New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

No. If there is any non-Ganon villain who has a decent shot at getting in its Ghirahim.

Vaati and Zant would be highly jealous.

 

[Johnknight1]

Vatti at least was the "main" villain in 2/3 games. Zant kinda was Twilight Princess' main villain, but really the "character" for that game and the main (and even title) character was Midna. Even though she has no shot, Midna (with or without Wolf Link) would be an incredible character in smash. But at least we can dream...

 

[gsninja]

The Dojo had month-long stretches of bad updates, such as well before before Ike was shown, before Sonic was revealed, the first month, and after Captain Olimar was revealed.

However, the thought of the Dojo was great. I just think there were too many bull crap updates, like "YOU MUST RECOVER!" That update would be fine... if there were like another update or 2 that weren't too big on the same day.

But some of Brawl's letdowns really lowered the bar.

For me, Brawl's only letdown was competitively. Granted, it was a pretty big letdown for me (And many others) in the end, but I would pick Brawl over 64 or Melee any day outside of competitive play.

While I do agree they were bullcrap, having stretches of lame updates in between helped build the hype a bit for the days when something really ****ing cool would be announced. Still, "YOU MUST RECOVER" stuff was so unnecessary lol.

 

[Pichu Fan]

What I see possible Zelda characters to be-

Tingle
Ghirahim
Vaati
Toon Zelda/Tetra
Toon Zelda(Phantom)
Impa
Young Link
Skull Kid
Toon Ganandorf
Beetle (lol, would be a nice replacement for tingle as an AT if tingle became playable)

 

[---]

I am hoping that Kid Icarus Uprising can convince me on Palutena and Medusa.

Nerd glasses Palutena hasn't convinced you yet?

All those EARLY MORNING MEMORIES. Dat Ike update.

What happened here during the Ike update?

 

[ChronoBound]

I am curious if a lot of people were satisfied with Brawl's newcomers and did not bother staying tuned for Smash 4. A lot of people from the old pre-Brawl threads had their last log-in around late 2008 or 2009.

To SmashChu:
Smash Bros. is perhaps one of my favorite video game series of all time. The only ones that I have enjoyed as much as Smash Bros. are Metroid, Zelda (well main ones), and Mario platformers.

I have been following Smash Bros. very closely since the beginning. Today, Video games are an expensive and time consuming hobby. Unfortunately, many of the video games today are not really pick up and play, and usually involve investing hours upon hours into them only to never pick them up again upon completion. I won't stop playing video games, but I will probably stop buying new video games after the next console cycle.

 

[Metal Overlord]

If Smash 5 happens honestly... then that'd be kinda lame

Goddammit I want my remake of the original Smash Bros. first

 

[SmashChu]

Not sure if this was posted, but Miyamoto mentioned he is working on an original title. He mentioned working on a new character back in 2010.

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=169600

More characters for Smash 4 maybe?

 

[Pichu Fan]

Super Smash Bros 3D. Would be awesome if online, side specials and such where added.

 

[Oasis_S]

Is Smash ever going to have a SET roster. I would think having a big roster that would stand the test of time NO MATTER WHAT would be DESIRABLE from a developer's standpoint. Though I guess cuts and additions are just a natural occurrence within the genre.

I'm going to hate when it goes the way of Mario Kart. Adding ridiculous characters like Honey Queen, Funky Kong, and R.O.B. for only one game. Then Sakurai probably won't be working on it forever, so eventually they'll give the series to someone else. THE FUTURE OF SMASH IS WORRISOME.

@Tryphen: Ike was the first NEW character revealed after the trailer, so that was HYPE. Some people thought the Dojo was just going to churn out the same old information we had been given, but Ike proved them wrong. BD

 

[Johnknight1]

@ gsninja
Just have a bunch of lesser important information announced on the same game. You know, have the sticky bomb, "YOU MUST RECOVER!" and one Pokémon Pokémon. That would be totally chill!

@ Chrono Bound
A lot of them will reappear. Many people are still somewhat mad Ridley/Roy/Mewtwo/etc didn't' make it (but they were probably happy with the overall roster).

