add more Newcomers?
And on the Newcomers what would you want to see more of? New franchise characters (e.g. Issac, Saki, Little Mac, etc...) or characters from already featured Genres (e.g. Toad, Dixie Kong, Samurai Goroh, Krystal, etc...)?
I was just using those characters as an example and it doesn't matter what you choose.
Isaac and Starfy are definitely deserving to be playable characters this time around.Honestly, Sakurai sees major flaws with most of the smaller fanchises. Little Mac can only punch, Tom Nook is too much of a "Nice Guy", and so on and so forth. I really see him grabbing two or three of the more popular Smaller Franchise/Titles. I think that's why most were added as AT's.
Takamaru
Isaac/Matthew
Starfy
Shulk
Kanan/Main Protagonist of TLS
are just a few of the characters I see him not having problems with, gameplay wise. I mean, these characters aren't benevolent, they fight. They have more than just "punching" on their side, and they have limbs and no crippling attributes. (Like needing ramps to fight)
Honestly, the series he has picked for Smash so far, are Nintendo's elite. I mean with the exception of the WTF/Retro characters. Characters like Krystal, Bowser Jr, and Ridley really have their shot this time around, I believe.
Takamaru does come to mind with that statement.How do you guys feel about some of the super-old franchises getting a character in? Much like how Ice Climbers was put into Melee.
Obviously, they aren't the most popular characters, but I see Smash as a way to sort of celebrate Nintendo's heritage, great and small.
I imagine Sakurai perhaps including one or two really ancient characters.
But he also mentioned that region specific characters aren't totally out of the question, given the results brought upon by the Fire Emblem characters' inclusion in Melee.Sakurai mentioned he doesn't want to do region specific characters. I honestly don't get why people are so obsessed with Takamaru, most haven't even played his game... He's just some samurai, really... I mean, you want a samurai? Go with Goroh or Lyn for a similar fighting style. XD
Agreed. I find nothing very interesting about Takamaru at all, no matter if she's likely. Plus, I just don't understand why so many people love samurais/ninjas/anime warriors in general.Sakurai mentioned he doesn't want to do region specific characters. I honestly don't get why people are so obsessed with Takamaru, most haven't even played his game... He's just some samurai, really... I mean, you want a samurai? Go with Goroh or Lyn for a similar fighting style. XD
Same for me about Pit until Brawl. I had the trophy in Melee, but to me, it was just another trophy of some obscure Nintendo character.i never even heard of the ice climbers until melee, i was like, wow who are those clowns. well, until i figured out how much damage they do
Right, but remember, Fire Emblem is WAAAAAY more significant than Nazo no Murasame-jō. We are talking about a franchise that had ~7 titles, and was very popular in Japan. Even when it made it in, remember that those two characters were going to be Japan exclusive. Sakurai didn't intend to move them over as he doesn't find that region specific character design to be appealing. Nintendo of America decided to include them instead because they simply liked the characters.But he also mentioned that region specific characters aren't totally out of the question, given the results brought upon by the Fire Emblem characters' inclusion in Melee.
During the pre-Brawl days, when I was a lurker, someone mentioned Takamaru as a female and supported him because the user thought "we need more females in Smash!" The gender pretty much stuck in my mind, even now. XDRight, but remember, Fire Emblem is WAAAAAY more significant than Nazo no Murasame-jō. We are talking about a franchise that had ~7 titles, and was very popular in Japan. Even when it made it in, remember that those two characters were going to be Japan exclusive. Sakurai didn't intend to move them over as he doesn't find that region specific character design to be appealing. Nintendo of America decided to include them instead because they simply liked the characters.
@Java
Thank you, See? Java gets it. Although Takamaru is a guy. XD
Oh of course. I didn't even know who the heck Takamaru was until about 20 minutes ago.Right, but remember, Fire Emblem is WAAAAAY more significant than Nazo no Murasame-jō. We are talking about a franchise that had ~7 titles, and was very popular in Japan. Even when it made it in, remember that those two characters were going to be Japan exclusive. Sakurai didn't intend to move them over as he doesn't find that region specific character design to be appealing. Nintendo of America decided to include them instead because they simply liked the characters.
@Java
Thank you, See? Java gets it. Although Takamaru is a guy. XD
Takamaru is, at least according to people on Smash Boards.Oh of course. I didn't even know who the heck Takamaru was until about 20 minutes ago.
That being said... what are some super popular Japan-only Nintendo franchises?
Mmm, I'm not so sure I agree though. Samurai/Dynasty warriors features a lot of crossover characters. Just look at Dynasty Warriors Gundam, which is chock-full of crossovers from various universes. Just because he crops up there, I think Koei just wanted to give a nod to the first ever Samurai character.Java said:I agree that Takamaru is insignificant, but Sakurai said that if Takamaru appeared in another game, he would probably be in Smash Bros. And Samurai Warriors 3 - a game which also happened to release in the U.S., I believe - features Takamaru.
I'm not sure if Sakurai includes a remake included as a bonus mode in an otherwise unrelated game of an otherwise unrelated franchise as part of a franchise for Takamaru, but if so, Takamaru is pretty likely simply because of Sakurai's bias.
I don't really support Takamaru, but I must admit he is simply likely.
Nazo no Murasame Jo, despite not really being a franchise, is the only one I can think of. It's mostly somewhat popular in Japan because it's game was held by Japanese gamers in a similar regard to Legend of Zelda and Kid Icarus, which were both also released in the same year.Oh of course. I didn't even know who the heck Takamaru was until about 20 minutes ago.
That being said... what are some super popular Japan-only Nintendo franchises?
Wow, the 13th. I start on August 22nd and end the school year on May 31st. Last year it ended on June 4th and there was no early release. Someone got smart this year, though. :D Also I have loads of free time after school so I'll still be pretty active.Got to look dope with school starting on the 13th
I'd like to see all the Brawl veterans except some don't have to return, specifically R.O.B and Lucario who should be replaced with Mewtwo. Then again, they can still both be in together.Would you rather see all the Brawl Veterans with a few Newcomers or sacrifice a few vets to add more Newcomers?