New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Arcadenik]

Why must Ness and Lucas rely on PSI they never learned?

No, no... it is okay for Ness and Lucas to use PSI moves they never used because you see.... Sakurai explained to us via trophies that Paula and Kumatora taught Ness and Lucas how to use those PSI moves when they learned that they were gonna be in Brawl.

The other Toads from NSMBWii are obviously not friends with Toad so they aren't going to bother teaching Toad how to use Propeller Mushrooms and stuff... that's why Toad cannot be in Smash.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Too bad all his moves came from games where he mattered. Egg Throw? Yoshi's Island. Same with the Flutterkick and his special jump. Egg lay? Every game but Super Mario 64. Buttstomp? Related to his ability to kill things by jumping on them. The only special he got that I can't think of its origin was the Egg Roll. And that's not that hard to imagine. As for many of his other moves, those are simple to do.



Same reason he ignores Impa. He doesn't care about big names or key characters if he doesn't want to. It's his choice completely. I'd be glad if he forgot about it, really. You can't even play as the true Toad in there. Let's leave it to the games he's playable in.

But this further proves my point anyway. If you can't imagine him fighting without trying to go to one particular game(that he's not playable in), what makes you think Sakurai will? You think he figured that Zelda could fight by looking at the "popular" games? Only game he acknowledged was OOT. She never fought once in there.

He'll go for wherever he fought first. Those clearly didn't inspire him. One game is not going to automatically change that. Likewise, it still shows that people are not as imaginative as they say they are. I'm challenging you to make a moveset without relying on NSMBW. I gave you my reasons already. I want to see if we can make a moveset without that game. I want to prove it's possible to look at everything. If Yoshi could do it, why can't Toad? Why must he rely on a game he's not even playable in?

If you look up Yoshi' Moves - History Behind Super Smash Bros Melee on Youtube, the Egg Roll is based off Yoshi being shot out of the Tipsy Tulip in Yoshi's Story as a spinning egg.

 

[Linkshot]

Too bad all his moves came from games where he mattered. Egg Throw? Yoshi's Island. Same with the Flutterkick and his special jump. Egg lay? Every game but Super Mario 64. Buttstomp? Related to his ability to kill things by jumping on them. The only special he got that I can't think of its origin was the Egg Roll. And that's not that hard to imagine. As for many of his other moves, those are simple to do.

The "buttstomp" is called Hip Drop and it's a very important part of Yoshi's Island.

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Golden- I ain't gonn hold you up, you probably WOULD have to be a little imaginative with Jody's moveset if she ever were to get in. There's a few things though like half of Jody's body being replaced by cybernetics in the anime because of an accident (make that of what you will), and she climbed the highest mountain in our solar system (Olympus Mons) so she's obviously pretty strong. She's also a member of the GSF so she'd have access to a few high-tech weapons, maybe?

I'm hoping if there's indeed a new F-Zero game that'll come for the Wii U, that Jody Summer'll be more fleshed out in terms of what she can do

@Kuma- I don't think I could've ever thought of Guy lol

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

*sigh* Fine, whatever. Here's your SMB2-centric Toad's moveset.

B: pulls out vegetables and quickly throws it
Side B: rides the Autobomb and shoot fireballs from the vehicle
Up B: does a charged high jump
Down B: does a quick ground pound... if Toad lands on an enemy, he quickly picks them up
Final Smash: pulls out the Rocket and it crash-lands back on the stage like an overpowered Warp Star item

I hope this satisfies your criteria.

...I said games outside of New Super Mario Bros. Wii. I do like, though. Why not throw the Axe from Super Mario Bros. for his B?

@Linkshot and R.O.B.: Thanks. You also helped prove my point even more.

 

[Deleted member]

@Metal: So in the anime...she has no kitty?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

@Golden- I ain't gonn hold you up, you probably WOULD have to be a little imaginative with Jody's moveset if she ever were to get in. There's a few things though like half of Jody's body being replaced by cybernetics in the anime because of an accident (make that of what you will), and she climbed the highest mountain in our solar system (Olympus Mons) so she's obviously pretty strong. She's also a member of the GSF so she'd have access to a few high-tech weapons, maybe?

