New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Conviction]

Just copy and paste it next time Diddy. I do than when I edit, and when just before I finish 3 random new post show up. It saves time and frustration.

EDIT: Damn, I can't type worth a damn right now

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

You know what I mean

You'll still be here at least a couple of times over the course of three years, amirite?

Oh definitely. Once news booms, I'll be here constantly. Otherwise, I'll be here, but I won't comment very often.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Is Captain Falcon Sakurai's personal favorite?? Where has that ever been said?

 

[Shorts]

Is seven years really that long? I guess it didn't show up on the Wii, or DS systems which is bad. But it definitely isn't Mother dead. So, you still have hope. I still find it funny that people consider SF dead, even before 643D, Command was three years prior, and Assualt only a few more before that. (Ya know, the GOOD SF)

 

[Conviction]

I wonder what Nintendo's verdict was on the continuation of SF though. Did they ever announce their decision?

 

[Hoots]

Edited my old post. You guys are too fast.

That's what she said.

Anyways, my point is that I think we can agree that if we do get a new LoZ rep, it will most likely be Tingle or Girahim(I wouldn't mind either). The fact that there is this battle between Sheik and Impa fans shows that they are both far too ninjay to justify both of them making it. Your point about borrowing things from OoT is just more "I like Impa so she HAS to be playable and here's how!" The more straw grasping you have to do, the more it spells doom for a character's chances.

 

[ChronoBound]

So, you still have hope. I still find it funny that people consider SF dead, even before 643D, Command was three years prior, and Assualt only a few more before that. (Ya know, the GOOD SF)

Star Fox has not been good since 1997.

 

[---]

Is Captain Falcon Sakurai's personal favorite?? Where has that ever been said?

I believe he said it somewhere back on the Melee dojo.

It should be in the info thread somewhere, but I'm to lazy right now to check.


@SF: Well I thought Assault was pretty good.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Deku Nut has made it as a Brawl item though. Lens of Truth is the only thing actually grawsping at straws, but I could make a B moveset for her which'd be unique. No problem.

I thought Adventures and Command where pretty good myself. Granted that's the only StarFox I've played. Would've liked to have played Assault, but it got pretty terrible reviews back then which made me skip it.

Besides, I had to get Adventures if only for the fact it was Rare's last Nintendo console game. Good thing I liked it.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Nah they haven't yet Iblis

I'm still holding out hope for Star Fox Wii U, though, 'cause I wanna see how they'd incorporate the tablet into the gameplay

 

[Diddy Kong]

The Wii U for sure is gonna be in my own room, not the living room.

Also, Impa has more canon actual abilities than Sheik has...

 

[Shorts]

Star Fox has not been good since 1997.

I liked Assualt. Opinions opinions.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I also kinda like the idea of having Shiida playable now all of a sudden. Just wonder how the Pegasus riding would work out, except for an obvious Up B attack. Maybe it should also be rideable, and usable to preform aerial attacks with (as in, allowing her to jump of from it a lot).

 

[ChronoBound]

If there is ever going to be a non-lord from Marth's games that will be playable it will either be Oguma (popularity) or Nabarl (Sakurai's bias ).

 

[Deleted member]

Anyway, I am curious how long the rest of you will continue to follow the Smash Bros. series. For me, Brawl would have been my last, but due to Ridley's exclusion, I have decided to follow one more Smash game.

Honestly, I am not sure on whenever or not to follow Smash 5 in the future. On the one hand, there's a lot of characters that I would love to see in SSB4 and I could name 15-20 that I'd want that are realistic from the top of my head. Problem being is that the majority of these said realistic characters will have their last shot of getting in with this title. The only exceptions I can name that I think could get in SSB5 even without a SSB4 appearance as playable are Little Mac, Starfy, Takamaru, and Lip.

It's a big reason as to why I am pushing for my favorite characters's inclusion for this game now instead of later. Most of them can't wait for another game to get in. If they are not in now, they probably never will be.

So it's looking doubtful that potential characters in SSB5 will help interest me in SSB4 (unless a plethora of characters are made between SSB4 and SSB5). I'll likely stick around in the community after SSB4, but my main focus will probably not be speculation as it is now. I will more or less be following SSB5 for reasons other then characters.

Speaking of Smash community, while it may seem incredibly bleak now, I do not think it is at the point of "no return". Personally, I think it will start to improve a few months after SSB4 is released since SSB5 will almost certainly be much smaller due to people being satisfied with SSB4's roster (although this is mainly speaking for the speculation community).

