New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Diddy Kong]

I actually was writing something like that, before my computer acted a fool. I suggested 25 or less characters, TWO B move options per character, and the team focusing stricly on balance.

(Ex: Pikachu could have Thundershock or Electro Ball, Skull bash or Iron Tail, Thunder or Double Team, Quick Attack or Volt Tackle ect)


And this is Smash, I don't think Sakurai has too much leaniency with the release date like he has with KIU.

25 characters only? That's not much. At the very least I would have 30. I'll make my roster right now.

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser
Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong
Yoshi, Wario
Kirby, Meta Knight, King DeDeDe
Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Impa
Pikachu, Mewtwo, Lucario, Jigglypuff
Marth, Chrome,
Samus, Captain Falcon, Ness, Olimar
Ice Climbers, Pit, Mr.Game & Watch, Takamaru, Little Mac

4 New comers, 1 returning character.
Many cuts.

 

[Conviction]

i dont know i just believe the balace issue is just based on if the game developers pull it off.


hmmmm..

well shooter games are competitive

and they have nothing BUT customizations.

call of dutys BS is horrid though they dont know what balance is. so dont think of that as a refrence.

Haha, but, my friend, shooters are completely different from fighters. Neither are they my forte of expertise but I'm sure shooters don't have mix-ups, fients, option selects, etc.

I think the best way to separate it is to make it a completely separate mode like Marvel's Heroes and Heralds mode. This could be that customization thing Sakurai was talking about for the 3DS version.

As for playstyles, yeah I agree that only a handful really stick out: Peach, Capt. Falcon, Jigglypuff, Marth, Fox, and Yoshi all come to mind.

• Part 1: I think that would sastify both parties in this debate haha
• Part 2: Don't forget Oli and Snake. That's why I want to look at a lot of movesets and see how we can change them so everyone feels like a completely new experience. Obviously, not every character can be some amazing surprise though.

@Poppy: I don't how GnW can be unique, he is as 2 demensional in playstyle (no matter how strategic a player you are) as he is a character concept.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Tell me more about that MvC thing Kuma. Never played it.

 

[Conviction]

this is just a thought, but it would be cool if there was an RPG mode in smash (won't happen probably, but:
Ike used Eruption.
It's super affective!
Ivysaur Fainted!)
lol

Well actually....Smash does use the pokemon effective system, but only on pokemon lol.

gets more precents from electric attacks
gets more from fire (Almost every character in Smash has a fire attack, so Ivy gets bodied)
gets more from water (but aren't really any water attacks in Smash)

 

[Big-Cat]

@Iblis
I was just thinking of some off of my head. Olimar and Snake definitely stick out. Though, do you think there should be some way to control which Pikmin you get (with the proper Pikmin balancing), and if so, how?

How would you make G&W a deeper character?

Do you think the type effectiveness thing should be tossed out to prevent some balance issues?

@Diddy
H&H is basically a mode where you equip cards for your team and balance is tossed out the window. There are things like Bursst X-Factor and a Parry card. Berserker might answer that one better as I don't have UMvC3?

 

[BirthNote]

@Iblis:
Oh. I realize mentioning Final Smashes wasn't a good choice, but I mainly brought up items that were spawned by fighters to get my point across. Reflectors, Olimar and Zelda's transforming were things I thought would be seen as risky ideas when originally envisioned.

I wasn't exactly sure what you meant by "are even broken". I figured it was 'aren't even broken' so I went from there.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Poor Squirtle can't approach Pika for ****. T'was to be expected though. And is very cool to have in actually.

 

[Oasis_S]

No Miis, just have this instead. Never liked the idea of a playable Mii in Smash, and never will. It will only be misused anyway.

I think you mean...

Miisused. BD



BDDD

But seriously that's dumb.

 

[Aurane]

@Asage: Like DBZ, Yu Yu Hakusho is a main part of my childhood. Also I got to know a lot of anime if I plan on going to Japan soon. So close to being fluent, H Japanese 3 da bess.

Wow. Me and you have the same idea goin' on :I I'm going to the official Pokemon Center in Tokyo (I think that's where it's at).

 

[Conviction]

Looking at my post count I think I'll start making my post a little more formal.

@Iblis
I was just thinking of some off of my head. Olimar and Snake definitely stick out. Though, do you think there should be some way to control which Pikmin you get (with the proper Pikmin balancing), and if so, how?

How would you make G&W a deeper character?

Do you think the type effectiveness thing should be tossed out to prevent some balance issues?

Idk how to fix, I guess it makes sense for him to be 2 demensional as a playstyle since he is a 2 demensional charcter.

My only ideas

Key
IASA Frames=Interrupt as soon as possible frames

• Add tight IASA frames in certain spots of his moves like Bair and Nair
• Slower smashes and make sure they have end lag so people have to actually think when using them, man how many times I see es get punished because they think because their move seems safe they can abuse it.

