New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Disfunkshunal]

I think palutena is 70:30 which is more A tier than S tier, but definitely higher than 20:80.

@habanero
BBAMM IMO.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

If Megaman gets in then I'm hopign Simon Belmont gets in too if only so we can have the Cast of Captain N fight it out.

 

[Johnknight1]

Smash needs the Castlevania stage in Project M.

Also, if Mega Man is playable, Simon Belmont would be a great Assist Trophy character, and Dracula a great boss.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So the topic of Palutena (Not Paletuna) is still fresh in my brain, what about a hypothetical Kid Icarus Smash Taunt? Like, you do the Smash Taunt with Pit and ether Palutena, Viridi, or Hades will appear and discuss details about your opponent. Palutena for the heroic characters, Viridi for the adorable characters, and Hades for the villains and anti heroes.

Basically think Snake's codac, but Kid Icarus related instead.

 

[Deleted member]

And on another note, Street Fighter is a bigger series for Capcom, and Ryu is constantly whor'd (have to abbreviate or it censors) out for fighting games, so ideally, Ryu would be the better choice to use, especially since he'd be easy to fit in with his moves.
People only want Mega Man because of his connections to Nintendo, which, if that's why Slime is a poor choice, it makes Mega Man a poor choice.
It's clear that Mega Man is only wanted because he's a Capcom character.
Truefax.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Golden
Pretty much Mega Man's retro connections to the NES for Mega Man 1-6 (and 7 on the SNES) is why we all want him.

That is also a big reason why those of us who remembers those days get all googily nostalgic over the idea of Mega Man in smash.

New topic: I've been playing DKC1 a lot this week. Friggen the entire soundtrack needs to be in Smash. I can't think of a forgettable song in that game. DKC2's music is only better.

However, I still love the remixes.

 

[Deleted member]

@ Golden
Pretty much Mega Man's retro connections to the NES for Mega Man 1-6 (and 7 on the SNES) is why we all want him and get all googily nostalgic over the idea of Mega Man in smash.

Precisely.
So according to SmashChu's logic on Slime, Mega Man is also not as good a choice.
Which is the point I'm trying to make.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

So the topic of Palutena (Not Paletuna) is still fresh in my brain, what about a hypothetical Kid Icarus Smash Taunt? Like, you do the Smash Taunt with Pit and ether Palutena, Viridi, or Hades will appear and discuss details about your opponent. Palutena for the heroic characters, Viridi for the adorable characters, and Hades for the villains and anti heroes.

Basically think Snake's codac, but Kid Icarus related instead.

Talk to horsetail he already made lots of possible palutena codecs.

Gasp! Golden censor dodged which is a direct violation of the TOS 2nd heading, 1 subtitle: level one offenses.
And Falcon is my preferred capcom rep anyway.

 

[N3ON]

So the topic of Palutena (Not Paletuna) is still fresh in my brain, what about a hypothetical Kid Icarus Smash Taunt? Like, you do the Smash Taunt with Pit and ether Palutena, Viridi, or Hades will appear and discuss details about your opponent. Palutena for the heroic characters, Viridi for the adorable characters, and Hades for the villains and anti heroes.

Basically think Snake's codac, but Kid Icarus related instead.

I'm guessing this will happen on the Kid Icarus stages, and Horsetail has already written up some great hypothetical conversations for this. I think it's mostly between Pit and Palutena though. I never thought about Viridi or Hades, but I'm guessing at least those four will have "codec" conversations. I'd love me some Thanatos though.

edit: ninja'd!

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Golden
There is no clear cut super formula. It's more of a "gut call" and more of a feel-based thing.

Continuing on my point with music, That is why I think there needs to be more direct (remastered?) imported songs in smash. Like what happened with the Star Wolf theme. There are 2 versions of it in Brawl. One that is a redone version of the Star Fox 64 version of the song. Another that is a direct import from Star Fox Assault.

Do that with most songs, and everyone is happy. Don't just have the classic Green Hill Zone theme, but an awesome remix. Don't just have an awesome orchestrated version of the Zelda overworld theme, but an imported version from the original LOZ/A Link to the Past.

This idea = win!

 

[SmashChu]

More like those points are why you feel Slime is a bad choice. Especially since AGAIN, you keep saying there is a "lack of moves", which is a load of horse****.

While I agree that Mega Man is the choice to go, Slime is not a bad choice at all, and to try to prove that he isn't is a waste of time and energy.

I'm going to keep going back to the three points as a whole because you only want to look at each thing under a microscope and be done. You aren't taking the time to understand the whole and thus get my point.

I say Slime has nothing because (list again)
1)He has no arms, so immediately, you have to rethink EVERY attack he could have. You also have to think how he'll grab or holdd items. This is a huge limiting factor for his entire character design
2)He does nothing in the games. Slimes don't have special abilities and all they will do is turn into other Slimes (like stack and king). Dragon Quest Monsters has them have a few spells. From there, you have very little to work on.

Also, you talk about how it's BS that I say Slime has no moves or couldn't work, but yet you never challenged it besides saying "No, your wrong."

