New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Mitsuo]

It has nothing to do with pressing buttons and moving the control stick. That's the thing, pressing the buttons and moving the control stick is about as deep as platforming gets. But in fighting games there is a lot of knowledge of technical things that create a much deeper experience using the very shallow blocks that is the platforming. Therefore, I am good at the basics, more so than the average person, but knowledge and consistency that is required in being good at fighting games, I lack.

Technicallity? It's still button pressing... Up, Down, Right = Hadouken. We're talking legit coding operations here, everyone!

 

[nLiM8d]

Hand eye coordination, timing, reads for button presses. Get on your feet!

 

[Mitsuo]

Hand eye coordination, timing, reads for button presses. Get on your feet!

It's Rhythm Heaven with a life bar!

 

[Holder of the Heel]

There are clearly different mentalities involved with platforming and fighting. Not sure how everyone is thinking they mesh together because they both involve pushing buttons. Absurd. Being good at one genre does not equate to being good at all, I thought that is common sense.

 

[nLiM8d]

Being good at one genre does not equate to being good at all, I thought that is common sense.

You JUST foiled your own argument!

It's Rhythm Heaven with a life bar!

Percentages to be accurate to that!

 

[Conviction]

Good chess players are good in Smash.

It's about thinking and pressing buttons. It's about thinking.

What were you saying?

 

[Mitsuo]

There are clearly different mentalities involved with platforming and fighting. Not sure how everyone is thinking they mesh together because they both involve pushing buttons. Absurd. Being good at one genre does not equate to being good at all, I thought that is common sense.

Mentalities... Hmm... But based on your original statement of both playing into each other, dear lord sir, you are contradicting yourself! Iblis, I need an objection up in here!

 

[Holder of the Heel]

How so? I am saying being good at Smash Brothers requires the mentality to understand platforming and fighting?

My body isn't ready for this.

For example, a person who is good at strictly fighting games is not going to pick up Smash Brothers and hit it off as easily as he would with a more traditional fighter.

 

[Conviction]

@Holder: http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5854065

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I am very good at Smash. I suck at MvC3. Technical aspect/prowess(?) plays a role here.

 

[Mitsuo]

How so? I am saying being good at Smash Brothers requires the mentality to understand platforming and fighting?

My body isn't ready for this.

But you said being good at Platforming = semi-skill in Brawl...

And besides, unless the next Smash is on the X-Box Connect or some other full body motion system, you don't have to move more than the muscles in your hands. I never thought this would be overly difficult... Learn something new everyday...

 

[Conviction]

You are in a minority Poppy or lying.

My friends who were minorly or at least moderately good in Smash go over to MvC3 and place. APEX 2012 is a good example.

Concepts translate from fighter to fighter unless it's 2D to 3D but they still hold some of the some stuff. Are you sure you are good at Smash?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

False Iblis, did I not say I was decent despite sucking at one? But being good at both is imperative to being excellent.


And yes Mitsuo, that IS what I said. How does that contradict what I'm saying?

And Iblis, I'm not saying concepts don't transfer over. .___. It is also not surprising that people who like Smash Bros. like other fighting games. Did I not say Smash Bros. is half fighting? Fighter players are obviously going to be capable of enjoying it, and they will have an advantage when first picking Smash up, but if they suck at platformer games, they are going to have to learn those basic. They aren't playing their typical 2D fighting game anymore. My argument wasn't that people aren't going to have some advantage, my argument is not that they aren't going to enjoy it, my argument is that SMASH IS MORE THAN THAT.

You guys are making me want to step away from this place. >___>

 

[nLiM8d]

Don't let it discourage you, we're just having fun with our perspectives.

Basically, it read like your having competence at platforming carries over to your abilities in this style of a fighting game.

When later you mentioned that being good in one aspect of the field doesn't relate to the whole field.

Am I reading it right?

 

[~automatic]

Mitsuo came to argue. I wonder what his agenda is.

 

[Oasis_S]

Don't let it discourage you, we're just having fun with our perspectives.

Is there no greater war than those between ideas.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

It is just everytime I say something obvious lately, it causes some sort of debate. I'll come back later.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Oh my dog, this conversation.