Idk about the effective system, I guess it can get removed, I think it was just a fan service no one really noticed. It's funny gets the best out of it because the only ground move is 's rock smash. How many s do you see running around

About I think he should stay the way he is, I think it's perfect, if you watch players like Nietono and Brood and how they manage pikmin it adds some more skill base to imo.

Wow. Me and you have the same idea goin' on :I I'm going to the official Pokemon Center in Tokyo (I think that's where it's at).

I'm going for the Smash community and more importantly to see if I want to live there, (I'll have to take my girlfriend with me too because she'll have say-so on it too...)

I plan on living in the Kanto region that includes Tokyo, I just hear living's expense there are crazy. inb4peoplethinkKantoisonlypokemon

@Birth: It's all good homie, I typo'd that one haha.

As a general thought to everyone: I think Smash should add some more original stages and were great ideas and I think they should do more. Also we need less walk-off stages and better platforming stages seeing how

• 1, Smash isn't Street Figher
• 2, It's PvPvS so platforming would definitely add to the versus stage part.

 

[Oasis_S]

@Iblis: I wish I could punch Rumble Falls in the nuts.

 

[BirthNote]

I'll just repost this as a stage idea:

I'm listening to Bowser's music from Mario Galaxy right now, and it would be AMAZING for him to have a castle level in space because this music is effing epic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYsp_U8zs9s&feature=related

I HAVE AN IDEA: Y'all know how we usually have a Mario series castle level, right? And that the Mushroomy Kingdom has an above ground and below ground level chosen at "random" right?! Well, what if they had a Peach's Castle/Bowser's Castle level in one "slot"?! Peach's Castle could have the familiar setting on Mario's planet, while Bowser's could be set in space. It would work wonders!

 

[MrGame&Rock]

you can. It's called Rumble Falls+

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Iblis- Off topic, but Yu Yu Hakusho?! I remember that from Toonami (god bless that block's soul...)

 

[Conviction]

@Iblis: I wish I could punch Rumble Falls in the nuts.

Wouldn't and just steal them?

I'll just repost this as a stage idea:

I really like the idea. Would the eachscastle: be a melee import and do you have a concept for Bowser's Castle?

Another general thought: The stick1: is so well mapped, why isn't the :zbutton:?

@Metal: Yep! Actually I think this is my favorite anime. Hiei started my anti-hero trend.

 

[Oasis_S]

So Diddy Kong likes nuts, is that what you're saying.

 

[BirthNote]

I really like the idea. Would the eachscastle: be a melee import and do you have a concept for Bowser's Castle?

I have no idea tbh. I thought up the concept and called it a day. XD

EDIT:

Yes does. LOL

@Birth: I wouldn't mind helping to make a Bowser's Stage concept. Also on second thought, I rather be able to choose both stages individually.

Yea choosing which castle was definitely part of my idea though. It would just be random if you didn't specify.

 

[JavaCroc]

What it amounts to is in Brawl the music was arranged in categories from A-Z in Brawl's coding. Two categories were absent in the list, the "O" and the "V" categories. If you look at the list below the "O" category falls in with new and miscellaneous series (L-S). Based upon this I have long speculated that there must have been a series (whether it be a stage or character) removed from the game.

A: Mario Series
B: DK Series
C: The Legend of Zelda Series
D: Metroid Series
E: Yoshi Series
F: Kirby Series
G: Star Fox Series
H: Pokemon Series
I: F-Zero Series
J: Fire Emblem Series
K: Earthbound Series
L: Pikmin Series
M: WarioWare Series
N: Animal Crossing Series
O: ????????
P: Kid Icarus
Q: NES Series
R: Misc. Series
S: Metal Gear Series
T: Super Smash Bros. Past Series 1
U: Sonic the Hedgehog Series
V: ??????????
W: Super Smash Bros. Melee Past Stages
X: Super Smash Bros. Brawl Series
Y: Super Smash Bros. Brawl Unknown Tracks
Z: Small Themes

I've also heard theories on why so many things were cut from Brawl.

I know I'm late to respond, but I think now that the "O" category was going to be a "Puzzle League" music category based on my inferences. They had Dr. Mario planned for SSBB, who would have probably got his own stage. And then there's a lot of puzzle game music included in the "Miscellaneous" category - Chill, Lip's Theme, Tetris, etc.

 

[Conviction]

Yes does. LOL

@Birth: I wouldn't mind helping to make a Bowser's Stage concept. Also on second thought, I rather be able to choose both stages individually.

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Iblis- YYH was the ****. Toonami is what got me into anime. My absolute favorites will forever remain Cowboy Bebop and the original Dragon Ball, but that's a discussion for another time

I really do hope we get Melee stages back in Smash 4...

