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[Diddy Kong]

There's still hoping for 4 Fire Emblem characters...

 

[Arcadenik]

And it's addicting stuff, those opinions. Too bad they're illegal in these boards.

This is sig worthy. Truer words were never spoken.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ike is still the main character of Radiant Dawn though. I actually agree with Arcy on his Fire Emblem input.

 

[Aurane]

This is sig worthy. Truer words were never spoken.

I can tell, which is sad.

Also, Golden, here's the full pic of my Avatar:

 

[Deleted member]

Ike is still the main character of Radiant Dawn though. I actually agree with Arcy on his Fire Emblem input.

But he wasn't the newest main character, which is what "Arcy" is getting at. Micaiah was, and she was more prevalent than Ike throughout the game.

Ike merely did to her what Hades did to Medusa. (I assume that it's safe to say that now without hiding it) And that's steal the spotlight. Although Ike did that halfway through, while Hades took it early.
And Medusa didn't show up again until much later. While Micaiah was still around.

And if it was really because of the latest game, why is Ike not in his Radiant Dawn appearance in Brawl?

 

[---]

And it's addicting stuff, those opinions. Too bad they're illegal in these boards.

I better stop posting entirely if they're illegal.

Boards are entirely opinion based. It's only when you try to make opinion into fact that they become "illegal."

Pretty sure SmashChu was just poking fun, nothing to freak out about.

 

[Aurane]

I better stop posting entirely if they're illegal.

Boards are entirely opinion based. It's only when you try to make opinion into fact that they become "illegal."

Pretty sure SmashChu was just poking fun, nothing to freak out about.

Freak out? Sir, calm down: The freak has yet to come.

But I gtg. I don't like being here for so long. I already smell a troll hour coming.

 

[Aaven]

There's still hoping for 4 Fire Emblem characters...

*Crosses fingers*

 

[Deleted member]

I'm going to go as well.

I can already tell that Arcadenik is scrambling right now with more fabricated statements to support his case.
And quite frankly, I do not want to listen to bull**** today.

 

[Arcadenik]

And if it was really because of the latest game, why is Ike not in his Radiant Dawn appearance in Brawl?

Probably because Sakurai already decided on his roster back in October 2005. Radiant Dawn came out in February 2007, right? I guess he just didn't feel like changing Ike's costume when he wasn't even the main character in that game. That's my guess.

EDIT: Didn't see this one till after I posted this.

I'm going to go as well.

I can already tell that Arcadenik is scrambling right now with more fabricated statements to support his case.
And quite frankly, I do not want to listen to bull**** today.

Too late, I did.

Freak out? Sir, calm down: The freak has yet to come.

But I gtg. I don't like being here for so long. I already smell a troll hour coming.

Troll hour, you say?

 

[Diddy Kong]

As been said, the final roster was decided upon in 2005! That's probably why we have Path of Ridiance styled Ike in Brawl. As he's definitely more of a main character than Micaiah, who later only becomes a spokesperson for the goddess Yune :/ Ike's part is also by far the longest, and I say story related he's more important as well.

I'm also gone though. Gonna go to my girls place again.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

*pops head in*

6th generation playable Pokemon is never gonna happen unless SSB4 is delayed to hell or Game Freak hires child slaves to complete the 6th gen games before the end of mid-2013.

*pops head out*

 

[Deleted member]

*pops head in*

6th generation playable Pokemon is never gonna happen unless SSB4 is delayed to hell or Game Freak hires child slaves to complete the 6th gen games before the end of mid-2013.

*pops head out*

Aren't you forgetting that they can advertise the mascot of the 6th gen beforehand like they did with Roy in Melee with Fire Emblem 6?

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Yeah, but Sakruai is finalizing the roster now. It will be finalized by the end of this year, if not sooner.

6th gen isn't going to start parading around a mascot Pokemon until mid-2013, at the earliest. Black 2 and White 2 are extending the lifespan of 5th gen, so 6th gen missed the bus unfortunately.

Which is too bad, because I'd take just about any new Pokemon over Zoroark, who I'm thinking will get the spot, even though our Lord and Savior Genesect would be so much cooler.

 

[Hypercat-Z]

*pops head in*

6th generation playable Pokemon is never gonna happen unless SSB4 is delayed to hell or Game Freak hires child slaves to complete the 6th gen games before the end of mid-2013.

