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[Metal Overlord]

Magnus reminds me of Nightmurrrrrrr from Soul Calibur

 

[Conviction]

Magnus reminds me of a badass.

@Chrono: I see. I was talking about in complete game form though.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Sure, if you can name one other regular Kid Icarus protagonist that you play as. Except, they don't exist. That's the reason why a villain is okay in this case.

If there's more playable protagonists, sure. Otherwise, Villain first, then we can talk about background characters. It'd be like adding Jody Summers before any possible villain in F-Zero. Or even a semi-villain.

F-Zero will pretty much get more from Goroh and Black Shadow, than from Jody Summers. This would result in Captain Falcon getting one rival, and one mortal enemy.

 

[Metal Overlord]

If they ain't an AX character (other than Phoenix), they'll work for Smash

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

If they ain't an AX character (other than Phoenix), they'll work for Smash

Fortunately, Goroh and Black Shadow are in F-Zero GX, which is a GameCube title, so they're pretty much safe.

 

[ChronoBound]

@Chrono: I see. I was talking about in complete game form though.

The point is that when Sakurai initially decided Melee's roster, Zelda was on his list, Ganondorf was not.

 

[Conviction]

I understand.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Was Roy a part of the original Melee roster or was he added late to the roster like the clones were?

 

[ChronoBound]

Was Roy a part of the original Melee roster or was he added late to the roster like the clones were?

All of the clones were late additions.

 

[Weavel]

Anyone else miss OOT ganondorf? I really miss that ganondorf over TP Ganondorf.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

F-Zero will pretty much get more from Goroh and Black Shadow, than from Jody Summers. This would result in Captain Falcon getting one rival, and one mortal enemy.

If they get anything at all. Remember, Falcon is mainly in there since his actual moveset was inspired from the original build of the game. He wasn't given an original moveset from the start. The moveset was mostly made first, or atleast some of it was.

But that wasn't my point. If there's only one playable character, adding a villain before a secondary hero is often better.

Note that in the Zelda case, Zelda herself is a very key character and she had a counterpart who could fight before she was added. Sheik could clearly fight. Palutena could not at the time. Sakurai added her fighting capabilities in a new game, she didn't have them from the start. Where as Sheik had something. Even Zelda had two shows where she fought, and two games(canon doesn't matter, remember?)

@Weavel: Not really. He was even flatter than TP Ganondorf. Who was flat enough.(Zant was more interesting) He got his time in the sun in Melee. Let's see another version of him, whether the Oracle Concept Art or WW version. Plus, TP Ganonndorf looked kickass.

 

[Weavel]

If they get anything at all. Remember, Falcon is mainly in there since his actual moveset was inspired from the original build of the game. He wasn't given an original moveset from the start. The moveset was mostly made first, or atleast some of it was.

But that wasn't my point. If there's only one playable character, adding a villain before a secondary hero is often better.

Note that in the Zelda case, Zelda herself is a very key character and she had a counterpart who could fight before she was added. Sheik could clearly fight. Palutena could not at the time. Sakurai added her fighting capabilities in a new game, she didn't have them from the start. Where as Sheik had something. Even Zelda had two shows where she fought, and two games(canon doesn't matter, remember?)

@Weavel: Not really. He was even flatter than TP Ganondorf. Who was flat enough.(Zant was more interesting) He got his time in the sun in Melee. Let's see another version of him, whether the Oracle Concept Art or WW version. Plus, TP Ganonndorf looked kickass.

Yes, Use oracle concept art and duel blades.

 

[Metal Overlord]

So, it's looking like they're may not be an Episode 3 of Sonic 4 after all

Shame, I still want to play as Knuckles

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Though if Super Tails is in, that might make up for it

 

[Hoots]

Magnus reminds me of a badass.

@Chrono: I see. I was talking about in complete game form though.

Generic JRPG "badass" maybe. Couldn't be any more uninspired if ya ask me.

As disappointed as I am about Medusa's lessened chances, I like Palutena too. Medusa's concept art just looks so damn cool! Also, to those making fun of people who "believe" the fake roster, I don't think anyone ACTUALLY believes it. I think it would be nice to believe it, so people like to entertain the idea, knowing its all bs.

 

[Conviction]

I'm a sucker for JRPGs though. Like I said haters gonna hate.

 

[Johnknight1]

Honestly(and yes, I did mean what disfunk said), if it was going to happen, it probs would've been in Brawl. They're apparently easy to make, and SPM came out April 19, 2007 in Japan. Plenty of time.

