New Smash Bros for WiiU

[ChronoBound]

ChronoBound, I think you were the one to tell me, but did Sakurai say "Would people even know of her?" or did he say something more like "You know who she is?" in response to someone suggesting her?

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Kind of forgot. :I

Because if he said "Would people even know of her," then that would suggest TO ME that he thinks she's too obscure, because her situation has not changed since that time. (Save for a Captain Rainbow cameo, but, I mean, you know.)

Sakurai response to someone requesting Lip was this:

Lip. How many people know who she is?

On the topic of Panel de Pon, I feel it is a true masterpiece. Everyone should play it if they ever get the chance to do so.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Poppy Bro: Me too, so damn much. Evil's theme from Stafy 3 is a beast, too.

Heck, I'd be okay with just this: Densetsu no Stafy 3-Meeting the Boss Eye to Eye


Old Man Lobber mini-boss: Basically this, only not freakishly hard.

 

[BirthNote]

I never said that people wanted Toad and Doc more, don't jump to conclusions.
What I'm saying that speculated characters only get so far. Take Brawl for example. There were a crapton of speculated Mario characters that didn't make it. Among them, Toad and Bowser Jr. Hell, GENO was a big hit at the time, bigger than Toad or Jr.! And you know who was considered before them? DR. MARIO. If Doc was the error you say he is, why was he planned while Young Link and Pichu were not? And don't say "he was an error because he didn't make it" because neither did Mewtwo and Roy, which would label both as errors as well. While you probably would say Roy was an error, you can't honestly say Mewtwo was.

And I wasn't aware Jr. was the main villain of NSMB. So my mistake on that.
HOWEVER, you can't discount Luigi's Mansion 2 simply because it's not out yet. It's going to be out before Sm4sh is anywhere near completion.
Otherwise, all the speculation over another Kid Icarus character should cease, due to only having 2 games (only 1 game if you're in Japan) presently.

Only the ignorant complained about the clones, because they didn't know it was either 6 clones or 1 non clone. And really, people are ignorant for complaining about clones, due to the fact near EVERY FIGHTING GAME HAS THEM.

But you have no problem with predicting Toad and Doc instead of Toad and Jr./Paper/Walui.
There will always be tons of speculated characters for an SSB. Some are reasonable choices, others are from the left field. Geno's 3rd party, and a few users have posted and reposted Sakurai's statement on how effortlessly simple it is to add 3rd party characters. With that in mind, would you really expect him to add a 3rd party Mario character when there are 1st party ones still unplayable? Since Dr. Mario was already in the game it would be slightly easier to consider him over Toad and 1 of the other 3. It would probably be easier to keep Pichu instead of the Pokemon Trainer. Also, keep in mind that we still got a young Link in Brawl, and that Pokemon got new fighters, whereas Mario got none and lost someone who never left. I should also point out that different series get different reasons for cuts.

Fine, you're right. I shouldn't discount LM2. Since I'm including that, King Boo's roles still doesn't surpass Bowser Jr.'s.

And TBH, saying that only ignorants complained about clones is jumping to conclusions. So is predicting Toad and Doc. OH, and smash isn't other fighting games.

EDIT:

Many people say that Krystal could use her staff if she was playable, but from what I've heard about her role in Star Fox Adventure; she's basically a damsel in distress, only training Fox to use it and then getting trapped in some ice thing. Is that correct? If so, then I don't think that she'll be using her staff if she becomes playable, which makes cloning her just as easy as it was for Falco.

Nah...you play as her before she gets imprisoned, so she's still pretty likely to use her staff because that's what she used. You could probably just YouTube it without wasting too much of your time since you play as her through like the 1st 2% of the game. :/

I'd say its a long game though.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Chrono: So Sakurai "advertises" PDP in Smash in order to make more people to play it? Sounds stupid, I know.

If that's so, he has succeeded, at least making me a fan of Puzzle League by his hinting references at Lip.

 

[nLiM8d]

Give me some material I can fill here.

SmashChu, your arguments precede you in that you often have no idea what you're talking about let alone to challenge others on what they say.

Your very words thwart themselves. I'd almost go as far as to say I'm embarrassed for you. BUT I am prepared to explain point for point how I mean, so I'm ready if you are willing. Something that I severely doubt (in all my years of knowing about you) that you could say for yourself.

You want a civil discussion? By all means, bring it on.

