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No on disc, please. That's just lazy as hell.

Unless they honestly couldn't finish it. But too many use it to purposely do less work on the others so they could get money for DLC.

...If it costs nothing, never mind.
 

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No on disc, please. That's just lazy as hell.

Unless they honestly couldn't finish it. But too many use it to purposely do less work on the others so they could get money for DLC.

...If it costs nothing, never mind.
^^^

And he ignored everything said.

I am so beyond confident that Smash4 will not have DLC.
 

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With Playstation All-Stars coming out this year and being shown at E3. I wonder what the chances are of us even getting atleast a trailer of Super Smash Bros. 4 at E3?
 

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Nintendo doesnt get intimidated into showing trailers.
 

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I wouldn't even put money on the All-Star thing forcing Sakurai to make a trailer.

Or even PAS being a competition overall.(not to say they won't be battling games) What I mean is, I doubt Sakurai is going to care about that game at all.
 

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And the small guy too! I mean, look at the site of the Wii compared to the other two!

Who says you have to be big to be a bully? :awesome:
"**** you *****!"

*knocks over, steps on chest while friends raid your backpack and pockets*

"Take his shoes too! Now cut his shins and put lemon wedges in them!"
 

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Arggh, I hate to have to sleep overnight when it's just that most heated time for speculation with you guys... gotta hate being an European a bit.

Anyway, let's see what has been talked around here.

Well the may they make it seem is that Smash 3DS isn't Smash Wii U, and that it merely aids in the gameplay of the Wii U version, which is the true game. I think whatever the heck the Smash 3DS game is, it isn't going to be anything like what you guys fear. At least, that is what I am thinking.

And my hair is actually almost similar to Ghirahim's, my hair is almost platinum because it is so blond and it is about as long and swoops like his, it just doesn't go over my face. That'd be annoying as hell. I also wear glasses, which I think Ghirahim could rock quite nicely.
Gosh Holder, are you and Ghirahim like one same person but you both are just from different dimensions?

Kiddin'kiddin, but I'll add this up. (-^3l-) I bet you will look fabulous~


I don't like the idea of relying on luck to get new trophies. The Coin Launcher actually makes you have to work to get new trophies.
Well, I don't like Coin Launcher's very tedious and even if longtaking way of getting trophies. Out of 300 coins shot on stuff nowadays, I find only a 1 new trophy, or even none. This thing must be improved or bring the Roulette back. I'm glad Idol Toss worked like that.


Hmmm... Just had an idea. Since it will be difficult to have local four-player matches on the 3DS, then peoples' individual "built up" characters will probably be downloaded via street pass. So it's not like you're fighting the same CPUs over and over.
This is a good idea, it would keep the game fresh, and since EVERYONE'S gonna buy SSB3DS, I bet this opportunity won't go wasted.

Who would like to see Takamaru for Smash?

I've been taking an interest to him for a long time. A samurai would give a completely new way of play and Takamaru has a lot to use. Ninja stars, magic, and katana allows for a completely different style of swordplay. Plus Sakurai stated that Takamaru would probably get into Smash if he got a new game. Whenever or not Samurai Warriors 3 counts as a new game for him remains to be seen, but even it isn't, with him being a highly requested rep in Japan and the most requested one oversea (decently popular) along with having the potential for a great move set, I think Takamaru would be a good choice.
I don't think SW3 counts as new game... quest appearances /=/ new game.

But I'm all for Takamaru. I don't personally want him, but like Ridley, HE DESERVES A RETRO SPOT. I remember thinking for a play style for him too.
Wish we get that crazy enemy-killing lighting as his FS.

Were Monoeyes in the original? I only know that Komaytoes were.
Lol Poppy go out there and play Kid Icarus already. Monoeyes are as common as Koopas in Kid Icarus. They debut at the half part of the first stage. (-l3l-);

Let's compare the music from Melee with the music from Brawl, shall we?
Opening: Melee and Brawl
Menu: Melee and Brawl
Trophy Gallery: Melee and Brawl
All Star Rest Area: Melee and Brawl
Targets: Melee and Brawl

Brawl is much more repetitive. I didn't even include the MANY songs in Subspace...
Not that I don't like the song... I just can't stand it anymore, because I heard it too ****in' much.
I have to so agree. They almost pulled this in Uprising by stuffing Underworld-theme in almost every corner of music (especially in the beginning chapters... and why THERE WAS NO 3RD WORLD/SKYWORLD THEME IN UPRISING IS BEYOND ME.)

