New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Oasis_S]

*kicks dust* Why wasn't Etemon in Mario Kart GP instead. He could throw poo instead of bombs.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Read what I said again. It doesn't apply because he was not in a previous game. I only refer to character that would've been in Smash 64, but scrapped for Melee, but would have been put into Brawl instead. It would have to be like that.

Your examples only fit the four characters I mentioned. Roy, Mewtwo, and Dr. Mario do not fit this, as they were still in Melee. They aren't new scrapped characters. Those I expect in SSB4, not scrapped returners.

I read what you said. It didn't say anything about previous installments. So I gave you an example.
There's no difference. Both were planned, both were scrapped. The only difference is that Mewtwo and Roy were in Melee. Mewtwo was also nearly finished, as I recall. It's called TIME RESTRAINTS AND DEADLINES. Not replacing a near-finished character with something else.

 

[Johnknight1]

Technically MvC could fall into that catagory, but anyway, good points, you've given some more hope about Snake and Sonic returning. Although, like anybody I still have my doubts.

I believe beyond a reasonable doubt both will return. Eliminating them eliminates fanbases, which is bad for Nintendo (and either Konami or SEGA), especially given the international recession. Smash is free money for everyone with these characters; so adding them makes economical sense for everyone. EVERYONE WINS!

It's kinda like going to an A's game. You see, the A's only draw about 10,000 people to a home game at best. But when they play the Giants at their place, the place is sold out. Eliminating Sonic and Snake from smash is like doing that to the A's; it makes no friggen sense if you like money, public attention, and hype.

 

[nLiM8d]

Pace-Man? Of course How could I have forgotten about him?

 

[---]

55 characters?

Well miracles can happen.


As a side note though, I find it funny that people keep misspelling Palutena's name and yet somehow spell Ghirahim correctly. lol

 

[Johnknight1]

@ n
Seriously, everyone knows Pac-Man. Pac-Man was in 2 arcade Mario Kart games. Shigeru Miyamoto loves Pac-Man. That could add up in smash...

I am guessing we're getting 51, possibly plus up to 5 or minus down to 2. I think 51 adds up.

Think about it this way (this list includes transformations at a character by the way)...
Smash 64 had 12 characters.
Melee had 26 characters, up 14 from Smash 64.
Brawl had 39 characters, up 13 from Melee.

If we continue that trend, Smash Wii U and 3DS will have 12 more characters, which adds up to 51. It is possible these two smash games will take longer, so we may also get even more new characters. I'm not even going to try to factor in the idea of DLC characters, even for unfinished characters that already have data on the disc.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I read what you said. It didn't say anything about previous installments. So I gave you an example.
There's no difference. Both were planned, both were scrapped. The only difference is that Mewtwo and Roy were in Melee. Mewtwo was also nearly finished, as I recall. It's called TIME RESTRAINTS AND DEADLINES. Not replacing a near-finished character with something else.

Those examples were not what I meant, so it doesn't matter.

You gave me examples that only fit for 4 of them. The returners don't count for what I was talking about. Also, it doesn't change that they still didn't get in, and they may never get into SSB4. They could, they could not. I don't see anyone guaranteed whatsoever. Not even the rest of the Forbidden 7.

 

[Aurane]

Lucario had his movie in July 2005.

Actually, I think everyone missed the easter egg on PKMN MD 1. Alakazam mentions Lucario as the greatest explorer ever, and Lucario is a rank, I believe, on there. Therefore, his creation was in that time period (Which might of been in 2005, but all I'm saying is the mention of him started on MD1).

 

[Deleted member]

For a 55 character scenario (transformation included), here's a roster I made: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=13849938#post13849938

@Johnknight1: I do. You are going to want characters you enjoyed playing as from a previous fighting title in the series and you will also want to see new characters to play with that has a potentially interesting style. They will at times also make characters that will never happen in real life. Could you seriously imagine seeing a person like Seth in real life now? No you can't. Street Fighter III basically wiping off almost all vets seriously discouraged players from playing that game.

Also, Jump Super Stars is filled with anime icons from Shonen Jump. That didn't stop them from having to cut characters from the sequel's line-up. And that game is about characters just as much as Smash.

Also, your example does not count because Mario and Sonic are not guests; they are the characters you select to play with them and both companies are involved in the development of those games. Guests are characters that take up a very small part of the roster.

@GoldenYuiitusin: They returned probably because both games were developed by Square Enix. Had Square Enix not been involved in either games, none of the Final Fantasy characters would have returned from Mario Hoops 3-on-3. Note that Sega and Konami had absolutely no involvement in Smash. Because they aren't developing the titles, Sonic and Snake will not return easily.

Snake will probably have more trouble getting in. Now that Snake has appeared in Smash, if he is to return, Sakurai will not only have to get the appeal of Kojima, they will also have to agree with Konami to bring him back and chances are that it will come with hefty legal fees because they will expect money out of this.

