New Smash Bros for WiiU

[ChronoBound]

I would not mind Dr. Mario coming back, however, I know this would anger many people if he got a spot on the character selection screen. Frankly, Doc's best hope is being brought back as a costume (though Sakurai ruled this out pre-Melee, saying Dr. Mario could not throw fireballs).

Also, I am trying to find that interview with Sakurai in which he pretty much denies Smash Bros. being a fighting game series (or something along those lines). It was in Nintendo Power.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I wonder though, if they seriously considered Doc again over Lip, I guess that means Sakurai doesn't think highly of her. (Only just takes away her property for Smashing)

Sucks to support her at times...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

/Double post, whoops/

 

[Deleted member]

@BirthNote: Ah, but that's the key word; Speculated. These characters are just what people ASSUME would/should make the cut.
Bowser Jr. is just as persistant as the other Koopalings in terms of number of times he tried to defeat Mario.
A better persistant villain to use in my eyes would be King Boo or Kamek.
King Boo is Luigi's main villain, rather than Mario's and has been featured in numerous games since his debut, which was before Jr., by the way. Hell, he's going to be the main villain again in the upcoming Luigi's Mansion 2! When was the last time Jr. was a main villain rather than a supporting one? Sunshine.
As for Kamek, he's been Yoshi's enemy for quite a while with Yoshi's own series, and Kamek has been bleeding into the Mario series as of late, making him more "Mario" than "Yoshi". Kamek's closer to Bowser than Jr. anyway.

And "error"? Really? Dr. Mario was an error? You do realise, that without Dr. Mario (and the other 5 clones), we would've only had 20 characters, excluding Sheik. We don't know who the 20th would've been, but it wouldn't have been any of the 6 clones.

 

[Oasis_S]

EDIT: Can't tell if serious, start using smilies if you aren't

You're an awful person.

 

[ChronoBound]

And "error"? Really? Dr. Mario was an error? You do realise, that without Dr. Mario (and the other 5 clones), we would've only had 20 characters, excluding Sheik. We don't know who the 20th would've been, but it wouldn't have been any of the 6 clones.

Sakurai: If Dr. Mario was an error, then why was I considering him before Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario for Brawl. Also, if Sheik is not important, then why was I going to make an original version of Sheik just so that Toon Zelda could transform.

It is interesting to think that if Toon Sheik got in, she would have been the first playable character to originate in Smash Bros. (though Roy technically appeared in Smash Bros. before FE6 was released, Toon Sheik was not even being planned for a future release, truly making her a Smash original character).

 

[Baskerville]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=312410&page=3
Scroll down when you see Ashley. Even though I don't support Ashley in Smash 4, I love this movelist.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Toon Sheik = Boycotting Smash Bros for good. That's more worse than R.O.B!!!

 

[Metal Overlord]

Oasis, you really are something, aren't you

 

[Oasis_S]

I'm having trouble thinking of something even more personal than "person."

"You're an awful memory to be left in this world."

Maybe that's too profound.

Anyway, tell your paranoia I said: ""

 

[ChronoBound]

Toon Sheik = Boycotting Smash Bros for good. That's more worse than R.O.B!!!

ROB had an interesting moveset. Personally, I don't buy the story of being "important". I just think he was selected because Sakurai thought a robot would be a cool addition to the Smash Bros. roster that others would appreciate. However, he definitely threw everyone for a loop when he revealed ROBs as enemies on the Dojo which made most think that they were deconfirmed. However, ROB shares the similarity with Mr. Game & Watch as being a creation of Gunpei Yokoi.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I gots bad nerves, Oasis, you can't be trollin' me that hard

Lol, is Toon Sheik even a real character, BTW?

 

[Oasis_S]

ROB had an interesting moveset. Personally, I don't buy the story of being "important". I just think he was selected because Sakurai thought a robot would be a cool addition to the Smash Bros. roster that others would appreciate. However, he definitely threw everyone for a loop when he revealed ROBs as enemies on the Dojo which made most think that they were deconfirmed. However, ROB shares the similarity with Mr. Game & Watch as being a creation of Gunpei Yokoi.