But back to SSBB's repetitive main theme use, they had so many good composers, why they couldn't ask them to come up with original compositions /*ahem Uprising's soundtrack ahem*/


Geez guys, why are you taking this site so seriously? This site's one man's MEANINGLESS OPINION on SSB4 and what he wishes to see as playables and whatnot.

It's like I made my wishlist roster and made it a site.

/Besides, WTFalco is more likelier than Fox and Diddy Kong's not even warranted much to return, I tell ya, one total biased BS./

*Puts his hand on Chrono's lap*

(-=^l-);

Speaking of Pit, I think he should get a moveset that involves the new weapons. Claws, Arms, Clubs, the whole nine yards. :B
NO. I'M AGAINST THIS IDEA.

Okay, don't get me wrong, I'm all for Pit getting some representation from his game... but...
I'm quite scared that Pit won't really feel like Brawl/Original Kid Icarus-like anymore if he gets a total overhaul. I mean, I was quite suprised how well they transitioned his core moves like arrow controls, Angel Feather (which was translated as Wings of Pegasus) and Mirror Shield to some extent. He was made accessible with the KI-players in mind.

If he became all Uprising-like with many weapons and would be very different from his Brawl-counterpart (use of a Bow has been severely reduced in favor of other weapons), that's like kicking first two KI-games out of continuity of the series, because Pit won't have anything left from those games.
Pit's trademark weapon is a bow, that's what defined his combat skills back before Uprising was made. It would be quite OOC if he would never use a bow mainly in SSB4. That's like Samus never using her arm cannon. Or Mario using his jumping skills.

I bet he'd stay corely same as in Brawl, using Palutena Bow and Three Sacred Treasures in his specials again. But some of his standards (preferably aerials and Up or Down Smash) would be him using the weapons from Uprising. This would thus be very comprehensive summary of Pit's arsenal throughout his series. Smash Bros doesn't really change the characters' moves very radically, after all.


I have nothing to say on DLC idea... but what I know is that Nintendo won't market up incomplete games and then add in DLC in order to complete it.
 

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You know what I hate,

Twitter.

Every once in a while I gain a follower. For some RANDOM reason. I don't even post.

The next day, they are gone.

I'm not sure why they added me in the first place, but apparently in that one day I didn't fulfill their expectation.

Oh hey, I remember that site. If it's the same site. (It looks like a fan site that popped up around Brawl's development)

I still hate the art style used for the characters
 

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You know, in the Sony smash bros thread they were making fun of what characters and XBOX smash could have

Ironic considering Sony didn't even have characters until this generation...

What they forgot is that Microsoft is a larger company and could potential have characters from other producst. As well as having the unique characters from all Rare's series.

Imagine Banjo Kazooie Vs. Battletoads Vs. Master Chief Vs. Paperclip
 

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Fanky... Sounds like... Fanky...

Fan-Ke?

Fankee?

Fankee Kowng?


Lol, I made a parody name!
It should be Furankii Kongu since Franky already looks like a gorilla with sunglasses. He even builds stuff. What a man.

Also Magnus is listed as Magna?


...Oh, that's bad. They have Krom as Chrome. If a Japanese person recognizes it as Chrome, THEN MAYBE IT IS CHROME AFTER ALL...
 

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Shouldn't it be Waruigi?

Rittre Mac

Rouie

Demirre

Rucario

Ridrey

Rankey Kong

Ruigi

Rink

Toon Rink
 

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Don't forget Fokkusu Makuraudo.

Can't get over how "Fox" is three syllables in Japanese.


YANGU HOSUTEIRU.

HAIPAAFARUKON.

SAIKOU INKAANEITO.
 

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Psycho sounds a lot like the word for PERFECT/GREAT/BEST.

You're just the best incarnation of psychosis.
 

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Shotii Kan Buraaru.

Oh weird. Kiddy Kong is Dinky Kong in Japan. Donkey, Diddy, Dixie, and Dinky. They have it so much better over there.
 

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Dinky was supposed to be Diddy's name but they changed it into Diddy later.