 

[Shurikan]

Smash ball idea-

Have each character have a meter. When ever they ko an opponent, perform great combos or taunt alot, the meter fills by 1/5. When its full (5/5) the player uses a taunt and they get surrounded by the smash ball aura and they can then use the final smash by pressing B.

see i thought that too but i just thought if the opponent is getting F*** by some one they shouldnt have to get super F***ed in the end as well. but i dunno.

 

[Deleted member]

I consider Lip to be a "retro" character since her game was over 15 years ago on the SNES and will be 19 by the time SSB4 is out.

Her SERIES lives on and has had recent titles.

Calling Lip a Retro is the same as calling Wart or Gooey a Retro. (While they don't appear in their respective series anymore, they are still part of a series that isn't considered Retro)

That, and she's Japan only. You know Sakurai is turned off by that.

 

[ChronoBound]

That, and she's Japan only. You know Sakurai is turned off by that.

Sakurai: Then why did I add Marth, Roy, and Lucas?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

One thing: these days any obscurity brought to Smash Bros will get somewhat "revived". Sakurai has even himself acknowledged this in his recent interview on Uprising, so why wouldn't he just bring Lip back to limelight from obscurity by making her playable?
She'll be no obscurity anymore then, and I'm sure many would try out Puzzle League, much to Sakurai's enjoyment.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Starfy's Victory Music: Starfy Dance. Booyah.

 

[ChronoBound]

One thing: these days any obscurity brought to Smash Bros will get somewhat "revived". Sakurai has even himself acknowledged this in his recent interview on Uprising, so why wouldn't he just bring Lip back to life? She'll be no obscurity anymore then, and I'm sure many would try out Puzzle League, much to Sakurai's enjoyment.

Sakurai: Actually, I was planning Lip for Smash 4. However, I wanted to bring her back so that I could make her the main protagonist of a magical girl adventure game, but Intelligent Systems said that would be blasphemy against the Panel de Pon series, so I dropped it. Mach Rider or Takamaru it is then.

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai: Then why did I add Marth, Roy, and Lucas?

Marth was added because he was a heavily requested character in Japan.
Roy was added to beef up the Roster and serve for advertisement.

Both were originally planned to be excluded from international release.

Lucas was planned for Melee as Ness' replacement (and at that time, Mother 3 was to be Earthbound 64 (not locked to Japan)). While he ended up being Japan only, it didn't end up being a roadblock for him due to being planned for Melee.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Chroonoo, XDDD

You know, I might even see this happening. But Intelligent Systems had already omitted fairies in Puzzle League DS... so why would they care, actually?

Takamaru as a Magical Girl then.

 

[Deleted member]

Mach Rider as a Magical Girl.

Bricks would be ****.

 

[Metal Overlord]

You sure like using that trollface emoticon, don't ya, Chrono

 

[yani]

Have yall played Pushmo?

 

[ChronoBound]

You sure like using that trollface emoticon, don't ya, Chrono

If there was a smiley of Sakurai laughing I would use that instead.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Metal: That's more of Sakurai doing that trollface. (-'.'-)

 

[Metal Overlord]

LOL that needs to happen

Is there a way we can do that?

 

[gsninja]

If there was a smiley of Sakurai laughing I would use that instead.

Don't we already have it:

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Sakurai though wouldn't use her as the new "Pit". Just make her playable, and BOOM- more fans, and eventually a new Puzzle League game released. Takamaru can be brought back to life by Sakurai in his own game, anyway!

Just make Lip playable...?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Doc should be an alternate costume rather than a playable character.

I would say so. Dr. Mario's only real shot is as an alternate costume .

I agree completely.

Speaking of Krystal, I actually thought Star Fox: Adventures was a good game

I never understood the hate for it

Probably because Star Fox Adventures seems to have more in common with the The Legend of Zelda series than the actual Star Fox series.

 

[Aurane]

Kind of saying that no one is going to come up with a good idea on their own. The biggest fools are the ones that think their the smartest person in the room.

<__> Whatumeanhavenoidea...

I think I'm the one who started* a good Adventure mode idea. Just saying -_- Also, if the smartest one in the room says he/she is, who is to prove he's not? Are you going to test him/her with a math test, or something ? Just an FYI, I'm definatly NOT the smartest person in the room, but I've made my accomplishments here, so obviously I have something in my head

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Example: I made the CoOp Adventure mode idea. Ya'll liked it (Though I have not done one in some time). Another one is Victini support, which I've done exceptionally well at, too. (of course if you alrdy knew this, ignore this).