 

[---]

I also kinda like the idea of having Shiida playable now all of a sudden. Just wonder how the Pegasus riding would work out, except for an obvious Up B attack. Maybe it should also be rideable, and usable to preform aerial attacks with (as in, allowing her to jump of from it a lot).

Here:

Spoiler

Cadea/Shiida

Attributes:
Caeda is a lightweight character similar to Fox (33th). Both her size and ground speed are both very close to Z.S. Samus (4-5th in both) due to her FE stats and light weaponry; while her ability to move around mid-air is high and close to Zelda's (13th).

Playstyle:
I see her as good overall on the ground but a nightmare in the air. Her attacks are quick and not very laggy, elegant in motion like Marth’s attacks, but are not very damaging or have very high knockback with either of her weapons. Therefore it would result in much of her gameplay centering on switching her weapons back and forth in order to fit the situation. In order to back her up in order to make kills she would have a very good recovery: 3 jumps, a glide, and limited flight with her U-Special. Unfortunately for her all of these aerial abilities come at a cost of being light weight and floaty.

Lance – Amazing range (slightly longer then Z.S. Samus’s whip), but terrible knockback, although the best knockback is sweet spotted at the tip of the lance,
Sword – Under average range (about Toon Link’s sword), but has better knockback then the lance,

Entrance - Flys in on her Pegasus, jumps off onto the stage as her Pegasus then flys into the background,

Neutral Special - Javelin/Sonic Sword - throws her lance a short distance, you charge it up like Link's Bow in order to gain distance and speed, but it makes her a sitting target, / slashes her sword to create a magic air slash, can't charge, little lag but lower priority than Javelin. Each does 6%,

Side Special - Pegasus Charge - dashes forward a short distance (3/5th the distance of the SF Side-S) and at the end slashes with her weapon, when she slashes it can be a Meteor Smash, think Wolf Flash but horizontal, does 3% during the dash, 10% on the weapon hit,

Up Special - Mount - mounts onto her Pegasus and is able to fly for a short period, same as Wings of Icarus,

Down Special - Weapon Change - Changes her weapon, from lance to sword and vice versa, lance is default.

Final Smash - Triangle Attack - launches opponent into the air and middle of the stage like Great Aether, the Pegasus Sisters (Palla, Catria, Est) appear from the background on their Pegasus's and do their signature Triangle Attack, 12% on the 1st hit, then 15% on each hit done by the Sisters, has an overall good knockback,

AAA - starts a rapid stabbing motion similar to Link's jab with her weapon, it may be held down, does 3% per hit,
Forward Tilt - leans forward and stabs opponent's with her weapon, think Ike’s F-Tilt. 8-10%
Up Tilt - a basic vertical slash, think Marth’s U-Tilt. 7-9%
Down Tilt – swipes once at the ground with her weapon, think Ike’s D-Tilt. 6-8%
Dash Attack – does a slide similar to Mario’s dash, it has a very laggy end. 7-8%

Neutral Air – spins her weapon in a horizontal position, 10-12%
Forward Air - same as F-Tilt but in the air, it has much less lag in comparison, 7-9%
Up Air - spins her weapon similar to Ike's U-Air, 10-12%
Down Air - thrusts her weapon downwards in a stabbing motion, can Meteor Smash (with the lance it may be the best in the game), 10-12%
Back Air - same as F-Air but backwards, has better knockback then it making it one of her few kill moves, 8-9%

Forward Smash – jumps slightly forward and slashes both of her weapons , sword 1st then the lance, it’s one of her few kill moves, has a good amount of lag in between weapons, Sword does 19-21%, Lance does 17-19%,
Up Smash - thrusts her equipped weapon up in the air in a motion similar to Marth’s U-Smash, has very little lag but has a low knockback (due to stabbing), 17-20%
Down Smash – slashes her weapon once forward then backwards in a similar to Marth’s D-Smash, 11-13%

Pummel – holds her weapon in one hand, the opponent in the other then, hits opponent with her knee, 2%
Forward Throw – bats the opponent forward with her weapon, it can Chain Grab, 5%
Up Throw - throws opponent up above her similar to Marth’s U-Throw, 3%
Down Throw - throws opponent down, jumps up and stabs them in the back with her weapon, it launches them upwards, does a great amount of damage, 10%
Back Throw – moves in front of the opponent, quickly turns around and bats them away with her weapon, has slightly more knockback then her F-Throw, 5%

Other:
3rd Jump – Summons her Pegasus briefly
Gliding - Summons her Pegasus
Glide Attack – jousts her weapon out for a quick sweep, as strong as Pit’s but has better range, is one of her killing moves, 12%

Taunts:
1. Playfully spins her lance/slashes her sword
2. Pets her Pegasus
3. Holds her weapon out, Says "I won't lose here!", if fighting Marth she says "Please stop my love..."