On that note, I think one thing is clear: Sakurai knows how to surprise people.

I mean, he intentionally left Sheik off the Dojo until after the game was PLANNED to be released, because he figured no one would expect Sheik to return since she wasn't in Twilight Princess. And he was right, everyone was surprised. I don't think I'm jumping to conclusions here?

 

[BirthNote]

@BirthNote: Ah, but that's the key word; Speculated. These characters are just what people ASSUME would/should make the cut.
Bowser Jr. is just as persistant as the other Koopalings in terms of number of times he tried to defeat Mario.
A better persistant villain to use in my eyes would be King Boo or Kamek.
King Boo is Luigi's main villain, rather than Mario's and has been featured in numerous games since his debut, which was before Jr., by the way. Hell, he's going to be the main villain again in the upcoming Luigi's Mansion 2! When was the last time Jr. was a main villain rather than a supporting one? Sunshine.
As for Kamek, he's been Yoshi's enemy for quite a while with Yoshi's own series, and Kamek has been bleeding into the Mario series as of late, making him more "Mario" than "Yoshi". Kamek's closer to Bowser than Jr. anyway.

And "error"? Really? Dr. Mario was an error? You do realise, that without Dr. Mario (and the other 5 clones), we would've only had 20 characters, excluding Sheik. We don't know who the 20th would've been, but it wouldn't have been any of the 6 clones.

So people really want Toad in and Doctor Mario instead of Toad and Bowser Jr./Waluigi/Paper Mario? Why have 6 Mario slots? King Boo is not as recurring as Bowser Jr., Luigi's Mansion 2 isn't out anywhere yet (making him the main villain of 1 game) and Kamek would be better off in Yoshi's category, so he shouldn't be mentioned here. Also, Bowser Jr. was the main villain of Sunshine and New Super Mario Bros. DS, is a step above the koopalings, and has been in more main Mario games than his siblings, such as:

Mario Sunshine--Main antagonist
New Super Mario Bros. DS--Main antagonist
Super Mario Galaxy--Secondary antagonist
New Super Mario Bros. Wii--supporting antagonist
Super Mario Galaxy 2--Secondary antagonist

Compared to:
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
New Super Mario Bros. Wii

One of Melee's biggest complaints are "too many clones!". When Brawl was speculated, even in its earliest days, people hoped that characters would be decloned and for a clone-free roster. It was so bad, that even now you can't suggest some characters without many writing them off as clones.

 

[ChronoBound]

On that note, I think one thing is clear: Sakurai knows how to surprise people.

I mean, he intentionally left Sheik off the Dojo until after the game was PLANNED to be released, because he figured no one would expect Sheik to return since she wasn't in Twilight Princess. And he was right, everyone was surprised. I don't think I'm jumping to conclusions here?

The way Sakurai worded Lucas's update made everyone think Ness was cut, which was very by Sakurai's part.

 

[Oasis_S]

It was, wasn't it? No matter how you read it, he said it, Ness isn't coming back. I think we even knew of his plans with Lucas in Melee at that point as well?

I DUNNO, Sakurai's a jerk.

[laughs]

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Not saying R.O.B was bad, but remember the reception he got?

But still, Toon Sheik, Doc and many other duplicates. So is Mr.Masashiro Sakurai wanting to make Smash Bros a " Mario Link Pikachu Kirby Fighting Game", but is being held back by millions of Nintendo-fans expecting it to be a Nintendo-tribute? Give me a break, this Sakurai's bias and totally UNORIGINAL ideas for characters at times is really making me stop following Smash soon enough.

There, I said it. (-ì^í-)*

And Oasis, stop trolling Metal.
(-ò___ó-)

Sakurai BTW trolled us though more badly by making Ness ****ING INFERIOR AND WEAK when compared TO LUCAS. (This made me rage as much as the time when I discovered that Starfy being oh, so WEAK?!!)

