New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Shorts]

Yeah, Charizard as a character was also brought up on the Melee dojo.

On as side note though, Bulbasaur and Ash I believe were on the Melee poll. I'm starting to think that's where the idea for PT came from.

BIIIIINNNNGOOOOOOO.


OR, GameFreak came up with idea, and Sakurai was like, "Ight".

What I'm more looking forward to is some INTERVIEWS. We need tidbits. Trailers give us a fee as to what newcomers to expect, in some ways, but an interview where he confirms/denies Third Parties are returning/there is planned cuts already are MUCH more interesting to speculate.

@Star: Can we be like that family in Willy Wonka and sleep in the same big bed together. Who will be the lucky one to have my legged propped up on theirs while I Slumber.

IM ONLY ALLOWED TO SHARE BEDS WITH GIRLS. MOM SAYS.

 

[Metal Overlord]

... You still got those Knuckles and Rouge movesets around somewhere, Hyper? I'm interested in viewing them

 

[ChronoBound]

What I'm more looking forward to is some INTERVIEWS. We need tidbits. Trailers give us a fee as to what newcomers to expect, in some ways, but an interview where he confirms/denies Third Parties are returning/there is planned cuts already are MUCH more interesting to speculate.

Sadly we are not going to get that probably until Smash 4 is formally unveiled. I do think though that he will probably comment on whether Snake and Sonic will return early on though.

Keep in mind that the whole "there will be cuts" came out in Sakurai's Brawl journal, which was a month or two after Brawl's E3 unveil.

 

[Shorts]

Sadly we are not going to get that probably until Smash 4 is formally unveiled. I do think though that he will probably comment on whether Snake and Sonic will return early on though.

Keep in mind that the whole "there will be cuts" came out in Sakurai's Brawl journal, which was a month or two after Brawl's E3 unveil.

Can we time that? I would be curious if he said that EVEN BEFORE he had finalized the roster.

 

[---]

Have you done a Medusa moveset as well ---? I would kinda like to see one, as I think I might be wanting her more than Palutena for her being a villain. And, the mythological creature Medusa could turn people to stone if I recall. Would be cool to have around in the cast.

I have a few ideas for her in mind, probably what people originally thought how Palutena might play.

I've been a bit too busy with stage concepts and my blog to be able to work on it though.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

But interview don't inspire the same kind of hype. What we need is a cg cinematic trailer and then more details in the round table. That way everybody would be happy.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

... You still got those Knuckles and Rouge movesets around somewhere, Hyper? I'm interested in viewing them

Let me find 'em.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Interviews are always cool to read, at least to people who appreciate them

 

[Johnknight1]

@ ganondorf4ever
You sound familiar from the pre-Brawl days (I haven't changed my username, btw).

As much as I adore you guys, most of you cause of your sexyness... I ain't staying around for 2-3 years! At least not as active as now.

I tend to pop up and disapear.

Meah I won't disappear, but I won't be anywhere near as active.

Star Fox has not been good since 1997.

Star Fox Adventures sold over a million copies. Granted, that doesn't mean it was up to the quality of the previous two titles; it wasn't. It was a fun game, but I don't remember much of it.

I know Ridley is not a shoe-in. I have been saying it for years. Howeven, then again, Smash 4 has no shoe-ins.

I dunno, I think Ridley Mega Man, Dixie Kong or K. Rool (at least one of the two) and Mewtwo are shoe-ins or near shoe-ins. Of course, that is just my guess/opinion/view of things.

There was probably more common sense pre-Brawl than there is now (outside of the various support topic cultists). I still attest that a lot of Smash Bros. fans left the speculation scene due to Brawl adding practically all of the characters they personally wanted to see.

I have to disagree (considering the "cultists" was the majority it seemed, who felt a 500 character roster was inevitable). For example, a lot of people said "Wind Waker Young Link" had no chance. Then, those same people would get offended if anyone even suggested that Skull Kid (from Majora's Mask) wasn't a shoe-in.

Just go to the old character discussion, and find the character support thread with all the links to the thread. There are support groups for insane choices. Not just Daisy and Birdo crazy, but Wrinkly Kong and BABY DAISY crazy! I don't see that level of insanity is here anymore (many even felt such choices were likely!). Brawl slapped some logic into peoples' brains. Now, while there are many wild card characters with support, there's nothing wrong with random old school characters like the Duck Hunt Dog. But when you start supporting Error from Zelda II, you need to see a friggen shrink!