Sonic will also have legal fees to deal with, just like in Brawl. His circumstances is indeed unique and he can return, but he will also have a large fee attached to him for returning. We don't know if Sakurai is willing to put up with it again, especially with it being such a legal hell.

Sakurai has also went to the record to state that putting in third-party characters in and fitting them is harder then creating the game. If what he said is true, that gives him a good reason to put third-party characters on the last on his list in priority. If third-party do return, they will go for newcomers first as it almost always works out to be.

Actually, I think everyone missed the easter egg on PKMN MD 1. Alakazam mentions Lucario as the greatest explorer ever, and Lucario is a rank, I believe, on there. Therefore, his creation was in that time period (Which might of been in 2005, but all I'm saying is the mention of him started on MD1).

That was released November, 2005 in Japan, after Lucario's movie.

 

[Aurane]

That was released November, 2005 in Japan, after Lucario's movie.

Really? Huh, I thought it was b4 that... no, I'm sure Lucario was mentioned before that. I know because no one knew who Lucario was at the time of his name announcement. He was an easter egg on some game... I'll go find out here.

EDIT: Ok, so this was the release date of the movie:
September 19, 2006
So, yeah, I was right. I knew MD had that easter egg.

 

[Luco]

Hi guys ^^

Looks like i've come back too late, but found another Terranigma tune for you to listen to

Port: An entrance to the seas

 

[Oasis_S]

KIND OF QUIET.

SO.

HORSETAIL.

How about some pairings talk. Did you see my response to your Falcon x Samus suggestion.

 

[Metal Overlord]

But in all seriousness, who feels that characters should get themes like in Marvel vs. Capcom?

Yes please

As for being "iconic", KumaOso is right in that it should be rarely used when it comes to video game characters. Also, being well-known won't matter much if he has more people against them then supporters (which is the case for every third-party character not named Mega Man and I don't see it changing for Tails).

I'm not gonna stop using words just because you forum dwellers get all pissy when a word isn't used the right way

Y'all need to chill out with that stuff, it's not like you ain't gonn' get what the person is trying to say when they say said character is "iconic"

 

[Diddy Kong]

Jumping in again, Mewtwo might return, Roy most likely won't if they're not aiming for at least 4 Fire Emblem characters. And I'm guessing we're getting 3 at most.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Well, who'd be the 3rd slot then since you don't think it'll be Roy? Please don't say Chrome...

 

[ChronoBound]

Well, who'd be the 3rd slot then since you don't think it'll be Roy? Please don't say Chrome...

Diddy Kong is the bigggest supporter of Chrome in this thread. Despite Chrome having nothing that distinguishes him from other lords, He likes him merely on the grounds of being "most recent". There is also the matter how many Smash Bros. and Fire Emblem fans have already sounded off that the idea of Fire Emblem having three blue-haired swordmen (two of which are muscle heads) is redundant.

 

[Diddy Kong]

The most recent Fire Emblem main character Chrome could even take Ike's place. By the time Smash 4 is released there might be a new FE announced anyway. So replacing Ike with Chrome, and have the most recent (by then) hero be the Roy-like promotion we'd still have 3 characters. For all we know the next Lord has pink hair. 2 blue haired characters where already in Brawl (and looked vastly different), Chrome's hair seems more grayish blue if anything. So the blue hair arguement doesn't really make sence.

 

[Oasis_S]

So replacing Ike with Chrome, and have the most recent (by then) hero be the Roy-like promotion we'd still have 3 characters.

Now wait just a minute.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Unless of coarse no Fire Emblem makes it out of Japan since of now, I can totally see it happening.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Diddy Kong is the bigggest supporter of Chrome in this thread. Despite Chrome having nothing that distinguishes him from other lords, He likes him merely on the grounds of being "most recent". There is also the matter how many Smash Bros. and Fire Emblem fans have already sounded off that the idea of Fire Emblem having three blue-haired swordmen (two of which are muscle heads) is redundant.

I mean, even putting aside the fact being new doesn't guarantee a spot on the roster for Chrome by any means, we barely know anything about him aside from a few things. I mean, couldn't we at least wait until we know his background and what his special moves might be before deciding that he's even a serious contender at this point? Hell, we don't even know if we want this guy just showing up in Smash without an invite or if he's even the slightest bit interesting.

Until then, I don't see how anyone else could possibly be a better choice than Roy.

 

[ChronoBound]

I mean, even putting aside the fact being new doesn't guarantee a spot on the roster Chrome by any means, we barely know anything about him aside from a few things. I mean, couldn't we at least wait until we know his background and what his special moves might be before deciding that he's even a serious contender at this point?

Yep. I keep saying that we should wait until his game before make an assessment regarding Chrome.

On a side note, its interesting how Palutena is steadily becoming more popular than Medusa. Though I still think both characters are going to be massively supported once Uprising is finally released.

