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But Marth isn't that simple when you think about it. There are a lot of complex combos/counters that Marth can perform. His triple counter being the fan-favorite when in tourneys for its quick and precise nature. Perhaps on face value, Marth is simple, but I guess it ties into the mentality thing of which we discussed last night.
Interesting theory, and it makes sense. Still, if one aspect of Marth was overpowered (see: Marth's Melee range and arguably his tipper), then it makes it more likely it will be broken. Thus, if such a character like Marth has anything involving such moves too weak/strong, likely they will be too weak/strong. Still, you are, in a sense, right IMO. It does make it easier to balance, although you have to have a lot of faith in your people in charge of balancing that they don't mess everything up!
I have a theory that because Ganondorf was seen as "overpowered" in Melee (even though he's like 11th or 12th on the tiers; honestly, I think he's like 14th best), that the Brawl development team tried to "unbreak" Ganondorf when he wasn't broken at all. (really everyone who acts like Ganondorf in Melee is OP hasn't faced many elite Melee players)Well, except Ganonsuck/Faildorf.
Remember that Smash is not designed for the play they are trying to achieve in Project M. So trying to move characters to that end isn't going to always work well. For Dedede, he has a strange blend of faster move and slower stronger moves. This works well in a large brawl since you can strategies and find opening for it. Harder with a lot of people.
Guess I'm not the only one.
What? Last I checked, the American players were the overly defensive ones. If the Japanese do play it like Street Fighter, then they're just being smart about playing.
In Brawl, no. Americans are very aggressive. They attack whenever. Just watch Ocean vs M2K. Ocean played really safe while M2K didn't.
Honestly, I think Mario and Samus are both higher than Ganondorf. The main reason I think Mario is so low is because he's basically a weaker Doc. As for Samus, there aren't a lot of Samus players, but the top Samus players (specifically HugS) have consistent success.
Again with this dance for popularity concerns. I don't care for them.
The problem is King Dedede is made for a slow, defense game with minimal offense, and even at that, he is average without his chain grab game. If you put King Dedede's style in Smash 64, he becomes a sandbag because he has little offense and is easy to juggle. If you put him in Melee, he's too slow to be able to space well, and his power is minimal.
I could have sworn Ally (a Canadian player) won APEX 2012. Also, the few Japanese players who did well were fairly unknown. Once people learn how to adapt to them (much like the Europeans who had good initial shows in Melee in American but since then have faded into obscurity; aka most European players), they probably won't do as good.
That's why Iblis is a much better dancer than you.
That's exactly what I was referring to. That hurts all of these characters so bad (except the Pikachu one), and it requires way more work to balance.
S***ty Silver Second place.
You missed what I said. The Brawl I play is different from the one your talking about.
Apex Results
Do you have gameplay videos of these players? I'm used to seeing the Japanese play with a more offensive style while American players camp.
[COLLAPSE="Lucas:"]Lucas doesn't need much changes. Maybe a slightly changed neutral B, a different forward B, and a different down B, but that's it. Oh, and a longer flying PK Thunder for Lucas and Ness. That and maybe he needs maybe a few more of his moves to come out faster. Oh, and double jump cancelling for several of his moves (if he doesn't already have it). Also, I think it is worth mentioning that after PK Thunder, Lucas (and Ness) shouldn't be in a helpless state. Lucas should at least be able to use his tether recovery.[/COLLAPSE][COLLAPSE="Wolf:"]Wolf just needs a slightly different up B, a somewhat different neutral B, and maybe a new-ish down B (or a new approach to it). That and Wolf feels like he's not "there yet." He's kinda like a prospect in whatever that feels "raw" and not trained enough and without a clear direction of where he is headed. If both of that is changed, Wolf will be deadly in Smash 4/5. Project M Wolf is a good example of what Wolf could be in smash with a "clear direction."[/COLLAPSE][COLLAPSE="Pit:"]Pit needs to stop having lame players. Whether gliding stays or not, dump his up B or make it faster and come out as an "attack" and move quicker (because that slow move is dumb). Make Pit's down B work as more of a counter move. Change Pit's forward B into something that actually does something.
[/COLLAPSE][COLLAPSE="Zero Suit Samus"]Not a whole lot needs to be changed. ZSS was pretty good in Brawl. Just make her more streamline for an offensive game, maybe improve her recovery, and maybe make her a tad vulnerable to being juggled.[/COLLAPSE]