 

[Deleted member]

We've got Mach Rider, Takamaru, and Muddy Mole for Retro spot choices due to things Sakurai had said.
Who's for all three?

 

[Metal Overlord]

I swear, M&S Guy and SSBF are like yin-yang twins

@Golden- I am

 

[Shurikan]

So why don't why we use Shurikan's system?

@Shurikan: What if you could use a different Final Smash depending on which B move you press? Like:
Kirby
B: Cook Kirby
Side B: Monster Flame
Up B: Crash Kirby
Down B: Grand Hammer
But you can only use one of these per Smash Ball. Thoughts?

damn we must be connected through pika aura cause as soon as i thought of this you posted it. lol

 

[BirthNote]

I guess the debate's over.

Speaking of Krystal, I actually thought Star Fox: Adventures was a good game

I never understood the hate for it

The music was very good. Dave Wise, who is known for DKC composed it.

 

[Deleted member]

Her SERIES lives on and has had recent titles.

Calling Lip a Retro is the same as calling Wart or Gooey a Retro. (While they don't appear in their respective series anymore, they are still part of a series that isn't considered Retro)

That, and she's Japan only. You know Sakurai is turned off by that.

But the fact that she hasn't made a major role in a game for over 15 years still makes her retro. So I would say Sakurai considers the character "retro".

Sakurai never said he would be turned off by Japan-only characters, just limit it.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I just found this, and it's funny. Look at the second one. lol?

 

[yani]

@Golden I don't really care for Mach Rider, but I'd like to see the other two

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Yuui: I would love to see Muddy.(Loved Mole Mania, anyway)

Mach Rider... seems like many EXPECT Sakurai to revive him. (Expect Oasis who clearly wants him)
(-l_i-)

If they were to add Takamaru, they must collaborate with KOEI on that. (Would though irk me a damn lot Sakurai considers a mode Takamaru's "second game..." He needs a PROPER game!)

SSBF: True there. Even Intelligent Systems seems to acknowledge this by adding Lip's stage as an unlockable in the japanese versions of Puzzle League DS (Clear all the puzzles.)

NOA locked it away, but it can be still accessed by using Action Replay.

 

[Conviction]

If I seem more out-to-get than usual is because my mother has already pissed me off multiple times at work while she just sits on her *** and does nothing and then when the restuarant is finally close she holds me there another 2 hours so I miss my date with my girlfriend, who is probably mad at me because my cell died and I wasn't able to tell her what was going on or respond to her texts she was sending me. So **** it

Here comes the fun part, let's dance!

If it's not popular, it means people don't like it. They tend to go together.

I know people have already why this is wrong but I don't care

he's popular but some people hate his games and fanbase see: Shortie
Goombas, not hated but no exactly popular

Going 1 by 1 (note the theme though)
1)Smash isn't other fighting games nor does it ever try to be. Also, I think Sakurai knows it becomes the focus when on screen. Lastly, why is the shift in focus bad.
2)The Smash Ball tends to favor the losing player, but it also tends to float around randomly or trying to avoid people in general. It's not a big deal.
3)Why is shifting focus to this REALLY POWERFUL ITEM a bad thing. Same thing happened when a Pokeball dropped.
4)I never thought to myself "Oh man, I really need by B now instead of the final smash. Once you have it, the focus is on using it. Not really other things.

• I can agree with this first point
• It is a big deal when also breaks easier for the losing player. Balanced? I think not. As appears closer to the loser.
• Earlier deaths due to camera shift. Also takes away from the importance of the (PvP)vS aspect of the game.
• That's you, me and my friends (I still play casual time to time because that is still fun) and we've had times where we've wanted to save the smash ball and being able to use the B button would have been helpful.
  Smash interfernce, where the B button would have been nice
  Fox's Laser
  Falco's Laser
  Wolf's Laser
  

yeah you get the point

Sakurai has said numerous time that he made the game to be simpliler. From his Melee interview.
I had created Smash Bros. to be my response to how hardcore-exclusive the fighting game genre had become over the years," Sakurai said. "But why did I target it so squarely toward people well-versed in videogames, then? That's why I tried to aim for more of a happy medium with Brawl's play balance.
There are more quotes like these hanging around. The Iwata Ask has more I'm sure.