I'm hoping if there's indeed a new F-Zero game that'll come for the Wii U, that Jody Summer'll be more fleshed out in terms of what she can do

@Kuma- I don't think I could've ever thought of Guy lol

And don't forget she's good in athletics and dancing as shown in her F-Zero GX secret movie.

 

[Baskerville]

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I'll make more later.

Just gonna quote my last post...

 

[Arcadenik]

...I said games outside of New Super Mario Bros. Wii. I do like, though. Why not throw the Axe from Super Mario Bros. for his B?

You said you did not want me to make a moveset based on NSMBWii because Toad isn't playable there.... but you want the Axe from SMB1 even though not a single Toad was playable in that game?!?!? It's mind-boggling!

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Golden- Not sure if innuendo or animal

@R.O.B- Yep, that too

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I seriously want to see Toad in Smash 4. He might seem generic now, but back in the old days, he wasn't. SMBX also proved how he can be as much of a good platformer hero like Mario.

 

[Deleted member]

@Golden- Not sure if innuendo or animal

@R.O.B- Yep, that too

Innuendo.
I'm asking if being half cybernetics means that she doesn't have a vag.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You said you did not want me to make a moveset based on NSMBWii because Toad isn't playable there.... but you want the Axe from SMB1 even though not a single Toad was playable in that game?!?!? It's mind-boggling!

No, you misunderstand. The real Toad is not playable in New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Just some of his race.

I said I don't want any moves based upon that game and put out my reasons. I never said any other game falls under that reason, to clarify. I apologize if i wasn't clear enough.

But since this, can you find a B move that he does that nobody else does in a game you play as him? Kart, Party, whatever. As long as it's a regular Toad you play as.

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Golden- OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, okay, then no, I guess lol

 

[Arcadenik]

No, you misunderstand. The real Toad is not playable in New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Just some of his race.

I said I don't want any moves based upon that game and put out my reasons. I never said any other game falls under that reason, to clarify. I apologize if i wasn't clear enough.

But since this, can you find a B move that he does that nobody else does in a game you play as him? Kart, Party, whatever. As long as it's a regular Toad you play as.

That leaves us with Wario's Woods. I guess he might as well throw generic enemies from Wario's Woods for a B move.

 

[Big-Cat]

@Kuma- I don't think I could've ever thought of Guy lol

I thought of Guy with Fox, but this was better.

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BTW, I've been playing Skullgirls and I liked what they do for the command grab inputs. They're rather intuitive. Normally, a grab is done with LP+LK, like in Street Fighter, but unlike Street Fighter, command grabs are different. A command grab in SF would have similar inputs as other specials or 360's sometimes. In Skullgirls, the button input is now LP+LK like the throws. For example, Valentine's Izuna Drop is QCB+Throw. I thought this was a very smart move by Mike Z. This makes it easy to remember command grab inputs.

What do you guys think of this as a possibility for command grabs. They would be mapped to the directional inputs and not every character is required to have these. Bowser could have three throws based on neutral, down, and up, while Mario could just have a neutral input.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That leaves us with Wario's Woods. I guess he might as well throw generic enemies from Wario's Woods for a B move.

And Mario Kart, Mario Party, his spore ability from Smash...

He has to be directly playable under this. Spin-offs completely count. RPG's count(which are also spin-offs). Golf, Tennis, etc.

As long as he's playable is the entire point of this exercise. Also, the challenge was meant to have a full move list. Not just B Moves, those are easy as hell for any character with enough work.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Falcon & Arkadenik: Toad can emit spores, right?
Smash Bros Crusade introduced that Spore Charge attack for Toad as the B-move. I suggest he'd have that as a B-move /maybe in a similar function as a counterattack like how Peach used him as a counter/
I mean, Mario Sports Mix further evaluates that Toad can emit spores. Now that's something others can't do.

 

[Baskerville]

Command Grabs are more than welcome! I can just imaging Sheik doing an Izuna drop, that would be BADASS!