 

[Diddy Kong]

His game looks interesting, and a huge step into an improvement of the series. I doubt that he'd be received badly at all. Ike was also added in regardless of not quite being too popular in Japan to.

And why exactly can't I want Chrome, but Palutena is ok?? They're both at least gonna be based of an unreleased game. Palutena did nothing iirc in the original game. (Much like Sheik lol)

 

[Oasis_S]

I do hope Medusa is a bit more involved in the story instead of, like, a general premise given at the beginning, and a cutscene with her before the final battle.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Diddy, his game might look interesting, but is Chrome himself interesting? That's my point. There's plenty of great games out there with flat and uninteresting protagonists, just look at the Halo series and Master Chief or most other modern shooters. Not saying FE13 will be one of those, mind you, just something to think about.

And at least we know a little something about Palutena, unlike this Chrome guy...

 

[Diddy Kong]

Roy isn't too interesting either, if anything he's quite disliked by FE fans, and I actually think that besides Eliwood, he would be the worst FE character to be in. For GBA lords, Hector and Ephraim are both more unique and actually localized for example.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

KIND OF QUIET.

SO.

HORSETAIL.

How about some pairings talk. Did you see my response to your Falcon x Samus suggestion.

Lawl, readed it, and guess what? I found it heartwarming!
(-ivi-)
Falcon could bring light on Samus's life, actually! (Also, Brawl In The Family had few comics dedicated to them both too)

There's been few mentions about Medusa x Ganondorf.

Ghirahim should mess creepily with Luigi, btw...

Chrono: True that, not to mention, Palutena and Medusa are bit like Zelda and Ganondorf for Kid Icarus-series. I especially support Palutena. Next month's Kid Icarus-anime is still keeping me in my toes!

 

[Metal Overlord]

This isn't about Roy or anyone else, though. At this point, I'm only talking about Chrome.

 

[Oasis_S]

Do we really have to know much about Chrome before forming an opinion on him? Maybe not an EDUCATED opinion, but really, AND THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION, how has FE's track record been with likable lords? Would it not be safe to FORESEE that he will become decently popular? Decently requested? It's our first NEW FE story since Radiant Dawn, so surely IS has been cooking up something... decent.

I mean, I very much just want Ike and Roy back, but it's not like this Chrome guy can be so easily disregarded.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm talking about why Chrome and just about everyone is better than Roy actually.

Ike was also added in most likely before his game came out. Or at least, he was considered by them before WE played PoR. Chrome is actually to me the most likely character to appear along Little Mac and a Kid Icarud character

 

[Metal Overlord]

Oasis, we don't have to know that much, but at this point, it's hard to even get a feel for him. All I'm saying is that I think taking a "wait-and-see approach" would be best.

Keep in mind, I don't hate or dislike this Chrome guy, I'm neutral towards him. If he turns out to be an awesome FE lord and a popular candidate for Smash, more power to Intelligent Systems and Sora if they want him in.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Wait and see is difficult if everyone is shouting for Roy without knowing a thing at all about Fire Emblem...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Couldn't we just wait until Chrome's game comes out and then judge him...? Roy again, that's another question.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Roy isn't anything different at all.

If his situation where like Lucas's then it'd be different.

 

[Metal Overlord]

That's what I've been saying, Young Horsetail.

And Diddy, it doesn't matter if people don't know much about Fire Emblem, if they enjoyed playing as him in Melee, then of course more likely than not they're gonna support him returning. As a character who's popularity was mostly gained from his first ever appearance in Melee, I don't see how this wouldn't be the case.

This is coming from someone who wants Roy back but won't lose sleep if he doesn't, BTW.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Thats good your not losing sleep cause to me its as likely to happen as the world ending next year

 

[Oasis_S]

The world doesn't end until President Morgan Freeman does a public service announcement speech about it.

So Young Horsetail, how about a love triangle sort of thing with Chrome, Ike, and Roy.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Well, I'm glad you feel that way, Diddy.

SOOOO.... what's that about an anime for KI coming out soon? Is it coming to the States 'cause I may want to hit that up

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Metal: 6 Kid Icarus-anime shorts are done for Nintendo Video, showing next year's start (?)

Hey guys, just wondering, ya think Kid Icarus Uprising-anime shorts will give us few elements and hints on would Palutena and Medusa be able to battle, and how.

Also, according to the japanese official site of Kid Icarus Uprising, Pit gets to use some awesome vehicle!
I'd show you a link to a pic, but I'm using 3DS for posting...

Oasis: Ya hit it right there Oasis! Mostly fangirls will do it like a huge boy love-fantasy. XD

Isaac will be in those pairings too as the new swordsman. XD

 

[Metal Overlord]

Oh okay I'll try and watch it when I get the chance.

Pit using a... vehicle? I guess Uprising is a little more ambitious than I thought...

 

[Oasis_S]

Lol, Uprising sounds more and more like Star Fox: Assault each day.