This is purely based on how you interpert the quote. In the same article Sakurai mentions melee being the epotime of Smash hard-core and competitiveness, so when at least one smash game example, doesn't matter if you want to label it as an outlier, can be used as evidence that maybe once again Smash can take the competitive route from within. Even though no matter how Smash comes out we competitive players with use the options that Sakurai gave us and make a ruleset that fits us within the realm that does not break the original game coding.

Ever wonder why competitive Brawl standard isn't one of the hacked versions? (-,+,Balanced, etc.) It's because we seek the day that Nintendo will finally sponsor us, which would help both parties

• Nintendo gets money and publicity from competitive gamers showcasing their game on streams and word of mouth from well known venues
• Competitive players get bigger pots, MORE sponsorships, maybe get a say-so in balancing issues, etc.

I act like I know it because Sakurai said it. This is called learning rather than assuming. What I've been talking about this whole time is understanding the purpose of it's design rather than question it (and I don't question it because it's proven successful, something we've argued). So when I say it's not made for competitive players, In say it because it came from the horse's mouth.

This goes back to the above paragraph. It's completely how you want to see it. Don't make your own reality, these are the words you've spoken to me...am I wrong?

The Horse's mouth also states Melee was made for competitive play. Go read your article again homie.

Second, Sakurai is balancing the game and you can tell from the changes in Brawl (look at Link). Balancing is good, but it's irrelevant if you aren't doing constant updates. Blizzard does this and Capcom is starting too, but not enough (they tend to go for fewer and bigger, which isn't better).

Imo Balancing got worse from Melee to Brawl because of these two characters,

Lastly, assuming items are not part of the balance is ignorant. They are a part of the game. Maps are a part of balance in other games. Why wouldn't items be either. Final Smashes are also a balance technique. Give me a good reason why they are somehow out of the process.

Just because he tried to balance them makes them balanced. In melee competitively, items were around for a good 4 years, (if you tell me that is not a good sampling time...) and was removed to how unbalanced they were by year 5.

Let me answer Final Smashes are also a balance technique with a question. Are Final Smashes like Super Sonic and Volt Tackle balanced compared to 's final smash or 's?

Please do. I got to head back to college in a bit so I can't tear into this one.

I got this

Listen to this memphisto, trying to preach when he should be practicing.

You don't seem to comprehend that it is your interpretation that has veiled you from seeing the man's words for what they are. It seems you're attempting to assimilate these points to how you view the argument.

Its no more complex than that, yet you continue to make it out to be.

I this is the first time you've used words and I couldn't understand you.

So, you're saying everyone's dumb? Props to you, I suppose ._.

But he called me smart

Sakurai: Then why did I add Marth, Roy, and Lucas?

Real talk, I haven't seen you say one meaningful thing in this thread since the announcement of that new FE game.

 

[ChronoBound]

Chrono: I would love to see Muddy.(Loved Mole Mania, anyway)

Mach Rider... seems like many EXPECT Sakurai to revive him. (Expect Oasis who clearly wants him)
(-l_i-)

If they were to add Takamaru, they must collaborate with KOEI on that. (Would though irk me a damn lot Sakurai considers a mode Takamaru's "second game..." He needs a PROPER game!)

I never brought up Muddy Mole and neither did Sakurai.

I still think that if we get a retro resurrection character it will either be Mach Rider or Takamaru. However, Lip is a possible dark horse.

 

[Deleted member]

I guess the debate's over.

You posted? ****, that means I have to go back a few pages just to read a damn argument....

@Limelight: Captain Rainbow begs to differ. She was in that.
Also, while not her, but looking just like her, her daughter was the main character of a sequel to her game. And in Planet Puzzle League as well as Puzzle League Express, you can unlock a theme that features her. Though I think think that it's only unlockable in Japan.

 

[ChronoBound]

@Limelight: Captain Rainbow begs to differ. She was in that.

Takamaru and many other retro Nintendo characters were in that too. I don't think an apperance as a NPC in a game that bombed necessarily takes one out of the retro classification.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Chrono: Sorry, I meant GoldenYuui. (-=^l-);

Yuui: As I wrote above, only unlockable in Japan.

 

[nLiM8d]

I this is the first time you've used words and I couldn't understand you.

How do you think SmashChu feels?

Trust me its going to get a whole lot more intense. Ignorance is no excuse for misinterpretation.

 

[yani]

32 people viewing! Awesome

 

[ChronoBound]

Real talk, I haven't seen you say one meaningful thing in this thread since the announcement of that new FE game.

I have said plenty things of worth. Just nothing you have agreed with.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Yani: Yeah, laughing all way to the bank! XDD