New Smash Bros for WiiU

[yani]

Yeah, the whole

Spoiler

Zanza, Monado, Bionis, Alvis

thing actually confused the crap out of me, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. XP

Zanza should be playable. And Yaldabaoth.

This is easily my favorite Wii game! I'm going to do NG+ and try to go for 100%

A sequel would definitely be interesting. Here's to hoping it becomes a series

 

[Deleted member]

Lucario? More likely to come back than Diddy or Pokemon Trainer? lol

Read more closely. He gave Diddy Kong a much higher score than Lucario (Lucario is in the 50/50 range).

 

[ChronoBound]

I think Takamaru being one of the first newcomers unveiled would bode very well for Samurai Goroh to getting in (though Goroh would likely be a hidden character). I don't see Sakurai making an entirely new moveset for a character from a series being in hiatus since 2004.

 

[N3ON]

Undercutting their chances usually indicates personal displeasure with the character. I'm guessing this guy wasn't wild about alot of the new additions in Brawl.

I still can't get over Fox not having 100% though. I mean... what?

@Chrono
agreed. I could see Goroh getting a mix of Takamaru and Captain Falcon's moveset if added as a clone. Not that he should, but at least the katana moves would make sense. And Falcon doesn't have enough illogical clones already

 

[ChronoBound]

The only aspect of Captain Falcon's moveset that I see working into Samurai Goroh's moveset is that I can see Samurai Goroh's Final Smash being very similar to Captain Falcon's Final Smash.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

After looking at that page, I think that a lot of the percentages are just ridiculous. Why Fox's odds are lower than Falco's is beyond me.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

This is easily my favorite Wii game! I'm going to do NG+ and try to go for 100%

A sequel would definitely be interesting. Here's to hoping it becomes a series

100%? Dang man that would take so much time and effort! But you should totally do it, I've been slacking on my NG+ progress. You're getting my hyped up to go work on it though! There are mobs level 100 to all the way to 120. I want them slain! D<

And here's to a sequel. :D You know the ending makes that idea possible.

 

[N3ON]

The only aspect of Captain Falcon's moveset that I see working into Samurai Goroh's moveset is that I can see Samurai Goroh's Final Smash being very similar to Captain Falcon's Final Smash.

I could see Sakurai giving Goroh at least one rushing forward move that works similarly to Falcon Kick or Raptor Boost. Not the same animation, and probably with his sword out or something, but the same overall effect and style of the attack.

And I would be surprised if Goroh's FS was anything but very similar to Captain Falcon's FS.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Read more closely. He gave Diddy Kong a much higher score than Lucario (Lucario is in the 50/50 range).

...That sounds pretty accurate. Diddy's far more important than a character who was there because of "new gen".

Diddy's important to the series. Lucario is closer to a one-off. It doesn't mean he can't or shouldn't return. But I agree with the chances here.

@Metal Overlord: And he was badass without just LOOKING it. Yes, the other two look more scary, but they're flat as hell.

 

[Metal Overlord]

LOL my bad then SSBF

Samurai Goroh? Clone Final Smash? EWWWWWWWWWWW

Y'all got to think outside the box nah. Just have him summon his gang of space bandits to terrorize the battlefield. Or something. Just ANYTHING but the Fire Stingray as an FS please

 

[N3ON]

I agree that it would suck if he got a clone FS, but I was just talking about if he was added as a partial clone in the first place. In which case I think he would also get a clone FS.

I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Why would Goroh be a Falcon clone or semi-clone when we already have Ganondorf for that (inb4wolf)? If anything, Black Shadow has way more of a chance of being a semi-clone (which I don't want to happen either)

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I think Takamaru being one of the first newcomers unveiled would bode very well for Samurai Goroh to getting in (though Goroh would likely be a hidden character). I don't see Sakurai making an entirely new moveset for a character from a series being in hiatus since 2004.

Takamaru would be a nice addition for the worldwide gamers, especially after his appearance in Samurai Warriors 3.

Regarding Goroh, it would be a bummer if his moveset doesn't involve his katana blade.

 

[Linkshot]

I don't see Sakurai making an entirely new moveset for a character from a series being in hiatus since 2004.

Not only did he do that for Pit, he revived the franchise. Think big, man.

 

[ChronoBound]

Not only did he do that for Pit, he revived the franchise. Think big, man.

Pit's situation was different. He got in as a retro character (whom Sakurai said had a lot of support in both Japan and the West). Samurai Goroh is far too recent to count as a retro character.

 

[yani]

100%? Dang man that would take so much time and effort! But you should totally do it, I've been slacking on my NG+ progress. You're getting my hyped up to go work on it though! There are mobs level 100 to all the way to 120. I want them slain! D<

And here's to a sequel. :D You know the ending makes that idea possible.