*pops head out*

That's NOT totally true. If Nintendo is using SSB as Trojan Horse to promote their chars, even before their official debut, it could work with pokemons as well as it worked with Kid Icarus.

 

[Wario Bros.]

That's totally true. If Nintendo is using SSB as Trojan Horse to promote their chars, even before their official debut, it could work with pokemons as well as it worked with Kid Icarus.

Nintendo also promoted Roy in Melee (Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade, Roy's debut, came out 4 months after Melee) as well as promoting the Gekko and MGS4 Love Theme in Brawl (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots came out 5 months after Brawl.)

So I won't be surprised if Sm4sh has another promotion in it.

EDIT: Oh, and Wario's Brawl Victory Theme is from Wario Land: Shake It!, which came out 6 months after Brawl.

 

[Big-Cat]

Sheik is already designed to be on her own in a balanced game. She acts like a ninja. Stealthy, quick successive attacks, low all-out strength.

*If she stays with Zelda, I would make her killing options nearly nill. Making her rely on Zelda for KOs. However, that would allow her to be improved in other areas.

Zelda, on the other hand, still needs buffs to be on her own. She can be made more defensive, however, she would then need another ability to lure opponents toward her. Din's fire alone will not cut it.

But here's the funny thing. Sheik's only real "weakness" is her lack of kill moves, but you could have a character who stands alone having that same weakness. It's like having a character in a fighting game that can do everything needed, but lacks an overhead (i.e. Cammy) and you have the other character soley for the overhead. Having Zelda being good for only one thing makes her an incredibly crappy one trick pony. Zelda is then stuck being the assist except they can't be on the screen at the same time unlike Marvel or Skullgirls.

Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf are in desperate need of a revamp in their stats and moves.

By overglorification of Kirby, look at how well he treated them. Dedede is high tier and Meta-Knight is the best character in Brawl. Obviously he was fair with additions, but how he pampered those newcomers from Kirby along with tons of music and SSE shows Sakurai's bias towards Kirby in a big way.

D3 and MK's tier placings are merely the product of the metagame. No developer in their right mind ends up placing characters in an arbitrary position on the tier list. The worst you may see is that a SF game tries to have Ryu at least be decent which is understandable as he's the Mario of SF.

The bias in the SSE is another story.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Here's the thing, 6th gen will either come out right in the middle or toward the end of Sm4sh's development. There's nothing to say that Sakurai won't reach out to games that are being developed at the same time as Sm4sh, except how he didn't do that with any number of Wii games during Brawl's development.

There's a cutoff date for content that Sakurai considers for Smash, and 6th gen will find itself squarely outside that timeframe.

@Hypercat I would like to know all of the details surrounding the Kid Icarus situation before I conclude that Pit was put into Brawl because Sakurai knew he would be making Uprising afterwards. It's not far fetched at all, though.

@Wario Bros. I think victory themes aren't as significant a reach-over as characters, though. Sakurai says, "Hey, Good Feel, you're developing a Wario game, aren't you? Toss me a sound byte for Wario's Victory Theme." As opposed to, "Hey, Good Feel, I need a stage concept for Wario Land: Shake It. Come up with some ideas and we'll have a meeting sometime about how we could best implement elements of your game."

I think this is why content that's being developed alongside Smash doesn't get significant content like characters or stages. These other developers are too busy creating their games to collaborate with the Smash team on how to include the stuff they're making into Smash. Besides, changes can occur at any time. If there's any one argument as to why the cutoff date that I've mentioned above exists, it's Super Mario Galaxy's absence in Brawl.

If Sakurai had reeeally wanted to, he could've gone to Miyamoto's team and asked for some stage concepts and music since Galaxy was ahead of Brawl anyways. But he didn't because everyone had already settled into their development, and it would've been a hassle.

 

[SmashChu]

The war is not over.

Besides, it's not like my whole argument for Impa relied on a trophy mention or anything lol

Zelda had FOUR newcomers in Melee. I dont think Sakurai is biased.

Nah. It's pretty much over.

It is his opinion. That's what he is smoking.

That's nice, but I'm saying his judgement are bad.

I do love how this post is because your defensive about Duck Hunt Dog.