Costumes:
Green - Palla
Blue - Catria
Pink - Est
Orange - Elinca
White - Wedding Gown?

Kirby Hat: Gains her long blue hair, when copying her, he alternates between both her weapons,

Pros:
Fast
Amazing Range with her lance
Amazing Air game (next Jigglypuff?)
Best edgeguarder in the game (thanks to her Meteor Smash)
Can Chain Grab with her F-Throw
Great Recovery

Cons:
Poor Projectile
Low damage output
Very few kill moves
Light weight
Floaty

 

[Oasis_S]

If there is ever going to be a non-lord from Marth's games that will be playable it will either be Oguma (popularity) or Nabarl (Sakurai's bias ).

It'll be Ranulf because Sakurai is clearly a furry fan.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Shiida has the uniqueness factor going on for her. Ogma and Nabarl are cool to, but they aren't as important overall as Shiida is.

 

[ChronoBound]

It'll be Ranulf because Sakurai is clearly a furry fan.

Ranulf is from Ike's games. I was talking about non-lords from Marth's games.

Diddy Kong: Practically every character can be made unique. People need shut the hell up with their obscure character of choice being more worthy than more practical candidates simply because they imagine them in a way that which will not likely be implemented.

 

[Oasis_S]

Whoops. What an oversight.

 

[Diddy Kong]

How come Shiida is good in the ground but terrible in the air for that moveset?? If anything I expect the exact opposite... O.o Also, I think she should be a lance user only. That'd be her best bet at making it in anyway.

 

[---]

How come Shiida is good in the ground but terrible in the air for that moveset?? If anything I expect the exact opposite... O.o

??? I think I used the wrong wording when I said "nightmare in the air." I ment it as fighting against her in the air is a nightmare for the opponent.



If it's from Marth's games, if not Shiida, then it'll be Chainy as the random slot.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

That's what she said.

Anyways, my point is that I think we can agree that if we do get a new LoZ rep, it will most likely be Tingle or Girahim(I wouldn't mind either). The fact that there is this battle between Sheik and Impa fans shows that they are both far too ninjay to justify both of them making it. Your point about borrowing things from OoT is just more "I like Impa so she HAS to be playable and here's how!" The more straw grasping you have to do, the more it spells doom for a character's chances.

Tingle looks his best in Majora's Mask. After that, he became rather creepy.

I don't really need to say anything about Ghirahim; you pretty much know that I heavily oppose him.

The Sheik/Impa debate is rather ridiculous. It can't hurt if they're both playable.

 

[SmashChu]

Sheik isn't so unique, nor all around popular. She is just not re-occuring enough for that, there have been much more unique characters in the series ever since OoT. And name just about ANY of them and they'll have made bigger "impact" on the series overall than Sheik ever did.

Impa replacing Sheik is almost as logical as Toon Link taking over Young Link's spot. Even though Wind Waker probably did worse overall than OoT, or Majora's Mask. Don't know for sure, but can't imagine Toon Link being more popular than Young Link, yet he made it in. Sure he had fan support, yet I don't think Impa will suffer much from lack of popularity. I think that if just about anyone coming up with this arguement to Sakurai it'll be considered for sure. It just makes sence.

Impa just being supported, if slightly would already perhaps be enough. Because I sincerly doubt Sheik and Zelda where even heavily suggested pre-Melee (I imagine Ganondorf, Young Link and Skull Kid being far more popular). If the idea is thrown up -and I think it will- on another Japanese Sakurai's poll it'll probably already be considered.

Would also like to add that unlike for Twilight Princess, there have been no Sheik designs for Skyward Sword. This could very well confirm that. (click) But I'll refrain for being 100% sure about this untill we know more of Zelda Wii U.

If Sheik's not in that game, or doesn't have an unused model like TP- and Impa would be having a new role... I'd say Impa is just about 100% confirmed. If Sheik's in Zelda Wii U however, she'll stay. It's that simple really. Ghirahim I just about 96% sure know will not be in any of the new Zeldas, but Impa and / or Sheik might. Then again, Sakurai might just base of the Zelda games we have now, Skyward Sword probably being the biggest source of inspiration.