Then again, all main characters having DK as initials is pretty sexy indeed.

They need to bring back Kiddy though. :/

:phone:
 

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I bet KuronoBoundo Scoffs at my Shoddy Japanese Spellings. That Ridorii rabaa (which I think would be lover, not lava or rubber).

Kurono... Kuro no... Black Bound? What an evil, and BDSM sounding name.
 

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Guys I got a problem. I think I like Brawl better than Melee. :O

:phone:
 

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May 2nd, eh? How long has it been since we got word of Sakurai making SSB4, exactly? Wasn't it in feburary?

@Diddy And why is this a problem?
 

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@Kuma- MK9's online problems had more to do with the DLC klassic costumes, the netcde and the Compatibility Packs than the characters. Not everyone downloaded them so that caused a lot of desyncs to happen online when you fought someone that didn't have them (assuming you downloaded them).

The only character issues were that Kenshi got delayed a day to July 6 instead of the 5th and that Skarlet had a release-date glitch where you could download her for free to play as from her Compatibility Pack

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Ok screw what I said before, I miss Mewtwo SO BADLY after playing Melee. :c

And suddenly I like Young Link better than Toon Link to. Even miss Roy, as a clone character even.

Doc still sucks. Even though he indeed plays a bit better than Mario

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DLC is not confirmed for Smash 4. Besides, do you realize how much memory is required for a full-fledge character as DLC?

If Smash 4 does has DLC characters, they will probably have partial data on the disk (like was the case with Street Fighter vs. Tekken).
Have you ever considered that DLC media could be stored onto an SD card, or even a system's internal storage!?

I don't think Nintendo would ever allow on disc DLC, especially for a huge first party title. Especially after the uproar with Capcom fans

:phone:
A game disc could still have DLC, but the DLC data would be completely separate from the ISO. If the disc wants to use the data, it would just read any SD cards, or the hard drive for it.

Well, I don't like Coin Launcher's very tedious and even if longtaking way of getting trophies. Out of 300 coins shot on stuff nowadays, I find only a 1 new trophy, or even none. This thing must be improved or bring the Roulette back. I'm glad Idol Toss worked like that.
It's natural that the odds of you getting new trophies decreases as your collection grows. If your collection is small, you're more likely to get new trophies.
 

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Speaking of trophies, I found out there indeed was no Impa mention on Zelda's trophy in Melee.

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I REALLY hate how MK still keeps doing the whole K for C thing. It's not the 90's any more.
 

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Do you think a hug could so easily keep one's pride intact?

You've been fighting this battle with integrity, but to fail and have others feel sorry themselves for your own failure... COULD YOU FEEL A GREATER PAIN?
 

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Hmmm... so Sakurai's goals of making a Smash roster is to:

1. create a balance with the franchises represented in the roster (meaning he doesn't want Smash to have too many Mario characters, too many Pokemon characters, too few characters from other franchises)

2. make a roster with characters that would have the widest appeal to the largest fanbase (meaning he looks at each franchise and carefully selects which characters meet this criteria)

3. avoid adding characters who don't really lend themselves as fighting characters (examples given: Animal Crossing, Nintendogs)

4. add new characers who aren't from Mario games or sequels of existing franchises (it is very challenging, however, as Olimar seems to be the only one from the new franchises with the widest appeal to the largest fanbase)

[COLLAPSE="Number of Smash 64 newcomers per franchise"]Mario series - 2
Donkey Kong series - 1
Zelda series - 1
Metroid series - 1
Yoshi series - 1
Kirby series - 1
Star Fox series - 1
Pokemon series - 2
F-Zero series - 1
Mother series - 1

12 characters
12 slots[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Number of Melee newcomers per franchise"]Mario series - 3
Donkey Kong series - 0
Zelda series - 4
Metroid series - 0
Yoshi series - 0
Kirby series - 0
Star Fox series - 1
Pokemon series - 2
F-Zero series - 0
Mother series - 0
Ice Climber series - 1
Fire Emblem series - 2
Game & Watch series - 1