If Roy was that likely, he would have gotten in Brawl already but Ike had the higher priority over Roy due to being the main lord from the newest Fire Emblem game at the time. I wouldn't be surprised if Krom was more likely than Ike AND Roy due to the same reasons I explained about Ike and Roy in Brawl. I mean, why would they put in a DLC character from FE13 over the main character from the same game?

1)Roy was always planned for Brawl. He and Ike were to both be in the game. We know this from data left on the disc.
2)Sakurai asked IS for an FE character and they picked Ike. Has nothing to do with being the newest (this is why I was trying to fight against the conventional wisdom)
3)Roy is the most popular FE character for SSB4 in Japan and probably here too. He's one of the most requested characters

And Duck Hunt Dog seems to be one of the characters with the widest appeal to the largest fanbase. Millions of gamers from the 1980's loved Duck Hunt and they loved to hate the dog. I am pretty sure that Duck Hunt Dog as a playable character would finally give those people a chance to shoot his trollface. Duck Hunt is like a timeless Nintendo classic that even the casuals recognize the ducks, the laughing dog, and the background scenery right away. We cannot say the same about the modern gems like Golden Sun and Sin & Punishment. They appeal a niche market.

Based on what evidence? Probably this fantasy land you made up.

Hey, if Duck Hunt Dog is so popular, why did Sakurai pick Ice Climbers over him. (Also, bright idea to add a character people don't like)

If there are characters who appeal a niche audience, it is most likely due to Sakurai's bias like the Mother characters and Ice Climbers (mediocre and forgettable game but the Ice Climbers had moveset potential when compared to Excitebiker, Balloon Fighter, Urban Champion and Bubbles from Clu Clu Land).

So Sakurai doesn't pick the dog because he appeals to niche audience. Now I want what YOU'RE smoking.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

But here's the funny thing. Sheik's only real "weakness" is her lack of kill moves, but you could have a character who stands alone having that same weakness. It's like having a character in a fighting game that can do everything needed, but lacks an overhead (i.e. Cammy) and you have the other character soley for the overhead.

Cammy can't zone, Kuma.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Deleted member]

>Roster is decided in 2005
>Game is in development with new appearance for character and comes out in 2007
>Brawl comes out in 2008


There is no excuse for Ike not having his Radiant Dawn appearance. After all, if Roy can be in Melee months before his game, then Ike could've easily had his Radiant Dawn appearance, even if Ike was decided upon prior to it's development.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Cammy is kind of disturbing...

Isn't she like a female clone of Bison or something? He created clones in case his body died.

Why would he make a female clone?

 

[Hypercat-Z]

Nintendo also promoted Roy in Melee (Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade, Roy's debut, came out 4 months after Melee) as well as promoting the Gekko and MGS4 Love Theme in Brawl (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots came out 5 months after Brawl.)

So I won't be surprised if Sm4sh has another promotion in it.

EDIT: Oh, and Wario's Brawl Victory Theme is from Wario Land: Shake It!, which came out 6 months after Brawl.

I edited my message. I forgot the NOT part. But I see you have got my point.
Yes! Even Fire Emblem got more highlights thanks to this game.
Last but not least, we should not forget that Super Smash Bros. is the game that introduced the Falcon Punch, seen even in the anime of F-Zero.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Big ol' edit up top, check it out up there so I don't have to type it all again.

My poor fingers.

 

[ChronoBound]

Got some more FE13 DLC news.

Elincia DLC

I'm surprised as this is the first non-lord DLC so far, that and they're ignoring Ike. I'm loving Elincia's redesign, it's much better than her original design IMO.

EDIT: Turns out for her story it's Roy vs Ike. Red vs Blue. lol

Elincia marks the first non-lord to become DLC.

As for the chapter mission, here is a translation:

"Roy, the redhead lion - young hero of Elibe. Ike, the hero of blue flames - famous mercenary of Tellius. Their endless battle goes on in the otherworld. Krom aids Roy in his battle against Ike's forces."

 

[Hypercat-Z]

Cammy is kind of disturbing...

Isn't she like a female clone of Bison or something? He created clones in case his body died.

Why would he make a female clone?

It just happened. Contraryly to what most fictions told us, the gender is not written in the DNA but it developes in the uterus. That's why even male humans have nipples.
Let's back in thread now. Shall we?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

It just happened. Contraryly to what most fictions told us, the gender is not written in the DNA but it developes in the uterus. That's why even male humans have nipples.
Let's back in thread now. Shall we?