EDIT:Saw your post on Ryu. Again, this is NOT about Megaman. That is just one example. The point was to say that there are better options people would like more and people should pick characters based on if they want them or not and not "this represents X company which needs to happen for some reason." Bolded it because this is the whole point of the argument in the first place. Like I said, your to busy looking at smaller points and missing the big picture.

 

[ChronoBound]

Slime is definitely the mascot for Dragon Quest. However, I don't think there will be a Square-Enix character for Smash 4. I am not sure, but I remember there being an interview for Playstation All-Stars and a question pertaining to Cloud getting in came up, and the response was that getting in a guest character from Square-Enix would be particularly tricky due to a variety of different reasons (lots of control for one, possibly royalties being another).

 

[Deleted member]

I've given you examples, but I guess it's not enough unless I actually make a frigging essay about it, since you don't seem to want to take the time to research Rocket Slime.

And if you seriously have to think about how he'll grab or hold items, then you don't know anything about Rocket Slime. I'd explain, but I'll just put it in my essay.

EDIT: Actually, this should cover some of my points: http://evilwaluigi.deviantart.com/gallery/28186409#/d4moyin
Granted, it's specifically Rocket Slime, but it covers how Slimes can fight and one way how they grab.

EDIT AGAIN: Seems ViewtifulGene already did my job for me long ago....http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-/60885641

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Golden
Link SmashChu a few different movesets, or show him some videos of Slime fighting if you want to "convince him" that Slime can "fight."

I definitely agree about the Final Smash Brawl's design. Wolf Landmaster Brawl's stale defensive tactics, minimal single-player additions, voice acting, online, stage builder, and gameplay ideas dropped from Smash 64 and Melee that were replaced by inferior ideas was a lazy cop out.

Fixed the subject and meaning of this post to make it more truthful.

 

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The new issue of Nintendo Power hit my newstand early (is supposed to be out on Tuesday), so I read the Sakurai interview in it.

It was mostly on Uprising, but it had 4 Smash related Questions:

1. That he's glad he put Uprising before Smash in priority.
   
2. That he's glad several Brawl composers were able to help out with Uprising's music.
   
3. The question from the other day.
   
4. That he regrets announcing Smash as early as he did as he has nothing to show at the moment and that he fears that he'll upset the fanbase.

Pretty much deconfirms Smash at E3 IMO.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I knew Smash Bros. being in this years E3 wasn't going to happen. But at least there is next year.

 

[Johnknight1]

I dunno about "deconfirms Smash at E3." I just think it deconfirms something huge happening at E3, like what happened when Brawl was 1st unveiled. Seriously, Brawl's 1st trailer was the best FREAKING TRAILER I HAVE EVER SEEN!!! That trailer had so much hype, it was ridiculous.

I think what we'll get at E3 (if anything) inevitably will be "small beans" compared to what happened when Brawl was unveiled at E3 a few years back.

 

[ChronoBound]

I still think we will hear something about Smash 4 at this year's E3.

 

[N3ON]

That he regrets announcing Smash as early as he did as he has nothing to show at the moment and that he fears that he'll upset the fanbase.

Pretty much deconfirms Smash at E3 IMO.

Aww.

Although I guess it's not that surprising, he's probably not even past the pre-production stage. We might still get a name or something though.

Time to redirect all my hopes to Starfox and F-Zero. :foxbrawl: :falconbrawl:

 

[Deleted member]

Another moveset: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-/59748201

Yes, this is from GameFaqs, but when serious movesets are involved, they do a pretty good job.

EDIT: And I don't see why there'd be a problem anyway, since Sonic's moveset was pretty uninspired and bland...

EDIT AGAIN: And whether you say it counts or not, Sports Mix nulls the "can't grab items" thing with the hockey stick.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Chrono
So do. Probably just hype (like E3 2007 I think it was with Brawl, probably minus the short teaser trailer).

Maybe we will get:
-A few pictures. Maybe just one that may raise many questions, like when Skyward Sword was revealed at E3 2 years ago.
-The names of the games being revealed.
-Basic concepts (new and old) for these forthcoming games.
-What to expect.
-The graphics.
-Maybe a new feature.
-A new controller (specifically something like a traditional controller that is worthy of being the GameCube controller's successor).
-How the 2 will interact with each other.
-A few characters (probably veterans.)
-A short trailer with little detail or anything shown. Like all it says it "Super." "Smash." "Bros." "*insert title here*" and maybe Mario in super duper HD, and that's it!

Obviously expecting more than 1-3 of those things seems a bit much.

 

[N3ON]

Unrelated but G4's Wii U predictions are hilariously awful, as always.
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/po...nce-2012-predictions-are-you-ready-for-wii-u/

I really hope this is the year that Nintendo grows up and allows some more mature games into their library. Maybe a Halo-clone?