14 characters
13 slots[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Number of Brawl newcomers per franchise"]Mario series - 0
Donkey Kong series - 1
Zelda series - 1
Metroid series - 1
Yoshi series - 0
Kirby series - 2
Star Fox series - 1
Pokemon series - 4
F-Zero series - 0
Mother series - 1
Ice Climber series - 0
Fire Emblem series - 1
Game & Watch series - 0
Kid Icarus series - 1
Wario series - 1
Pikmin series - 1
R.O.B. series - 1
Metal Gear series - 1
Sonic series - 1

18 characters
16 slots[/COLLAPSE]

It does seem that Sakurai added too many Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon characters and it is probably why he held back on adding new characters from these franchises in Brawl in addition to cutting Dr. Mario, Pichu, Mewtwo, and replaced Young Link with Toon Link. Hence why Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon each got 4 slots. I think it's to ensure balance in franchise representation.

It does seem that Sakurai neglected to add new characters from most of the franchises in Melee and added at least one newcomer to almost all the franchises he neglected in Brawl. I wonder if he is still going to do that in Smash 4.

[COLLAPSE="Number of my choices of newcomers for Smash 4 per franchise"]Mario series - 1 (Toad)
Donkey Kong series - 3 (Dixie Kong / Kiddy Kong (Dixie & Kiddy), King K. Rool)
Zelda series - 3 (Deku Link / Goron Link / Zora Link (Masked Link))
Metroid series - 1 (Ridley)
Yoshi series - 0
Kirby series - 0
Star Fox series - 0
Pokemon series - 3 (Meowth & Arbok / Meowth & Weezing (Team Rocket), Zoroark)
F-Zero series - 0
Mother series - 0
Ice Climber series - 0
Fire Emblem series - 1 (Krom)
Game & Watch series - 0
Kid Icarus series - 2 (Palutena, Medusa)
Wario series - 0
Pikmin series - 0
R.O.B. series - 0
Metal Gear series - 0
Sonic series - 0
Punch-Out!! series - 2 (Little Mac, King Hippo)
Wii Sports series - 1 (Mii)
Murasame Castle series - 1 (Takamaru)
Duck Hunt series - 1 (Hunting Dog)
Mega Man series - 1 (Mega Man)

20 characters
16 slots[/COLLAPSE]
 

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Where my newcomer roster inputs stand...

[collapse=Newcomer choices]Mario Series: 2; Bowser Jr., Rosalina
Donkey Kong Series: 2; Dixie Kong, King K. Rool
The Legend of Zelda Series: 2; Skull Kid, Impa
Metroid Series: 2; Ridley, Dark Samus
Yoshi Series: 0
Kirby Series: 1; Bandanna Waddle Dee
Star Fox Series: 2; Leon, Krystal
Pokemon Series: 5; Mewtwo, Oshawott / Servine / Emboar (Team Unova), Zoroark
F-Zero Sries: 2; Samurai Goroh, Black Shadow
EarthBound Series: 0
Ice Climber Series: 0
Fire Emblem Series: 0
Game & Watch Series: 0
Kid Icarus Series: 1; Palutena
Wario Series: 0
Pikmin Series: 0
Gyromite Series: 0
Metal Gear Series: 0
Sonic Series: 1; Tails
Starfy Series: 1; Starfy
Custom Robo Series: 1; Ray MK III
Murasame Castle Series: 1; Takamaru
Punch-Out!! Series: 1; Little Mac
Golden Sun Series: 1; Isaac
Sin & Punishment Series: 1; Saki
Chibi-Robo Series: 1; Chibi-Robo
Final Fantasy Series: 1; Black Mage
Mega Man Series: 1; Mega Man

29 characters
27 slots

Note: Mewtwo is classified as a returning veteran.[/collapse]

Apparently, what I've inputted doesn't completely follow Sakurai's standards, based on what the past Smash Bros. titles offered.
 

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Just cut Sheik, add Impa. Make 4 slots 5 without really changing TOO much and revamp the Triforce trio badly = problem solved for Zelda chars. Add Toad, re-add Mewtwo and Mario and Pokemon are covered. Then add newcomers for Donkey Kong, Metroid and Fire Emblem and I think we're fine.

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Got a challenge for you guys. We discussed quality over quantity recently in regards to Smash 4's content, namely modes and what not. This isn't anything gameplay specific. Without adding any new modes (Special fights are an exception), think of ways you could make any of the past modes more "dense" while not being superfluous (like All-Star mode has always been).
 
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