Okay okay maybe like 90% . I definitely want to work on the whole affinity/heart2heart/skill links/advanced arts. I discovered skill links near the very end, so I never really had a chance to put it to use

Against the odds! WE CHOOSE TO FIGHT! I didn't even know about the mobs I want that big dinosaur in the forest dead though. AND

Spoiler

Immovable Gonzalez

 

[N3ON]

Yeah Black Shadow would make more sense as a clone, but if Goroh was added instead, and it was one of the last-minute character additions (like Wolf prolly was), then I could see him being a partial clone. And I didn't mean a direct clone of just Falcon, I just meant with a few moves similar. If anything, he would be more of a clone of Takamaru (like said above).

And this is just hypothetical to if he were added late in development and was chosen over BS. Not that I wish him to be added late, or wish him to be a clone in the first place.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Speaking of Pit, I think he should get a moveset that involves the new weapons. Claws, Arms, Clubs, the whole nine yards. :B

 

[Metal Overlord]

About that (last minute clone additions/adding characters really late during development)... why do people keep saying that? We have DLC in the mix now (which wasn't possible for either Melee or Brawl), so it's not like Sakurai HAS to rush out characters as half-***** clones because of time constraints anymore. He can just flesh them out and release them as DLC later

 

[ChronoBound]

About that (last minute clone additions/adding characters really late during development)... why do people keep saying that? We have DLC in the mix now (which wasn't possible for either Melee or Brawl), so it's not like Sakurai HAS to rush out characters as half-***** clones because of time constraints anymore. He can just flesh them out and release them as DLC later

DLC is not confirmed for Smash 4. Besides, do you realize how much memory is required for a full-fledge character as DLC?

If Smash 4 does has DLC characters, they will probably have partial data on the disk (like was the case with Street Fighter vs. Tekken).

 

[N3ON]

About that (last minute clone additions/adding characters really late during development)... why do people keep saying that? We have DLC in the mix now (which wasn't possible for either Melee or Brawl), so it's not like Sakurai HAS to rush out characters as half-***** clones. He can just flesh them out and release them as DLC later

Good point, but it doesn't mean he will. We don't know Sakurai's mentality on DLC yet. It's very possible he will do that, although it's already known that he likes to buff up his roster, even if that means using direct clones. Now that he has time after release to finish characters, he very well might take that route. I think he likes to feel that his game is totally complete when it launches though, as evidenced by delays with the games he makes, and DLC would only be considered afterwards.

I think the most likely outcome will be both: There will be last-minute characters and DLC. Although I personally think DLC will first and foremost be reserved for any previous characters that get cut, but still have a large fanbase (like Lucario or Ike, if they don't get in), almost finished characters are probably just as likely though.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not sure how being added late would make Samurai Goroh a partial clone?

And since when did relevancy play any role on who is a clone and who isn't? Marth should have debunked this in Melee, coming in with a completely unique move set. I feel as Goroh will either get in as unique (with the possible exception of the Final Smash) or not get in at all.

 

[Metal Overlord]

The point wasn't that DLC would be used for Smash 4, it was that the feature is there this time for Sakurai and company to use unlike before. I'm just saying that they don't have to force themselves to do things like put in a bunch of last-minute clones in the game because of DLC; it's up to Sakurai and company to decide whether they want to use it or not

And about the memory issue... you could just get an external hard drive with enough space on it for the Wii U to solve that. Besides, there most likely won't be much DLC for Smash 4 anyway if it happens

 

[Linkshot]

Pit's situation was different. He got in as a retro character (whom Sakurai said had a lot of support in both Japan and the West). Samurai Goroh is far too recent to count as a retro character.

OH

I thought you meant Takamaru haha

Sorry about that.

 

[---]

I hope you all realize this is just one person's opinion. Those are simply the opinions of the artist for that site.

Oh good, I thought that I would have to explain it. The site does have pretty good artwork along with music and stage ideas though.

I think Takamaru being one of the first newcomers unveiled would bode very well for Samurai Goroh to getting in (though Goroh would likely be a hidden character). I don't see Sakurai making an entirely new moveset for a character from a series being in hiatus since 2004.

I'm guessing that Takamaru will be one of the first as well. I see him as our Little Mac in the East.

I don't know, a Goroh moveset wouldn't be that hard. Fire Stingray. I can see a good amount of attacks and status effects he could add to his sword slashes. I can post some ideas I have if someone wants.

 

[yani]

I don't think Nintendo would ever allow on disc DLC, especially for a huge first party title. Especially after the uproar with Capcom fans

 

[N3ON]

I'm not saying Goroh will be added late, and I'm not saying Goroh would only get in as a clone. I'm not even saying it's most likely Goroh will be added as a clone. I think Goroh would be best as a totally unique character. I'm saying if he were to hypothetically be added late, he would most likely be a clone. And I'm saying this about any non-third-party non-veteran character.