The story/gaemplay/development of Super Paper Mario (and console it was on) changed so much, I'm surprised we got anything from Super Paper Mario in Brawl!

So far in Smash, we have gotten no true alternate outfits (outside of Wario). You could argue Daisy Peach and maybe tan Luigi (in smash 64 and Melee), but that's about it!

And lastly, most of the graphic designers were busy making stuff for that awful single-player mode in Brawl, which is why there are barely more alternate outfits per character than there were in Smash 64 or Melee. I think given the larger staff making Smash Wii U/3DS, simple alternate outfit like Mr. L will be more common in Smash 3DS/Wii U.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Luigi= Mr L
Mewtwo= Armored Mewtwo
Squirtle= Sunglasses Squirtle

 

[Diddy Kong]

The point is that when Sakurai initially decided Melee's roster, Zelda was on his list, Ganondorf was not.

Not true, he was at least considered to be a sword fighting character as seen with the beta with him holding a sword. Guess they couldn't make a good moveset in time, thus scrapped him and later revived him as a clone character.

So basically, the only planned newcomers for Zelda in Melee where basically just Zelda / Sheik and Ganondorf. That's like Mario had 3 newcomers, plus we got Young Link. And cause of Young Link, Toon Link got in Brawl more or less. With so many newcomers for just one series, I really think they aren't so conservative as for adding many newcomers from a specific series.

But its also why I expect a lot will change for the Zelda series in this next game. I'm myself excited to see the 3 main characters better balanced and revamped. I'd even cut Toon Link, merge him with Link, and Sheik of coarse, with a spiritual successor in Impa if we need more space for a better balanced overall roster.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yes, Use oracle concept art and duel blades.

Ganondorf isn't even in the Oracle games. So... no. I'd only accept that version if he was still a clone.

If he's going to use dual blades he needs to be Toon Ganondorf or OOT Ganon.

It has to make somewhat sense. Plus, that concept art is cool and all, but we have a REAL version of Ganondorf available. Wind Waker was extremely popular too.

 

[Johnknight1]

Hey Metal Overlord, we need to give Charizard and Ivysaur some sunglasses, too. Maybe even give some to the Pokémon Trainer!

*reads Kid Icarus spoilers*

Welp....

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Medusa isn't the big bad. Apparently its Hades.

I saw this coming weeks ago.

 

[ChronoBound]

Not true, he was at least considered to be a sword fighting character as seen with the beta with him holding a sword. Guess they couldn't make a good moveset in time, thus scrapped him and later revived him as a clone character.

Diddy, don't spread false information. There is absolutely no proof that Ganondorf was planned as a sword-wielding character earlier in development. The poses with his sword for the victory theme and trophy is likely a reference to the Space World 2000 tech demo.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Which likely would've been inspiration for his moveset as the blade was clearly held by him in the beta version as hackers have quite early found out.

 

[ChronoBound]

Which likely would've been inspiration for his moveset as the blade was clearly held by him in the beta version as hackers have quite early found out.

You are thinking of an Action Replay code that allows Ganondorf to hold his sword in the middle of gameplay.

Like I said, there is no proof that Ganondorf was intended to be anything other than a Captain Falcon clone in Melee.

 

[Johnknight1]

We know next to nothing about anything involving the sword in Melee with Ganondorf. The only thing we know is that Ganondorf's taunt involving a sword in Brawl is a joke. It is possibly referencing to that Melee victory pose, the Nintendo Space World trailer, or to Ganondorf having a sword in every Legend of Zelda game he appears in.

 

[ChronoBound]

We know next to nothing about anything involving the sword in Melee with Ganondorf. The only thing we know is that Ganondorf's taunt involving a sword in Brawl is a joke. It is possibly referencing to that Melee victory pose, the Nintendo Space World trailer, or to Ganondorf having a sword in every Legend of Zelda game he appears in.

Ganon did not ever use a sword.

Ganondorf did not have a sword in Ocarina of Time.

 

[SmashChu]

Now, the only Kid Icarus newcomer I am expecting is Palutena. Regardless of how well this game does, I think the only new character will be Palutena.

As disappointed as I am about Medusa's lessened chances, I like Palutena too. Medusa's concept art just looks so damn cool! Also, to those making fun of people who "believe" the fake roster, I don't think anyone ACTUALLY believes it. I think it would be nice to believe it, so people like to entertain the idea, knowing its all bs.

What happened while I'm gone? Is it something to do with this leak?

 

[ChronoBound]

What happened while I'm gone? Is it something to do with this leak?

Spoilers that basically torpedoed Medusa's chances.