Don't forget the awful "anti-character discussions" either. The character discussions became clicky like middle school that people made "anti-character" threads to counter them. Rather than accepting debate in the character threads, many trolled opposition (the Krystal fanbase on IGN and GameFAQs comes to mind). It was awful in several cases.

No way! There was tons of absolute ridiculousness being spouted pre Brawl. Gardevoir had an ENORMOUS following.

Hey... I actually... kinda... like... Gardevoir. I think I pitched the idea that she would make a fun character, but I thought she had next to no chance.

I think any (single) Pokémon support group isn't crazy. That is, unless they think some random Pokémon is "likely." Nothing wrong with thinking a character has a chance, but if you start dubbing random characters with minimal roles as "shoe-ins," you are just being silly. That is when things get a little weird, illogical, and often times overly emotional.

 

[Deleted member]

Once we have a trailer and a separate board things will begin to level out. For now it is like having a large family in one, cramped apartment. Making it uncomfortable and leading to a lot of tension.

That was not the end result in GameFAQs. Really, I think we got the better deal, even with all of this tension, at least it hasn't turned completely to hell.

 

[ChronoBound]

Can we time that? I would be curious if he said that EVEN BEFORE he had finalized the roster.

I am pessimistic about whether we will even see Smash 4 at this year's E3. He certainly won't have enough time to get the gameplay engine together. If we do see something it will all be CG.

However, yes, I think after a possible E3 unveil someone will probably ask him about the fate of Sonic and Snake (that is if they are not in Smash 4's unveil). Sakurai will probably only give an ambiguous answer, but leave the real information for his Japanese audience.

 

[Conviction]

... nice Majin Vegeta avi, BTW, Iblis

"FOOL! I will crush you, and throw you into the wind!"

I thought it fit nicely.

I think it's high time I started posting actively in here. I've been on these boards over 4 years and used to post all the time. This thread's constant..stuff makes me want to post things. So hey!

First off, I love the Palutena moveset up there (or was it a few pages back?), and she just gained another supporter because of it. (That, and the incredibly likelihood that she'll be playable. Enormous.)

I wasn't around in the pre-Melee days, since Melee came out when I was in 5th grade. But some choices, and the pre-Brawl days, I remember all too well. (Even the drama, like the Kuma-Smashchu debates. Great to see things haven't changed )

I also REALLY hope we get a trailer. If we had a trailer, a name, and an active character discussion forum, this would be a whole lot cleaner. Obviously.

Oh I'm sorry. Welcome to the thread haha. Tbh I think the discussion forum is when we will get cults like pre-Brawl. LOL

 

[Shorts]

But interview don't inspire the same kind of hype. What we need is a cg cinematic trailer and then more details in the round table. That way everybody would be happy.

The hype from the trailer will wake up Pieman, Toise, Fatman and all the other slumbering GIANTS, but besides them, we will have a **** ton of people who flood in here, who are like Chris the Ripper, but worse. Because they'll be into ACTUAL character choices.

Interviews give the more seasoned specs something less "OMGZZ GUIZS!" to discuss.

I am pessimistic about whether we will even see Smash 4 at this year's E3. He certainly won't have enough time to get the gameplay engine together. If we do see something it will all be CG.

However, yes, I think after a possible E3 unveil someone will probably ask him about the fate of Sonic and Snake (that is if they are not in Smash 4's unveil). Sakurai will probably only give an ambiguous answer, but leave the real information for his Japanese audience.

This is probably going to be THE MOST anticipated game Nintendo has in the makings right now, couple that with the fact that there isnt too many Nintendo games that have been unvieled for the Wii U, I think a CG is the smartest thing to do. BUT, we will see. Freaking six months away.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Once we have a trailer and a separate board things will begin to level out. For now it is like having a large family in one, cramped apartment. Making it uncomfortable and leading to a lot of tension.

That isn't a problem with me. I'm a Kirby. I'm only 8 inches tall. To me, it's the Spaciest apartment ever.
(Referring to my mental discussion hall mind image, where every day, our avatars{who represent us} talk, discuss, and debate in a giant discussion stadium[so fights don't destroy stuff ])

 

[Johnknight1]

I think I remember you ganondorf4ever from the pre-Brawl Diddy Kong thread, amirite=??? Did you have that old DKC Diddy Kong avatar=???