Either way, I think it could go both ways. But thus far I think Impa is one of the better ideas for Zelda characters, because she's actually re-occuring, and got an awesome role in SS. Plus, she has much chance of re-appearing, if only for how different she looks every time. I will conclude this though: if she re-appears in Zelda Wii U as a helpless old woman (as she was portraited as in earlier days) I'll say screw it.

Young Impa it should be. The potential this character could bring to the series gives me a little more fatih that we only will have Link, Zelda and Ganon as re-occuring and the rest being one-offs, who perfectly fit in their respective games, but if came back would feel akward (Majora, Zant, but mostly: Midna and Ghirahim). Impa doesn't have that.

And honestly, I doubt Sheik actually could get back into the series anyway... as nobody would be suprised she was Zelda in disguise in the end anyway. If Sakurai truely digs deeper in the series to come with ideas for characters, he'll see Sheik is not the best idea for a playable character at this point no more.

Zelda herself also has had much more of a role in later Zelda games after OoT, and thus wouldn't have to rely on an alterego to have a complete satisfying moveset. Twilight Princess is perhaps an exception - hence Sheik making it in Brawl wasn't too bad after all I'll say now. But that's mostly cause Zelda herself did jack **** in the game she was based of from.

Sheik leaving, Impa coming in is as logical almost as Young Link being gone for Toon Link. Just raising awareness.

Your missing the most important part: Sheik is already a part of the series.

Sheik is part of the series just as Ness and ROB are. They are defined by the series as do they so help define it. So why even bother to remove Sheik, a character who is part of Zelda and people like her (surprising huh?). Just to have Impa, a character was was mostly an old woman and barely appeared in SS? Is it just so YOU can have Impa.

As Hoots said, your reasoning is because you want her. There is very little reason to add her on her own merit and probably no reason to replace Sheik. Heck, tell that to the Roy and Mewtwo fans when you tried to tell them it was OK their character was gone because they have Ike and Lucario now.

Sheik has been in two Smash games already. Let's not replace her with flavor of the month.

 

[Oasis_S]

I don't really need to say anything about Ghirahim; you pretty much know that I heavily oppose him.

The Sheik/Impa debate is rather ridiculous. It can't hurt if they're both playable.

YES IT CAN.


And what's wrong with a little homoeroticism.

 

[ChronoBound]

You guys can have your Impas and Sheeda's after Smash 4, when I am done following the series.

Heck, I would not even care if Captain Falcon was cut for Purple Luigi in Smash 5.

Much like how I ignore the Sonic series after the Dreamcast (and on some days after the Saturn).

 

[Shorts]

I think once I get Krystal, I'll be set. I don't CARE about anyone else to really do this anymore. I mean, this is the Smash that gobbles up the last 14 or so characters that really matter.

I guess it depends on how SSB5 is handled. If it gets a REVAMP, then I might come back and speculate about the cuts/adds.

Assuming we get Ridley, Goroh, and K. Rool/Dixie along with Krystal, I'll be a set camper.

This Sheik/Impa thing is just funny. We aren't debating what's going to happen, because let's face it, Shiek IS coming back. Yes I know she is. I'm magic. If we aren't discussing things that HAVE LEGITMATE chances of happening, what are we doing? It doesn't seem like anyones having fun while debating this silly topic either.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah that totally makes better sence. I'd even perhaps have her lighter though... And give the Pegasus unlimited jumps! But with a set amount of stamina (about 65%?) and weaker attacks. The lance shouldn't be as long as ZSS's attacks though, but almost about that range. And for novelity, have a Wyvern appear as her Up B steed instead in about 1/5th time. The Wyvern would have noticable more stamina (about 100%) but would fly slower.

 

[---]

You guys can have your Impas and Sheeda's after Smash 4, when I am done following the series.

Heck, I would not even care if Captain Falcon was cut for Purple Luigi in Smash 5.

Much like how I ignore the Sonic series after the Dreamcast (and on some days after the Saturn).

Someone's a party pooper.

Anyway the Shiida debates have stopped and she is rarely brought up anymore, so don't compare them to Impa.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think once I get Krystal, I'll be set.

You can wait for Krystal to come in Smash 5, much like how I continued waiting for Ridley after Brawl.

The difference is that Ridley was at least in several masterpieces.