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

The difference between Doc and PM is the fact that PM can have an original moveset that actually comes from his game, such as partners, hammers, and Pixls. In Dr. Mario, what does Doc do? He throws pills. There was nothing to go off, and the roster had to be buffed, so they chose Doc as an easy-to-make Mario clone with one aesthetic change. Not only that, but PM also acts and plays completely different from regular Mario. All in all, PM is the better choice compared to Doc.

 

[ChronoBound]

One of Melee's biggest complaints are "too many clones!". When Brawl was speculated, even in its earliest days, people hoped that characters would be decloned and for a clone-free roster. It was so bad, that even now you can't suggest some characters without many writing them off as clones.

There were many people content with the idea of clones existing in Smash Bros. up until Sakurai confirmed cuts from Melee's roster to Brawl.

It was, wasn't it? No matter how you read it, he said it, Ness isn't coming back. I think we even knew of his plans with Lucas in Melee at that point as well?

I DUNNO, Sakurai's a jerk.

[laughs]

Yes, people knew about Sakurai's plans for Melee to replace Ness with Lucas, which made even more people think Ness was gone.

I was very upset with that development, and was fearing for other characters as well as a result of it. I was not expecting Mewtwo to be cut during pre-Brawl though.

 

[Metal Overlord]

He aight, Horsetail, but about the ROB thing: I bet people would've had the same reaction to seeing Mr. Game and Watch in Melee if the internet were as big back then as it is today.

Eventually, people'll get over it

 

[MrGame&Rock]

He aight, Horsetail, but about the ROB thing: I bet people would've had the same reaction to seeing Mr. Game and Watch in Melee if the internet were as big back then as it is today.

Eventually, people'll get over it

Or better yet, they'll realize it's freaking awesome instead of decrying it.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Toon Sheik though. That's just UNORIGINAL. Tetra's million times more better than her, and would at least be a representative on Wind Waker. Toon Shiek again... she doesn't even originate from anywhere.

 

[Oasis_S]

I think I remember being more upset with Wolf, because initially I (and others) thought he was a clone. After watching some VIDEOS, I could see he was a lot different.

 

[Pachinkosam]

Toad is already with princess peach so we don't need it unless toad has its own game. Wario's woods is excluded since it's a puzzle game.

Mario is already there so no need for doc.
He can be accepted as another one of Mario's skins.

more characters the better vinyl

 

[BirthNote]

There were many people content with the idea of clones existing in Smash Bros. up until Sakurai confirmed cuts from Melee's roster to Brawl.

There were also people who complained about characters being similar.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I think I remember being scared for the Ice Climbers' chances at some point during Pre-Brawl. I was also very upset about Mewtwo because I played as him all the time in Melee.

 

[Deleted member]

I wonder though, if they seriously considered Doc again over Lip, I guess that means Sakurai doesn't think highly of her. (Only just takes away her property for Smashing)

Sucks to support her at times...

There's always that quote in that he considers Panel De Pon a masterpiece.

I don't think we'll see Dr. Mario as a playable character in his own slot again. I'm also guessing Lip will appear in SSB5 (or we get lucky and she gets her chance this time around).

 

[Deleted member]

So people really want Toad in and Doctor Mario instead of Toad and Bowser Jr./Waluigi/Paper Mario? Why have 6 Mario slots? King Boo is not as recurring as Bowser Jr., Luigi's Mansion 2 isn't out anywhere yet (making him the main villain of 1 game) and Kamek would be better off in Yoshi's category, so he shouldn't be mentioned here. Also, Bowser Jr. was the main villain of Sunshine and New Super Mario Bros. DS, is a step above the koopalings, and has been in more main Mario games than his siblings, such as:

Mario Sunshine
New Super Mario Bros. DS
Super Mario Galaxy
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Super Mario Galaxy 2

Compared to:
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
New Super Mario Bros. Wii

One of Melee's biggest complaints are "too many clones!". When Brawl was speculated, even in its earliest days, people hoped that characters would be decloned and for a clone-free roster. It was so bad, that even now you can't suggest some characters without many writing them off as clones.