@ ---
Me likes the "Wario Land: Shake It!" stage idea!

Yeah, it's like, when Samurai Goroh was de-confirmed, suddenly Black Shadow support popped up? Instead of people learning from it, telling themselves "Well if this character didn't make it, then I guess others like him aren't either," they would tell themselves "HAH. SINCE THIS GUY IS DECONFIRMED THEN IT JUST PAVES THE WAY FOR THIS OTHER GUY YOU NEVER HEARD OF."

That crap made me lol from its' unheralded truth! Seriously, that happened every time. "Oh Ridley is a boss! Dark Samus confirmed!" is an actual post I read...

I am hoping Sakurai reveals who the Assist Trophies are pretty early. That way Purple Luigi is deconfirmed early on.

Pretty much. I don't mind some of the people who like Waluigi, but most of them are stupid, which only adds fuel to my anti-Waluigi (as a playable character) fire.

 

[Conviction]

The hype from the trailer will wake up Pieman, Toise, Fatman and all the other slumbering GIANTS, but besides them, we will have a **** ton of people who flood in here, who are like Chris the Ripper, but worse. Because they'll be into ACTUAL character choices.

Interviews give the more seasoned specs something less "OMGZZ GUIZS!" to discuss.

BUT I LIKED CHRIS THE RIPPER

That was my boy Willis. Only I could raise him. Sadly he died before his time...

 

[Diddy Kong]

Would like to discuss some Impa with these so called gaints.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Knuckles Move List

Spoiler

A: Jab Knuckle, Slash Knuckle(similar idea to DK and Bowser's first two)
A Combo: Handback(actually, it's more like a backhand slap), Knuckles' Spin*
Running A: Divin' Slide(similar idea to Kirby's SSB64 dash)
Forward A: Swing Claw(like an axe kick but with a fist, decent range)
Up A: Glove Spin(pretty much the same thing as Ice Climbers' Up A. Based off of a glitch in Sonic Adventure 2: Battle(don't know if it's in the dreamcast version) where when by a wall, his actually fist unrealistically spins arund)
Down A: Thrust*(uses it with his fist, can spike)
Smash A: Force(actually based off of his Dash Attack in Sonic Battle...I think?)
Smash Up A: Pinball(he goes into a spin and slams upwards)
Smash Down A: Quake(a mini-version of DK's Ground Slap. He slams the ground, obviously. Very easy to run and smash this one. If you use the running version he'll just in the air first, just hard to charge, of course)
Air A: Slash Punch(he spins around with a quick slash)
Air Forward A: Scratch(he moves slightly forward with an axe punch)
Air Backward A: Chain Attack(I actually forget what it did...such a long time ago, no?)
Air Up A: Para Shield(he spins his head, creating a parasol-like shield...as the name suggests)
Air Down A: Screwdriver(he spins downward much like Fox's...but with his fists, and it's not a spike)
Air Z: Dig Bomb(I believe he grabs the opponent, and just throws them straight down...dang memory)
Z: Grab
Z + A: Gut Punch(need I explain this...fairly damaging, too)
Z Front: Mid Punch(he punches them in the chest area, sending them flying forward)
Z Back: Back Rocket(just throws them straight backwards...like a rocket!)
Z Up: Dig Bomb(maybe he lungs them upwards...I really don't remember)
Z Down: Fury(similar to Kirby's down throw. He just uses his fists instead)
B: Chaos Beam(fires a small energy beam of green light)
Air B: Chaos Spin(a small green shield eminates from his as he spins)
Forward B: Tri-Spin(I believe it was similar to Mario's Spin, but it goes forward instead, even in the air)
Up B: Rocket Dragon to Float !(a spiritual dragon sends him upwards, and then he glides down. Similar to Peach's Parasol, but he's not protected from the top, bottom, or back)
Down B: Dig(he digs into the ground, and it sends him straight down, however, he can press A or another button to cancel it. It's not guaranteed to dig into the ground either)
Super Move: Screw Drive 2(he jumps into the air and creates a tornado while spinning, dealing damage to all enemies)
Taunt: Knuckles' Strike(he strikes his fist towards the screen. If it hits someone, it deals 1% damage, but makes them fly away rather far...rarely will KO, and doesn't spike/meteor smash)