 

[Oasis_S]

A bit random, BUT ON LIP: Some point out Sakurai's comment of Panel de Pon being a masterpiece helps her CAUSE, but isn't that ignoring the comment (which I think was made directly before?) of "Would anyone even know her?" If he would disregard Sukapon as being too obscure, wouldn't that apply to Lip as well? Her case is pretty similar to his, isn't it?

Spoiler

SORRY HORSETAIL.

 

[Shorts]

You can wait for Krystal to come in Smash 5, much like how I continued waiting for Ridley after Brawl.

The difference is that Ridley was at least in several masterpieces.

NOPE. She's got a definite shot now, despite anything people can say. *pouts*

END OF STORY.

Smash 5 will suck anyways, Krystal is too classy for that.

 

[ChronoBound]

Smash 5 will suck anyways, Krystal is too classy for that.

Smash 5 will suck, which is why it will be Krystal's playable debut.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Lol, we don't know if Smash 5 is even gonna be made, or even know anything about Smash 4

Let's just stick to Smash 4, now, shall we?

 

[ChronoBound]

A bit random, BUT ON LIP: Some point out Sakurai's comment of Panel de Pon being a masterpiece helps her CAUSE, but isn't that ignoring the comment (which I think was made directly before?) of "Would anyone even know her?" If he would disregard Sukapon as being too obscure, wouldn't that apply to Lip as well? Her case is pretty similar to his, isn't it?

Spoiler

SORRY HORSETAIL.

Sakurai mentioned in that request asking for Lip that (before he mentioned he thought of Panel de Pon as a materpiece) was this:

Lip. How many people know who she is?

 

[Deleted member]

Personally, I feel as SSB5 should be when the series gets a complete revamp. I like more characters, but by the time we reach late 40s slots, chances are that my expectations will be satisfied, so other things will be needed to attract me to it and I really don't want to see more then 55 slots made for the fact that Smash cannot handle it.

So I would not mind a reduction in the roster with SSB5 if other areas are considerably improved upon SSB4.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Your missing the most important part: Sheik is already a part of the series.

Sheik is part of the series just as Ness and ROB are. They are defined by the series as do they so help define it. So why even bother to remove Sheik, a character who is part of Zelda and people like her (surprising huh?). Just to have Impa, a character was was mostly an old woman and barely appeared in SS? Is it just so YOU can have Impa.

As Hoots said, your reasoning is because you want her. There is very little reason to add her on her own merit and probably no reason to replace Sheik. Heck, tell that to the Roy and Mewtwo fans when you tried to tell them it was OK their character was gone because they have Ike and Lucario now.

Sheik has been in two Smash games already. Let's not replace her with flavor of the month.

First of all, Impa is not flavor of the month. That award goes to Ghirahim.

Sheik is already part of the series is a big DUH. But didn't you heard: Ness almost didn't made Melee. Time restraints also might've almost killed of Jigglypuff in Brawl. And if Rare would've gotten their way, Donkey Kong would've been gone from Melee as well.

So who says veterans are 100% safe?

Roy and Mewtwo where amongst the most popular additions in Melee Sakurai said. Yet they didn't had priority getting in before other characters.

But Roy supporters in the first place shouldn't expect to see him back I always said. Mewtwo is different, as he's actually reappearing every now and then. Doubt his popularity waned either, unlike both Roy and Sheik.

And I do not consider myself hugely biased. Yes I want Impa, but the post you quoted are more than just my opinions, it's purely my reflection on the whole series. And how Impa fits in.

 

[Shorts]

Smash 5 will suck, which is why it will be Krystal's playable debut.

"LOL, THAT WOULD BE PRETTY IMPOSSIBLE!"

*realises the interviewers are serious*

*Quick Sakurai, think of something to say!*

"Uhh, he would be a bit big?... ehehe"

Ridley is such a good choice, he's been left out three times!

 

[Aurane]

I've been gone almost all day because I went to an Uber-Tier tourny. I won 2nd place $50 bucks in my pocket.

Also, to all of you: SSB5? Seriously? We haven't hit SSB4 yet T_T Calm your Dodrio's, man!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

YES IT CAN.


And what's wrong with a little homoeroticism.

In what way would it hurt if Impa and Sheik are both playable?

Regarding the other sentence, I don't care if Skyward Sword is rated E10+. Ghirahim's boundaries are just highly disturbing; most other villains have better self-control, including Zant, whose only issues are his tantrums, along with his unusual flexibility.