@SSBF
For all the proof we have now, the late in development additions have always been clones, if they were newcomer Nintendo characters. (Dr. Mario, Ganondorf, Falco, Young Link, Pichu, and Roy in Melee, and most likely Wolf and possibly even Toon Link in Brawl). That's what the precedent is already. I assume it's because it's easier to implement and create a clone character instead of a unique one when time is running out, although that is just speculation. I'm not saying this would be exclusive to Goroh, I believe any late addition Nintendo newcomer will be a clone, or a partial-clone.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me, but I never said relevancy had anything to do with being a clone or not.

@Metal
And as for DLC, it's true that Sakurai doesn't have to be limited like before, I'm just guessing he will want to have all the strings tied up and the game released before he adds to the game. You're right though, the DLC situation is new to Sakurai, and I'd like to see his opinions and what actually happens too.

 

[---]

I don't think Nintendo would ever allow on disc DLC, especially for a huge first party title. Especially after the uproar with Capcom fans

I remember reading that FE13 doesn't have on disc anyway, so they're at least trying to finish their games.

I doubt how Capcom handles their DLC will effect how Nintendo handles theirs.

 

[Shorts]

I don't think Nintendo would ever allow on disc DLC, especially for a huge first party title. Especially after the uproar with Capcom fans

Anyone who *****es about DLC, on disc or not needs to realize it was either, DLC, or deleted files. So, quit *****ing about things they MADE FOR YOU FANS. IF you dont want it, dont buy it. Quit grumbling. ****.

 

[yani]

They were mad because the files were fully completed, but locked. They even left Mega Man and Pac-Man on the 360 version. Stupid "Capcpcom"

 

[Deleted member]

@ChaosKid: I was responding to ChronoBound in regards to him saying relevancy may cause Samurai Goroh to be a semi-clone, not you.

It's possible Samurai Goroh may be a semi-clone, although that can be said for technically any potential newcomer, although unless he's an late addition, I don't see it.

 

[Shorts]

They were mad because the files were fully completed, but locked. They even left Mega Man and Pac-Man on the 360 version. Stupid "Capcpcom"

thats not the point. Is it taunting? yes. Does it matter? No. Theyre selling it that way, you buy, or you don't. Be greatful they even made those characters. OR dont be and dont buy them.

 

[N3ON]

@SSBF
Yeah I totally agree with you, and that's all I was trying to say earlier.

I think people just got caught up because they thought I was saying if Goroh got in he'd be a clone. I was just saying if he was a late addition he'd be a clone, which I agree is true of probably any newcomer. I guess I didn't make it clear enough at the start, my bad.

 

[yani]

What do y'all expect for Smash DLC? I'm thinkin cut characters, a clone or two, and stages/music. Maybe a monthly track or something (like AC does with furniture)

 

[Deleted member]

None unfortunately. Which is too bad as I'd like to see them.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

What do y'all expect for Smash DLC? I'm thinkin cut characters, a clone or two, and stages/music. Maybe a monthly track or something (like AC does with furniture)

Extra characters that couldn't make it, and basically what you said.

Also, modes. Definitely modes. *glares at Brawl*

 

[N3ON]

I'm keeping my expectations low for DLC, but I would guess if there is strong enough demand, we may see some cut characters return. (Although that depends on the final on-disc roster).

I'd love anything more than that too, but I'm not going to get my hopes up. Nintendo seems keen on pushing online components right now though, so hopefully that will carry to SSB4 DLC.

I'm guessing the maximum amount we could see would be about four characters, and a couple of stages and music. Maybe some trophies too.

 

[Big-Cat]

What people need to understand about disk-DLC is that it's for the benefit of everyone. This was a problem MK9 had. If you had a character downloaded and they didn't, you had problems. On-disk DLC fixes this problem.

For SFxTK, that content was there so they didn't have to do the title update that would require putting those twelve characters in and their cutscenes which would've been a hefty size. On disk or not, Capcom had no intention of releasing it for console users yet, but they left them there for compatabilty reasons. It would make no difference if that DLC had been locked away at Capcom.

Now, I'll say that it's definitely annoying for the consumer, but the maker gets to decide how they're going to sell more of the game to you.

 

[yani]

I don't think on disc is a bad thing, as any true fan of the series will buy it no matter what, but it definitely wasn't good timing for Capcom with people still mad over UMvC and MML3.

 

[Big-Cat]

It wasn't bad timing. Legally speaking, you aren't supposed to go in there and look for content on the disc.