 

[Shorts]

YHT is right. Out of all the things Sakurai has recognized in Toad, you would think you guys would make that a B move?

Only makes sense.

Spores, beinng fast and strong, and being a Kart driver is his most likely moveset insparation if he ever got in, IMO.

 

[Starphoenix]

They're forced to choose furries because they're Pokemon. They just happen to choose popular ones.

Also, still no news of Genesect, but I highly doubt he'll be catchable regularly, just like he wasn't the mascot of these games

@Falcion I'm speaking generally. I just felt that when I walked into that discussion, everything and everyone, even I, who read it, turned ******** until it finally ended.
One of the comments I'm ****ing PISSED about is Star's, about how Victini's out of the spotlight, which is dumb to say because he's still a very popular Legendary, is still active in games and Wi-Fi events, and is STILL favored by the creator of Pokemon. He's definatly nowheres out of the picture yet. Zoroark showed up on the CoroCoro magazine and everyone ASSUMES that Victini's dead. Pfft... BS.

...And now I feel better.

Seriously dude? If you are going to let one little sentence rattle your chains, then you need to chill.

I guess I'll wait for Shortie or Chrono to give their arguments. Toad is Toad, but he just seems so boring.

I cannot see how, nobody can possibly be worse than Little Mac. At least Toad can do other things.

YHT is right. Out of all the things Sakurai has recognized in Toad, you would think you guys would make that a B move?

Only makes sense.

Spores, beinng fast and strong, and being a Kart driver is his most likely moveset insparation if he ever got in, IMO.

*coughNewSuperMarioBrosWiicough*

 

[Deleted member]

At least Little Mac has an excuse on why he's boring.
Toad has no such excuse considering the world he comes from.

 

[Shorts]

Seriously dude, get over yourself. If you are going to let one little sentence rattle your chains, then you need to chill.

Mwahahahaha!

*coughNewSuperMarioBrosWiicough*

Oh Star, you know I was going based of Trophy info, something Sakurai writes himself. You scamp you.

At least Little Mac has an excuse on why he's boring.
Toad has no such excuse considering the world he comes from.

Not really... I mean, half the boxers in his game are more interesting than him. Toad isn't BORING, so much as for me... I just don't care for him. He's got the right stuff... or so someone could argue.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Shortie: Nice to hear someone agrees. And call me just Horsetail.

Though Star must be referring to Propeller Mushroom, I guess. But Shortie, NSMBW didn't exist then when Sakurai wrote that, right?

 

[Metal Overlord]

Star, I am disappoint

You should've used this gif instead

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[Arcadenik]

Well, there was this one move I thought would be interesting if Toad could do this... if you were to do Up Smash, Toad would pull out a coin out of the ground like in SMB2 and the coin would spin and hit the enemy multiple times.

 

[Bowserlick]

The only problem I see with Mii is that Mii's use already established graphics, thus the Mii's may not fit in with the art style of the new Smash.

Solution? Well, Sakurai would have to redesign every element of the Mii's to fit the art style. This could just be too much work.

Mii's, however, would be the most recent Nintendo add-on character (G&W and Rob representing the old add-on's).

 

[Shorts]

I wonder if he realizes Zoroark has been marketed much much much better than Victini, and is without a doubt the mascot of Gen 5?

I mean, his event originally started on the Gen 4 games. I just don't see how anyone can argue Zoroark is not the mascot when clearly Pokemon co is giving him the most interest.

Mii's, however, would be the most recent Nintendo add-on character (G&W and Rob representing the old add-on's).

The Mii's, also make almost as much Money as Pokemon and Mario has, but in much less time than those two.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Arkadenik: Toad could instead slam his hands on the ground and emit spores that make a obe huge mushroom spring up.
(-l3l-)

One thing that concerns me... Toad's voice. How will that be done? New clips especially for SSB4?

 

[Deleted member]

Not really... I mean, half the boxers in his game are more interesting than him. Toad isn't BORING, so much as for me... I just don't care for him. He's got the right stuff... or so someone could argue.