Rouge the Bat Move List

Spoiler

A: Kick
A Combo: Slash Kick, Turn-Around Slash Kick, Face Kick
Running A: Divin' Slide(same as the earlier one above)
Forward A: Straight Kick(just kicks forward, very simple)
Up A: Pendulum Slash(she uses her foot to do a quick upwards axe kick, decent damage, low knockback, mid range, very fast)
Down A: Tip*(using her foot, she moves it slightly outward, can spike)
Smash A: Spinning Wing(she slams her wing forward, and spins the rest, barely hits the backwards area, but has Mario-size forward hitbox)
Smash Up A: Drill Nail(she spins her foot upward, very powerful, but takes a slight bit to do, since she has to turn upside down)
Smash Down A: Reaper Roll(basic Spin Attack smash, doesn't move her anywhere)
Air A: MK Kick(the classic Mortal Kombat Kick, but has less range and less knockback, lasts a bit longer respectively)
Air Forward A: Illusion Arrow(she moves forward while slightly spinning using her feet, of course)
Air Backward A: 235 Degree Dragon Kick
Air Upward A: Split Scissor(she opens her legs and slashes them together upwards)
Air Downward A: Batling Attack*(using her wing, she slams it downwards, obviously a spike/meteor smash)
Air Z: Push Toss(grabs them, then throws them forward, similar to Chun Li's Air Throw in Street Fighter 2: Turbo)
Z: Grab
Z + A: Scratch(she scratches them with her foot)
Z Front: Slash Throw(she slashes them with her foot, sending the opponent forward)
Z Back: Ninja Throw(remember the classic MK Ninja throw? Same one, and appropriate too, and yes, anybody in real life can do it...it's the rolling Ninja Throw that's hard!)
Z Up: Z-Force(I forget?)
Z Down: Earth Drill Dance(she drills downards into the enemy)
B: Dark Fist(original verison I made, probably could replace it with Beauty Shock...but it sucks. It's right now a dark verison of Falcon Punch, but MUCH faster with less range)
Forward B: Flash Kick !(she speeds forward with a straight kick, it can be used to recover)
Up B: Port 'n Float !(she teleports upwards(how, we don't know) and glides the rest of the way. Same rules of hitbox, etc. as Knuckles)
Down B: Heart Draw(I believe she draws a quick heart around her, stopping one attack, but I forget)
Super Move: Holy Nail(I forget what it was, actually. So I can't say much here)
Taunt: Chuckle

Both can Glide, I never made other taunts, and Super Move was the old nickname for the Final Smash.

 

[Shorts]

Would like to discuss some Impa with these so called gaints.

I would love to see that. I'll bring out an Out-of-date "Toise's choices" for LoZ for you guys. Well, for you. Because you're the only one talking about an LoZ character right now.

 

[Johnknight1]

How many people here have seen Wiseguy's prediction? It's still up on the Brawl Character Discussion for those who want to read it. I haven't read all of it, but from what I've read, it was pretty enjoyable.

I used to visit that thread everyday. I also used to face Wiseguy about 10 times a week for about a year and a half on wifi. Bro was awesome. His thread was enjoyable. If you want, take a look at my old "Wind Waker Young Link" discussion group (and y.link underestimated's group [he had a different account then, but forgot his password] of it, too; especially his, because it lasted longer and had a better moveset).

Trust me when I say this SSBF, I'ma gonna try to run an awesome thread like that in the post-trailer/E3/Nintendo World smash bros reveal when SSB Wii U and 3DS get a forum, and I'ma gonna run with it. The main ingredient is simple: be crazy (I got that), be loose, and above all, have fun! OH AND LONG POST!

SIDE NOTE TIME!!!
Why is everyone here basing all of the Super Smash Bros. Wii U discussion on just the characters=??? I mean, the characters are great, but the gameplay is what ultimately gives Smash Bros its' amazing longevity.

Plus we got loads of other things in smash., Stages (which we always seem to skim over), options, new modes, the expansion of previous features, options, and items to discuss. Heck, I am probably gonna do an Assist Trophy character prediction post just to spark a fire in y'all to discuss some new things that are waiting for us to discuss and dissect!

 

[Oasis_S]

I look forward to seeing Chrono, Chu, Star, etc's Smash speculation philosophy SHAKEN by what Sm4sh brings.

Which would be awful since I probably maybe listen to them Some.