I never said that people wanted Toad and Doc more, don't jump to conclusions.
What I'm saying that speculated characters only get so far. Take Brawl for example. There were a crapton of speculated Mario characters that didn't make it. Among them, Toad and Bowser Jr. Hell, GENO was a big hit at the time, bigger than Toad or Jr.! And you know who was considered before them? DR. MARIO. If Doc was the error you say he is, why was he planned while Young Link and Pichu were not? And don't say "he was an error because he didn't make it" because neither did Mewtwo and Roy, which would label both as errors as well. While you probably would say Roy was an error, you can't honestly say Mewtwo was.

And I wasn't aware Jr. was the main villain of NSMB. So my mistake on that.
HOWEVER, you can't discount Luigi's Mansion 2 simply because it's not out yet. It's going to be out before Sm4sh is anywhere near completion.
Otherwise, all the speculation over another Kid Icarus character should cease, due to only having 2 games (only 1 game if you're in Japan) presently.

Only the ignorant complained about the clones, because they didn't know it was either 6 clones or 1 non clone. And really, people are ignorant for complaining about clones, due to the fact near EVERY FIGHTING GAME HAS THEM.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Ya know, I recently heard somewhere(and I don't know if this is true) that if The Legendary Starfy sells well enough, Nintendo will think about bringing the other 4 over to America.
Good sign for Starfy? Possibly. It depends on what happens.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I remember being super-scared for Jigglypuff to be cut. Once even prayed she'd make it.

At the end, she did. But she was so nerfed that I didn't like to play as her anymore. (-í_ì-)

 

[Deleted member]

@Limelight: I wouldn't hold my breath for Lip.
Brawl was her biggest chance, and she missed the boat.

 

[Oasis_S]

ChronoBound, I think you were the one to tell me, but did Sakurai say "Would people even know of her?" or did he say something more like "You know who she is?" in response to someone suggesting her?

Spoiler

Kind of forgot. :I

Because if he said "Would people even know of her," then that would suggest TO ME that he thinks she's too obscure, because her situation has not changed since that time. (Save for a Captain Rainbow cameo, but, I mean, you know.)

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Yuui: I don't as well: that's what I think of Krystal these days, anyway: she also missed it at Brawl.

Lip though is my wildcard wish for playable, it would Puzzle League/Panel De Pon and her a lot of honor and justice as the representative on Nintendo's puzzle genre/franchises.

Oasis: You have a very good point there. Now how come he just subtly refers to her though? Slight fanservice telling he cares about her? (-l.i-)

Sounds bit... heartwarming to me.

 

[Deleted member]

@Limelight: I wouldn't hold my breath for Lip.
Brawl was her biggest chance, and she missed the boat.

I consider Lip to be a "retro" character since her game was over 15 years ago on the SNES and will be 19 by the time SSB4 is out.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Speaking of Krystal, I actually thought Star Fox: Adventures was a good game

I never understood the hate for it

 

[Baskerville]

Speaking of Krystal, I actually thought Star Fox: Adventures was a good game

You're no the only one.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Oasis: You have a very good point there. Now how come he KEEPS ON referring to her though? Why he still cares about her? (-l.i-)

I mean, he thinks none would recognize her, yet he still refers to her the most of off-screen represented characters. (Item, music, that garbage block-cameo in Kirby's Stone-move)
Why?

I wonder what's next? A stage, or more music, maybe?

 

[Deleted member]

Many people say that Krystal could use her staff if she was playable, but from what I've heard about her role in Star Fox Adventure; she's basically a damsel in distress, only training Fox to use it and then getting trapped in some ice thing. Is that correct? If so, then I don't think that she'll be using her staff if she becomes playable, which makes cloning her just as easy as it was for Falco.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I want this in Sm4sh: Ogura's Theme V2
It's just...perfect for a Starfy song in Smash.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Poppy Bro: Me too, so damn much. Evil's theme from Stafy 3 is a beast, too.