No, Sex is determined by DNA.

All sources I can find through scientific research say that


Edit: MY point was, why of all things would he CHOOSE to make a female clone of himself

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, but Sakruai is finalizing the roster now. It will be finalized by the end of this year, if not sooner.

6th gen isn't going to start parading around a mascot Pokemon until mid 2013, at the earliest. Black 2 and White 2 are extending the lifespan of 5th gen, so 6th gen missed the bus unfortunately.

Which is too bad, because I'd take just about any new Pokemon over Zoroark, who I'm thinking will get the spot, even though our Lord and Savior Genesect would be so much cooler.

If the 6th gen mascot were to be revealed in mid-2013, that would all but confirm that the 6th gen would be in Smash 4. Even without Black & White 2, the 6th gen mascot reveal date would not change. Finally, it is likely the Pokemon Company plans well beforehand as they had 2nd gen in their head early in the first gen.

 

[Big-Cat]

Cammy can't zone, Kuma.

Smooth Criminal

Whoops, forgot about that one. The point being is that it makes no sense, in this game, to have a character that can be a jack of all trades minus one skill that's left to a glorified assist.

Cammy is kind of disturbing...

Isn't she like a female clone of Bison or something? He created clones in case his body died.

Why would he make a female clone?

Yes, she's a clone. She was made as a part of Bison's Dolls and I believe she would've served as a vessel and/or organ bank for Bison. That being said, Abel's heavily implied to be another Bison clone (would that make him and Cammy siblings?).

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Oh boy. Roy VS Ike? It's a battle of the century! (>-l0l-<)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I pick Roy. I hated Ike

Edit:

Cammy and Abel both are white with blonde hair and blue eyes...

Hmmm...

 

[Baskerville]

Oh boy. Roy VS Ike? It's a battle of the century! (>-l0l-<)

FIGHT!
Anyway, Elencia looks awesome.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Wait, why Ike VS Roy? Like hell we shouldn't have either of them. I'd be frowns all around.

 

[ChronoBound]

Wait, why Ike VS Roy? Like hell we shouldn't have either of them. I'd be frowns all around.

They are talking about the chapter mission for Elincia's DLC for FE13.

"Roy, the redhead lion - young hero of Elibe. Ike, the hero of blue flames - famous mercenary of Tellius. Their endless battle goes on in the otherworld. Krom aids Roy in his battle against Ike's forces."

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I want to know what research Hypercat-Z did into DNA research to determine gender isn't determined in it.

Because it is

It's like DNA 101

 

[Deleted member]

No, Sex is determined by DNA.

All sources I can find through scientific research say that


Edit: MY point was, why of all things would he CHOOSE to make a female clone of himself

He probably wanted to do himself without it looking wierd.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm agreeing with GY here. Even if the 6th Gen Character gets revealed(which wouldn't even be a mascot, mind you. Considering Pichu is more or less treated as the 2nd Gen Mascot in Smash only... even though he isn't the 2nd Gen Mascot...) there's no way to say they'll get more than a mention. Especially since no Pokemon was added based upon that anyway. It COULD happen, but it's not super likely or anything.

Also, a simple set of costumes for Ike's latest appearances could've been put in if Sakurai cared enough about latest games. He sometimes does it, but not always. I'm guessing he does it based upon the latest game released before development unless it's a character from a new franchise, of course.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Another thing for Hypercat-Z

Nipples aren't a sexual characteristic, no matter how much you attribute them to females.

They are actually developed before the sex chromosomes take over the development of the fetus.

Both males and females are able to produce milk, though men need a lot of estrogen for it to develop.

The DNA to determine gender is actually already determined before the sperm even reaches the egg BTW

 

[Baskerville]

Nintendo's E3 Press Conference Dated
My body is ready.

 

[Hypercat-Z]

I want to know what research Hypercat-Z did into DNA research to determine gender isn't determined in it.

Because it is

It's like DNA 101

You are right! I checked it back and it's finger prints that are determinated by the DNA.
Let's back speaking of SSB4 now. I can't wait to see the first trailer. I'm expecting it to be the same quality of the trailer of Rayman Legends.
Oh! You know what shocked me most of said trailer? The soccer modality showd there is exactly as the one I dreamt once on the next SSB (I'm dreaming of SSB4 pretty frequently since a year so far).