 

[---]

@ ---
Me likes the "Wario Land: Shake It!" stage idea!

Yay more compliments.

I wonder if I should start reposting some of my past ideas from back in July.

 

[Banjodorf]

I thought it fit nicely.



Oh I'm sorry. Welcome to the thread haha. Tbh I think the discussion forum is when we will get cults like pre-Brawl. LOL

See, am I the only one who actually really liked the different support groups that popped up? I played a fairly active role in both Kremling Power and the Pikmen, and I enjoyed the hell out of the sense of community up in that *****.

@Diddy: Glad to be back, man, glad to be back.

...This thread makes me feel like posting a roster, but then again, I'm certain those aren't so popular of late. Everything's been said. But it DOES raise discussion...

 

[Oasis_S]

I was about to Smack the black off ya before you turned yellow.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ The one and only TRIPLE DASH!!! (---)
Probably. Maybe dig up some funny posts you see along the way. It would be awesome if someone made an epic collection of posts from this thread, whether funny, super awesome, cool, or creative.

...I need to dig up my post on the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th/18th party (it was humorous, obviously) and maybe my post on my assist trophy idea from Cranky Kong....

 

[Conviction]

See, am I the only one who actually really liked the different support groups that popped up? I played a fairly active role in both Kremling Power and the Pikmen, and I enjoyed the hell out of the sense of community up in that *****.

...

Oh I don't dislike them. I'm just ready for the wars LOL.

 

[ChronoBound]

Freaking six months away.

Five months away. E3 2012 is going to be during the first week of June.

The only things that we will be getting from then on that will help us with speculation before then will be Kid Icarus Uprising (which release in March) and FE13 (which releases in April in Japan).

There is the chance that Paper Mario 3DS and Luigi's Mansion 2 also manage to be released before E3 2012, so perhaps add those two titles in as well.

However, either next month or March is when Sakurai will finally be putting a list together if Brawl's development is anything to go by.

 

[BirthNote]

So if Mac was playable and Punch-Out!! got atleast 2 ATs, who do yall think they'd be?

 

[Shorts]

[COLLAPSE="Toise's Choices: LoZ"]

Oh boy, a carnival!

Obligatory reminder: This is all assuming a universal roster, which I've wagered large sums of money on as an inevitability. If you're the type of clown who really thinks there's a chance that might not happen, make a new thread for it.



"Now what's that rule?"
"Play it cool."


Toise's Super Money Pick:
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
[Child] Link


Same as Melee and Brawl.

---------------------------------

Character Designs: No, I don't particularly know nor care which they'd use for Sheik, Ganon, and the younger Link. I'm guessing the options are:
1. based on OoT models
2. based on SS concepts made by the Zelda team
3. something somewhat original (like with Fox in Brawl)

We talked a little about Star Fox 64 in the SF thread. I'm pretty sure OoT has a similar series-defining impression on Sakurai (as it does on most fans).



Ganondorf with a new moveset: Pretty sure I hate Zelda nerds because of the following:

- Nobody who complains about Ganondorf's moveset actually plays as Ganondorf (and if Bowser is any indication, still wouldn't play as him)
- None of them care about F-Zero nor Black Shadow himself (and certainly not about Samurai Goroh)
- Next to nobody says anything about Wario's made-up moveset

But I digress. I think it's entirely possible that a few moves change. The Black Shadow switch is considerably less likely, but that's something I'd like to save for an F-Zero thread.


*** Tingle ***

One of the biggest misconceptions about Tingle is that the Japanese love him. As far as I can tell, they like him alright, but not love. His first game sold modestly, his second somewhat poorly (and both well below the average for Zelda games in general). There's no blowback from his exclusion in recent Zelda games and I can't say I've ever seen him go anywhere on any fan polls. Add all that in to his design being called unappealing and it doesn't look good for him.


*** Toon Zelda ***

I'm not sure how serious Sakurai (or maybe someone else on the team) was with this idea, especially with the other folder being "Toon Sheik" and not "Tetra" or just not being there at all. Gonna treat this the same way I treat weird sounds at night -- by assuming it's probably nothing.
[on a more personal note: I think I'd prefer Toon Zelda without a transformation, should that idea go anywhere. I'd also hope they'd consider a Toon Ganondorf alt costume just to complete the set]



****** Other stuff ******

Ghirahim: The new Zant/Midna/whatever, recent character that some Zelda nerds will support just because they're recent. See my comments on recent characters below.