I expect my personal Robin (Luni) and Nightwing (Omega) and maybe Batgirl (Samusrules) to return. That and the Joker (Wiseguy) and Cadet Merced (or something like that; he can be Harley Quinn).

 

[Oasis_S]

Samusrules has been around. Call him BASKET next time you see him.

Wasn't there a really cocky Lukegroundwalker fellow.

 

[ChronoBound]

Not sure if this was posted, but Miyamoto mentioned he is working on an original title. He mentioned working on a new character back in 2010.

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=169600

More characters for Smash 4 maybe?

I am not sure whether the protagonist of such a new IP would be playable in Smash Bros. since Sakurai may already have the entire roster determined by the time the game is unveiled. Unless that new character's team works closely with Sakurai or tells him about it early in Smash 4's development.

I do think that this character will probably be widely requested once he/she/it is actually revealed, which will probably be at E3 2012.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Oasis
I expect the roster to just add a ton of randoms after a while, and 3rd party characters that have a long history with Nintendo or are icons in the gaming industry (Mega Man, Pac-Man, Tails, Bomberman, etc).

Also, did Samusrules change his name=??? I haven't talked to him in a couple of months. I still talk to Sneaky (if you know who that is) and Homelessvagrant every few months, too.

Yeah, Lukegroundwalker was hilariously cocky. I remember that dude! XD

 

[Deleted member]

Something that interests me is the Top 20 in the poll for the 2nd Smash, which was on SSB64's website and who's on it.

1. Bowser: Became playable in Melee.
2. Peach: Became playable in Melee.
3. Wario: Became playable in Brawl.
4. King Dedede: Became playable in Brawl.
5. Ganon/Ganondorf (votes were combined): Became playable in Melee.
6./7. (Tie) James Bond: Inelligble for Smash. Mewtwo: Became playable in Melee. Currently heavily demanded for Sm4sh.
8. Banjo-Kazooie: Has very miniscule chance due to Rare being owned by Microsoft.
9. Toad: Most likely Mario character now.
10. Mew: Miniscule chance at this point.
11. Marth: Became playable in Melee.
12./13./14. (Tie) Mr. Saturn: Became an Item in Melee. "Satoshi" (Note: Sakurai is referring to the main Trainer in the original games, not Ash.): Became playable in Brawl. General Fire Emblem character request: Votes for various Fire Emblem characters combined. Not to look into.
15. Gooey: Not likely to be included.
16./17. (Tie) Diddy Kong: Became playable in Brawl. Sukapon: Will not be in Smash.
18. General Pokemon character request: Votes for various Pokemon combined. Not to look into.
19./20. (Tie) Meta Knight: Became playable in Brawl. Lugia: Became Poke Ball summon in Melee, and EXTREMELY likely to stay that way.

 

[Oasis_S]

@John: It's still samusrules93. Last post of his I saw was on Tuesday in the 3DS thread.


By the way I totally expect for the Stage Builder/Snapshots/Replays/what have you to be expanded upon and made easier to share with friends.

 

[SmashChu]

I am not sure whether the protagonist of such a new IP would be playable in Smash Bros. since Sakurai may already have the entire roster determined by the time the game is unveiled. Unless that new character's team works closely with Sakurai or tells him about it early in Smash 4's development.

I do think that this character will probably be widely requested once he/she/it is actually revealed, which will probably be at E3 2012.

You have a good point, but I think Sakurai has access to a lot of information that we don't. He did get a model from the Zelda team for Sheik and missing having Marth's FE11 design.

 

[Hoots]

@ Oasis
I expect the roster to just add a ton of randoms after a while, and 3rd party characters that have a long history with Nintendo or are icons in the gaming industry (Mega Man, Pac-Man, Tails, Bomberman, etc).

Also, did Samusrules change his name=??? I haven't talked to him in a couple of months. I still talk to Sneaky (if you know who that is) and Homelessvagrant every few months, too.