 

[Conviction]

I know homie! YYH I think will stay on top for me.

Back on topic:

:battlefield64:
:battlefieldm:

All 3 were great! With that being said, why not have stages from all past Smash games come back?

 

[Shorts]

YYH Dark Tournament Saga > DBZ Cell Games. It's true GTFOver it.

 

[Conviction]

@Above: -DEAD-

 

[Oasis_S]

It's sad, but I think the Davy Back Fight is the only One Piece arc comparable to the Cell Games... theme.

 

[Metal Overlord]

YESSSS. I would give anything to have most of the stages from 64 and Melee revamped

Who else would like to see Saffron City, Poke Floats and Fourside recreated in crisp HD graphics? I know I do

Also, Battlefield Melee will forever remain my favorite of all three. Dat BF theme

Spoiler

Buu saga was enjoyable but ****ing pointless as hell and drags on forever, kinda like the Transformers movies

 

[Sunnysunny]

Game and watch is impossible to fix unless he gets a total revamp.
He has rediculous hitbox's and KO power (2 1hko's even). but he has nothing fancy to throw people off there gaurd. The main stratedgys against him is "Don't run into ****" :V

Maybe if he had more set ups with his nuetral B.

 

[Conviction]

Game and watch is impossible to fix unless he gets a total revamp.
He has rediculous hitbox's and KO power (2 1hko's even). but he has nothing fancy to throw people off there gaurd. The main stratedgys against him is "Don't run into ****" :V

Maybe if he had more set ups with his nuetral B.

Yeah is a cold case I guess. He's fell into a state to where only way of fixing him is extreme changes.

It's sad, but I think the Davy Back Fight is the only One Piece arc comparable to the Cell Games... theme.

Yeahhh I don't think OP has any series that are like the Cell Saga/Dark Tournament

YESSSS. I would give anything to have most of the stages from 64 and Melee revamped

Who else would like to see Saffron City, Poke Floats and Fourside recreated in crisp HD graphics? I know I do

Also, Battlefield Melee will forever remain my favorite of all three. Dat BF theme

Spoiler

Buu saga was enjoyable but ****ing pointless as hell, kinda like the Transformers movies

@Spoiler: I just looked at everything past the Cell Saga as the biggest fillers with plots.

 

[Diddy Kong]

What's the problem with Mr.Game & Watch then? He totally sucked in Melee. Now is strong in Brawl, can't they just go with a middle of the road approach?

 

[Conviction]

Actually is slowly dropping because of every figuring out how 2-D he is. Nothing is wrong with him imo. The discussion of him just came up.

 

[Diddy Kong]

He received some major power boost from Melee though. What's so 2D about him though...?? Don't understand.

 

[Conviction]

He's painfully obvious with most of his attacks.

 

[Shorts]

Game and watch is impossible to fix unless he gets a total revamp.
He has rediculous hitbox's and KO power (2 1hko's even). but he has nothing fancy to throw people off there gaurd. The main stratedgys against him is "Don't run into ****" :V

Maybe if he had more set ups with his nuetral B.

It's weird, I actually DISLIKE Game andd Watch by his appearence. He's lame, unimaginative, and all around plain jane, but in Smash, I love HOW he plays. Smash is really one of those games that opens doors to the players. I would probably have never thought of playing a FE game if it wasn't for Smash. Ness? Mother? Never.

I like playing as Zelda Sheik Ganondorf, and even Link in 64, but I doubt I would have bought SS if it wasn't for Smash.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ah predictable.. Well, make him faster but less powerful then?

 

[Conviction]

brb everyone

 

[Diddy Kong]

Shorty where are you in SS?

 

[Shorts]

Shorty where are you in SS?

Me personally? Still at the first temple. (I don't plan on ever buying another LoZ game again) But when I went home for Christmas, I watched my brother beat the second temple, so thats how far I am. Why?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Just wondering. And tell you what, thinking of the same thing right now. Unless Zelda Wii U really amazes me somehow I don't think I want to play it.

 

[yani]

I wanna finish SS but the motion controls get annoying.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I wanna finish SS but the motion controls get annoying.

I have the same problem with PH. I can't work with those controls. I can't beat Jolene, and thus, the rest of the game. Action Replay does nothing since the problem is only the controls.

Here's hoping the 3DS strictly uses Control Stick for the main game. I'm tired of the extra controls put in that don't even work that well.

 

[Dr. Ivo Robotnik]

I've only got one thing to say for tonight...

Lemmy Koopa? Sure, why not.
Generic Space Pirate? Bring him in.
Nikki from Swapnote? Awesome.

I don't care who gets in this game. I love reading speculation on characters. I have never come across a character who I thought "NO WAY!". There is no character who could turn me away from the game. Hell, they could put David Suzuki in this game, and I wouldn't give a crap.

Go back to whatever you were talking about now.