...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@GY: Although Sonic did use moves from his own games. Homing Attack, Spin Attack, Spin Dash, Shadow Rocket(his Air Down A is stolen from Shadow in Sonic Battle), and of course, Super Sonic. Also, he does Punch and stamp someone's foot in Sonic the Fighters. His moveset is bland, but uninspired isn't entirely accurate.

As for Slime, he can fight, easily. As can any animal as well.

 

[Johnknight1]

G4 is awful at everything Nintendo-related. And I hardly consider Halo "grown up." More like "grown down to stupidity." Seriously, that is one of the most overrated series ever. The same goes for Call of Booty. Honestly I consider people picking their boogers and scratching their butt as more "adult" than the average Halo or Call of Booty fan. Freaking makes me wish I could abort people's children for them!

Fans of those games and G4 can kiss my butt while I play better and REAL FPS' like Team Fortress, Doom, Unreal Tournament, 007: GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, and Counter-Strike.

Also, this song from Fire Emblem 13 is perfect, and needs to be in Smash 4. The same goes for this charming and unforgettable song from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.

EDIT: This song should be linked every time someone says something unexpected or super dramatic.

 

[Deleted member]

@GY: Although Sonic did use moves from his own games. Homing Attack, Spin Attack, Spin Dash, Shadow Rocket(his Air Down A is stolen from Shadow in Sonic Battle), and of course, Super Sonic. Also, he does Punch and stamp someone's foot in Sonic the Fighters. His moveset is bland, but uninspired isn't entirely accurate.

As for Slime, he can fight, easily. As can any animal as well.

Uninspired as in, he has a bunch of cool moves in his disposal that involve wind, like the Sonic Wind, Sonic Tornado, his projectile in Sonic Battle, etc., and instead, most of his moves involve him spinning in some way. (Note, not just spinning in a ball, I mean spinning in general.)

 

[Johnknight1]

Sonic just needs less predictability in his moveset and more priority in a lot of moves. Oh, and a move that kills at least decently.

This can be Chrono's theme since he's stuck in the 90's.

 

[Deleted member]

Didn't even have to click it to know what it was.

EDIT: Guess I did. I thought it was Running in the 90s.....

 

[Gallowglass]

Unrelated but G4's Wii U predictions are hilariously awful, as always.
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/po...nce-2012-predictions-are-you-ready-for-wii-u/



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lol thanks for reminding why I stop watching G4.

Though a "Halo-clone" is a mental idea I think they might be on to something. Of course you have your classic family oriented games but since they're coming out sooner than any other developer It might be interesting in pulling a few mature games to draw in those xbox and ps players before they can get a system. I'm thinking remakes of various classic games that had a mature theme to begin with.

Double Dragons
Contra
River City Ransom

I think you draw them in while please the nostalgia critics. Well that's if they can make a really good remake which seems hard to do.

 

[Johnknight1]

Didn't even have to click it to know what it was.

Pretty much.

Regardless, I need to find everybody a true and distinguished theme like that. That would be pretty dope.

 

[Deleted member]

Funny thing, someone was giving out themes, I asked them what mine was, and they never said...
Screw it, I'm giving myself a theme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vav3-b0MR5g&feature=related
This fits in so many ways....

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Uninspired as in, he has a bunch of cool moves in his disposal that involve wind, like the Sonic Wind, Sonic Tornado, his projectile in Sonic Battle, etc., and instead, most of his moves involve him spinning in some way. (Note, not just spinning in a ball, I mean spinning in general.)

Well, wasn't he also famous for spinning overall? But I get what you mean.

I think that if he had a Projectile, he would be a bit too good. He's still balanced right now. He just lacks killing power outside of Super Sonic. His Smashes are okay, well, Smash Forward A works, but not that well.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah Golden, we need to figure out what your real "theme song" is. That theme song was just an all-around d**k theme song, which oddly suits you.

I came up with the Metroid Prime Bounty Hunters theme as my battle theme.
My entrance theme would be the DKC2 Kaptain K. Rool boss fight theme.
My chill theme is the Shop/Drug Store theme from EarthBound.

I still need a "Theme Theme" song.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

So many themes, and I'm stuck wondering what mine are... It's a shame, really...

I found my chill theme, at least.
And my battle theme.

 

[Johnknight1]

...



...I found Golden's theme song...

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Entrance theme.

Also, LOL John. I've heard that before, but not the actual video.

 

[Johnknight1]

Shut up Poppy, this is your theme song.

This can be shortie's theme while we're at it.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Shut up Poppy, this is your theme song.

This can be shortie's theme while we're at it.

I only have three words: No. Absolutely not.

 

[Johnknight1]

By the way, this is my theme when I urinate.

This song should play whenever someone has diarrhea (see: 5:15).

Edit: It is also a FACT that this song plays whenever someone gets preggers.

 

[Metal Overlord]

No trailer, huh

I knew it, glad I didn't get my hopes up

At least we'll get one next E3, though

 

[Johnknight1]

I still got my bet down that we'll get a trailer in the range of August to November.

Also, I want to put this song on Lylat Cruise in the next Smash Bros. That is, of course, assuming the Lylat Cruise stage returns.