Yeah, Lukegroundwalker was hilariously cocky. I remember that dude! XD

I wouldn't count on any of those third party reps besides Megaman. I think there will be some ridiculous wtf characters of course, but I think he CAN'T ignore a lot of the obvious deserving choices.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah Stage Builder and Replays in their current features are crap.

As for snapshots, you seriously need to be able to move the camera 360 degrees instead of about 120 degrees. Seriously, we should be able to see all of the stage on each side. There is no reason the graphic designers should be too lazy to do 360 degrees worth of graphics around a stage... unless it is a retro, 2D stage! (think 75M, either Flat Zones, Mario Bros, Mushroom Kingdom, etc)

@ Hoots
I was talking about smash bros games after these upcoming two. When the amount of "good" character choices are limited, ultimately retro characters, rising Nintendo-owned characters, longtime and important "assist" characters in long running "classic" Nintendo franchises, superstar 3rd party characters, and 3rd party characters that are important to Nintendo's histories are ways you could definitely legitimately go, if not the only ways to go.

 

[ChronoBound]

I am disappointed that the F-Zero series has been on hiatus for more than seven years. It used to be one of my favorite Nintendo series, but it seems dead lately. Heck, I would even go for a F-Zero X port with the Expansion Kit extras as the only extra content.

On a side note, I would love to see Pico become a playable character, but I know that he has basically no chance at ever becoming a playable character in Smash Bros. The same goes for Crono and Leaf.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Replays?

Expand the duration of them, give us the ability to share them/upload them on the DOJO or YouTube

Problem solved

 

[Oasis_S]

Wouldn't F-Zero be at home on the 3DS? Imagine F-Zero online. Though I guess in a way, Nintendo sort of killed the series themselves with Mario Kart. Can't compete with that.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Eh, not really, IMO, it's different from Mario Kart so I'm sure it'd find some kinda niche

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Chrono Bound
F-Zero, F-Zero X, and F-Zero G/X and A/X are incredible games. Unlike Star Fox (discounting Star Fox 64 3D), we weren't left on one of the weaker titles in the series. Instead, we were left with arguably the best game in the series. I don't see why Nintendo has ignored it for so long. I got a feeling some people in Texas may be working on the future of the franchise, though.

@ Oasis
You can't compare F-Zero to Mario Kart. Mario Kart is a party game with some racing for party game fans. F-Zero is a futuristic racing game for futuristic racing game fans. They serve and are aimed at two different fanbases. Mario Kart mostly for families and children, F-Zero for teenagers and adults.

 

[Diddy Kong]

There isn't a Zelda character who is remotely interesting, unique, or popular enough to warrant a spot that isn't already in Zelda. Sure, you could argue Impa "replacing" Sheik (which I think is silly), but that's not a new character at all; That's a model swap.

And I'm actually more hyped for Smash 4 than Brawl. Now I know pretty much what to expect, and I think I got a better grip on the series. I think Sakurai does, too.

Sheik isn't so unique, nor all around popular. She is just not re-occuring enough for that, there have been much more unique characters in the series ever since OoT. And name just about ANY of them and they'll have made bigger "impact" on the series overall than Sheik ever did.

Impa replacing Sheik is almost as logical as Toon Link taking over Young Link's spot. Even though Wind Waker probably did worse overall than OoT, or Majora's Mask. Don't know for sure, but can't imagine Toon Link being more popular than Young Link, yet he made it in. Sure he had fan support, yet I don't think Impa will suffer much from lack of popularity. I think that if just about anyone coming up with this arguement to Sakurai it'll be considered for sure. It just makes sence.

Impa just being supported, if slightly would already perhaps be enough. Because I sincerly doubt Sheik and Zelda where even heavily suggested pre-Melee (I imagine Ganondorf, Young Link and Skull Kid being far more popular). If the idea is thrown up -and I think it will- on another Japanese Sakurai's poll it'll probably already be considered.

Would also like to add that unlike for Twilight Princess, there have been no Sheik designs for Skyward Sword. This could very well confirm that. (click) But I'll refrain for being 100% sure about this untill we know more of Zelda Wii U.