That's Mac's excuse; he's SUPPOSED to be boring compared to his opponents. One of the main points of Punch-Out are the eccentric opponents you have to take down and the stereotypes they play upon.

But still, with this:

Spoiler

He's not completely boring like Ryu.
ROID RAGE!!!

 

[Bowserlick]

I also think Zoroark has a better chance than Victini. Zoroark has more of a "hook." The illusion ability.

Sakurai says that he tries to add characters that bring something to the game that the other characters do not.

I am not sure what Victini's hook could be.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, there was this one move I thought would be interesting if Toad could do this... if you were to do Up Smash, Toad would pull out a coin out of the ground like in SMB2 and the coin would spin and hit the enemy multiple times.

Stretches it a bit for more, but works.

 

[Starphoenix]

Oh Star, you know I was going based of Trophy info, something Sakurai writes himself. You scamp you.

I was just throwing that game into the mix too. To add to your point about the whole spore thing in Mario Sports Mix Toad has this defense maneuver in the game where he sheds spores to block other players. He also has this ability to spontaneously grow mushrooms up out of the floor. Perhaps if Sakurai wanted to look at outside games other than the main continuity, possibly like he did with Peach and Super Mario RPG, there are options available.

Super Mario Bros. 2
Wario's Woods
Mario Kart
New Super Mario Bros. Mii
Mario Sports Mix

All this even before taking into account Sakurai's own tendency to create moves for characters.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Star: Yes, yes! (New Super Mario Bros Mii? I think ya meant Wii? )

But I really agree. These really should be the gamexs where Toad's moves should be based from.

 

[Arcadenik]

Star: Yes, yes! (New Super Mario Bros Mii? I think ya meant Wii? )

But I really agree. These really should be the ones where Toad's mpve should be based on.

That's basically what my Toad moveset was based on.... but HyperFalcon wanted me to do a Toad moveset without relying on NSMBWii because he wasn't playable in that game.

And New Super Mario Bros. Mii is a real game. It will be for Wii U.

 

[Johnknight1]

The only problem I see with Mii is that Mii's use already established graphics, thus the Mii's may not fit in with the art style of the new Smash.

I imagine their graphcis will be updated a bit for the Wii U. Still, at least they don't look as awkward the Microsoft Xbox 360 Avatar freak people!

Also, Freddie Mercury vs. The Joker vs. Homer Simpson vs. Jesus Christ = the best Smash Bros. match up EVERRRR!!

Miyamoto talks Link to the Past and hints at a possible F-Zero Wii-U
because I love y'all.

"Show me yo moves F-Zero racer!!!" Seriously though, F-Zero needs to come back. Unlike Star Fox it never sucked. F-Zero in true HD with MORE SPEED = WIN!!!

But for realZ, there needs to be another legitimate 2D Zelda game that plays like A Link to the Past. Those Four Swords games won't do it for me, and Minish Cap was too short. Maybe combine elements of the Minish Cap (which is way underrated IMO), A Link to the Past, Zelda II (side-scrolling Link is a BEAST!), and the Wind Waker to make an awesome 2D Overhead Zelda game with loads of depth!

A Link to the Past remade in 3D and stars Toon Link? Take my money, Nintendo!

This man is a mind reader...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Arkadenik: I heard it was just meant to be a tech demo, besides there's no confirmation Toad(s) will appear in it.

 

[Shorts]

That's basically what my Toad moveset was based on.... but HyperFalcon wanted me to do a Toad moveset without relying on NSMBWii because he wasn't playable in that game.

And New Super Mario Bros. Mii is a real game. It will be for Wii U.

HyperFail.... he was playable in that game. Saying he wasn't playable in that game is like saying Yoshi wasn't playable in Island or Story.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Totally wanting a new 2D Zelda too, I think I like them even more than 3D-ones. (-^3^-)

 

[Deleted member]

HyperFail.... he was playable in that game. Saying he wasn't playable in that game is like saying Yoshi wasn't playable in Island or Story.

He's talking THE Toad, not generic species of Toads.

So to say "he" was playable in that game is false.
While Toads were playable, Toad/Kinopio was not.