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[Conviction]

You don't get it. The player vs. player vs. stage aspect of Smash does not require platformer skills.

If you can't take this I'm sad to say I thought of you as one of the better post. :-/

@Bread: Why do we speculate this adsfsaadsfasfsafasfsafthis is a videogameasdfasdfasfasfasfsaf

 

[Mitsuo]

False Iblis, did I not say I was decent despite sucking at one? But being good at both is imperative to being excellent.


And yes Mitsuo, that IS what I said. How does that contradict what I'm saying?

And Iblis, I'm not saying concepts don't transfer over. .___. It is also not surprising that people who like Smash Bros. like other fighting games. Did I not say Smash Bros. is half fighting? Fighter players are obviously going to be capable of enjoying it, and they will have an advantage when first picking Smash up, but if they suck at platformer games, they are going to have to learn those basic. They aren't playing their typical 2D fighting game anymore.

You guys are making me want to step away from this place. >___>

Simple there, my friend, you stated, and I quote, that "Your body is not ready for this." You do not use your full body to execute an attack, just a simple push of the button. If you require your full body to do this, then I extend my deepest empathy.

Platforming is just, as you said, jump and run. Perhaps some other concepts, but that is the very basics. Fighting is run and attack. Same idea. Please Holder, explain the, quote, different mentalities, that your argument in barely surviving on.

 

[Conviction]

You nitpicked that so hard and you know it LOL

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Here's the end all statement: Sakurai will do what he does with Smash U/3DS and we will live with it. Until someone mods it.

Boom.

Also, Mits, please tell me that evaluation you made of Holder saying "my body is not ready" is not serious.

Tell me that. Please.

 

[nLiM8d]

Mitsuo came to argue. I wonder what his agenda is.

Random spectators came to spout one liners, there's no question to what their intentions are.

 

[Conviction]

Here's the end all statement: Sakurai will do what he does with Smash U/3DS and we will live with it. Until someone mods it.

Boom.

Sounds like it.

Boom.

/end thread

 

[---]

I'm only minorly good at Smash, good enough that I can beat most any casual (I win tournments all the time on my campus and gaming club), but I can't win against an actual competitive player (lost to a Ganondorf by a non-Ganondorf main).

With MvC3, I can only do a few basic Bread and Butter combos with a few characters, and can only complete about half of the missions in mission mode. I've never tried playing online yet ironically enough, I don't even have a true team yet.

Any other fighter I suck completely at. I'm guessing you're in a similar boat Poppy?

 

[Conviction]

Sounds like it Have you tried learning the ******** amount of infinites in the game?

 

[Mitsuo]

@Automatic- My Agenda is filled with various activities like Sleeping and Eating as I live my day to day life. These events can occur in any order, as you may assume, and I'll call your hand and say, yes, I have no life. However, even in this self-pity session, you came to call me out for calling out Holder. What, pray tell, is your agenda?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Have you ever tried sleeping and eating at the same time?

 

[nLiM8d]

Its better than Drinking Food!

 

[GiantBreadbug]

AUUUUUGH THIS IS THE MOST NEEDLESSLY ARGUMENTATIVE DAY EVERcaps

Did I do it right, Oasis?

 

[Mitsuo]

Yeah, I ended up in the Hospital later that night for having a delicious Pizza Bite lodged in my throat. Would not recommend it.

 

[Conviction]

That is Forbidden Ancient Chinese technique

@Bread: Bring something to the table and then you did, not Strong enough

 

[Oasis_S]

If you were trying to be me, then you can never be right in trying something so wrong.

Also it's "HUUUUARRGH."

 

[nLiM8d]

Rips shirt*

 

[Conviction]

That hard read though

"I'm always mad"

 

[GiantBreadbug]

It was much more the "caps" at the end of my terribly masculine caps that was a reference to Oasis.

HUUUUUUARRRGH. There, I feel better.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

MvC3: The only character I'm REMOTELY good with is Tron. And I just end up using the same attack over and over again...

Meanwhile, in Smash, I excel. Good with nearly every character.

 

[Oasis_S]

Did you throw your chest out.

 

[nLiM8d]

For what other reason but to exhale a mighty roar?

RAWR

 

[Mitsuo]

So that's what shattered my windows... You sir, owe me a new window...