If Sheik's not in that game, or doesn't have an unused model like TP- and Impa would be having a new role... I'd say Impa is just about 100% confirmed. If Sheik's in Zelda Wii U however, she'll stay. It's that simple really. Ghirahim I just about 96% sure know will not be in any of the new Zeldas, but Impa and / or Sheik might. Then again, Sakurai might just base of the Zelda games we have now, Skyward Sword probably being the biggest source of inspiration.

Either way, I think it could go both ways. But thus far I think Impa is one of the better ideas for Zelda characters, because she's actually re-occuring, and got an awesome role in SS. Plus, she has much chance of re-appearing, if only for how different she looks every time. I will conclude this though: if she re-appears in Zelda Wii U as a helpless old woman (as she was portraited as in earlier days) I'll say screw it.

Young Impa it should be. The potential this character could bring to the series gives me a little more fatih that we only will have Link, Zelda and Ganon as re-occuring and the rest being one-offs, who perfectly fit in their respective games, but if came back would feel akward (Majora, Zant, but mostly: Midna and Ghirahim). Impa doesn't have that.

And honestly, I doubt Sheik actually could get back into the series anyway... as nobody would be suprised she was Zelda in disguise in the end anyway. If Sakurai truely digs deeper in the series to come with ideas for characters, he'll see Sheik is not the best idea for a playable character at this point no more.

Zelda herself also has had much more of a role in later Zelda games after OoT, and thus wouldn't have to rely on an alterego to have a complete satisfying moveset. Twilight Princess is perhaps an exception - hence Sheik making it in Brawl wasn't too bad after all I'll say now. But that's mostly cause Zelda herself did jack **** in the game she was based of from.

Sheik leaving, Impa coming in is as logical almost as Young Link being gone for Toon Link. Just raising awareness.

 

[Oasis_S]

Do you really have to do that every time someone mentions Sheik.

 

[Hoots]

I am disappointed that the F-Zero series has been on hiatus for more than seven years. It used to be one of my favorite Nintendo series, but it seems dead lately. Heck, I would even go for a F-Zero X port with the Expansion Kit extras as the only extra content.

I totally agree. I still occasionally play GX. Magic Seagull 4tw! My only gripe with the game was switching the soundtrack from wicked 80's metal to boring spacey electronica. That isn't F-Zero's vibe as far as I'm concerned. I think F-Zero could have a huge comeback if it wasn't so goddamn hard. If it didn't alienate casual players and had a pace similar to those Pod Racer games (if anyone remembers those), it could become really popular again.

Also, Octoman for Smash? Yes please!

And Didds, this is what I'm talking about when I say that American forumgoers overthink the **** out of Smash way WAY more than Sakurai ever will. Sheik is important to SMASH, just like Jigglypuff. Her representation in the LoZ franchise is now irrelevant because she has carved her place in the Smash franchise. That's it.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Diddy Kong
I'm talking about moveset-wise. Moveset wise, Impa has minimal potential move options that Sheik doesn't, if any at all. Again, what you have suggested is Impa having the same or nearly the same moveset as Sheik. That isn't an original character; that's a model swap.

Toon Link was more of a newer look of the child incarnation of Link. Sakurai sees Link all Link as the same (as do most of us), and separate them by child form and adult form. He then chooses the most recent game, gets the character model, upgrades it, and maybe brings in a move or two from the newest game. That also isn't a character change; whether you consider it a model swap or not is your opinion.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Do you really have to do that every time someone mentions Sheik.

Nah, this is one of my last times.

Spoiler

Can type better when blazed, better concentration

Impa can do various of things:

Spoiler

Create barriers
Have actually fought off enemies, most noticably Ghirahim
Can live for more than 1000 years
Practice actual magic as is implied with age
Create Time Portals for warping (after the Lanayru cut scene she's holding a ball of purple energy implying she can at least slightly controll time)

And : she's a bad *** and you know it

 

[Metal Overlord]

No, it isn't

Trust me, you'll be doing this for quite a while, we still got like 2-3 years until Smash comes out

 

[Diddy Kong]

As much as I adore you guys, most of you cause of your sexyness... I ain't staying around for 2-3 years! At least not as active as now.