 

[SmashChu]

Spoilers that basically torpedoed Medusa's chances.

Read in the backroom thread. It's because she

Spoiler

isn't the final boss.

I really don't get it. I mean, we expect Ridley but

Spoiler

he's never been the final boss either.

Thinking on it, not sure why this matters.

 

[ChronoBound]

Read in the backroom thread. It's because she

Spoiler

isn't the final boss.

I really don't get it. I mean, we expect Ridley but

Spoiler

he's never been the final boss either.

Thinking on it, not sure why this matters.

No it goes beyond that.

Spoiler

Medusa basically gets taken care of half-way through Uprising or 2/3. The real villain so far as we know was Hades, who resurrected Medusa to distract Palutena and Pit while he caused chaos on earth to gather souls of mankind. It basically escalates to the point where another goddess, Viridi, also wants to kill off mankind. Aliens also decide to join in the fun and take over the Earth. Pure Sakurai craziness. The point is that Medusa is not even a Zant, she was simply one of many antagonists for Uprising.

Also, Ridley was the final boss of Zero Mission.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

No it goes beyond that.

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Medusa basically gets taken care of half-way through Uprising or 2/3. The real villain so far as we know was Hades, who resurrected Medusa to distract Palutena and Pit while he caused chaos on earth to gather souls of mankind. It basically escalates to the point where another goddess, Viridi, also wants to kill off mankind. Aliens also decide to join in the fun and take over the Earth. Pure Sakurai craziness. The point is that Medusa is not even a Zant, she was simply one of many antagonists for Uprising.

Now watch these

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aliens

look like a certain puffball we all know and love.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Wait... that was a SWORD in that win pose of Ganondorf's in Melee?

 

[Pieman0920]

In regards to Medusa and Ridley:

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Medusa probably still does rank as the best choice for a Kid Icarus villain because even if she's small time in Uprising, she was still the first. The problem with her inclusion now though is that Palutena is the clear better choice when you consider how they seemed about even before. Ridley is sort of the same but doesn't have a Palutena equivalent to compete with, and also has many more games and a bigger stake in Samus' origins.

 

[SmashChu]

No it goes beyond that.

Spoiler

Medusa basically gets taken care of half-way through Uprising or 2/3. The real villain so far as we know was Hades, who resurrected Medusa to distract Palutena and Pit while he caused chaos on earth to gather souls of mankind. It basically escalates to the point where another goddess, Viridi, also wants to kill off mankind. Aliens also decide to join in the fun and take over the Earth. Pure Sakurai craziness. The point is that Medusa is not even a Zant, she was simply one of many antagonists for Uprising.

Also, Ridley was the final boss of Zero Mission.

Trying to avoid seeing a lot. Just want to make sure.

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Medusa is dealt with 2/3 the way into the game right. She basically disappears after that?

 

[Pieman0920]

Trying to avoid seeing a lot. Just want to make sure.

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Medusa is dealt with 2/3 the way into the game right. She basically disappears after that?

Spoiler

There has been no mention of her. There's only one person leaking information and he's been somewhat sparse on the minor details, and I think at this point Medusa's fate is a minor detail. Also no one has asked him about it.

 

[Diddy Kong]

You are thinking of an Action Replay code that allows Ganondorf to hold his sword in the middle of gameplay.

Like I said, there is no proof that Ganondorf was intended to be anything other than a Captain Falcon clone in Melee.

Well, he also has it on a trophy of him. So at the very least I think it has been considered.

 

[SmashChu]

Spoiler

There has been no mention of her. There's only one person leaking information and he's been somewhat sparse on the minor details, and I think at this point Medusa's fate is a minor detail. Also no one has asked him about it.

Alright, thanks for the downlow Pieman.

 

[ChronoBound]

Uh..., I saw this posted at NeoGAF. Sound really too awkward to believe and I don't believe this at face value either, but I will post it here anyway.

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"Dude, Edge reported a 'brutal' sex scene in their review. I kept chasing Rich@IGN up about it on twitter but he only gave me coy replies.

Somebody else mentioned a sex scene earlier, what's the age rating?"

 

[Diddy Kong]

Wait... that was a SWORD in that win pose of Ganondorf's in Melee?

Yes? What else would it be?

Chrono is that about Kid Icarus?? O.o

 

[Metal Overlord]

Kid Icarus: Uprising, an E10-rated game, has a sex scene

Kid Icarus: Uprising, an E10-rated game, has a sex scene

An E-10 rated game has a sex scene

Seems legit

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm not surprised anymore.