Vaati: Pretty sure Sakurai has no idea who he is. Was he even a sticker in Brawl? I'm sure someone will bring up his similar appearance to Ghirahim or the free Four Swords on the DSi Shop anyway.

Skull Kid/Midna/more Links: Zelda nerds (along with Mario, Pokemon, and for some reason Fire Emblem nerds) seem to be the only ones who figure literally every character from that series has a chance at being playable.


Regarding Recent Characters: At this time I'd like to mention that being new in a series with a static cast (all series except the RPGs) is actually a bad thing for inclusion. Every single playable character from a static cast is either

A) about as old as the series itself, or
B) a variation on an existing character (Sheik/ZSS/kid Links)

I do believe there are potential exceptions to this trend, but since none of them are Zelda characters, I'd rather not discuss them too deeply here.




Yep.

[/COLLAPSE]

For you non SSB4DG goers.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Black is rather harder to read. Anyway, post your roster if you wish. Some of us are rather... picky of some things, just to let you know.

^ King Hippo and Doc Louis

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yo time is passing by man...

 

[Conviction]

Very picky

 

[Metal Overlord]

Those are some awesome movesets HF!

 

[gsninja]

As long as your rosters have Isaac or Matthew, you're good.

 

[Vinylic.]

As long as they're not broken either.

 

[Deleted member]

When the discussion forum comes, one of the first things I will do is make a support group for Victini (and hope it is active). I also plan on making a prediction thread (perhaps filling in the gap for Wiseguy if he does not return) and make many other threads to kick things off. But the first I will make is an introductory thread.

Tbh I think the discussion forum is when we will get cults like pre-Brawl. LOL

When the discussion forum comes, this should be converted into a social thread (as it seems like it is at times).

 

[Banjodorf]

So if Mac was playable and Punch-Out!! got atleast 2 ATs, who do yall think they'd be?

Since I'm about 95% sure Mac will be playable, I'm going to say King Hippo as a logical choice, and Referee Mario as a "Because it's hilarious" choice.

And the black text was totally on accident. I told it yellow, damn it. Yellow.

 

[ChronoBound]

I look forward to seeing Chrono, Chu, Star, etc's Smash speculation philosophy SHAKEN by what Sm4sh brings.

Which would be awful since I probably maybe listen to them Some.

The biggest surprises in Brawl for me were Snake and Zero Suit Samus. I also did not imagine Pokemon Trainer to have worked in the way he did (basically being three characters in one).

I have a nagging feeling that we may see some sort of "shock" third-party character in Smash 4. However, in terms of obscure Nintendo characters, nothing can really be surprising to those active in speculation due to us already knowing many of the possible retro choices.

 

[---]

@ The one and only TRIPLE DASH!!! (---)
Probably. Maybe dig up some funny posts you see along the way. It would be awesome if someone made an epic collection of posts from this thread, whether funny, super awesome, cool, or creative.

Don't I already do that? (although most of it is not from this thread and isn't as funny)

Good idea. First things first though, I need to find the Burger Knight post forthwith!

 

[Starphoenix]

The hype from the trailer will wake up Pieman, Toise, Fatman and all the other slumbering GIANTS, but besides them, we will have a **** ton of people who flood in here, who are like Chris the Ripper, but worse. Because they'll be into ACTUAL character choices.

Interviews give the more seasoned specs something less "OMGZZ GUIZS!" to discuss.

I don't even know if I will know what to do with myself once we have some legitimate info?

Five months away. E3 2012 is going to be during the first week of June.

The only things that we will be getting from then on that will help us with speculation before then will be Kid Icarus Uprising (which release in March) and FE13 (which releases in April in Japan).

There is the chance that Paper Mario 3DS and Luigi's Mansion 2 also manage to be released before E3 2012, so perhaps add those two titles in as well.

However, either next month or March is when Sakurai will finally be putting a list together if Brawl's development is anything to go by.

I feel Nintendo is putting together an E3 trailer for Smash Bros seperate from Sakurai and his development team.

I look forward to seeing Chrono, Chu, Star, etc's Smash speculation philosophy SHAKEN by what Sm4sh brings.

Which would be awful since I probably maybe listen to them Some.

Don't know why when I take such a different approach then most everyone else? *shrugs*