I tend to pop up and disapear.

 

[Conviction]

I don't blame you either Diddy Kong.

My activeness to this thread correlates to my activeness in the competitive sence, if I start to fade from the competitive sence, my presence in here will fade too.

 

[Hoots]

Nah, this is one of my last times.

Spoiler

Can type better when blazed, better concentration

Impa can do various of things:

Spoiler

Create barriers
Have actually fought off enemies, most noticably Ghirahim
Can live for more than 1000 years
Practice actual magic as is implied with age
Create Time Portals for warping (after the Lanayru cut scene she's holding a ball of purple energy implying she can at least slightly controll time)

And : she's a bad *** and you know it

See, don't take this the wrong way, but this is the definition of grasping at straws. I hate to use that phrase so much, but it happens constantly when people try to logic their personal choices. I know that you are an Impa fan and she can probably only be playable if she replaces Sheik(I guess?), but your only real argument is that you personally like Impa more than Sheik. It doesn't work like that, unfortunately.

 

[Diddy Kong]

My presence here is because the presence of activity in this thread. But since I'm here, I might actually check out some other places than this thread to learn to actually play good.

Shame I can't acces my Melee disk now though :/ Would like to play it again after many years.

And yeah, I like Impa better than Sheik. But that's just amongst the things Impa could probably do. I haven't listed other stuff yet which could be plausible as part of her moveset! If you want an explanation why I want her in and not what she would do- you'd find a better explanation my post before that one.

And besides that what I listed, she could also borrow a few moves from OoT even. Most noticable being of coarse the Deku Nut (not quite as strong as they are in Brawl as item though- wtf was that?) but maybe the Lens of Truth could be there to to do... stuff.

Her A moves could resemble Sheik's playstyle. Not as much be an exact clone of hers. Though with time restrains they could resolve to that easily.

 

[---]

I'd like to see F-Zero make a return as well. Although Goroh would be my pick.

And if it can start a discussion, here's pretty much what I said in the Character Discussion group in defense of the series:

Spoiler

Goroh's a tough call. F-Zero could really use another rep, but it's divided between him and BS. Goroh was on the Melee poll and was an AT. BS was on that Brawl character blog and is now seen as an excuse to give Ganondorf his sword.

As for support, according to that Japanese character report given by Toise, F-Zero has a decent amount of support for a new rep. And for all we know and can tell, since Falcon is Sakurai's favorite, he may have a bias torwards F-Zero as well.

I can also see F-Zero getting a new rep in order to help revive the series in a similar manner to KI and FE before it. And there are still rumors about a new game in development as well.

But based on his history and role in Smash, and importance to his series, Goroh is probably the best bet for another F-Zero rep.

I'll also get to work on my next stage concept, hopefully that will spark some discussion based on the series it's going to be coming from.

 

[Kazyx]

I totally agree. I still occasionally play GX. Magic Seagull 4tw! My only gripe with the game was switching the soundtrack from wicked 80's metal to boring spacey electronica. That isn't F-Zero's vibe as far as I'm concerned. I think F-Zero could have a huge comeback if it wasn't so goddamn hard. If it didn't alienate casual players and had a pace similar to those Pod Racer games (if anyone remembers those), it could become really popular again.

Oh my god YES! The Pod Racer games are y favorite racing games to this day. I'm really upset that they stopped making them. Those are the ONLY good things to come out of the prequels. *grumbles at how lame the prequels were*

If they made the F-Zero series play like the Pod Racer games, but keep that F-Zero vibe on them I think they would have a great seller there.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I don't know how often I'll be here in the near future. It depends on when the news starts booming.

 

[Metal Overlord]

You know what I mean

You'll still pop in at least a couple of times over the course of three years, amirite?

 

[Conviction]

Oh we know what you mean Metal.

Hopefully the feel of this thread will change over time to. More of an open field of topics would be nice.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Edited my old post. You guys are too fast.